S16.E02: Four Wives, Three Fires

[readheaded]

33 minutes ago, Libby said:

Christine and Gabe finally clearly see that Robyn is ruling the family and that Kody is either intentionally or unintentionally under her spell and completely believes and goes along with whatever she wants. Because at least two of them sees things as they actually are, we are finally getting an honest depiction of the family. I think that Gabe and Christine have given up on Kody, consequently they are telling the truth more than ever before. It's refreshing to hear them voice what we, the audience have known for a long time.

I'm waiting for Gabe to organize a "no-confidence vote" against Kody. 😁

[kassa]

I for one think Meri DGAF about any of it any more. I'm enjoying her snarky passive aggressive "I love this man so much I'll take his crumbs! Any crumbs! S'more crumbs from his actual wife!" There's a twinkle in her eye in every talking head. She's seemed dead inside for years so I'm enjoying it. I don't know how much of it is telegraphing how poorly he treats her while winking that she's so desperate for his attention, or snarking at those of us who think she should have left long ago rather than stick around hoping for breadcrumbs. Either way... I don't think she's honestly that into resolving things with Kody any more. Maybe a revenge fantasy of outlasting the other wives. Certainly staying on the train until the tv money ends. If she's building a parallel life at the B+B and planning for an independent future, good for her.

And after a nationally televised humiliation I don't think she owes us any deep confessions about her complicity in what happened. Everybody knows. Enough blood has been let. 

 

 

[Sasha888]

24 minutes ago, kassa said:

And after a nationally televised humiliation I don't think she owes us any deep confessions about her complicity in what happened. Everybody knows. Enough blood has been let. 

Meri's the one who brings the catfishing up on the show, as she did this week. 

I don't think anyone is saying we are owed a deep confession, but there's a big difference between that and flat out lying her ass off about it. It's also a two way street...viewers don't owe Meri anything, either. She put her life on tv and gets paid for it - she has opened herself up to comments.

As long as Meri continues to talk about this as though she was doing nothing more than innocently trying to talk her insurance agent, viewers are going to snark on her.

[Mahamid Frauded Me]

I agree @Sasha888 I am so sick of her playing innocent in all of the catfishing. Yes, she was catfished and it sucked, but she was a willing participant in it to begin with. We have heard the voicemails, seen the photos, even heard from family members that had warned her. I don't blame her for wanting to meet someone new or a friend, but she was clearly ready to leave the fambily for Sam.

[Cetacean]

25 minutes ago, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

I agree @Sasha888 I am so sick of her playing innocent in all of the catfishing.

And flat out lying about how she threw herself on the catfish sword skewer to save the family from the dreadful deadly dangerous threats against them by said fish.

[Chicken Fingers]

When I want to get my blood pumpin' I crank up ole Paco Bell.

[albarino]

11 hours ago, Rabbit Hutch said:

Except for Robyn, she's running her game as far as she can run.  Have to say I'm impressed.  How she managed to destroy this entire family and yet end up with a million dollar home and her name on most of the land deeds is amazing to me. 

Perfect!  Thank you!

[LilyD]

I'm three days behind you all before I get to see the episode and I just watched. And I have a whole lot of questions but it mainly comes to this:

Where does the idea of having to quarantine for 2 whole weeks come from? (We do 5 days if you are healthy and a negative test, but different rules apply to those infected of course) Is the hermit-type of life that Kody and Robyn lead  recommended/enforced in the US?  We do social distance here in Europe, we limit contact with other people but we also form bubbles which allows us for much needed normal social interaction and playtime for the kids. We can go to stores and places but wear masks, keep distance, use hand sanitisers etc. Big gatherings and parties are prohibited (they were allowed for a short time but it back-fired)

The rigid way Kody and Robyn force upon the others is ridiculous. They  lock themselves away, shut the whole world out and expect the others to do the same. But even then they  would demand social distancing and limited contact! (Meri not being allowed to take Ari on her lap despite her 2 weeks in sole confinement??) And a practical question; Kody is seriously opposed to the boys working. I'm sure lots of people would love to stay at home and not work but that doesn't pay the bills. If everyone stopped working because of the pandemic, the entire society would collapse (imagine a world without Amazon deliveries, the horror!! 

I don't know what work Gabe and Garrison do, but millions of people around the world still work away from home, simply because society needs them and/or their work can't be done from home. If you listen to Kody, he considers the boys a huge Covid risk. But is that fair and really the case? We don't know anything about what they do in their free time. They may have a small bubble for seeing 1 or 2 friends. That works for millions of people. Gabe has a girlfriend, but lots of people have found safe ways to make relationships work during the pandemic. 

My biggest frustration is Kody not even trying to make it work AGAIN. This is his normal modus operandi at the moment. He has 1 vision and everyone has to act accordingly. He isn't open to any suggestions at all. And he also thinks it's perfectly normal to only occasionally see his other kids and only from a distance. Well, let me tell you a secret Kody, it's not! Kids need their parents and they need the comfort of a hug too! Denying them this will eventually cause more damage than a Covid infection in them....

 

 

[Cetacean]

3 minutes ago, LilyD said:

Where does the idea of having to quarantine for 2 whole weeks come from?

Remember that this was filmed in the early days of Covid and before vaccines.  Rules were evolving on a daily basis and changed frequently.

[LilyD]

2 minutes ago, Cetacean said:

Remember that this was filmed in the early days of Covid and before vaccines.  Rules were evolving on a daily basis and changed frequently.

It looked like fall to me? In the fall of 2020 we had already been living with Covid for almost 10 months, done one big lockdown and were heading for a second. Also most countries were preparing to start up the vaccinating process. It wasn’t as if we were totally clueless. But yes, rules changed on a weekly basis.

I think Kody is scared like hell and completely under Robyn’s power.

[Desert Rat]

50 minutes ago, LilyD said:

I'm three days behind you all before I get to see the episode and I just watched. And I have a whole lot of questions but it mainly comes to this:

Where does the idea of having to quarantine for 2 whole weeks come from? (We do 5 days if you are healthy and a negative test, but different rules apply to those infected of course) Is the hermit-type of life that Kody and Robyn lead  recommended/enforced in the US?  We do social distance here in Europe, we limit contact with other people but we also form bubbles which allows us for much needed normal social interaction and playtime for the kids. We can go to stores and places but wear masks, keep distance, use hand sanitisers etc. Big gatherings and parties are prohibited (they were allowed for a short time but it back-fired)

The rigid way Kody and Robyn force upon the others is ridiculous. They  lock themselves away, shut the whole world out and expect the others to do the same. But even then they  would demand social distancing and limited contact! (Meri not being allowed to take Ari on her lap despite her 2 weeks in sole confinement??) And a practical question; Kody is seriously opposed to the boys working. I'm sure lots of people would love to stay at home and not work but that doesn't pay the bills. If everyone stopped working because of the pandemic, the entire society would collapse (imagine a world without Amazon deliveries, the horror!! 

I don't know what work Gabe and Garrison do, but millions of people around the world still work away from home, simply because society needs them and/or their work can't be done from home. If you listen to Kody, he considers the boys a huge Covid risk. But is that fair and really the case? We don't know anything about what they do in their free time. They may have a small bubble for seeing 1 or 2 friends. That works for millions of people. Gabe has a girlfriend, but lots of people have found safe ways to make relationships work during the pandemic. 

My biggest frustration is Kody not even trying to make it work AGAIN. This is his normal modus operandi at the moment. He has 1 vision and everyone has to act accordingly. He isn't open to any suggestions at all. And he also thinks it's perfectly normal to only occasionally see his other kids and only from a distance. Well, let me tell you a secret Kody, it's not! Kids need their parents and they need the comfort of a hug too! Denying them this will eventually cause more damage than a Covid infection in them....

 

 

All of these things were "protocols" Kody and Robin made up. None of these things existed in Flagstaff, Arizona. The governor did close restaurants, salons, gyms, etc. for a few weeks or months. By August everything was open. No mask requirements ever, but some businesses did recommend them. Social distancing was not really a thing after May 2020. There were quarantines in jails and similar places, but outside of institutions no quarantine required. Young people like Gabe keep the country running so people like Robin could hide from reality in her closet. Who do they think prepared their food deliveries? Gabe is absolutely right, Kody/Robin rules had nothing to do with COVID. Either they wanted an excuse to avoid the family or they have severe anxiety disorder.  

[waterytart]

22 hours ago, Sandy W said:

I think the nickname King Sol was directed at Kody.  When Sol was a toddler hew was carried around on Kody's shoulder as if was some kind of trophy.  By contrast, Kody was never seen paying any attention to Truely, just a little older than Sol. 

It does seem unfair now as he seems to have turned out to be a very nice boy.

 

Thanks, that makes sense. It's been so long I couldn't remember but I knew it wasn't a dig at Solomon.

[Soobs]

It seemed to me that Kody is using covid as an excuse to permanently distance from at least two wives. I may have given a couple of people the boot and used covid as an excuse however I'm not sealed in marriage to them, they're just annoying acquaintances who I didn't really click with anymore. Pretty heartless and even if Robyn is the puppet master (which is likely) I'm still looking at him as the responsible party for treating these women who he has many, many children with, so poorly.

They replayed perhaps my favorite scene from this entire show where Meri tells Christine during her breakdown to "look at the mountains" It was such a weird "keep sweet" moment that it seemed like a parody. Also, did anyone else get Carol from Walking Dead vibes at that moment when she told the little girl to "look at the flowers"?

[Sasha888]

13 minutes ago, Desert Rat said:

so people like Robin could hide from reality in her closet.

Or in her case, in her sisterwife's closet....

Ba-dum-bump. 😆

I'm here all week folks, don't forget to tip your server....

[waterytart]

1 minute ago, Soobs said:

They replayed perhaps my favorite scene from this entire show where Meri tells Christine during her breakdown to "look at the mountains" It was such a weird "keep sweet" moment that it seemed like a parody. Also, did anyone else get Carol from Walking Dead vibes at that moment when she told the little girl to "look at the flowers"?

Yes!! 

[Dobian]

14 hours ago, Cetacean said:

I, for one, would never be able to live with myself if I knew I had hurt or killed another human because "I just need to party". Gabe acted like a fool.  But acting like idiots is part of the Brown DNA.

He wasn't acting like a Brown at all, but like a lot of young people.  When you listen to him talk, he sounds nothing like a Brown.  The majority of college age kids sound like Gabe.  That's youth and it's not going to change.

[Desert Rat]

3 hours ago, Sasha888 said:

Or in her case, in her sisterwife's closet....

Ba-dum-bump. 😆

I'm here all week folks, don't forget to tip your server....

You got me. How could I forget the sisterwife's closet?

That reminds me. Flagstaff is very expensive. My son and his 3 roommates pay $3400/month for 1600 sq. ft. apartment in Flagstaff. It's crap, not luxury. How in the hell can they afford 4 homes, even the rentals, and large acreage?  They must have sources beyond the closet, various MLM schemes, printed legging sales,, the show, the B&B. But what? Inquiring minds want to know. 

Edited December 1, 2021 by Desert Rat

[Kellyee]

I finished watching the episode, and while I am no Robyn fan at all, I feel the need to point a few things out in regards to the whole "chasing kids" thing:

Robyn is in a different stage of life than the other women. She has a 4 year old. She can't sit her ass in a chair by the fire pit and just let the world wander by her because she has a 4 year old. It was her choice to continue having kids, but her complaint that this BBQ is not relaxing for her is valid. I have no kids, and my sister does, and our family vacations looked very different when my niece and nephew were little. 

Kody made no effort to help her with Ariella or Solomon, and I think Robyn knew that would happen in advance. Kody was off shoving S'mores in his mouth instead of helping parent. Which is nothing new, but adds to why Robyn didn't want to have fire pits around her little kids. 

I used to like Christine, but she was an asshole at the BBQ, never getting up at all when Truely wasn't social distancing. It is quite obvious that Christine thinks Covid is a joke, which makes me really angry. Of all of them, she is the one who was travelling the most and ignoring any danger. And I think she enjoyed sticking it to Robyn at the BBQ by not helping, when her anger should really be directed at Kody. Ignoring Covid as a way to get back at your husband is juvenile and proves that Christine is just like the rest of them, selfish and toxic. 

[LilyD]

7 hours ago, Dobian said:

He wasn't acting like a Brown at all, but like a lot of young people.  When you listen to him talk, he sounds nothing like a Brown.  The majority of college age kids sound like Gabe.  That's youth and it's not going to change.

8 hours ago, Desert Rat said:

Young people like Gabe keep the country running so people like Robin could hide from reality in her closet. Who do they think prepared their food deliveries?

I so agree with the two of you. And who has said that the Brown kids are all major party animals that break all the rules? I’ve yet to find proof for that. It’s just Kody’s words and I don’t believe a thing he says. 

The boys are having a girlfriend? So what? For all we know, their whole social life is just hanging out together with their girls. Lots of people have relationships and have had to find ways to make it work.They may not agree on the necessity of all the rules,  but that goes for many people, not just young people!
 

[lookeyloo]

9 hours ago, Desert Rat said:

All of these things were "protocols" Kody and Robin made up. None of these things existed in Flagstaff, Arizona. The governor did close restaurants, salons, gyms, etc. for a few weeks or months. By August everything was open. No mask requirements ever, but some businesses did recommend them. Social distancing was not really a thing after May 2020. There were quarantines in jails and similar places, but outside of institutions no quarantine required. Young people like Gabe keep the country running so people like Robin could hide from reality in her closet. Who do they think prepared their food deliveries? Gabe is absolutely right, Kody/Robin rules had nothing to do with COVID. Either they wanted an excuse to avoid the family or they have severe anxiety disorder.  

Did Kody and Robyn make them up or did the producers suggest them for more drama"  I just think their real lives were very different from what is shown on the "scripted reality" show.  Plus, did Kody really dig the fire pits his very own self or does the production crew have interns and gofers for just such projects.

[HelloOutThere]

10 hours ago, Soobs said:

They replayed perhaps my favorite scene from this entire show where Meri tells Christine during her breakdown to "look at the mountains" It was such a weird "keep sweet" moment that it seemed like a parody. Also, did anyone else get Carol from Walking Dead vibes at that moment when she told the little girl to "look at the flowers"?

“Look at the mountain!” is also my favorite scene from this entire series. It’s meme-worthy. 

[TurtlePower]

9 hours ago, Desert Rat said:

You got me. How could I forget the sisterwife's closet?

That reminds me. Flagstaff is very expensive. My son and his 3 roommates pay $3400/month for 1600 sq. ft. apartment in Flagstaff. It's crap, not luxury. How in the hell can they afford 4 homes, even the rentals, and large acreage?  They must have sources beyond the closet, various MLM schemes, printed legging sales,, the show, the B&B. But what? Inquiring minds want to know. 

Yeah, it is ridiculous. I went to NAU and that was 11 years ago—it was $1200 a month for a 800 sqft apartment. Can’t imagine what it is now. 

As much as i loved the area (especially TREES in Arizona and snow and not 120 degrees), I kinda thought, “wow this place is a little full of itself.” 

 

 

[Kellyee]

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Young people like Gabe keep the country running so people like Robin could hide from reality in her closet.

Gabe is a student. He's not keeping shit running any more than his father is. Some of the other boys were working in the military. Gabe was going to class and hanging out with his girlfriend. He seemed to be getting a lot of his Covid attitude from Janelle and Christine. And Janelle was pretty much lying about following CDC guidelines if she was really hanging out with Christine inside with no mask after Christine traveled. 

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Plus, did Kody really dig the fire pits his very own self or does the production crew have interns and gofers for just such projects.

Hunter and Gabe were helping to dig the fire pits. I think some of the other kids were helping too.

 

 

[notnowimbusy]

Like so many teenagers during 2020, Gabe thinks he's invincible.   I watched our neighbor struggling to allow her kids to have some social interaction, while keeping them separate.  Lots of distanced chairs in the driveway, music, kids brought their own food/drinks.    Schools finally opened, and within one week, kids were getting together for parties, and breakouts occurred so it was back to on-line. 

I guess Kody's weights are at Janelle's house, so she must see him often if he's working out.   So, why couldn't Kody make arrangements to see Gabe during his gym time?  It was in an open garage, and Gabe could have pulled up a chair in the driveway. 

People were/are so different in how they manage Covid restrictions.  Some went into complete lockdown, others formed extended bubbles, and others were willing to risk travel, etc.    I'd be curious to know how many, if any, of the extended Brown family got the vaccine.

[Texasmom1970]

Every time I watch this crap not only do I question the Brown clans sanity. I question mine for sitting through it.

[islandgal140]

Why couldn't Robyn's older kids help keep an eye on the younger ones? They live in the same household, 1 is 15-16, the other 2, 18 and older. 

Robyn does seem to infantilize her kids. 

[winsomeone]

I wonder if Robyn's two ever get to see anyone outside of their family? The boy really doesn't seem to act his age at all, and that is her fault. She stifles all of her kids period. 

[LilyD]

56 minutes ago, islandgal140 said:

Why couldn't Robyn's older kids help keep an eye on the younger ones? They live in the same household, 1 is 15-16, the other 2, 18 and older. 

Robyn does seem to infantilize her kids. 

Or maybe they’re just tired of constantly babysitting their younger siblings? On the other hand; it’s not like A,B,D were busy socialising at that get together. Christine’s and Janelle’s kids were chatting and having a good time.  Those 3 were just staring at their phones or looking grumpy..

[laurakaye]

3 hours ago, Kellyee said:

I used to like Christine, but she was an asshole at the BBQ, never getting up at all when Truely wasn't social distancing. 

It does seem as though Christine took Covid far less seriously than Robyn and Kody, but even Janelle was like "whatever" when it came to Kody's strictness.  I kind of took the above scenario as a huge step forward from Christine, however.  The fact that Queen Robyn was displeased and Christine didn't immediately jump up and simper her apologies to Kody and Robyn and then run after Truely and tackle her away from Sol and Ari was, IMO, impressive.  It used to be that one withering look from Robyn to Christine would have Christine running to her house and embroidering some kind of "Keep Sweet" decoration to present to Robyn as an apology for existing.

I think at the heart of this whole Covid situation is that Kody and Robyn are trying to set and enforce the rules on everyone in the family, and the others are pushing back not just because they think the rules are too severe, but because Kody is nothing but a figurehead at this point, so why should they listen to him?  And they're not wrong.

[deirdra]

29 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

It does seem as though Christine took Covid far less seriously than Robyn and Kody, but even Janelle was like "whatever" when it came to Kody's strictness. 

I suspect part of their exasperation came from waiting at home following his rules perfectly for weeks on end at the beginning so that Kootie could visit but he didn't, even though they all had big driveways, patios and the Prairie Plague property with ample room for them to space out their lawn chairs and get together masked and socially distanced, but Koty wouldn't even do that unless it was required for the show.  During those first 5 months I followed all rules carefully since I am a senior, but did speak to my neighbours outside (>2 metres apart) occasionally when mowing the lawn or taking out the garbage or going for a walk.  

Edited December 1, 2021 by deirdra

[magemaud]

Every time I see the last season recap where Meri tells Christine to “Look at the mountains,” all I can think of is Carol on “The Walking Dead,” saying, “Look at the  flowers, Lizzie...” 

[magemaud]

4 hours ago, HelloOutThere said:

14 hours ago, Soobs said:

They replayed perhaps my favorite scene from this entire show where Meri tells Christine during her breakdown to "look at the mountains" It was such a weird "keep sweet" moment that it seemed like a parody. Also, did anyone else get Carol from Walking Dead vibes at that moment when she told the little girl to "look at the flowers"?

“Look at the mountain!” is also my favorite scene from this entire series. It’s meme-worthy. 

Oh my, I hadn't read all the comments when I posted something similar! I had my fingers crossed that Meri was going to pull out a gun and shoot Christine in the back of the head while she was distracted by the mountains. 

[Tabbygirl521]

On 11/30/2021 at 7:36 PM, waterytart said:

Thanks, that makes sense. It's been so long I couldn't remember but I knew it wasn't a dig at Solomon.

Now if we could just stop mocking his sisters’ names, especially the little one. I’ve seen variations that make me cringe. 

Edited December 2, 2021 by Tabbygirl521

[Jeanne222]

Re Covid perhaps Kristine traveled, her choice, then came home and self quarantined for 10 days.  Then Janelle would be safe. 

A lot of my friends did that. Lived their lives with no fear then came home and social distance for a time so those that chose to quarantine weren’t exposed.

Covid was really tough on each generation. Still is with the new variant!

I don’t see why the Browns could not do that too. Party’s on the 15th. If you want to attend then quarantine yourself for 10 days!

[SemiCharmedLife]

I lost track of how many times Robyn referred to "Kody's guidelines" when referring to their Covid protocols.  I'm from a state with a dense population and we are still masking up, so I completely understand doing what we can to prevent the spread of this disease.  My issue is with Robyn.  She is large and in charge, but wants her image to be sweet, meek wife who loves all the sister wives and is going along with Kody's rules to keep everyone healthy.  Too bad the secret was out when Kody asked his boss if Sol and Ari would be able to attend the going away party.  It's Robyn who is behind the super strict protocols (with Kody as the super spreader- tell me how that makes sense!).  

I think the big issue with Robyn not wanting to run after the young'uns at the BBQ is that she doesn't want to be perceived as the nagging mom.  She knew she would be the most worried about the kids interacting too closely and she would have to get after them.  

It's a repeat of last year's imaginary conflict that Robyn wanted to RENT a house as opposed to buying one...guess who ends up owning a million dollar mansion?   With Robyn, it's all about her image.  

On the last episode, she even told Kody that she didn't want to move back to Utah, but he needs to tell Christine that it was what HE wants, and not mention Robyn.  Snake!

[Sasha888]

4 hours ago, notnowimbusy said:

I guess Kody's weights are at Janelle's house, so she must see him often if he's working out.   So, why couldn't Kody make arrangements to see Gabe during his gym time?  It was in an open garage, and Gabe could have pulled up a chair in the driveway. 

Great suggestion, and this is just one of the many I've seen here on this board. I've thought of quite a few things they could have done myself.

Despite each suggestion we can come up with fairly easily, the Browns can come up with nothing. Zero. And will probably continue to do so.

There were tons of people in this family who did not want to get together, pre-Covid, and don't want to now. It's sad for the kids who do want to get together, but the adults just don't want to. 

These chuckleheads could have come to a consensus by COMPROMISING and never missed spending time together. Last season they tried to have a Zoom meeting when the pandemic first started and not only could they not come to any sort of agreement on some Covid rules, they couldn't even stop talking over each other. Kody was trying to get them to take turns speaking, and he couldn't. They can't even show each other the basic respect of listening when someone is speaking. That is the fault of every single adult in this "family".

Perhaps Gabe said it best, in a statement he made in this episode, that I think some people did not even hear him make...he said "I think this is all stupid. Not Covid precautions, but the fact that we're not doing them together as a family."

I agree, Gabe - but not only could your family not come to an agreement, they couldn't even have the discussion, because no one would shut up long enough to listen to anyone else's point of view.

[Tabbygirl521]

They were all griping about no one making an effort to get together as a family, even before Covid, so it follows that they aren’t likely to make a huge effort to observe enough restrictions for completely safe gatherings. No one really wants to bother.

Regardless, I do think Gabe is a jackass for not self-isolating after socializing outside the family, even though he seems to be correct about Kody not giving a rat’s ass about seeing most of his kids. 

[Pickleinthemiddle]

5 minutes ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

They were all griping about no one making an effort to get together as a family, even before Covid, so it follows that they aren’t likely to make a huge effort to observe enough restrictions for completely safe gatherings. No one really wants to bother.

Regardless, I do think Gabe is a jackass for not self-isolating after socializing outside the family, even though he seems to be correct about Kody not giving a rat’s ass about seeing most of his kids. 

Which is why Janelle said for Kody not to come around.  It's almost impossible to self isolate sharing common areas in the same house as others.  Without wearing a mask every time you leave your room.  That would have to be everyone, just to be on the safe side.  

I have grown so used to wearing a mask, I feel like I have forgot something if it's not on my face.  

[LuvMyShows]

6 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

Robyn does seem to infantilize her kids. 

On 11/29/2021 at 3:53 PM, xwordfanatik said:

Why didn't the chucklefuck just tell the damned truth and admit that he just couldn't BEAR to be away from Robyn and her kids?

At one point in Kody's discussion with Robyn, regarding him possibly quarantining, she said something, regarding Sol and Ariella, like, "The kids couldn't be away from you for two weeks."  Really, Robyn?  I think it's more that she wouldn't want to have to go two weeks by herself dealing with the kids.  If not, then what the hell kind of a sick dependence is she encouraging for her kids that they would literally be unable to handle being away from their father for two weeks?  

[Granny58]

18 hours ago, LilyD said:

It looked like fall to me? In the fall of 2020 we had already been living with Covid for almost 10 months, done one big lockdown and were heading for a second. Also most countries were preparing to start up the vaccinating process. It wasn’t as if we were totally clueless. But yes, rules changed on a weekly basis.

I think Kody is scared like hell and completely under Robyn’s power.

I think Kody likes being relieved of the guilt of having to visit his family and prefers to stay with Robyn.

[Desert Rat]

2 hours ago, Pickleinthemiddle said:

 

I have grown so used to wearing a mask, I feel like I have forgot something if it's not on my face.  

Really? Wow!  In the last 6 months I have only worn a mask about 10 to 15 times and that includes time vacationing on the beach in California where things are supposedly more strict than Arizona. Last month when we were in Flagstaff no one was wearing a mask, except waiters at one restaurant. 

Edited December 1, 2021 by Desert Rat
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[crazycatlady58]

16 minutes ago, Desert Rat said:

Really? Wow!  In the last 6 months I have only worn a mask about 10 to 15 times and that includes time vacating on the beach in California where things are supposedly more strict than Arizona. Last month when we were in Flagstaff no one was wearing a mask, except waiters at one restaurant. 

I wear a mask whenever I am inside a building with other people. It makes me feel secure.  I don't like it is tge summer with our heat and humidity bit emotionally I well better with one on.

[LilyD]

1 hour ago, LuvMyShows said:

At one point in Kody's discussion with Robyn, regarding him possibly quarantining, she said something, regarding Sol and Ariella, like, "The kids couldn't be away from you for two weeks."  Really, Robyn?  I think it's more that she wouldn't want to have to go two weeks by herself dealing with the kids.  If not, then what the hell kind of a sick dependence is she encouraging for her kids that they would literally be unable to handle being away from their father for two weeks? 

Yeah, I noticed that too. And all I could think of was “Jeez princess, you wanted a plural marriage and chose a guy that had 3 wives already! In ‘normal’ polygamous circumstances, Ari and Sol would have been lucky to see dad twice a week…so please don’t give us this crap now!

[SongbirdHollow]

2 hours ago, Granny58 said:

I think Kody likes being relieved of the guilt of having to visit his family and prefers to stay with Robyn.

He wants the sex, he’s gotta follow her rules. None of the other wives have that bargaining chip. 

[sandals]

That’s it!!!

[monagatuna]

3 hours ago, Desert Rat said:

Really? Wow!  In the last 6 months I have only worn a mask about 10 to 15 times and that includes time vacationing on the beach in California where things are supposedly more strict than Arizona. Last month when we were in Flagstaff no one was wearing a mask, except waiters at one restaurant. 

CA here, and in the two weeks my county lifted indoor mask restrictions, I promptly caught COVID and only now, five months later, am I feeling back to normal. Now I wear a mask indoors everywhere unless it's a party where I know everyone is vaccinated and not exhibiting symptoms (or better, recently tested negative). 

Meanwhile, my mom (from WV) came to visit and I had to remind her every time we went in a shop to put her mask on. It's different everywhere you go--and I assume Flagstaff is relatively lax. 

I just hope this entire season isn't spent on rehashing ancient, outdated COVID guidelines. We've all had quite enough. Let's get to the good stuff--Christine's flight for freedom!

[Dobian]

3 hours ago, Granny58 said:

I think Kody likes being relieved of the guilt of having to visit his family and prefers to stay with Robyn.

The reality is that Robyn is his wife and he has a family with her.  He also has three ex-wives with kids that he visits when he has time or interest.  That is the true dynamic of his relationship with these women.  When he divorced Meri so he could marry Robyn legally, it was symbolic as well as a practical matter.  This isn't polygamy.  There is no compound with all the wives and kids there.  This isn't Big Love.  It's a married guy with three ex-wives.

[65mickey]

20 hours ago, Desert Rat said:

You got me. How could I forget the sisterwife's closet?

That reminds me. Flagstaff is very expensive. My son and his 3 roommates pay $3400/month for 1600 sq. ft. apartment in Flagstaff. It's crap, not luxury. How in the hell can they afford 4 homes, even the rentals, and large acreage?  They must have sources beyond the closet, various MLM schemes, printed legging sales,, the show, the B&B. But what? Inquiring minds want to know. 

Did Christine, Jannel or Mary not question or research the cost of living in Flagstaff when Robyn and Kody were pushing this move? The only way that I can see how they can afford to live in Flagstaff is if TLC is paying the rent and/or the mortgages on the homes for them aspart of their compensation. 

[Cetacean]

5 hours ago, Pickleinthemiddle said:

I have grown so used to wearing a mask, I feel like I have forgot something if it's not on my face. 

Yep, second nature to me as well.  Michigan has been the worst in the nation for new cases for weeks.  And now Omicron has been identied in the US.  It's a self perpetuating situation when people are lax, catch it, and pass it on.  Even the vaccinated are at risk to both catch it and spread it.  Why take the chance of hurting yourself or someone else?  It's just a piece of cloth but it has profound powers!

53 minutes ago, monagatuna said:

We've all had quite enough. Let's get to the good stuff--Christine's flight for freedom!

I predict that will happen in the last five minutes of the last episode thus setting up another season.  And, of course, that's already old news so hardly a chance of anyone gasping in wonder.

[Grifter Lives]

2 hours ago, 65mickey said:

Did Christine, Jannel or Mary not question or research the cost of living in Flagstaff when Robyn and Kody were pushing this move? 

Kody's stated justification was that it made financial sense.  He assumed that they'd live in one big house and would reap enormous profits on the sale of their Las Vegas homes.  However, he coerced the wives with his, "Where We Go One, We Go All," Robyn's whining that her children needed to be removed from the exposure to bad elements in Las Vegas, and their permanent exile from Utah.  Their discussion emphasized the need to escape Las Vegas and how they would be accepted in Arizona, which Kody described as conservative and liberal.