S11.E02: Two Truths and a Lie

[RealHousewife]

6 minutes ago, chlban said:

In my experience, the people that never want to discuss race are the racists. I would like to be wrong about Sutton because up until now, I really had no major issue with her. But her knee jerk and extreme reaction to a completely organic conversation about race makes me think I am spot on. If you aren't in the mood for whatever turn the conversation takes, excuse yourself to go do something. Who the hell is she to insist what may, or may not, be discussed?  Unless a whole lot was edited out and there is some other explanation, Sutton can F-off along with Kyle, Dorit, Lisa, Erika and probably Kathy. 

I wasn't sure whether or not to go there because I also liked Sutton until now and hope we're wrong, but that's been my experience too. (Either never wanting to discuss race or ALWAYS bringing up race and saying it's others who need to shut up about it.) The people who hate for minorities to share their experiences, feel attacked hearing about them, and jump to well we all have stereotypes, yeah racists. I'm hoping there's more to it, because otherwise, I'm really disappointed in Sutton.

First Kameron Westcott let me down, now Sutton! I'm running out of Housewives I like. 

[Persnickety1]

The irony of Erika showing up in an orange jumpsuit to go Tahoe was quite rich.  

I doubt a prison-issued orange jumpsuit would will be so well fitted, though.  

[janiema]

1 hour ago, eelpout said:

hmm, the brown hills in the background looked more like RNO to me, but I could be wrong.

and that jet was not small Garcelle. :)

I thought it might be Reno or perhaps an executive airport in Nevada. It was definitely not the Lake Tahoe airport.

[Hiyo]

I wouldn’t be surprised if it was Lake Tahoe airport, since that is the closest airport to where they were staying.

[Koalagirl]

21 hours ago, FlyingEgret said:

Kathy doesnt know how to plug in a fan??? 

Without her contacts she probably couldn’t see the holes in the outlet.  

[Cosmocrush]

1 hour ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

Crystal vs Sutton...hmm.  Sutton did react oddly..but Crystal also came across as calculating.  I'll be interested to see how this plays out as the season continues

And I'm totally there for it!   Seriously Sutton, no one is attacking middle-aged white Southern women with concrete blocks on the street.   STFU and listen or if you can't be bothered to listen then excuse yourself from the conversation.  

Edited May 27, 2021 by Cosmocrush

[Slakkie]

3 hours ago, For Cereals said:

It was a good discussion but I laughed out loud when Kyle’s response was essentially, “I wasn’t making the comment to hurt you with racism, I meant to hurt you in another way because you came for my family.”

The thing is that most people who have not suffered discrimination do not understand that.  The thing is Garcelle knew it was not racial but I feel she needed the reaction from Kyle for Kyle to get it.  The truth is Kyle is an asshole not a bigoted I think she got it.

[Mar]

From Sutton’s Instagram

 

[Mar]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CPZLxpNlRxR/
😂😂

[Thumper]

43 minutes ago, Mar said:

From Sutton’s Instagram

 

I am pleased to see this, because I, too, was disappointed in Sutton.  Honestly, didn’t any of them read about this issue in the past year???? 

[Slakkie]

4 minutes ago, Thumper said:

I am pleased to see this, because I, too, was disappointed in Sutton.  Honestly, didn’t any of them read about this issue in the past year???? 

My guess is that until she SAW it she did not realize how bad it looked.  She may be a dingbat but she is not nasty and she looked a bit Mean Girl-is.

[JD5166]

Kyle HAD to cook dinner because she’s sooooooo perfect, perfect mom, perfect wife, perfect nose, perfect COOK! Ugh. Also stop walking on counters with bare feet, Kyle! It’s like she was raised in a damn barn. 

These pre-prepared two truths and a lie were  bit too thought out, Erica, we get it you’re soooooooooooooo cool and mysterious! Ohhhhh the MOB!  Riiiiight.....

[Kat5]

If bringing up race is going to be the storyline, I have no interest in this show. Enough is enough.

[tvfanatic13]

I am really liking Kathy. Never thought I would. 

[njbchlover]

9 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

I don't want to see her response.  I don't want to see the women argue about race, I don't want to see them argue about abortion or the conflict in the Middle East.  I don't need Sutton's opinion or Kyle pretending to "learn."  Are people actually wanting this on this show?  They are foolish wealthy idiots and I watch to laugh at them pretend to be something they are not.  I don't care what they have to say on any "issues."  Am I the only one?

Nope, nope, and nope - you are NOT the only one!  While I completely understand the recent change of debates and discussions on these shows, I just don't want it shoved down my throat by less than aware housewives.  I can get all of that on news channel discussion shows, which I prefer.

I want to be entertained.  I want house porn, wardrobe porn, silly spats about who said what and how they said it.  

ETA:  Sadly, I feel that most of these women would never even have a thought or care about these things if there was not a person of color on the show with them.

Edited May 28, 2021 by njbchlover

[dmeets]

How the heck was Sutton’s relationship with Crystal strained at that point? Woman, please.

[goofygirl]

Listen, I'm a Texas girl born and raised.  I want US to be represented in a better way.  We're not all yahoos.  I was just kinda hoping Sutton could carry that water. NO!

Showed her dumbass, couldn't shut up, couldn't LISTEN, couldn't LEARN.

For all Kyle's bullshit, I think she actually LEARNED from Garcelle in their convo.  Think she still would have done it; just used another excuse... But she acted like she underSTOOD.

So... there's that.

[princelina]

22 hours ago, For Cereals said:

I was getting that too and she has a similar speech pattern/affect as Caitlin which was also similar to Carrie Fisher.

Yeah I think it's some kind of botox/plastic surgery-induced lisp.

 

20 hours ago, MrsWitter said:

 

Since Paris now insists that she really did know what Walmart was, I think playing dumb might be a Hilton party trick! 
 

https://www.vice.com/en/article/53nvp3/paris-hilton-profile-2015-19-fragrances-and-counting-heiress

Ya think?  I guess maybe Jessica Simpson also knows that tuna isn't chicken 🙄

 

11 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

I don't want to see her response.  I don't want to see the women argue about race, I don't want to see them argue about abortion or the conflict in the Middle East.  I don't need Sutton's opinion or Kyle pretending to "learn."  Are people actually wanting this on this show?  They are foolish wealthy idiots and I watch to laugh at them pretend to be something they are not.  I don't care what they have to say on any "issues."  Am I the only one?

You are not.  That's why they annoy me with the wearing of the mask as they walk from the car to the front door.  If I want to see people in masks I can go to the grocery.

 

55 minutes ago, goofygirl said:

For all Kyle's bullshit, I think she actually LEARNED from Garcelle in their convo.  Think she still would have done it; just used another excuse... But she acted like she underSTOOD.

 

I thought Kyle behaved very well during that conversation - but she even admitted she didn't need another excuse - "if we had been getting along I wouldn't have said it!"  😄

That being said - Garcelle had bid at her auction, and in fact hadn't paid her bill.  And "they had an old address" doesn't work as an excuse; when you buy something at a charity auction they don't try to guess your contact information based on where they think you might live; you give it.  And in this day and age it's email and phone number, not an address.  I'm not "stereotyping" her, it's just what happened.  And I can see Kyle throwing the nonpayment in the face of any woman she was displeased with, which is why I think she was very gracious in response to being called a racist on tv.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Kyle 

Not Kyle 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Erika’s voice is just terrible.

 

 

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Erika’s voice is just terrible.

 

 

FTFY. 😃

[hoodooznoodooz]

Why do you think Kathy is wearing all the T-shirts with affirmations?

[hoodooznoodooz]

6 hours ago, Slakkie said:

The thing is that most people who have not suffered discrimination do not understand that.  The thing is Garcelle knew it was not racial but I feel she needed the reaction from Kyle for Kyle to get it. 

Just wondering: shouldn’t Kyle understand because she has probably experienced sexism and misogyny? Not trying to start an argument. I was just thinking about the possibilities. 

[Kiki777]

Kyle’s new nose is... not good.  However, it suits her.  It makes her look kinda mean, and a mean girl is what she truly is on the inside.

It hurt my soul to see all that salmon burned and wasted.

I like Crystal and Kathy so far.  Kathy is super weird and I see a lot of Kim in her - the fun quirky ‘I love turtles’ Kim, not the toxic mean side.

[Baltimore Betty]

5 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Why do you think Kathy is wearing all the T-shirts with affirmations?

I noticed her shirts too, considering she has the money to wear designer clothing I thought it was an odd choice.

[chlban]

17 hours ago, Persnickety1 said:

The irony of Erika showing up in an orange jumpsuit to go Tahoe was quite rich.  

I doubt a prison-issued orange jumpsuit would will be so well fitted, though.  

I think either the producers or the editors, probably both, really, really hate Erika.

[chlban]

14 hours ago, Mar said:

From Sutton’s Instagram

 

They had a "strained" relationship at the time? Granted, I may have missed that, I only half watch these days, but I thought they barely met each other? It usually takes these women a tiny bit longer to hate each other. Me thinks she got some major blow back. On the positive side, I was only here to see Erika crash and burn, but now  I am interested in how this plays out. Two points of interest is amazing. Last year the whole season was horrible.

Edited May 28, 2021 by chlban

[Chloecat]

If I went to a fancy vacation house and had a private chef I would be so annoyed to have someone insist on cooking and giving me burnt fish and bland pasta. I want a gourmet chef inspired feast! Also we know full well none of those women would eat pasta.

[HotHW]

22 hours ago, heatherchandler said:

I don't want to see her response.  I don't want to see the women argue about race, I don't want to see them argue about abortion or the conflict in the Middle East.  I don't need Sutton's opinion or Kyle pretending to "learn."  Are people actually wanting this on this show?  They are foolish wealthy idiots and I watch to laugh at them pretend to be something they are not.  I don't care what they have to say on any "issues."  Am I the only one?

I'm right there with you! I've got another episode in me and then I'm done. I'm not a fan of Rinna but I'm already sick of Garcelle coming at her to educate her/question her/doubt her. What more do you want the woman to do? She apologized, she said she would try to be better, she acknowledged she was an asshole. But for some reason, Garcelle (with her admitted gift of gab) couldn't get a word in so now she's back to complain some more.

And I'm sorry but promising a charity money and then not delivering on your promise is not a race thing, it's an asshole thing. And Kyle should call out anybody who is also on this show who did that. I'll believe it was more sinister when we find out Dorit, or Lisa also promised money and didn't pay but only G was called out. Till then, Garcelle should take a page from Rinna's book and apologize and shut up about it. She's embarrassing herself bringing it up so much after the fact. 

Her attempt to be more relevant is boring me. I thought last season she was a total bore so I'm not sure how/why Bravo thought when cleaning house she was one to keep. Although shes better than Brandi so there's that. 

[eleanorofaquitaine]

1 hour ago, chlban said:

They had a "strained" relationship at the time? Granted, I may have missed that, I only half watch these days, but I thought they barely met each other? It usually takes these women a tiny bit longer to hate each other. Me thinks she got some major blow back. On the positive side, I was only here to see Erika crash and burn, but now  I am interested in how this plays out. Two points of interest is amazing. Last year the whole season was horrible.

Right? It kind of feels like their relationship became strained because of this incident. Because otherwise, they didn't seem to interact enough in two episodes to have a "strained relationship."

Also WRT Garcelle and Kyle - I am reposting something I posted yesterday with permission from @Door County Cherry.

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I think teachable moments - even from crappy reality shows based on rich women dressing up and going to dinner in different locales - are valuable. I found the moment between Garcelle and Kyle quite refreshing and a model, even a very small one, for how people of different backgrounds can discuss difficult issues without rancor or defensiveness. Clearly YMMV but teachable moments come in all forms. That's why they're called teachable moments. 

 

[Shannah Banana]

16 hours ago, JD5166 said:

Kyle HAD to cook dinner because she’s sooooooo perfect, perfect mom, perfect wife, perfect nose, perfect COOK! Ugh.

Agree, but what did she really "cook" except very burned salmon?  Mostly, she just barked orders at the help (can I say that?) and rushed around a lot, looking like she was doing something, but in reality she didn't cook squat.  I was actually surprised she went ahead and served that burned mess that nobody ate. 

[Cosmocrush]

19 hours ago, Slakkie said:

My guess is that until she SAW it she did not realize how bad it looked.  She may be a dingbat but she is not nasty and she looked a bit Mean Girl-is.

Or she just got lots of blowback ; I've certainly dumped on her this thread. 

I don't know that Sutton's not nasty or a Karen.  We barely saw her last season and anyone would look nice next to Rinna who was sucking up all the scenery.   

The way she jumped in to cut Crystal off and announce she didn't want to hear any stories about racial stereotypes because she's been a "victim" too seemed way too natural for her.   The Beverly Hills bubble has been broken with the addition of Garcelle and Crystal and I could not be happier.  About time. 

It's going to take more than an after the fact post on Instagram to convince me.

[TattleTeeny]

On 5/27/2021 at 9:37 AM, mytmo said:

Please oh please let a bear show up

I personally would be shoving people out of the way to get a bear room. And then I'd sit near the slider all night with cocktails, hoping to see one.

[SemiCharmedLife]

34 minutes ago, Cosmocrush said:

Or she just got lots of blowback ; I've certainly dumped on her this thread. 

I don't know that Sutton's not nasty or a Karen.  We barely saw her last season and anyone would look nice next to Rinna who was sucking up all the scenery.   

The way she jumped in to cut Crystal off and announce she didn't want to hear any stories about racial stereotypes because she's been a "victim" too seemed way too natural for her.   The Beverly Hills bubble has been broken with the addition of Garcelle and Crystal and I could not be happier.  About time. 

It's going to take more than an after the fact post on Instagram to convince me.

I agree.  Many people were pro-Sutton, based on her not being as horrible as the others last year (same with Dorit).  But, we really don't know that much about who she is.  Hopefully, she learned a valuable lesson from this.  Goodness knows, we need some positive people to root for on this show!

[Baltimore Betty]

35 minutes ago, Cosmocrush said:

The way she jumped in to cut Crystal off and announce she didn't want to hear any stories about racial stereotypes because she's been a "victim" too seemed way too natural for her. 

Maybe Sutton didn't want to have to defend herself when there was no reason to have to, at that moment they were chatting about a different situation the Crystal says she has been stereotyped, etc...Sutton has not offended her in anyway up to that point then it seemed that Crystal wanted an apology from Sutton for things that Crystal had to deal with...it was misplaced anger toward Sutton and she tried to shut it down.

I have had my share of bias, nasty comments, and exclusion but I am not picking a fight or demand that someone that had nothing to do with it apologize.  

The racial issues are real but I want to see the real estate porn, the jewelry, clothes, cars, all the trappings that I don't deal with on a daily basis, the news is full of horrific things, can't we all have just one nice thing without having to deal with real reality?

 

[Hiyo]

“Maybe Sutton didn't want to have to defendherself when there was no reason to have to, at that moment they were chatting about a different situation the Crystal says she has been stereotyped, etc...Sutton has not offended her in anyway up to that point then it seemed that Crystal wanted an apology from Sutton for things that Crystal had to deal with...it was misplaced anger towardSutton and she tried to shut it down.”

But Sutton had no reason to bring up the points she did. Crystal was mentioning her own experiences of being stereotyped and Sutton jumped it and tried to shut it down, even though Crystal wasn’t saying anything about Sutton.

[chlban]

1 hour ago, Cosmocrush said:

Or she just got lots of blowback ; I've certainly dumped on her this thread. 

I don't know that Sutton's not nasty or a Karen.  We barely saw her last season and anyone would look nice next to Rinna who was sucking up all the scenery.   

The way she jumped in to cut Crystal off and announce she didn't want to hear any stories about racial stereotypes because she's been a "victim" too seemed way too natural for her.   The Beverly Hills bubble has been broken with the addition of Garcelle and Crystal and I could not be happier.  About time. 

It's going to take more than an after the fact post on Instagram to convince me.

Totally agree on all points.

[Ms Blue Jay]

Was Kathy never a part of this show before?  I only started watching this show when Denise joined.

7 hours ago, Chloecat said:

If I went to a fancy vacation house and had a private chef I would be so annoyed to have someone insist on cooking and giving me burnt fish and bland pasta. I want a gourmet chef inspired feast! Also we know full well none of those women would eat pasta.

Really good point here!!!!  Also, those women could eat Kyle's "cooking" (?) any time!!!  Why on vacation in Lake Tahoe?  Put your feet up -- no, not on the counter -- and just relax, Kyle.

Edited May 28, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Ms Blue Jay]

5 hours ago, Shannah Banana said:

Agree, but what did she really "cook" except very burned salmon?  Mostly, she just barked orders at the help (can I say that?) and rushed around a lot, looking like she was doing something, but in reality she didn't cook squat.  I was actually surprised she went ahead and served that burned mess that nobody ate. 

Did she even cut off the burnt tops?  I thought there were cancer-causing carcinogens in burnt food!  

[sistermagpie]

16 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Just wondering: shouldn’t Kyle understand because she has probably experienced sexism and misogyny? Not trying to start an argument. I was just thinking about the possibilities. 

She did understand when Garcelle explained it. Different bigotries present in different ways, so being a white woman wouldn't make Kyle see things the same way as Garcelle.

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Maybe Sutton didn't want to have to defend herself when there was no reason to have to, at that moment they were chatting about a different situation the Crystal says she has been stereotyped, etc...Sutton has not offended her in anyway up to that point then it seemed that Crystal wanted an apology from Sutton for things that Crystal had to deal with...it was misplaced anger toward Sutton and she tried to shut it down.

On the contrary, she wanted to defend herself so much she jumped in and did it when nobody had accused her of anything!

 

[Ms Blue Jay]

22 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

On the contrary, she wanted to defend herself so much she jumped in and did it when nobody had accused her of anything!

Exactly! Nobody was even addressing her period!  Crystal was speaking directly to Kyle and saying, Oh, I've felt that before, I've felt how Garcelle felt in that situation.  Here's how.  And Kyle was listening.

Then Sutton jumped in and started shrieking like a banshee!  It took a long time for Crystal to even realize WTF Sutton was doing because nobody was addressing her and it had nothing to do with her.

2 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Maybe Sutton didn't want to have to defend herself when there was no reason to have to, at that moment they were chatting about a different situation the Crystal says she has been stereotyped, etc...Sutton has not offended her in anyway up to that point then it seemed that Crystal wanted an apology from Sutton for things that Crystal had to deal with...it was misplaced anger toward Sutton and she tried to shut it down.

I read it as misplaced anger from Sutton towards Crystal.  Completely out of left field.

Edited May 28, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Kiki777]

8 hours ago, Chloecat said:

If I went to a fancy vacation house and had a private chef I would be so annoyed to have someone insist on cooking and giving me burnt fish and bland pasta. I want a gourmet chef inspired feast! Also we know full well none of those women would eat pasta.

Kyle probably hoped the carbs would bloat the girls up so she could look relatively thinner 😆

[J80134]

Kathy's lisp is common for people who wear full dentures. Botox and fillers make it more prominent. Kyle might be laughing at Kathy's big sister teasing now, but I suspect there will come a point when she gets butthurt.

Yeah Rinna, you be you...a big, stinking pile of dung.

Erika is such a poser. If "worked for the mob" means sucked a made guys dick, then maybe I believe it. 

Am I surprised that Sutton isn't woke? As shocked as I was that the sun rose this morning.

Dorito calling all the ladies "baaaby" in her best PK mimic is annoying and condescending. 

So far, the most interesting thing about Crystal is her husband's career.  It's too early to tell what dynamic she'll bring to the group.

I don't know if it will be a good season, but it can't be worse than last year....unless brandi drops by to tell everyone she hooked up with one of the ladies.

[Baltimore Betty]

2 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Exactly! Nobody was even addressing her period!  Crystal was speaking directly to Kyle and saying, Oh, I've felt that before, I've felt how Garcelle felt in that situation.  Here's how.  And Kyle was listening.

Then Sutton jumped in and started shrieking like a banshee!  It took a long time for Crystal to even realize WTF Sutton was doing because nobody was addressing her and it had nothing to do with her.

I read it as misplaced anger from Sutton towards Crystal.  Completely out of left field.

I guess I was not paying close attention and should re watch that scene but honestly sometimes these HW's just want to be pissy about something, anything just to have camera time.  

Crystal needs to have a story other than her husband has done a lot of Pixar movies, I hope we get to see more interesting things from her.

[Shannah Banana]

3 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Did she even cut off the burnt tops?  I thought there were cancer-causing carcinogens in burnt food! 

No, she just breezed though like they were the best ever, and none of her phony friends spoke their true truth and told her they were inedible.  Where is big mouth Rinna when you need her?

[Kiss my mutt]

 

The convo between Garcelle and Rinna was a big wtf for me with Rinna saying she couldn’t promise she wouldn’t use anything against her or something to that effect. I wouldn’t share a thing with that backstabber and I wouldn’t develop a relationship with someone that said basically, you can’t trust me. I’m sure Garcell has taken note. 
 

The only two lies and a truth answer that surprised me was Crystals! I’m curious to hear more of her backstory. Her clothing and demeanor would be great on NYC. 

[RealHousewife]

12 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Maybe Sutton didn't want to have to defend herself when there was no reason to have to, at that moment they were chatting about a different situation the Crystal says she has been stereotyped, etc...Sutton has not offended her in anyway up to that point then it seemed that Crystal wanted an apology from Sutton for things that Crystal had to deal with...it was misplaced anger toward Sutton and she tried to shut it down.

I have had my share of bias, nasty comments, and exclusion but I am not picking a fight or demand that someone that had nothing to do with it apologize.  

Based on such different posts about the conversation, and number of likes on each one, I was stumped how it seems the board is 50/50. It's like we watched two totally different episodes. I replayed the convo. They both interrupt each other a bit, but this is what I heard. 

 

Crystal: "From a perspective of someone who's not white, when it hits you from stereotypes, it can be so painful that you can't see anything else. I've had friends who've said things to me, Asian comments, stuff like that. Do Garcelle and I share the same exact ones? No."

Sutton: "No, there are stereo . . . I am sorry, I am not gonna do this. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not doing this. I'm gonna tell you right now!"

Crystal: "You're not doing what??"

Sutton: "I am not talking about racial stereotypes when I am . . ."

Crystal: "Well it's easy for you not to."

Sutton: "Um, see, this is why."

Crystal: "I'm sorry, that's not true, not true. You probably have a lot. Everyone does."

Sutton: "Why? Because what? I'm a southern white girl?

Do you want to talk about when I see dumbass rednecks on the TV?"

Crystal "Yes, I wanna know about that, yes."

Sutton: "and that's supposed to be me? I also have a stereotype, but I don't want to bring it up. We are educated."

Crystal: "That's insane"

Sutton: "We are traveled. It is not insane. It's called 2021."

Crystal: "Are you one of those people that don't see color? Tell me you're that girl. I don't see color?"

Sutton: "Are you serious with me right now?"

Crystal: "Is that what you're saying? Are you that girl? I don't see color?"

 

I don't think there's any disputing Sutton is the one who raised her voice and got upset first, so I included the whole conversation if anyone was referring to another part. I'm not trying to be snarky, but I genuinely don't see how Crystal picked a fight just sharing that racial stereotyping among friends can be painful. She didn't ask for an apology from anyone either. After dealing with the likes of Rinna and Erika, how did three softspoken sentences from Crystal that had nothing to do with Sutton trigger her? Her reaction was ridiculous and tone deaf.

 

12 hours ago, Hiyo said:

“Maybe Sutton didn't want to have to defendherself when there was no reason to have to, at that moment they were chatting about a different situation the Crystal says she has been stereotyped, etc...Sutton has not offended her in anyway up to that point then it seemed that Crystal wanted an apology from Sutton for things that Crystal had to deal with...it was misplaced anger towardSutton and she tried to shut it down.”

But Sutton had no reason to bring up the points she did. Crystal was mentioning her own experiences of being stereotyped and Sutton jumped it and tried to shut it down, even though Crystal wasn’t saying anything about Sutton.

 

Exactly. It's too soon for me to have much of an opinion on Crystal, and Sutton was actually a favorite of mine last season. I'm not writing her off just yet, but I still think she was totally  the one who got worked up and went all "I'm not doing this! I'm not doing this!" when all Crystal did was share that she's had issues with her friends regarding race. It was nothing against Sutton, and had zero to do with Sutton. 

 

10 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

She did understand when Garcelle explained it. Different bigotries present in different ways, so being a white woman wouldn't make Kyle see things the same way as Garcelle.

On the contrary, she wanted to defend herself so much she jumped in and did it when nobody had accused her of anything!

Yes. If every woman could place themselves in the shoes of another race, there would be no such thing as a racist woman. 

Yup. Who defends themselves before they're accused? And who shuts down an Asian woman discussing the different experiences of people of color when there's been all this racial unrest and 150% increase in Asian hate crimes? Really, Sutton? It is indeed 2021, and looks like someone hasn't watched any news in quite awhile. 

 

10 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

Exactly! Nobody was even addressing her period!  Crystal was speaking directly to Kyle and saying, Oh, I've felt that before, I've felt how Garcelle felt in that situation.  Here's how.  And Kyle was listening.

Then Sutton jumped in and started shrieking like a banshee!  It took a long time for Crystal to even realize WTF Sutton was doing because nobody was addressing her and it had nothing to do with her.

I read it as misplaced anger from Sutton towards Crystal.  Completely out of left field.

Crystal sounded genuinely confused to me too when she asked Sutton "not doing what?"

Totally. There would have to be some major editing tricks for Sutton's reaction to make any sort of sense. I'm really curious how this plays out. 

Edited May 29, 2021 by RealHousewife

[Hiyo]

To me, that conversation did highlight some of Sutton's insecurities. Yes, Americans from the south do get pegged and stereotyped, and not in a good way. I wouldn't be surprised if Sutton had to deal with people stereotyping her that way, given that she now lives in BH, and probably has to deal with even her friends probably ribbing her about where she is from.

Where Sutton falters is not realizing that for every negative stereotype about white southern people, there are plenty of positive depictions of them to counter that, and plenty of positive depictions of white people in entertainment and the media in general to counter that. Not so much for Black and Asian people in the US. And it's not like the stereotypes about southern white people could end up getting them killed...

I don't believe Sutton is racist per se, at this point I would probably file her under ignorant more than anything else.

[RealHousewife]

1 minute ago, Hiyo said:

To me, that conversation did highlight some of Sutton's insecurities. Yes, Americans from the south do get pegged and stereotyped, and not in a good way. I wouldn't be surprised if Sutton had to deal with people stereotyping her that way, given that she now lives in BH, and probably has to deal with even her friends probably ribbing her about where she is from.

Where Sutton falters is not realizing that for every negative stereotype about white southern people, there are plenty of positive depictions of them to counter that, and plenty of positive depictions of white people in entertainment and the media in general to counter that. Not so much for Black and Asian people in the US. And it's not like the stereotypes about southern white people could end up getting them killed...

I don't believe Sutton is racist per se, at this point I would probably file her under ignorant more than anything else.

I could definitely see that. I'm sure many people in BH compliment Sutton on having a cute accent, being kind, well-mannered and showing southern hospitality. But I know there are going to be snobs. Crystal even immediately apologized after she said "it's easy for you not to." She didn't dispute Sutton being stereotyped and said she'd like to hear her experiences, but Sutton wasn't having it. 

I particularly agree with the bolded. 

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5 hours ago, Shannah Banana said:

No, she just breezed though like they were the best ever, and none of her phony friends spoke their true truth and told her they were inedible.  Where is big mouth Rinna when you need her?

I didn’t see that; I saw her mocking the burntness.