S16.E02: Four Wives, Three Fires

[Granny58]

1 hour ago, Joan of Argh said:

it’s one thing to sneak around online… sexting, sending embarrassing sexy voice mails, sending pics and personal information to a stranger but it’s a whole other level of stupidity to involve your teenage daughter by dragging her along on a date to meet the stranger at Disneyland

I never said it wasn't stupid!  LOL. 🤪

28 minutes ago, Madding crowd said:

I don’t have a problem with Meri, she has already apologized to Kody and Mariah, she doesn’t need to walk around with a scarlet letter on her chest for the rest of her life. She did a stupid thing and got catfished which happens to lonely people every day unfortunately. Kody had abandoned her in favor of Robyn and she thought someone was showing her attention. She didn’t murder anyone and as far as I’m concerned she doesn’t need punishment, she needs a husband who actually loves her.

Amen!

[WhatAmIWatching]

Dying at Janelle's last comment: "when we don't get together often we lose sight of the whole" and the camera pans to this "hole" 🤣 😂 

Ok another screenie, but on this land division, plan, why is Robyn's initial on every single property?

 

Edited November 29, 2021 by WhatAmIWatching

[deirdra]

Was it Gabe or Hunter who said Kody used to be all about "Freedom"?  I don't agree with their lax attitude about Covid rules, but they are correct that Kody, who was a gun dealer and Trumper, is acting out of character and Robyn is clearly in control.

When Kootie was pretending to work out to Pachelbel's Canon in Janelle's garage, it sounded like that was the first time she had seen him in 4-5 months. And Robyn freaking out that she didn't want a repeat of Sol & Areolablahblahblah's reaction to not being able to play with Truely at that birthday "party" in the front yard during birthday month (April 2020) also made it seem that there had been no visitations for 3-4 months.  Did Robyn keep her kids locked in the mansion for their 2020-2021 school year as well?

[GeeGolly]

13 minutes ago, Sasha888 said:

I think you guys are all missing the point Robyn was trying to make about watching kids at the barbeque.

I think her point was that one of those 3 kids was Truely, and Christine was not helping at all. 

I'm not saying I agree with Robyn's point, but I do think it was designed to throw Christine under the bus, not that she just wanted to complain about watching her own kids. 

Robyn is always working her game, and it would do her no good to complain about watching her own kids, that would only make her look bad. Robyn wants to look good and make someone else look bad - so I think the point was "Look how Christine doesn't care a hoot about social distancing and doesn't watch Truely at all."

As a bonus, she gets to show Kody how "good" she was, how hard she tried, but what a mess it turned out to be and how they probably should never all get together again.

The Dark Queen does nothing without a reason.

Unfortunately this time it didn't work for Robyn. Truly was trying to play with Sol and Ari from a distance while they weren't. So this time Robyn just looked like a whiny mom.

I do see her using it as an excuse with Kody not to get together again.

[WhatAmIWatching]

Didn't I read somewhere in this forum that they bought/leased a warehouse or something for doing their TH's? If yes, then why the heck didn't they have their family Thanksgiving/Christmas there? It should be large enough for them to spread out to keep somewhat distanced. 
 

I was laughing at them yelling at the kids to stay distanced when none of them were. If they wore masks, being outdoors and spreading anything would be even less of a factor. Why no masks? I would wear one even if I were filming.

[deirdra]

15 minutes ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

Dying at Janelle's last comment: "when we don't get together often we lose sight of the whole" and the camera pans to this "hole" 🤣 😂 

Ok another screenie, but on this land division, plan, why is Robyn's initial on every single property?

 

Good screen capture. It confirms what I thought about last week's map - it was not just a subdivision of one lot, it would require a complete change in all of the internal property lines. Not a simple or cheap change as it affects mortgage payments & property taxes.

Edited November 29, 2021 by deirdra

[Absolom]

8 minutes ago, deirdra said:

Good screen capture. It confirms what I thought about last week's map - it was not just a subdivision of one lot, it would require a complete change in all of the internal property lines. Not a simple or cheap change as it affects mortgage payments & property taxes.

That's probably another sign this is simply episode fodder for TLC and that nothing will ever come out of it.  We're a year later and they still haven't done anything with the property except have Janelle live there for a few months in the RV, right?  

[Kellyee]

Quote

This. Meri talks a big game about being independent and strong, but she isn’t strong enough to go, even though she’s not wanted. 

Everyone keeps talking about them "going" somewhere. Kody doesn't even live with Meri. We're talking about blocking his cell phone number and possibly changing the password on her online banking account. That's about as much of a relationship as Meri and Kody have. It would be harder for me to separate from my cat. The only connection Meri has to Kody now other than Mariah is completely emotional on Meri's side. 

 

 

 

 

[Sandy W]

34 minutes ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

Didn't I read somewhere in this forum that they bought/leased a warehouse or something for doing their TH's? If yes, then why the heck didn't they have their family Thanksgiving/Christmas there? It should be large enough for them to spread out to keep somewhat distanced. 
 

I was laughing at them yelling at the kids to stay distanced when none of them were. If they wore masks, being outdoors and spreading anything would be even less of a factor. Why no masks? I would wear one even if I were filming.

I have a feeling that it's more like a 10 x 12 unit in a storage facility, with draped walls, good lighting, and a few pieces of furniture to give the appearance of a room.  Given the Brown's delusions of grandiosity, a storage locker would become a warehouse.

[Chris Knight]

I love Gabe. I think he's 100% right on everything that he said and it has to be torture to see his Mom and Christine and their children treated so horribly by the asshole and Robyn.

For those who think Gabe was wrong on his reaction to Covid, of course that is your right but do we really know when all this was filmed  ? The bonfire bbq probably was Aug 2020 but his comments to Janelle could have been much later. Or earlier, I guess.

Kody cant risk King Sol's health but he doesn't care at all about Truly who herself was very ill as a small child. And sorry Ysabel, you're on your own to deal with considerable pain, surgery, recovery, etc. Let me know how it turns out. If I were Ysabel, I would completely disown him and never look vack.

I feel bad for Meri. As someone else said, she didn't murder anyone. She is just incredibly lonely but now she has crossed over to pathetic and it is so hard to watch.

I hate Robyn so much.

[islandgal140]

On 11/29/2021 at 12:38 AM, Pegasaurus said:

Yet Kody thinks it's a fine idea that he visits each of the wives homes on a rotating basis? Isn't that kind of like being the Brown family super spreader?

 

Kody is essentially that little monkey from Outbreak. 

Oh Robyn, Robyn Robyn. She is good at laying down the law, but letting Kody believe he is the House, Senate and President with overriding veto power all in one. He has yet to realize and perhaps never will, that the Brown family is living under Queen Robyn. It ain't a republic. Gabe gets it though! Christine is a few years too late, but thank goodness she finally got it. I like to think that Kody's attitude with regards to Ysabel's back surgery was the final straw. There is no doubt in my mind if that had been one of Robyn's kids, 6 weeks would not have been too long to be away from the rest of the family to accompany them to NJ. 

Robyn is really showing her ass this season though. First, last week with the don't tell Christine, I said no, just say no. And now this week, Kody being shown asking permission for their 2 anointed progeny to attend the Prairie Dog Plague BBQ - now with xtra plague. 

On 11/29/2021 at 12:56 AM, Adeejay said:

I believe Robyn “makes” Kody be nice to Meri because she feels guilty. Had it not been for Meri, Robyn would probably still be a single mother living in a double wide without heat and hot water. But thanks to Meri’s selflessness, she is legally wed and living in a mansion.

Respectfully, I don't think Robyn is capable of feeling guilt. That was just a smug flex (showing she has Kody by the short and curlies, as if there is any doubt) and something she felt comfortable doing knowing good and damn well that Kody barely tolerates Meri and is likely repulsed by her sexually. Plus, it cements an ally who isn't a threat and Meri is a cash cow with her MLM hustle. Robyn is a poor man's Littlefinger and let's face it the people she is 'manipulating' are more Chutes and Ladders than chess so it ain't exactly hard. 

Why is Robyn's neck as wide as her face?!? She should seriously get that looked at.

I actually don't blame the wives for not wanting to pack up and move back to Utah. Yes it would have made infinitely more sense to move from LV to Utah instead of expensive ass Flagstaff, but they are there now and the kids seem to like it, especially Gabe who we all know was the most resistant to moving. However, I do think that sooner or later, the financial noose is gonna tighten around their necks and something will have to give. How long can they continue to pay the mortgage and tax on a property they aren't living on + Sobyn's mansion? 

Edited November 30, 2021 by islandgal140

[CSunshine76]

Kody’s Covid protocols make zero sense. He goes from house to house, but those within the houses cannot get together? WTH? If he is exposed, he’s exposing the entire famiy…so they may as well all get together.  Seems to me this was a great excuse for Queen Robyn to keep Kody all to herself and her kids.  Janelle’s boys know. I love that they are so outspoken about the situation. 
 

This “family” is doomed.  Janelle and Meri need to go off to wherever they want to be and live their lives, like Christine is doing. They have zero self esteem sitting around hoping Kody will give them 5 minutes attention.  Let Robyn have the loser!

[WhatAmIWatching]

29 minutes ago, Sandy W said:

I have a feeling that it's more like a 10 x 12 unit in a storage facility, with draped walls, good lighting, and a few pieces of furniture to give the appearance of a room.  Given the Brown's delusions of grandiosity, a storage locker would become a warehouse.

You're right, you're so right. I keep forgetting that logic, common sense and the truth aren't in the Browns' wheelhouse!

8 minutes ago, islandgal140 said:

Kody is essentially that little monkey from Outbreak. 

Oh Robyn, Robyn Robyn. She is good at laying down the law, but letting Kody believe he is the House, Senate and President with overriding veto power all in one. He has yet to realize and perhaps never will, that the Brown family is living under Queen Robyn. It ain't a republic. Gabe gets it though! Christine is a few years too late, but thank goodness she finally got it. I like to think that Kody's attitude with regards to Ysabel's back surgery was the final straw. There is no doubt in my mind if that had been one of Robyn's kids, 6 weeks would not have been too long to be away from the rest of the family to accompany them to NJ. 

Robyn is really showing her ass this season though. First, last week with the don't tell Christine, I said no, just say no. And now this week, Kody being shown asking permission for their 2 anointed progeny to attend the Prairie Dog Plague BBQ - now with xtra plague. 

Respectfully, I don't think Robyn is capable of feeling guilt. That was just a smug flex (showing she has Kody by the short and curlies, as if there is any doubt) and something she felt comfortable doing knowing good and damn well that Kody barely tolerates Meri and is likely repulsed by her sexually. Plus, it cements an ally who isn't a threat and Meri is a cash cow with her MLM hustle. Robyn is a poor man's Littlefinger and let's face it the people she is 'manipulating' are more Shoots and Ladders than chess so it ain't exactly hard. 

Why is Robyn's neck as wide as her face?!? She should seriously get that looked at.

I actually don't blame the wives for not wanting to pack up and move back to Utah. Yes it would have made infinitely more sense to move to from LV to Utah instead of expensive ass Flagstaff, but they are there now and the kids seem to like it, especially Gabe who we all know was the most resistant to moving. However, I do think that sooner or later, the financial noose is gonna tighten around their necks and something will have to give. How long can they continue to pay the mortgage and tax on a property they aren't living on + Sobyn's mansion? 

Except the monkey had better hair! 

Robyn's growing her goiter to take focus off that chin. Chutes and ladders had me cackling!

Kody soooo wants to move, but he won't just say that and upset the Queen. Midlife crisis indeed. I'm glad Meri called that out in her TH's (without the Robyn part). Now that Gabe has a girlfriend and is settled again, let's really devastate that poor kid and uproot him anew. Do we have a pool yet for when they'll move the next time?

Meri seems less hangdog and desperate than she has in previous seasons, her sexual harassing comments regarding Kody aside. She's actually saying those things with a laugh or a tone that seems more sarcastic than serious.

I think this 'family' doesn't see each other except during filming.

[xwordfanatik]

12 hours ago, Joan of Argh said:

Kody didn’t want to travel with Ysabel because he doesn’t give a crap about her or her mother.

if that was AerolaEbola needing surgery or even AROARa or Brianna he’d move heaven and earth to be there for them because they’re Queenie Robyns girls….

All he felt about Ysabel’s surgery was annoyed that he had to even talk about it!

He’s such a shallow jerk.

Still laughing at AerolaEbola!  AROARa, that's perfect for Robyn Jr. the drama queen.

 

11 hours ago, PlygPigs said:

I felt so bad for Ysabel when she was crying because she realized her dad didn't care enough to be there for her. All because he wasn't willing to be away from Robyn for a few weeks :(

I hate that jackass more all the time, and his refusal to quarantine to be there for Ysabel, when she was having major surgery, was icing on the cake.  Why didn't the chucklefuck just tell the damned truth and admit that he just couldn't BEAR to be away from Robyn and her kids?

Disgusting.

 

[Adiba]

1 hour ago, islandgal140 said:

Kody is essentially that little monkey from Outbreak. 

Oh Robyn, Robyn Robyn. She is good at laying down the law, but letting Kody believe he is the House, Senate and President with overriding veto power all in one. He has yet to realize and perhaps never will, that the Brown family is living under Queen Robyn. It ain't a republic. Gabe gets it though! Christine is a few years too late, but thank goodness she finally got it. I like to think that Kody's attitude with regards to Ysabel's back surgery was the final straw. There is no doubt in my mind if that had been one of Robyn's kids, 6 weeks would not have been too long to be away from the rest of the family to accompany them to NJ. 

Robyn is really showing her ass this season though. First, last week with the don't tell Christine, I said no, just say no. And now this week, Kody being shown asking permission for their 2 anointed progeny to attend the Prairie Dog Plague BBQ - now with xtra plague. 

Respectfully, I don't think Robyn is capable of feeling guilt. That was just a smug flex (showing she has Kody by the short and curlies, as if there is any doubt) and something she felt comfortable doing knowing good and damn well that Kody barely tolerates Meri and is likely repulsed by her sexually. Plus, it cements an ally who isn't a threat and Meri is a cash cow with her MLM hustle. Robyn is a poor man's Littlefinger and let's face it the people she is 'manipulating' are more Chutes and Ladders than chess so it ain't exactly hard. 

Why is Robyn's neck as wide as her face?!? She should seriously get that looked at.

I actually don't blame the wives for not wanting to pack up and move back to Utah. Yes it would have made infinitely more sense to move to from LV to Utah instead of expensive ass Flagstaff, but they are there now and the kids seem to like it, especially Gabe who we all know was the most resistant to moving. However, I do think that sooner or later, the financial noose is gonna tighten around their necks and something will have to give. How long can they continue to pay the mortgage and tax on a property they aren't living on + Sobyn's mansion? 

Great post-- "poor man's Littlefinger" --nailed it. While the pandemic is a real and present danger, Robyn definitely weaponized it and Kody uses it as a convenient excuse to not do anything he does want to.

As for moving, I have a feeling it will be a moot point (except for Robyn et al). Gabe is of the age where he doesn't have to move, anyway. Janelle's youngest is 16? Only two more years and she may be off to college. Christine and Truely already have flown the coop. Meri is a non-factor and has her Utah property now. 

[deirdra]

Savanah turns 17 on December 7th 

Edited November 29, 2021 by deirdra

[Dobian]

I know that it was summer 2020 but it was still excruciating to watch them all jump through Covid hoops for an outdoor gathering at Kody and Robyn's insistence.  If you're that afraid, just Zoom your family gatherings.  I think Kody secretly loves the pandemic, it has played into his controlling nature.

[LilyD]

15 hours ago, Adeejay said:

I believe Robyn “makes” Kody be nice to Meri because she feels guilty. Had it not been for Meri, Robyn would probably still be a single mother living in a double wide without heat and hot water. But thanks to Meri’s selflessness, she is legally wed and living in a mansion.

 

Probably the only time Meri really showed something like self-sacrifice and selflessness and look how that back-fired! Nope, she’s not gonna make that ‘mistake’ ever again! She really is beyond hope…

[TurtlePower]

5 hours ago, Madding crowd said:

I don’t have a problem with Meri, she has already apologized to Kody and Mariah, she doesn’t need to walk around with a scarlet letter on her chest for the rest of her life. She did a stupid thing and got catfished which happens to lonely people every day unfortunately. Kody had abandoned her in favor of Robyn and she thought someone was showing her attention. She didn’t murder anyone and as far as I’m concerned she doesn’t need punishment, she needs a husband who actually loves her.

The constant moving talk is just boring at this point as is Robyn’s hand wringing that she might have to watch her own kids for once. Not sure I can picture Janelle as being a heavy metal or rapper fan, my guess is that Robyn thinks anything not Christian rock is shocking . I would love to see Janelle made up with her ripped tee shirt though!

She should move on then because Kody doesn’t. She can’t make him love her and he never will. 

[Mahamid Frauded Me]

2 hours ago, LilyD said:

Probably the only time Meri really showed something like self-sacrifice and selflessness and look how that back-fired! Nope, she’s not gonna make that ‘mistake’ ever again! She really is beyond hope…

Don't forget, she did sacrifice her own fire pit, what a blow that must have been

[xwordfanatik]

17 minutes ago, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

Don't forget, she did sacrifice her own fire pit, what a blow that must have been

Hellbound here.  Kootie got another version of blow later on for following script and doing what Robyn dictates.

I'll see myself out.  

[endure]

This was so boring and most of us are sick of Covid and hearing about how to manage it ages ago.  I sure don’t feel like hearing Kody drone on for an hour about his management skills and his challenges and this is not the first time we have heard it here.  How many scenes were there of Robin complaining about complaining, I honestly lost count….the more animated she got the more I wanted to scream STFU! Personally I think Kody and Robin are probably  loving the isolation and confinements Covid has brought them and enables them to spend almost all their time exclusively together.  

[65mickey]

If Aurora or Brianna needed surgery Kody would have picked them up and carried them all the way to NY if need be. But his own daughter, Ysabel nope let her get there on her own. He wasn't going to go with his daughter. He even told Chrisine let her by herself. Yeah Kody you moron like a hospital is going  to let a minor sign herself in for surgery. Nothing Meri did can equal the evilness of Kody and Robyn in respect to how Kody treated Ysabel.

[Teafortwo]

6 hours ago, deirdra said:

Sol & Areolablahblahblah'

Lol I read this as Areolalabia blah blah blah! 

[albarino]

Isn't Janelle morbidly obese?  Yeah, she is completely at risk for dying of COVID complications.  All of the others?  Not so much.  

I guess Kody likes them chubby; if he cares about Janelle, he shop;d not visit her.

[Joan of Argh]

2 hours ago, TurtlePower said:

She should move on then because Kody doesn’t. She can’t make him love her and he never will. 

Meri is her own worst enemy, if she’d own up to her participation in the catfish she’d gain a lot of sympathy plus it might open her eyes to just how lousy, useless and soul devouring it is for her own mental health to hang around waiting for Kody to love her, it’s never going to happen!

He’s made it crystal clear that he has ZERO interest in a romantic relationship with her and is content with just being platonic friends, nothing more!

It’s an unhealthy relationship and Meri is wasting precious time scrounging around on the floor gobbling scraps that fall from Robyns table.

 

[Peacock]

4 hours ago, xwordfanatik said:

Still laughing at AerolaEbola!  AROARa, that's perfect for Robyn Jr. the drama queen.

 

I hate that jackass more all the time, 

 

Don’t you mean jackwagon?🙄.    I think JW went to Meri’s to check her temperature (another annoying Brown term) hoping she would be in favor of a move to Utah.  If Christine and Meri wanted to move, he could have an argument to start loading up the U-Hauls. Kody wants another BIG MOVE to keep the wheels on this TLC train going, but this show was a train wreck at season 1.

[islandgal140]

 

2 hours ago, 65mickey said:

If Aurora or Brianna needed surgery Kody would have picked them up and carried them all the way to NY if need be. But his own daughter, Ysabel nope let her get there on her own. He wasn't going to go with his daughter. He even told Chrisine let her by herself. Yeah Kody you moron like a hospital is going  to let a minor sign herself in for surgery. Nothing Meri did can equal the evilness of Kody and Robyn in respect to how Kody treated Ysabel.

Yup! And the poor child was complaining about being in pain, but yet he was telling her to wait longer.  Contrast that with the coddling and babying of Robyn's daughter over a panic attack.

Anyone remember when Truely fell ill in LV and had to be hospitalized? I always suspected her sickness progressed so badly and so far was because she wasn't getting the attention she needed from the adults in her life.  The child was in acute kidney failure and was incredibly dehydrated. I was seething that episode.

On that note, I wonder who took care of Truely while Christine was away with Ysabel? Did one of the sister wives step up, you know which is supposed to be the biggest perks of that ply thug life? Janelle maybe because we know it ain't Meri or Sobyn.

[MerisWetBar]

1 hour ago, islandgal140 said:

 

Yup! And the poor child was complaining about being in pain, but yet he was telling her to wait longer.  Contrast that with the coddling and babying of Robyn's daughter over a panic attack.

Anyone remember when Truely fell ill in LV and had to be hospitalized? I always suspected her sickness progressed so badly and so far was because she wasn't getting the attention she needed from the adults in her life.  The child was in acute kidney failure and was incredibly dehydrated. I was seething that episode.

On that note, I wonder who took care of Truely while Christine was away with Ysabel? Did one of the sister wives step up, you know which is supposed to be the biggest perks of that ply thug life? Janelle maybe because we know it ain't Meri or Sobyn.

IIRC, Christine took Truely with her. I feel like she had some family there maybe and T stayed with them while Christine and Ysabel were at the hospital. I may not be right, but I seem to recall that as being the case. 

[Coldplay]

Wow, what an episode! I haven't posted in a while, but this shitshow really made me mad tonight.

First of all, @Meri: Could you BE any more pathetic? (Read in your best Chandler voice). Seriously, the bitch is a borderline stalker at this point. She clearly still knows how to play the game, telling Krunchy that she has no desire to go back to Utah where her ONLY CHILD lives- she did that on purpose, hoping Christine would leave then if she says no to a move as well. And look at that, she did leave. I think Robyn and Meri are both on the "one down, two to go" path, will be interesting to see if they team up against Janelle at some point. They are both cunning and manipulative enough to do so.

Gabe was the voice of reason, he's always been calling his family out on their BS, and I looooove seeing the façade finally crumbling. It's getting more real every season, and I am here for it!

Also, on a side note, my heart was breaking for little Solomon- I honestly never understood why he gets referred to as "King Sol" (it bothers me, actually) when he appears to be a very kind, sensitive little boy. Him crying over not being able to play with Yours Truely was just sad- and didn't he cry over the exact same thing last season, too? 

Edited November 30, 2021 by Coldplay

[Art Of Noiz]

11 minutes ago, Coldplay said:

Wow, what an episode! I haven't posted in a while, but this shitshow really made me mad tonight.

First of all, @Meri: Could you BE any more pathetic? (Read in your best Chandler voice). Seriously, the bitch is a borderline stalker at this point. She clearly still knows how to play the game, telling Krunchy that she has no desire to go back to Utah where her ONLY CHILD lives- she did that on purpose, hoping Christine would leave then if she says no to a move as well. And look at that, she did leave. I think Robyn and Meri are both on the "one down, two to go" path, will be interesting to see if they team up against Janelle at some point. They are both cunning and manipulative enough to do so.

Gabe was the voice of reason, he's always been calling his family out on their BS, and I looooove seeing the façade finally crumbling. It's getting more real every season, and I am here for it!

Also, on a side note, my heart was breaking for little Solomon- I honestly never understood why he gets referred to as "King Sol" (it bothers me, actually) when he appears to be a very kind, sensitive little boy. Him crying over not being able to play with Yours Truely was just sad- and didn't he cry over the exact same thing last season, too? 

Yes, he did. He's also over being on camera. He doesn't like it.

[waterytart]

13 minutes ago, Coldplay said:

Also, on a side note, my heart was breaking for little Solomon- I honestly never understood why he gets referred to as "King Sol" (it bothers me, actually) when he appears to be a very kind, sensitive little boy. Him crying over not being able to play with Yours Truely was just sad- and didn't he cry over the exact same thing last season, too? 

I could totally be wrong, but I think the nickname was directed at Robyn, not really him, because of her status in Kody's eyes. 

[Coldplay]

13 minutes ago, waterytart said:

I could totally be wrong, but I think the nickname was directed at Robyn, not really him, because of her status in Kody's eyes. 

That makes sense then. Just been feeling bad for Solomon- he seems like a great kid.

[mythoughtis]

August 2020… I had been back in the office for two months.   We worked remotely March through May 2020.  Things were mostly open in our state, with restrictions on number of people at events such as weddings and funerals. Kody and his crew would have been considered acceptable  numbers of people.  The get together was  outside.  It was summer and numbers were down in the summer.   The 3 young kids should have been allowed to play.  In fact, this entire group should have felt ok to mingle outside all along.    
 

 

Edited November 30, 2021 by mythoughtis

[Sandy W]

56 minutes ago, waterytart said:

I could totally be wrong, but I think the nickname was directed at Robyn, not really him, because of her status in Kody's eyes. 

I think the nickname King Sol was directed at Kody.  When Sol was a toddler hew was carried around on Kody's shoulder as if was some kind of trophy.  By contrast, Kody was never seen paying any attention to Truely, just a little older than Sol. 

It does seem unfair now as he seems to have turned out to be a very nice boy.

Just now, Sandy W said:

 

 

Edited November 30, 2021 by Sandy W

[Desert Rat]

On 11/28/2021 at 9:31 PM, Tuxcat said:

I'm confused about people loving Gabe's truth bombs. This was four months into the pandemic. He was, like most college kids, exposing his family and didn't seem too concerned.  For all the truth about Robyn running the show, and maybe this not being about COVID, Gabe's nonchalant attitude did contribute to the continued spread in 2020 and the resultant, horrific winter surge.  Our university opened summer/fall 2020 and then promptly sent everyone back home due to cluster after cluster after cluster.

I don't like Kody, but at that stage in the pandemic it was reasonable to be irritated with those who decided to travel and visit whenever they wanted. 

My son goes to NAU where Gabe goes. Last year all classes except labs were remote. This year all is back to normal. During the remote year, students didn't go to class but that doesn't mean they didn't socialize. They did. My son says the parties were actually larger and more frequent than pre-COVID years.  They needed to be together for mental health reasons. He says everyone, he knows thousands of students,  got COVID, slight fever for a day to two, mild flu symptoms. No one was hospitalized or died. No one. We personally know two teens , not NAU students,  who took their lives because adequate mental health services were not available in Phoenix. They did of loneliness and lost hope. This was Gabe's experience in Flagstaff and at NAU  with COVID and why I think he believes Kody's "protocols" are not really about COVID. 

[OldButHappy]

On 11/29/2021 at 12:38 AM, Pegasaurus said:

And then Janelle with the snakeskin print leggings, ratty black T-shirt & "German industrial rock" made me laugh despite the disturbing mental image. 

12 hours ago, lamadeleine said:

Robyn clutching her pearls over Janelle's heavy metal concert gear. Robyn, maybe you should stop worrying about other people's "heavy make-up"

The image that popped into my head was Jenelle the Juggalo....

 

Edited November 30, 2021 by OldButHappy

[Desert Rat]

18 hours ago, Kellyee said:

 Kody is doing what a lot of parents do when they move on to a new marriage: he's neglecting his original kids and blaming the other parent when they don't behave. A lot of kids act out when they are abandoned by a parent, and Kody has all but abandoned Gabe and his siblings. 

 

I really don't think Gabe is a "kid acting out." He is an adult college student with a job, a girlfriend and a life. He should not have to sit at home in isolation week after week, month after month, waiting for the rare occasion when Kody stops by for 5 or 10 minutes to say "hi." I'm glad Gabe sees Kody for who he is. His honesty will serve him well in life. 

[lindalouwho]

So it’s ok for Janelle to socialize with Kody alone, and ok for her to socialize with Gabe alone, but NOT ok for Gabe and Kody to socialize? Kody’s rules are just stupid, surprised, not. I think Gabe not only has his dad’s number, he’s tired of being sacrificed on Robin’s altar. Can’t wait for his Growing up Brown autobiography.

[Elodia]

17 hours ago, Roslyn said:

I was the only punk in my very rural Pennsylvanian family farming county in the 80s 🤣

My husband heard Janelle say that and he stopped and said "Really!!??" So...I kinda have to respect her a little bit now..."  Then listening to the Janelle/Gabe conversation he said ...well maybe not...

And a reminder about Gabe. He has pushed back against anything Janelle said or wanted and if her view was lax then his would have probably been highly cautious. He is one of those pushing against any and all things kids, and being smarter than all the adults put together means he can out argue and just push push push. Janelle once said that Kody was pushing her to have another baby and her response was she was afraid to "get another Gabe". She obviously caved and then had Savanah.

Haha, love it! I was the only punk in my small bavarian hometown, too. That phase didn't last for long though, but it was fun.

[MsMalin]

Kody didn't have to be there for the entire 6 weeks of Ysabels  recovery. He could have gone for 2 weeks or 3 to see her through the operation and initial recovery. I lost what little respect I might have had for him. And initially he suggested that she go by herself. I had a serious illness earlier this year and it meant so much to me when my husband would visit me everyday and helps with recovery. What an unfeeling jerk Kody is.

Edited November 30, 2021 by MsMalin

[Rabbit Hutch]

I'm beginning to think that Janelle and Meri believe they can (and will) outlast all of the other wives, and they, the big cheese, will stand alone next to Kootie in the end.  Of course, Kootie won't have either of them and thus will find another wife. They'll still end up banished to Parawan or Little Plague on the Prairie. 

He likes Janelle as a close friend, but Kootie tries to keep himself in good shape.  I can't see him being physically attracted to Janelle without a little blue pill to help.

As for Janelle, she lost the "one family house" battle, so now she's gonna hold on to that drainage pond for all's she worth.  She sold Christine out.  While I'm not surprised at Meri doing this to Christine, Janelle's reaction to potentially moving did, as she didn't even try to fake it, like Meri.  "Just give me the land, and y'all can move!"  Heh!  She knows Robyn ain't going nowhere!  😏

Now, I'll give Janelle some slack, since both her inheritance and 401k were cashed in to help the family, so one one level she's due.  However, Christine helped raise her kids, for Pete's sake!   Sheesh, These women can't stand each other.

Still, even with her apathic approach toward living her life, I do believe Janelle would grab the chance at having Kootie to herself.  Of course, for her it would be best for Kootie to have a job that kept him away from home much of the time, such as working for the circus (suits her love of tents and dirt) or perhaps a man who sells potions for a traveling show, (LIV or PLEXUS, anyone?) Yep, that would suit her to the plaque-infested ground. That way, she could continue being a medicore life coach, cook, and gardener.

As for Meri, she has tried for what, seven years now to get Kootie back?  Deep down she'd like nothing better, however, there is nothing there for her and Kootie and now she's blaming her psychosis on God, himself. Good golly, Miss Molly!  🤨

I've never seen such a cast of delusional characters as these women.  Even the "Real Housewives of Whatever" can't rival the fantasy worlds that's going on inside each of their heads.  😬 

Except for Robyn, she's running her game as far as she can run.  Have to say I'm impressed.  How she managed to destroy this entire family and yet end up with a million dollar home and her name on most of the land deeds is amazing to me.  I don't have the heart, the lack of a moral compass, or the machivellian brain to pull it off.  Guess that's why she's the Mistress of Darkness.  😈

Edited November 30, 2021 by Rabbit Hutch
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[mythoughtis]

6 hours ago, MsMalin said:

Kody didn't have to be there for the entire 6 weeks of Ysabels  recovery. He could have gone for 2 weeks or 3 to see her through the operation and initial recovery. I lost what little respect I might have had for him. And initially he suggested that she go by herself. I had a serious illness earlier this year and it meant so much to me when my husband would visit me everyday and helps with recovery. What an unfeeling jerk Kody is.

I never had any respect for him. 
We have never seen him put any of his biological kids ahead of himself.  Oh, he puffed out his chest about Logan and then when Hunter was good at wrestling.  But he’s never gone out of his way for any of them. 
Truely almost died.  Aspen was the only one paying any attention to her while Christine was out of town, and Aspen wasn’t experienced  enough to understand how ill she was.  That type of illness can come on quickly - it was not Aspens’ fault. ’  Kody fell down on his responsibilities. 
Even before that- it should not have been Logan’s responsibility in Utah to deal with all his siblings before school every day.  Kody should have gotten his rear into that apartment and done breakfast for  them. He lived in the same house -it wouldn’t have been difficult to roll out of bed and walk a few yards. 
So the Ysabel thing- Kody’s normal behavior. 
 

Edited November 30, 2021 by mythoughtis

[Cetacean]

7 hours ago, Desert Rat said:

They needed to be together for mental health reasons. He says everyone, he knows thousands of students,  got COVID, slight fever for a day to two, mild flu symptoms. No one was hospitalized or died.

Speaking from the viewpoint of someone working with the health department - while no students died how many of the vulnerable (remember this was pre-vaccine) did they infect and kill?  It's the fallout that people refuse to acknowledge, that their actions have consequences.  Hospitals were (and are) filled with patients who got Covid from someone else, it doesn't just fall out of the sky.  These parties have been proven to be super spreader events ending in spread in the community.  To date, almost 800,000 have died.  

I, for one, would never be able to live with myself if I knew I had hurt or killed another human because "I just need to party". Gabe acted like a fool.  But acting like idiots is part of the Brown DNA.

[TurtlePower]

8 hours ago, Desert Rat said:

My son goes to NAU where Gabe goes. Last year all classes except labs were remote. This year all is back to normal. During the remote year, students didn't go to class but that doesn't mean they didn't socialize. They did. My son says the parties were actually larger and more frequent than pre-COVID years.  They needed to be together for mental health reasons. He says everyone, he knows thousands of students,  got COVID, slight fever for a day to two, mild flu symptoms. No one was hospitalized or died. No one. We personally know two teens , not NAU students,  who took their lives because adequate mental health services were not available in Phoenix. They did of loneliness and lost hope. This was Gabe's experience in Flagstaff and at NAU  with COVID and why I think he believes Kody's "protocols" are not really about COVID. 

A lot of that was happening and no one wanted to talk about that—if you didn’t die from covid, it wasn’t as tragic. Las Vegas had a very high suicide rate amongst students—kids were being told “deal with it”, and that’s how many of them did (because, no doctor visits or preventative care). 

Not trying to make light of the pandemic (I’m triple vaccinated, know people who have died and a bit nervous about it myself it’s just that I see so many people “pushed aside” because their problems don’t seem to matter during the pandemic). I understand the family’s need for covid rules, but it seems inconsistent with an alterier motive—which is why I agree Kody’s protocols are not actual about covid. 

[Cetacean]

41 minutes ago, TurtlePower said:

Kody’s protocols are not actual about covid. 

 Nor, as have others pointed out, did they make any sense. It's a shame that the virus wasn't a glowing purple color so that he could see that running from place to place, he was potentially picking it up at one house and taking it back to The Castle.  At the beginning of Covid, someone suggested that we rub some glitter on our hands and then watch how widespread the sparkles are, a good reminder of how easily things are spread around.

Kootie makes senseless rules just because he can.  He's a prophet, after all, with a direct conduit to his god. He's been "called" to issue idiotic edicts.

[toodywoody]

Can someone tell me what Gabe said in this episode?

[laurakaye]

On 11/29/2021 at 12:56 AM, Adeejay said:

I believe Robyn “makes” Kody be nice to Meri because she feels guilty.

Respectfully disagree.  I don't think Robyn is capable of feeling guilt.  I think she asks Kody to toss Meri a crumb here and there to ensure that Meri keeps pining for Kody, because that elevates Robyn's status.  I have often thought that if all of the Big Three were to bail, Robyn would be absolutely miserable.  She doesn't just want Kody for herself, she gets off of the jealousy of the other women, and she has been doing little things since the beginning to make sure that this is the case....on re-watch, it becomes abundantly clear.  Robyn is horrible.

 

On 11/29/2021 at 12:59 AM, Meowwww said:

Oh the horror to Robyn.  Janelle wore black shirts and heavy makeup to concerts!!

Pictures or it didn't happen.  

It's so humorous to me that Janelle, professional Eeyore/Lump on the Couch, supposedly has this secret life where she was a wild teepee living hippie, a thriving single mom, a "health coach," a farm-to-table greenhouse veggie gardener with restaurant aspirations, and now a German concert ripped t-shirt wearing music lover.  This, from a woman who barely registers a pulse during most interviews.  Sure, JAN (elle).

 

On 11/29/2021 at 10:13 AM, nosedive said:

I was astounded (well, not really, considering the source) that Robyn was so disturbed at the prospect that she "would be the one" chasing after her kids.  Isn't that what mothers typically do?  

Ha!  But that's why Robyn wanted in this fambly so gosh-darn bad!  She wanted these other women to raise her kids.  She's said as much, especially in the beginning.  She was always far too busy being pretty and skinny and modeling her VS undies for the Kodester to be bothered with something as pedestrian as raising Sol and Ariabellobla.  Plus I really do think she sees those two kids as the Chosen Brownies, and that everyone else should drop whatever they're doing when Sol and Ari are present and make sure that they are perfectly cared for, at the expense of whatever other leftover Brown kid is wandering around.  

 

22 hours ago, Sasha888 said:

The Dark Queen does nothing without a reason.

+1,000,000%.

 

16 hours ago, Mahamid Frauded Me said:

Don't forget, she did sacrifice her own fire pit, what a blow that must have been

Just the very fact that Meri had to speak out loud the words "I don't need my own fire pit" makes me stabby, because Kody - in his hamster-wheel pea brain - decided that he needed to waste how many hours digging in the plague dirt to give each wife her own fire pit, when if he were truly concerned, he could have just enlarged whatever fire pit was already there.  The fact that he decided that each wife needed her own was one of the bigger time-wasting things he's ever done, and believe me - that list is extensive.  What a moron.

[laurakaye]

30 minutes ago, toodywoody said:

Can someone tell me what Gabe said in this episode?

He essentially told Janelle that it wasn't Covid keeping Kody from seeing them, it was Robyn, while Janelle weakly argued that no, that wasn't the case.  Gabe was 1,000% correct and Janelle knew it - because later she admits that if Gabe has to choose between seeing his girlfriend or quarantining on the off-chance that Kody stops over, then Gabe should just go ahead and choose his girlfriend.  Janelle totally contradicted herself in the span of about 30 seconds.

[Libby]

Christine and Gabe finally clearly see that Robyn is ruling the family and that Kody is either intentionally or unintentionally under her spell and completely believes and goes along with whatever she wants. Because at least two of them sees things as they actually are, we are finally getting an honest depiction of the family. I think that Gabe and Christine have given up on Kody, consequently they are telling the truth more than ever before. It's refreshing to hear them voice what we, the audience have known for a long time.