S13.E05: How Nude

[OdinO.]

I am truly sorry I maligned a whole generation of people by Leah's actions. That was uncool and includes my 3 daughter's generation, all wonderful women. She just sucks.

Edited June 2, 2021 by OdinO.

[chlban]

46 minutes ago, pasdetrois said:

Does anyone remember Goldie Hawn's character in "Private Benjamin," when she was swanning about her fiance's chateau in an outfit just like Leah's khaki monstrosity?

Also, quoting an earlier poster: "The career of the highly educated Eboni has consistently trended downward. After her good education she became a lawyer doing substantive work. However, she chose celebrity over substance to become a opinionated talking head. (I include all talking heads in this category). Now in a further slide down she has become a Real Housewife who will probably never be taken seriously again."

Let's not forget that pesky little bankruptcy problem, which Eboni mentioned in her first episode but didn't really take responsibility for. That's the thing I give her serious side-eye about.

Agree, especially her whole cavalier attitude about it. It wasn't medical or even forced job loss. It was "to hell with my creditors while I chase fame". But, the point about her career is also spot on. It's one thing for an actress to appear on these shows. Clearly, it shows your not in Meryl Streep territory, but it fits for the B actresses that have done it. But, if an attorney wants to ever be taken seriously, RHONY, or any other franchise, is not going to help.

[biakbiak]

2 hours ago, Hiyo said:

One doesn’t need to say all of the phrase out loud to get the point across.

Not only does one not have to say it, I would say the full phrase is hardly ever said because the stereotype type is so deeply ingrained in our culture and words like “angry” and “attitude” are used specifically because they get the stereotype across basically they have replaced “uppity” for a lot of people.

[Housewives Addict]

I'm sick of Eboni already.  I don't think I can take much more of her!  I don't tune in to this show to hear fights about race.  Grrrr

[Hangin Out]

4 hours ago, mjstrick said:

Wow.   So much to unpack here and I have too much anxiety after watching that to do it right now.  But I do have a question.  I am in no way making excuses for Leah, because I can't find a single redeemable thing about her, but when was this filmed?  Does anyone know?  I ignore most of her scenes so I don't know if she's mentioned whether her grandmother was in the hospital or a nursing home or at home.  If it was one of the former,  she maybe couldn't have seen her in person.  My mom had surgery last March and died alone in July in a long term care facility.   I got to see her once.    Again, not making excuses, just wondering.  I lost my mind for those months and even still a bit.  But I am not a complete whacko like Leah under normal circumstances.   

So sorry you couldn’t get to see your Mom as much as you wanted.  It wasn’t your fault.  I’m pretty sure part was filmed in the fall, then the rest this spring.  Out of three of us sisters,I did the most for my Mom, but to this day, I feel I should have done more.  I think lots of people feel this way.  Moms understand you did your best.

[Chit Chat]

1 hour ago, Boo Boo said:

Lu, I can only hope this argument was just her attempts to create drama.  Eboni wasn't lording her education over them nor did she call them uneducated.  I mean, if she only talks about how much more educated she is, okay.

To use Eboni's word, I think that LuAnn felt "triggered" upon hearing Eboni say that.  Maybe LuAnn has had to prove her intellect over the years with some of the upper crust she's hung out with.  Who knows!  Eboni should've said "formal" education, because "education" can mean a lot of different things.  I still think it was tacky of her to say it in the first place.  She misunderstood what LuAnn was trying to say about education in regards to Ramona's upbringing.  

3 hours ago, TheCouchPotato said:

LuAnne implicitly called Eboni an “angry black woman” all the while pushing her. 

I disagree.   I also think it's wrong to assume what LuAnn's intent was too.  None of us knows that.  

1 hour ago, WhyAmIHere said:

I continue to enjoy the shade thrown by the producers like noting that Eboni and Leah only arrived 12 minutes later than Ramona.  

I wonder if Eboni told her stylist to hurry up because she told Ramona that it would take her about 20-30 more minutes to get ready.  Interesting that she got done that quickly after telling Ramona how long it takes her to get ready.

 

 

[Chit Chat]

5 minutes ago, FancyNancy said:

I can’t tell a person who's been through hardships I haven’t been through, how they should feel or react when I don’t know what it’s like to go through it. I have sympathy for them and I have the wherewithal to not diminish how they feel their experience is or tell them it’s not happening because I don’t understand it or deal with it.

None of the HWs really know what the other has gone through pre-HWs show, so they should all choose their words wisely.  

[FancyNancy]

8 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

None of the HWs really know what the other has gone through pre-HWs show, so they should all choose their words wisely.  

I think everyone is well aware of the stereotypes some of us spoke about, including the Housewives, especially within this last year.  Some just choose to be willfully obtuse. Like a font said, these conversations are necessary to have, but people would have to be open to hear it.

Edited June 3, 2021 by FancyNancy

[MsMalin]

I really don't watch these shows for political or race relations lessons. I get enough of that in my real lie. P And if I threw a very nice dinner party and someone talked about eating ass, I think I would escort them out the front door and never invite them back.

That being said, how funny was Ramona groovin' to the music?

[Stats Queen]

1 minute ago, FancyNancy said:

I think everyone is well aware of the stereotypes some of us spoke about, including the Housewives, especially within this last year.  Some just choose to be willfully obtuse. Like a font said, these conversations are necessary to have, but people would have to be open to hear it.

All involved need to be open to hear it and learn from it. 

Deciding the intent of someone’s comments or assuming the intent behind them isn’t always helpful. If a person has a pattern of comments, behaviors, actions, that is one thing, because it is a pattern of behavior.

One person can be unaware that they are saying something that triggers a reaction in another person, especially of a different race. On the flip side, it is possible that one can read more into a comment than it being a comment that would be directed at anyone regardless of race, sex, etc.

I personally strive to be an equal opportunity asshole.

 

 

[Feech]

What the people who run these shows have to determine is why people watch “The Real Housewives.” 
 

I always thought it was to be entertained by the foibles of the rich idle women of the Upper East Side with their lavish parties and big mansions.

If the show is going to turn into a constant Human Resources seminar on critical race theory it is clear that in the immortal words of Spinal Tap “their appeal is much more selective.”

 

[Chit Chat]

38 minutes ago, FancyNancy said:

Like a font said, these conversations are necessary to have, but people would have to be open to hear it.

The HWs show really isn't the best place to have these intellectual, thoughtful types of conversations.  There are many other options for someone with Eboni's experience and education that would be better suited for these discussions.  I said from the start that I didn't know why she lowered herself to come onto this shit show.   I figured she had much better options out there than this.   

[Hangin Out]

As housewives ourselves, we want to be like Calgone .. take us away.  (If you all remember the commercial).  Take us away from all the crap of these hard days.

[hypnotoad]

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To some extent, I do think Lu and Eboni were talking past each other.

I completely agree. And while I certainly don't watch this show for a weekly lecture about race, a few of these women and  some of us viewers could perhaps stand to learn about other people's experiences and perspectives.

I understand why the angry thing caused Eboni to react and whether Lu intended something or not - why not listen to why Eboni reacted? And sorry but perhaps Eboni could have taken 5 seconds to try and understand what Lu was saying about Catholic school rather than jumping to 'I'm more educated.' They were talking at each other not to each other. But that's the bread and butter of these shows - no one listens.

If Leah is trying to be edgy she is failing badly. One shouldn't have to try quite so hard to be edgy. I think you kind of just are or you aren't. Like some people are funny and others aren't - trying to be funny never works out well.

I am no prude but Leah's constant need to make everything about sex is tiresome. I was in the Army and I don't remember the guys talking about sex this much! And while I realize Ramona and Lu have talked sex quite a bit over the years, I do feel like there is a time and place.

Leah is quickly eroding my enjoyment of this show and I'm not sure how much longer this will remain in my dvr q.

Edited June 3, 2021 by hypnotoad

[Kdawg82]

Eboni lost me a bit this episode. 

There doesn't need to be a reason for why a person doesn't want to hear certain vulgar terms at a dinner table.  Leah- it's not hard or creditable to talk trashy sex talk. What's hard is being committed to someone or something, to be charitable,  forgiving, kind, selfless. All the best people in the world who have contributed most wasn't because they were open to say "co**, pu**y, etc.." Try not indulging in physical worldly needs. That would be harder than talking sex. Get LOST. 

And there are plenty of people educated, not educated, religious and non religious who don't want to hear Leah's vulgar jaw yammer on about the topic. 

[Chit Chat]

50 minutes ago, MsMalin said:

That being said, how funny was Ramona groovin' to the music?

She was a little too into it!  ;)  We can count on our Noodle to entertain us though.   I wonder if Sonja would've like the guy if LuAnn hadn't tried to set them up.  Sonja was rather rude about it.  She's looking for Mr. Money bags, so all others need not apply!

So, is this the male model's gig?  He goes to rich ladies parties and poses for them?  I wonder how much he gets paid to do that.  Must be worth it!  Those aren't exactly paintings/drawings that you're going to take home and hang up on the wall!  

[CouchTater]

As much as it pained me to watch the argument between Eboni and Lu, it can also be a conversation starter, or at least a thought provoker.

As a Black woman living/working in a mostly white world I have often "let things slide," for a go-along-to-get-along approach.  And as I'm sure Eboni has experienced, many things are about race for me because I'm constantly having to assimilate and/or fit in.  To be fair to non-POC people, they haven't experienced what I have and maybe can't fully understand it.  But it would be helpful if my experience and perception weren't dismissed as being overreactive and inauthentic.

It's a little triggering for me to read some of the "if Eboni insists on making everything about race..." comments.  Kudos to those who have the energy to try to explain why everything is about race for some of us.

And kudos to anyone who doesn't have the experience but can acknowledge that just because they don't see/hear it doesn't mean it didn't happen.  Maybe they just don't recognize it.  Thus, conversation.

[njbchlover]

7 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

I have to say I am enjoying the irony of Leah taking on the very aesthetic of the UES women she chastised last season i.e., very blond, rhinoplasty, breast augmentation, botox, dermal fillers and lip filler. 

Don't forget having to have a "glam squad" do professional hair and make up to go to a friend's house for a casual lunch!!!  

Edited June 3, 2021 by njbchlover

[njbchlover]

7 hours ago, charliesan said:

I did not expect LuAnn reacting this way either, usually I think that, considering this group of course, she's the most careful about how she's coming off. I repeat: considering this group.

But I especially agree about Ramona, I did like Leah last season but she's being insufferable now, Ramona has had every chance to react and either she genuinely likes her or she sees the writing's on the wall regarding her future on the show so she's trying to play nice. 

Also, is it me or is Leah even more problematic than LuAnn's "angry" comment or Sonja's "my fish come in every color" spiel? Is it just me that finds Leah's conversion to Judaism way worse? It's surprising that none of the women are even questioning her reasons to convert, and so far her explanations seem incredibly superficial and stupid. And I'm not even Jewish by the way. 

I'm not even sure if Leah's faux conversion (which obviously did not happen and will not happen) was even mentioned to the other ladies.  I recall her talking on the phone to her father about it, and mentioning it in a talking head, but I don't recall her speaking about it to the other ladies.  

[njbchlover]

4 hours ago, ichbin said:

Rational?  I thought she looked like the senile old relative at the holiday table, off in her own world, stuffing in food while waving her arms about.

Ha-ha....I have to agree!!  If you've ever seen "National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation" - you may remember Aunt Bethany - I'm thinking that Sonja will be at that stage in about 20 years! 

[Thumper]

1 hour ago, hypnotoad said:

I completely agree. And while I certainly don't watch this show for a weekly lecture about race, a few of these women and  some of us viewers could perhaps stand to learn about other people's experiences and perspectives.

I understand why the angry thing caused Eboni to react and whether Lu intended something or not - why not listen to why Eboni reacted? And sorry but perhaps Eboni could have taken 5 seconds to try and understand what Lu was saying about Catholic school rather than jumping to 'I'm more educated.' They were talking at each other not to each other. But that's the bread and butter of these shows - no one listens.

If Leah is trying to be edgy she is failing badly. One shouldn't have to try quite so hard to be edgy. I think you kind of just are or you aren't. Like some people are funny and others aren't - trying to be funny never works out well.

I am no prude but Leah's constant need to make everything about sex is tiresome. I was in the Army and I don't remember the guys talking about sex this much! And while I realize Ramona and Lu have talked sex quite a bit over the years, I do feel like there is a time and place.

Leah is quickly eroding my enjoyment of this show and I'm not sure how much longer this will remain in my dvr q.

 

1 hour ago, CouchTater said:

As much as it pained me to watch the argument between Eboni and Lu, it can also be a conversation starter, or at least a thought provoker.

As a Black woman living/working in a mostly white world I have often "let things slide," for a go-along-to-get-along approach.  And as I'm sure Eboni has experienced, many things are about race for me because I'm constantly having to assimilate and/or fit in.  To be fair to non-POC people, they haven't experienced what I have and maybe can't fully understand it.  But it would be helpful if my experience and perception weren't dismissed as being overreactive and inauthentic.

It's a little triggering for me to read some of the "if Eboni insists on making everything about race..." comments.  Kudos to those who have the energy to try to explain why everything is about race for some of us.

And kudos to anyone who doesn't have the experience but can acknowledge that just because they don't see/hear it doesn't mean it didn't happen.  Maybe they just don't recognize it.  Thus, conversation.

Both of these.  As a white woman, I am trying to learn and understand how comments or actions are perceived by POC.  I have done some reading, and I try to listen.  Just because *I* don’t perceive it as bad or hurtful, does not mean it isn’t.     I have not walked in their shoes.  That is why I see some of these conversations on the RH franchises as helpful — but people need to be open and not defensive.

That said, RH does try to elevate the confrontation on these shows. 

[njbchlover]

The sad part of all of this, including that back and forth between Luann and Eboni that became a fight and one asking the other to leave her home, is that ALL of this is actually Leah's fault.

If Leah would have just had some respect for her hostess during a dinner party, had some respect for others around her, and stopped talking in a crude and vulgar manner, none of this would have happened.

And again, if Leah hadn't stormed off, came back when no one followed her, and then stormed off for a second time after AGAIN being rude, crude and vulgar at yet ANOTHER hostess' home, none of this would have happened.

Leah is crude and vulgar.  She equates this with being hip, downtown and "cool".  In my opinion, she is an adult who is suffering from arrested development, screaming for any and all attention, like a spoiled 8 year old.  

I realize that all of these women have narcissistic tendencies, but at least they are not quite as much attention whores as Leah is.  

And guess what??  Yelling at a group of woman "DON'T TELL ME I DON'T HAVE CLASS!!!  YOU'RE A FUCKING HO, AND YOU'RE A FUCKING HO, YOU'RE A HO AND YOU'RE A HO!!!!" just kind of proves that no, you really don't have any class.

Here's the thing - Leah does not know how to "read a room", and that is also a part of her immaturity and attention seeking behavior.  Mature adults can grasp what the vibe of the room is, and how far you can go in conversations regarding things that some may consider off-topic or off-color.  Being a mature adult means reading that room and adjusting your conversation to "get along" with the crowd, whether you are "sex positive" or not (And, for the record, I must be old - I've never heard that phrase before).  

Having Leah in the room spewing her vulgarities is like having Andrew Dice Clay perform a stand-up routine at the Vatican.  (okay - I'm overreaching a bit, but you get my drift)

Leah throws all that crap into conversations with Ramona around because she knows it makes Ramona uncomfortable.  I think she is trying very, very hard to make Ramona snap.  Ramona, on the other hand, is handling it excellently.  She is doing all she can to be reasonable and not snap.  I'm actually enjoying Ramona this season.

Leah needs to go - she is not a good match for the rest of group, and I think that with time, even her new "friend" Eboni will tire of her.

 

[Bluesky]

22 hours ago, nichelle said:

Okay, I'll give it a shot.

Watching that scene back, almost all were speaking with raised voices. Ramona even became frustrated, stood up and shouted. Leah was yelling when she left. The educated LuAnn at one point started shouting. Yet, the one person being called out as angry was Eboni. Are black women especially aware of when this term is used? Definitely. It's a stereotype. In general, there can be a lack of understanding and awareness of experiences of marginalized groups (ie white fragility, discomfort). And when it is raised as an issue by a member of the marginalized group, they are perceived as making everything about race when it is their actual, day to day experience.

eboni hasn’t been a loud person and that was a legitimate call out on Luanne.  But Luanne was visibly upset about Eboni claiming to be the most educated person in the room.   And both were using the term differently.  Eboni meant it in terms of having an advanced degree.   Luanne was referring to being educated on all levels about all things regardless of a formal classroom. I think it was about good manners and being socially aware of the situation you’re in.   Nothing to do with formal education.   
 

Also it’s not like Eboni is some exotic creature from another planet.  They have more similarities than differences.  Eboni doesn’t need to explain “as a black woman, my hair, etc”.   We all know the differences in hair.    Like Romona said, then start earlier.  

[Bluesky]

6 hours ago, Mstk3000 said:

I think the whole thing started with Luann's misuse of the word "education."  She meant (in my take on the conversation as it evolved) "background/upbringing" (in terms of parochial school, conservative parenting etc.) but misstated it as "education," which irritated Eboni because she thought Luann was calling her and Leah uneducated.  So then she felt the need to point out that she's actually the most educated of the group, and things went further downhill from there.

 Agree.  They were both arguing about a word that had a different meaning to each of them.  Ebony took the word literally and Luanne didn’t.   And who announces they have the most education out of the whole table anyway?   Crass. 

[Mstk3000]

7 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

Leah is crude and vulgar.  She equates this with being hip, downtown and "cool".  In my opinion, she is an adult who is suffering from arrested development, screaming for any and all attention, like a spoiled 8 year old.  

 

 

I think you have hit the nail on the head here.  Her own parents sent her away at an early age because she was uncontrollable and destroying their lives.  Whether that was a good parenting decision I can't say, I wasn't there.  But even after the boarding school they still didn't want her to live with them, and they clearly don't want her around now either. 

Addiction specialists say that the age that a person becomes addicted is the age they will always be, emotionally, unless and until they do the work to get past it and really mature.  I don't think Leah has done that work, and obviously her parents don't think so either or they would have asked her to be with them during this difficult time.  They did ask her siblings, and her response was "why are they so mean to me?" rather than "why do they not want me around,, could there be a reason that they have said 100 times?".

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[ichbin]

1 hour ago, njbchlover said:

Ha-ha....I have to agree!!  If you've ever seen "National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation" - you may remember Aunt Bethany - I'm thinking that Sonja will be at that stage in about 20 years! 

Play ball!

[ButterQueen]

Sigh.......what a disappointing show.  ☹️

[hoodooznoodooz]

@film noire I am looking forward to your post! 

[Hiyo]

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Maybe LuAnn has had to prove her intellect over the years with some of the upper crust she's hung out with. 

The suffering is real...

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I also think it's wrong to assume what LuAnn's intent was too.  None of us knows that.  

Thats never stopped us before from passing judgement on these women lol

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Some just choose to be willfully obtuse.

Indeed.

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I always thought it was to be entertained by the foibles of the rich idle women of the Upper East Side with their lavish parties and big mansions.

It stopped being just that a while ago.

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If the show is going to turn into a constant Human Resources seminar on critical race theory it is clear that in the immortal words of Spinal Tap “their appeal is much more selective.”

I don't think that is the worst thing that can happen to a show like this. Especially since there is still enough location/hosue porn, silly parties, and boozing it up to keep the people into that entertained as well.

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And while I certainly don't watch this show for a weekly lecture about race, a few of these women and  some of us viewers could perhaps stand to learn about other people's experiences and perspectives.

Amen to that.

[Jextella]

The fight between Eboni and Luann was ridiculous. I took Heather's side in that one! They were NOT listening to each other.  Not that I'm great at it or anything, but think of how many arguments we could avoid in this world if we just thought about how we use words and took the time to listen.

Luann said "education" and seems to have meant "knowledge of Catholic conservatism" (this is how I interpreted it, anyway).

Eboni took the word "education" to mean formal education, i.e. in a classroom.

If Luanne was more clear and if Eboni stopped to process the context of the word, all this could have been avoided.

It's amazing how poor communication and poor listening get us humans into trouble.

Similarly, I think there was a difference between Eboni's and Leah's behavior. Leah was being a whiny and self-righteous child. Eboni was arguing to make a case. Ramona called Leah out for being angry, and Luann called Eboni out on being angry. And both WERE angry, black, blue, purple, green or orange.

I really like Eboni and she shined like no other in her conversation with Ramona a week or two ago (can't recall which). 

But the jump to angry black woman was an assumption (using Venn diagram concept) with fallible logic. She jumped to a conclusion when there were other interpretations to consider. I get that she would go there, understandably so. But not everything is about race as much as it may seem or feel that way.

Don't get me wrong...I really like Eboni and think she was a great addiiton and offers a new direction for the show which I'm grateful for. 

Sober-Leah is TBD for me....I really liked her last year, but this year she's a complete downer. 

Edited June 3, 2021 by Jextella

[BrownBear2012]

On 6/1/2021 at 8:05 PM, Hangin Out said:

It’s time to do something about Sonja.  She is getting like Dorinda when drinking.

Does anyone here think LuAnn is acting silly always going after much younger men wherever she can find them?  She is being used for sex, or the other way around.  Is there a shortage of men in the City and Hamptons?

Ha! Have you seen the men that hang around these women? It’s pretty bad if someone like Tom and Harry Dubin are considered to be hot items. Garth is probably one of the keepers even with his dyed blond hair sitting atop a mop of black hair.

[Hiyo]

I guess in Harry's case his technique is good? Or he gives good credit? Or both?

Edited June 3, 2021 by Hiyo

[BlueHawk]

Dear Lord above. Is Bravo working from a list requiring casting directors to purposely find and hire women that have addiction issues (alcohol-sex-drugs or combo), financial distress, actual criminal activity w resulting arrests/ prison sentences, genuine and concerning mental illness not just the garden variety neurosis commonly found among those who desire to appear on reality shows? Exhibit: Kim Richards & Sonja T. "Morgan",  Mr & Mrs Guidice , Jen Shah, Erika Jane & hubby, and etcetera and so forth. 

I suppose it's a little comforting that we have some proof that quite a few of the people parading what passes for wealth on our screens are exposing venal, clodish, undeveloped & slightly slimy inner selves. Certainly reduces whatever envy factors we might have harbored when first tuning in. 

Leah's behaviour - Leah in general is appalling.  She continually smacks the viewer in the face with her combative immaturity and unerring pursuit of the low and common purely to shock and make everyone look at her..

Appalling & sad. She absolutely does not fit with this group.  Her perfect soul mate on this show was before her time.That would be Aviva Dreschers' repulsive father who was exactly as crudely sexually expressive as Leah. They could have had  deep conversations where he would've told her he'd give her "squirting orgasms" & she would disparage his manhood unless he performed anallingus. Viewers found him repulsive enough that he was removed and never seen again.

Unless Leah gets some serious, serious mental & emotional help I can envision her morphing into Avivas'  dad as she ages. In the end she'll  be gray and droopy- screeching about D's & P's and trying to offend anyone she can see --sitting next to Sonja who'll be barely conscious, stuffing her face coming up for air occasionally to ask if the limo has arrived to take her to the yacht. The only people paying attention to either of them will be the medical "minders" standing behind each of them.

And can someone tell me what was with Leah screeching. at Ramona about Avery? She kept saying she didn't want to hear about her daughter her daughter ! Where did that come from? I didn't hear Ramona going on about anything  except perhaps that she didn't appreciate Leah's gross speech at dinner or previously in another group that included Avery.

  Leah just needs to go.

[film noire]

15 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

@film noire I am looking forward to your post! 

I got nothing but confusion and questions, Hoodooz!

Is Queen Leah of Judea still converting? (Her wannabe mic drop Commandment -  Thou Shalt Not Lie! - indicates yes, as does her stopping strangers on the street to share her insight into Judaism: "Have you head of Moses' dick? Thick and juicy after forty years in the desert! Mazelcock!")  Good to know her sex-positivity includes slut-shaming women and sexualizing fourteen year old girls as conversational weapons. Isn't sex beeyootiful?

The Countess returned (farewell, Lu!) to share her definition of education; well rounded, well travelled, multi-tongued (yes, Countess, we're all impressed you can say "Please don't let it be about Tom" in French, English and Italian) and who knew Sonja was an artist? (Did she mean fine or con?) And what of Ramona, our Hangry Woman? Feather-foreplay last week! WAP refs! She was seconds away from "Dear Penthouse, Mario brought his secretary home and she showed me her C and he took out his D and we had S-E-X "-  somebody give the Noodle some noodles!  And this week I finally missed Dorinda;  I imagined her drunk (Who ish that Black woman is she Lenny Briscoe's  new partner?)   and handing Eboni her coat before dinner  & all hell finally breaking loose on Ms. Medley.

Heather was there, you say? Hmm. 

Edited June 3, 2021 by film noire

[lamujerdecente]

12 hours ago, Feech said:

Very true.

Who is going to tell Eboni that not everything is about race?

In America everything is about race. White folks found that out this past year. Some for the first time. As tired as many are of race in these shows and in the news, THINK how tired folks of color are of race affecting small things like their JOB, being afraid to call the police because of state violence, their home, we will just go back to living that way QUIETLY! let’s go back to just caring about animals to show we good humans!

SIGH. 
 

Leah really brings out the old lady in me. I want to tell her to stop talking like the gutter and please for the love of the sight of everyone around u, LEAH, buy a mirror. Use. It. 

[FancyNancy]

5 minutes ago, lamujerdecente said:

In America everything is about race. White folks found that out this past year. Some for the first time. As tired as many are of race in these shows and in the news, THINK how tired folks of color are of race affecting small things like their JOB, being afraid to call the police because of state violence, their home, we will just go back to living that way QUIETLY! let’s go back to just caring about animals to show we good humans!

SIGH. 
 

Leah really brings out the old lady in me. I want to tell her to stop talking like the gutter and please for the love of the sight of everyone around u, LEAH, buy a mirror. Use. It. 

It’s hard for people to grasp things they don’t go through and some will either sympathize or not. When it’s not about race to you (general) it’s because your race isn’t weaponized against you. They don’t know how it feels to walk in a store and be followed simply because of your skin. 
These things need to be seen. It’s not a card and to say that is offensive. Just say you (general) don’t know or you’re not educated on the subject. 

[Hangin Out]

11 hours ago, MsMalin said:

I really don't watch these shows for political or race relations lessons. I get enough of that in my real lie. P And if I threw a very nice dinner party and someone talked about eating ass, I think I would escort them out the front door and never invite them back.

That being said, how funny was Ramona groovin' to the music?

I don’t watch these shows for political or race issues either.  We have enough of that all day long.  These shows are for entertainment only, or are supposed to be.  We weren’t allowed to talk politics .. why this race issue now?  We are aware and don’t need anymore lessons.  We have seen it on tv all year long.

I love Ramona.  Only once I saw her breakdown when they went to her home town.  She has a strict Father and was brought up strict.  She went to design school, made money and married Mario.  I’m pretty she bought her own beautiful house too.  I didn’t see her whine about her divorce or being alone .. maybe once.  She’s strong, does her best and carries on.  She gives nice parties and is a good hostess, and is sympathetic to those who are down.  She didn’t need Leah and Ebony to come into her home and disrupt all her nice work and intentions.  She stood for Leah wrecking her backyard last year.  She didn’t need that shit again this year.  I guess Bravo made her do it because of Covid.  Her and LuAnn got stuck as they have houses.  It’s Bravos fault.  They let things unravel one by one.  Enough with the sex talk too.  It has gotten boring.  Leah especially.  When the ratings go down, they will see.  It will hit their pockets quickly.  Most people have had enough of it all.  Plain and simple.

(and lots of errors, sorry).  Can’t fix them.

 

Edited June 3, 2021 by Hangin Out

[Hiyo]

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We weren’t allowed to talk politics .. why this race issue now?

Because when you add POC as HWs and they interact with their ignorant co-stars, race is bound to come up sooner or later.

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We are aware and don’t need anymore lessons.

Given the state of affairs in the US today, that is clearly not true. Besides, people keep saying they want the shows to be more real and less manufactured...nothing more real these days than America having to deal with the current state of race relations filtered to us via the interactions between the various HWs.

And it's not like there isn't anything else being offered on these shows. There are still the silly parties, the location and house porn, the occasional food porn...

Edited June 3, 2021 by Hiyo

[Hangin Out]

21 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

Leah, no one cares about Ramona's sex life or whether or not she actually donated plasma. Get off her jock and go home to be with your dying grandma. 

I’ll bet she was told not to come.  She causes too much commotion.  The parents are old and can’t take her anymore.  She could cause a heart attack.

[FancyNancy]

30 minutes ago, Hiyo said:

Because when you add POC as HWs and they interact with their ignorant co-stars, race is bound to come up sooner or later.

Given the state of affairs in the US today, that is clearly not true. Besides, people keep saying they want the shows to be more real and less manufactured...nothing more real these days than America having to deal with the current state of race relations filtered to us via the interactions between the various HWs.

And it's not like there isn't anything else being offered on these shows. There are still the silly parties, the location and house porn, the occasional food porn...

I STAN you!!! 

[MsMalin]

17 hours ago, Doublemint said:

THIS - I was thinking this too.   Any man who would participate in a TV show where he was drawing lady bits would be Cancelled.    I thought it was disgusting.

 

 

[Kdawg82]

IMO, LuAnn used the wrong term when she said "it's about education." Maybe she could've said "Catholic school education" or "upbringing" as a more appropriate term.  "Education" was not the correct term here. On the other hand, Eboni *assumed* that someone was indicating a "lower-class" upbringing based on using vulgar sexual terms. Nobody said that it was indicative of that. She possibly was just projecting. Here are people (just like everyone) composed of every life experience that they've ever had trying to explain perspectives in a 10 minute convo. That's going to be loaded. The sad part is that it was a convo being had because Leah just COULDN'T wrap her head around why saying "pu&&y, fat co**, etc" in front of a 65 yr old woman who repeatedly asked her to stop was NOT OK! Even Ramona tried to understand by saying "she's going through a lot. Her grandmother is dying." Ramona was (dare I say?) rational here.  LuAnn's ego is unmatched since the beginning of her time on RH & probably before.  It's probably why she gets so excited about new love interests. Because they worship her based on that new lust until it dies out. But I digress. Lu needs to feel superior in "education" & class at all times. It tells a lot about how she feels in the group.  She pities the others. She is the "smart, stable" one in her view.  Eboni threatened that to her. 

Because it bares repeating: If someone asks you not to speak vulgarly in front of them, you don't need reasons or excuses from them JUST STOP. the end.

[CainF]

Leah, whatever 'sex-positive' is, it's definitely not talking about eating ass at the dinner table. It is crass and low-class. Talk about that s**t with the man or woman you're about to have sex with.  

Leah's reboot of Bethenny is a failure, a shame because last season she started off refreshing and enlightening.  Ramona is right - Leah only talks about sex.  It's tiresome and not edgy.  

[Boo Boo]

1 hour ago, CainF said:

Leah, whatever 'sex-positive' is, it's definitely not talking about eating ass at the dinner table. It is crass and low-class. Talk about that s**t with the man or woman you're about to have sex with.  

Leah's reboot of Bethenny is a failure, a shame because last season she started off refreshing and enlightening.  Ramona is right - Leah only talks about sex.  It's tiresome and not edgy.  

Somehow Sonja Morgan, who talked at a Hamptons dinner party about her amazing vagina, is a-okay with Ramona. 

I'm not a fan of Leah, but I don't hate her either.  It amazes me though that Bethenny was absolutely worshipped and she's vulgar.  Both Sonja and Bethenny had meltdowns out the ass.  Why is their vulgarity okay?  [Edit, my comments are general you not directed to you!]

I agree that Leah shouldn't be so one-note and she should tone it way down.  I am no prude but got tired of Sonja's vulgarity too.  In my mind, there's definitely a lot of hypocrisy on whose vulgarity is high humor, whose sex talk is totally fine, and whose isn't.    I think it revolves around economic status and not fitting in with their status.

Edit -- I also sympathize with Leah's antics and breakdowns this trip due to what her grandmother is going through.  I'm not sure if she would've been able to visit her grandmother during this time anyway.  And it would be pretty terrifying to think of your grandmother as not being able to communicate.  I'd be having major anxiety attacks if I had been her.  

Edited June 3, 2021 by Boo Boo

[RedInk]

I think it’s important to be mindful of the connotations of specific words, and I always want my friends to feel comfortable and welcome, but I’ll admit I would have used “angry” without a second thought (directed toward anyone, of any race). Is that ignorant of me? Maybe? But I worry that if we constantly run our thoughts through the filter of what might be potentially triggering for a specific person, we cease to see people as individual human beings and instead as a group. How is that better? You’d have a hard time having an authentic conversation, and you would be reducing a person to his or her race. There are many words I will never use because they are offensive in ANY context, but something like “angry” applies to anyone. I think she was frustrated more than angry, but it wasn’t a totally crazy application. Leah is fucking certifiably crazy; that’s why no one called her angry. She’s past that. 

Everyone was disappointing in this conversation. Lu is a horrible snob, and the only thing she can hold over anyone’s head is her “education,” which is code for an extra special kind of classism because it requires extreme wealth. You’ve been to law school, but have you been a member of the lower aristocracy? She thinks not! Lu’s pretensions, which includes her mangled Franglish, are really all she’s got. And she’s all downhill from here. Notice when Eboni graciously brought up Lu’s nursing degree, Lu swatted it away. She doesn’t give a shit about the education anyone can get.  But on the other hand, saying, “I’m the most educated person here” is also a little cringey because even if it’s a fact, it’s not very polite. I was always told it’s crass to say you’re the prettiest, richest or most educated; it makes people uncomfortable and is always apparent anyway. 

Edited June 3, 2021 by RedInk

[SoCal4Us]

Although I get that sensitive discussions can be meaningful and enlightening, and a lot of us are already having those discussions in our real world, I watch the "Real" Housewives to enjoy a silly and fun escape for 45 minutes.

Yes I know that I can decide not to watch. I was so looking forward to NY and then to be so disappointed and stressed out during a stupid TV show, I'm not sure it's even healthy to watch anymore. 

Does anyone know the ratings?

 

 

[chlban]

15 minutes ago, SoCal4Us said:

 

Does anyone know the ratings?

 

https://tvdeets.com/ratings/tuesday-may-4-2021/

 

[65mickey]

Season 13 premier is the lowest rated premier in the RHOF NY history?  It was actually beat out by a show about 5 annoying kindergarteners. Way to go Bravo for putting on this crapfesst.

[chlban]

3 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

Season 13 premier is the lowest rated premier in the RHOF NY history?  It was actually beat out by a show about 5 annoying kindergarteners. Way to go Bravo for putting on this crapfesst.

I won't be surprised if they drop further. I will only be watching on DVR so I can FF through most of Leah, worst housewife in the franchise.