S04.E05: Our Lips Are Sealed

[AZChristian]

1 hour ago, Ijustwantsomechips said:

Congrats on 50 years. That’s amazing!

Thanks.  That picture is six years old.

[hookedontv]

14 hours ago, PinkFlamingo said:

Has anyone noticed that the Geoffrey/Varya segments have been completely left out of all pillow talk episodes? That show is much more digestible for me. 

I've noticed too. And while Pillow Talk only shows certain scenes and reactions, as far as I know they've never entirely excluded a couple before. Some couples may get more Pillow Talk screen time depending on their storyline, but no one's been cut out entirely. Except for Geoffrey and Varya. 

This may be how TPTB are mitigating the viewers' uproar based on Geoffrey's past. 

[Colfrmb2]

So, some of these actors, unfortunately Americans, make me embarrassed for America.  That said, I am mesmerized by the whole premise of finding love over the Internet.  I want to duct tape Lisa to a folding chair so she can’t stomp off and force her to hear how horrible she is.  I really haven’t seen Usman, or any of his friends, lie, be trashy or show a glimmer of abusiveness.  They say Nigeria is the hot spot for international scammers and maybe they are scamming me too.  From last season, Mykul told lie on top of lie.  Usman, if he’s lying about anything, he is goooooood.  I cannot wait to meet the rest of his family.  

[Spike]

10 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

It's "let's."  A contraction for "let us."  I swear, is there a law that requires every meme (I think this is a meme) to have some sort of punctuation or spelling error?

They get points for using lying, which almost nobody does.

[AZChristian]

6 minutes ago, Spike said:

  10 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

It's "let's."  A contraction for "let us."  I swear, is there a law that requires every meme (I think this is a meme) to have some sort of punctuation or spelling error?

Love when Dr. Phil has catfishers on his show.  One interesting point that he brought up.  Catfishers sometimes send those first letters out with spelling and grammar errors.  If people not only respond back but never mention the poor spelling and grammar, the catfisher takes that as a hint that their target is already not very smart.

Interesting idea, huh?

[RealReality]

27 minutes ago, AZChristian said:

Love when Dr. Phil has catfishers on his show.  One interesting point that he brought up.  Catfishers sometimes send those first letters out with spelling and grammar errors.  If people not only respond back but never mention the poor spelling and grammar, the catfisher takes that as a hint that their target is already not very smart.

Interesting idea, huh?

It's interesting, but honestly, I don't think I'm a dummy but I blame spell check for a lot of errors so I probably wouldn't harp on grammatical errors too much. 

[AZChristian]

3 minutes ago, RealReality said:

It's interesting, but honestly, I don't think I'm a dummy but I blame spell check for a lot of errors so I probably wouldn't harp on grammatical errors too much. 

LOTS of my comments here have "Edit" notations about typos.  Yes, even I make mistakes.  LOL.  But some things (like catfish letters) are SO full of spelling and grammar errors that I would assume they were being written by scammers. 

Let's say "the widow of a government official in Nigeria" sent me a letter asking if they could deposit money into my bank account (for which I would be generously reimbursed).  (I've actually gotten this e-mail.)  The letter was full of grammar and spelling errors.  If I was stupid enough to overlook all those errors, they could well assume I was stupid enough to send them my banking info.  So I just don't respond.  Sadly, some people do.

[RealReality]

Just now, AZChristian said:

LOTS of my comments here have "Edit" notations about typos.  Yes, even I make mistakes.  LOL.  But some things (like catfish letters) are SO full of spelling and grammar errors that I would assume they were being written by scammers. 

Let's say "the widow of a government official in Nigeria" sent me a letter asking if they could deposit money into my bank account (for which I would be generously reimbursed).  (I've actually gotten this e-mail.)  The letter was full of grammar and spelling errors.  If I was stupid enough to overlook all those errors, they could well assume I was stupid enough to send them my banking info.  So I just don't respond.  Sadly, some people do.

See, I'd hope that even a well written communique from a "Nigerian prince in peril" would make everyone's spidey senses....but, I realize that I may be asking too much in a world where some guy drank aquarium cleaner to cure a presumed case of COVID 19.  

[Kangatush]

7 hours ago, Lily247 said:

 they really need to stop with the "taking Ashs son to the US" bs, I highly doubt the boys mom would be cool to let go of her 10 yr old son to be raised by Averyjuana in the US, I dont think Ash even has him half the time as is

Agreed.  It's not like they can argue he'd have a better life with more opportunities.  He already lives in a city in a developed country.

Edited March 24, 2020 by Kangatush

[RealReality]

5 minutes ago, Kangatush said:

Agreed.  It's not like they can argue he'd have a better life with more opportunities.  He already lives in a city inn a developed country.

Ash's brother seemed surprised and ash seemed evasive, so I wonder exactly what the nature of the conversations have been between Ash's and his sons mother.  

He could be another Sasha perfectly willing to be a Disney summer dad.  

[Kangatush]

1 hour ago, Colfrmb2 said:

So, some of these actors, unfortunately Americans, make me embarrassed for America.  That said, I am mesmerized by the whole premise of finding love over the Internet.  I want to duct tape Lisa to a folding chair so she can’t stomp off and force her to hear how horrible she is.  I really haven’t seen Usman, or any of his friends, lie, be trashy or show a glimmer of abusiveness.  They say Nigeria is the hot spot for international scammers and maybe they are scamming me too.  From last season, Mykul told lie on top of lie.  Usman, if he’s lying about anything, he is goooooood.  I cannot wait to meet the rest of his family.  

The only lie I see is Usman saying that he loves Lisa.  I think he likes her, and he's said her 70% is acceptable to him.  He's been very open about wanting to be in the US.  That was his plan, and Lisa is his way to do that.  Not a scam really, but not a grand love story either.  

[gavinmac]

1 hour ago, hookedontv said:

I've noticed too. And while Pillow Talk only shows certain scenes and reactions, as far as I know they've never entirely excluded a couple before. Some couples may get more Pillow Talk screen time depending on their storyline, but no one's been cut out entirely. Except for Geoffrey and Varya. 

This may be how TPTB are mitigating the viewers' uproar based on Geoffrey's past. 

That must be it. They want to minimize the Geoffrey controversy and not have him shown on Pillow Talk with other cast members saying "Did you see how angry he got at Varya for not staying at his hotel he seems a bit controlling hahahaha"

[gingerella]

9 hours ago, gavinmac said:

I agree. There's a much classier way to ask a woman to take and STD test.  You don't say "I notice you have 4,000 Facebook friends, and I assume you're a skank who has f*cked most of them, so for my protection, I want you to take an STD test."

You just say "I think it would be smart for both of us to get tested before being physical." 

He said he didn't want to do the test there, which was either a cop out, or he's one of these idiot Americans who thinks he'll get the AIDS from a dirty needle if he gets a blood test outside the USA.  In which case, he should have brought his own recent test results.  Even Pole got tested in Brazil, didn't he?

 

Yes to all the above! If Dumb Ed wanted to get tested he should have phrased it exactly as you said. "It's just the safe, smart thing to do nowadays, so let's go together when I get there." And then the big dumbass should have brought his own syringes. I work internationally and I always carry a blood-taking syringe and an injection syringe 'just in case' I find myself in need of medical attention in a place where I'm not sure about their safety protocol, it aint rocket science, it's just planning and common sense, two things Ed has zilch of.

[Kid]

3 hours ago, Kyanight said:

But it was SOOOO insulting that even though HE didn't want to be tested there - he expected ROSE to be tested there.  Doesn't he supposedly love Rose?  Why would you want to have a loved one do something you would not have done to yourself?

See, you hit the nail on the head with what is wrong with this whole scenario. He doesn’t love her and she doesn’t love him. They’ve known each other by computer for three months. Each one of them wants something from the other one that they can’t otherwise get.
 

They have absolutely nothing in common.  Not culture, not lifestyle, not language. If he ever saw where she lived, he would fade away in a dead faint.

And he does not want kids,  which he has yet to tell her.  

[Kyanight]

1 hour ago, AZChristian said:

Let's say "the widow of a government official in Nigeria" sent me a letter asking if they could deposit money into my bank account (for which I would be generously reimbursed).  (I've actually gotten this e-mail.)  The letter was full of grammar and spelling errors.  If I was stupid enough to overlook all those errors, they could well assume I was stupid enough to send them my banking info.  So I just don't respond.  Sadly, some people do.

Hmmm.  To make a point - If you sent a letter asking for help (as if!  But just play along) to someone in Nigeria writing in Hausa, Yoruba, Igbo, or Fula - how many grammatical errors might there be?  

I can't believe ANYONE falls for crap like that - but my father when he got older fell for every scam anyone tried to sell him on.  He was a highly educated (multiple advanced degrees) man with a corporate position when he was younger... but once he got older, he was fodder for any ridiculous notion.  The ONLY saving grace is that he died before the internet.

I think these scammers mostly prey on the elderly.

[Spike]

The first hour of the next ep is now available on demand.

[Atia]

On 3/23/2020 at 2:44 PM, AZChristian said:

But she TRUSTS him.  He even promised her he's never had sex without a condom.  

And if you look up "stupid" in the dictionary, there's her picture.

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by Atia
Wrong place

[Atia]

Just now, Atia said:

 

Ya her picture is scattered throughout the dictionary....delusional....rude....trashy.....abhorrent....

[BravoAddict72]

On 3/22/2020 at 10:33 PM, Lily247 said:

well, to start he is in his 40s and wears a backwards cap, screams " im trying to pass off as younger so college aged chicks would like me"

I love a backwards hat on a guy, no matter what age. I find it super sexy for some reason.

[NannyBails]

20 hours ago, Kyanight said:

My son has been nagging me to watch Parks and Recreation.  So far I have resisted, to his annoyance.  As far as I know, there are no rich repulsive screwing drinkers on the show who drawl.  (Are you liking the show despite it all?)

I LOVE PARKS AND RECREATION!  

[doglover3489]

On 3/23/2020 at 2:42 AM, Dobian said:

He didn’t say it but I suspect it’s because he doesn’t trust the clinics there to use clean needles. In which case, why are you making Rose do it?  He never should have demanded she do that unless he was willing to get tested himself.

Do they make home testing kits that can be bought at a pharmacy?

[Mrs. Hanson]

2 hours ago, RealReality said:

It's interesting, but honestly, I don't think I'm a dummy but I blame spell check for a lot of errors so I probably wouldn't harp on grammatical errors too much. 

Rumour has it I made a similar error......and I am a grammar geek special education teacher!

@Lily247 - my hubby is super chill.  When he sees a grown man in a backwards hat, especially in a nicer restaurant (when we could go!) he always has a comment.  Not a nice one, lol!!!

[bravofan27]

Ed is DEFINITELY a germaphob. He's totally like Paul in that way. Really nervous about getting sick. 

On the sneak peak (is this a spoiler? Not sure)

Stephanie needed alcohol to start kissing, not a bath or love. LOL. Been there.

David has a very "manager at Walmart or manager at Kroger" vibe with the baggy black pants and heavy soled black shoes.

Souja Boy is desperate to get out of Nigeria. I think he's a cutie and very sweet. And I think he isn't a celebrity (at all) but maybe a local celebrity, and LOVES the attention and idolization from Lisa. She's like his first groupie (with American money) and he digs it. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by bravofan27

[RealReality]

1 hour ago, Kyanight said:

Hmmm.  To make a point - If you sent a letter asking for help (as if!  But just play along) to someone in Nigeria writing in Hausa, Yoruba, Igbo, or Fula - how many grammatical errors might there be?  

I can't believe ANYONE falls for crap like that - but my father when he got older fell for every scam anyone tried to sell him on.  He was a highly educated (multiple advanced degrees) man with a corporate position when he was younger... but once he got older, he was fodder for any ridiculous notion.  The ONLY saving grace is that he died before the internet.

I think these scammers mostly prey on the elderly.

Im pretty gulliable, but I like to think it's the sign of an intelligent mind that can accept a world of possibilities.  

It's either that or accept that I'm a sucker.  

[Baltimore Betty]

I realized that the lyrics to Wings song, "Listen to What the Man Said," 

Soldier boy kisses girl
Leaves behind a tragic world
But he won't mind, he's in love
And he says love is fine

I cannot hear anything other SojaBoy, ugh.

[Lily247]

7 hours ago, Gobi said:

English as a second language is very common in the Philippines, even amongst the poor. Caloocan City, where Rose lives, is not a poor, backwater, village. It is a suburb of Manila, although it does have poor areas.

this is probably true. However, I cant believe that Rosemarie hasnt been doing "foreign love" as some kind of a hustle in some way before Ed. I also dont believe the "she wants kids with him" shtick

[BallisticNikki]

So was I the only one slightly charmed by Varya's retelling of the Russian fairytale about the arrow and the frog?

[kirklandia]

When my son boomeranged back home after college, watching Parks and Rec together on Netflix was how we bonded. We had time to watch every episode before he finally got a decent job and moved out.  I will always love that show!

[PinkFlamingo]

5 hours ago, hookedontv said:

I've noticed too. And while Pillow Talk only shows certain scenes and reactions, as far as I know they've never entirely excluded a couple before. Some couples may get more Pillow Talk screen time depending on their storyline, but no one's been cut out entirely. Except for Geoffrey and Varya. 

This may be how TPTB are mitigating the viewers' uproar based on Geoffrey's past. 

Agreed, I started to point this out without being too spoiler-y but I think they realize Geoffey is no laughing matter and were at least able to control the pillow talk edit post production. They should have cut him out of the main show too. 

[calpurnia99]

7 hours ago, BallisticNikki said:

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Are you sure they are their actual bedrooms at all? I don't think they are their bedrooms at all. Not everyone has a bedroom that would lend itself to filming a tv show (size, bed size, color of walls, style of furniture).

 

No I am not sure they are their actual bedrooms. They could be in a studio. They all look very, very similar, without actual variety of headboards people usually have and style of furniture and bedding etc.

They act like they are in their houses though, the way they run into the "kitchen" to get some food. But that's probably fake too. 

[Gobi]

31 minutes ago, calpurnia99 said:

No I am not sure they are their actual bedrooms. They could be in a studio. They all look very, very similar, without actual variety of headboards people usually have and style of furniture and bedding etc.

They act like they are in their houses though, the way they run into the "kitchen" to get some food. But that's probably fake too. 

I strongly suspect much of it is scripted, as well. I gave up on it after an episode or two, because I think the snark here is better (so maybe it isn’t scripted).

[Gobi]

2 hours ago, Lily247 said:

this is probably true. However, I cant believe that Rosemarie hasnt been doing "foreign love" as some kind of a hustle in some way before Ed. I also dont believe the "she wants kids with him" shtick

I would agree that Ed probably isn’t her first internet interaction. Yet it seems that only the Asian women are routinely accused/suspected of being prostitutes. The Hispanics and Eastern Europeans are called gold diggers, scammers, catfish, sluts, etc., but rarely prostitutes. The only exceptions I can think of are Juliana, which was justifiable given her work as a “yacht girl”, and Anfisa who was accused of being a cam girl, which is porn rather than prostitution. It has been stated as fact, for example, that Annie (of David and) was a prostitute without any evidence whatsoever.

End of rant.

Edited March 24, 2020 by Gobi

[toodles]

On 3/23/2020 at 9:13 AM, sasha206 said:

Poor Rose.  I feel l like the tears weren't about being asked for STD testing and her past, but because she's looking at that gross mother fucker and realizing her circumstances are so dire she might have to fuck that guy.

That guy is a vile, disgusting little toad.  He treated her like his private property.  Anything is better than he is.

[Spike]

3 minutes ago, Gobi said:

I would agree that Ed probably isn’t her first internet interaction. Yet it seems that only the Asian women are routinely accused/suspected of being prostitutes. The Hispanics and Eastern Europeans are called gold diggers, scammers, catfish, sluts, etc., but rarely prostitutes. The only exceptions I can think of are Juliana, which was justifiable given her work as a “yacht girl”, and Anfisa who was accused of being a cam girl, which is porn rather than prostitution. It has been stated as fact, for example, that Annie (of David and) was a prostitute without any evidence whatsoever.

End if rant.

Didn’t some people say Larissa may have been one?

[Lily247]

11 minutes ago, Gobi said:

I would agree that Ed probably isn’t her first internet interaction. Yet it seems that only the Asian women are routinely accused/suspected of being prostitutes. The Hispanics and Eastern Europeans are called gold diggers, scammers, catfish, sluts, etc., but rarely prostitutes. The only exceptions I can think of are Juliana, which was justifiable given her work as a “yacht girl”, and Anfisa who was accused of being a cam girl, which is porn rather than prostitution. It has been stated as fact, for example, that Annie (of David and) was a prostitute without any evidence whatsoever.

End if rant.

that brings up a point. I think that it may be the extremes age difference and attractiveness factor between the 2 of them combined with her mentioning severe poverty. None of the Fililina cast members on this franchise have struck me as having ever been prostitutes, though a couple of them have highlighted their extreme desperation to get out of poverty, which can lead to one thinking that they regularly "date" older foreigners who have a bit of money. I am also guessing that the Phillipines is a significantly poorer country than some of other ones on this show, which may lead to situations like Rosemarie sleeping with Ed, if not for money, then for gifts and shopping trips. 

There have been cast members from Southeast Asia who seem nothing like that (to me) - Noon from Thailand, Daya, the barbie doll from the Phillipines who went to AZ, 

Edited March 24, 2020 by Lily247

[nytonc]

On 3/21/2020 at 11:57 AM, iwasish said:

I didn’t have my glasses on and read this as “Lisa is pregnant”

Lisa and HugeAnge can fight over the one egg in HugeAnge’s dried up ovary. 

[gavinmac]

 

38 minutes ago, Gobi said:

I would agree that Ed probably isn’t her first internet interaction. Yet it seems that only the Asian women are routinely accused/suspected of being prostitutes. The Hispanics and Eastern Europeans are called gold diggers, scammers, catfish, sluts, etc., but rarely prostitutes. The only exceptions I can think of are Juliana, which was justifiable given her work as a “yacht girl”, and Anfisa who was accused of being a cam girl, which is porn rather than prostitution. It has been stated as fact, for example, that Annie (of David and) was a prostitute without any evidence whatsoever.

End of rant.

I did a lot of traveling all over the world as a middle aged white guy, with particular emphasis on Southeast Asia. There's just a much bigger "hooker scene" geared towards white tourists in Thailand and the Philippines than there is in Russia.  I've been to Russia 7 times, I'm not sure I ever met or saw a hooker. In the Philippines and Thailand, I would encounter dozens every night in certain parts of certain cities. 

There used to be a saying among "expats" in Thailand:  "There are two types of Thai women, hookers and women who would never talk to a white man."  That saying was probably never totally accurate, and certainly isn't accurate now with the advent of Facebook, globalization, etc.  But if I met a guy like David who told me "I went to a bar last month and met a much younger Thai woman and now she's my girlfriend" then I would certainly be very comfortable betting a large sum of money that she was a hooker. 

Davids in Thailand don't meet proper younger Thai women, and if they do, the proper young Thai women run from them.

Edited March 24, 2020 by gavinmac

[Gigglepuff]

I'm not picking on any poster here but "othering" abject poverty and impoverished living conditions and insisting that there's all kinds of opportunity here for all (in the US and Canada) if you just work hard enough totally erases the reality of many Indigenous people. Check out the living conditions on many Indian Reserves. Deplorable conditions with little chance for success exists right here in North America, sometimes only a few miles from relatively wealthy cities - we're not exceptional. It's 2020 and many reserves have life expectancy far below the average. 

[Christina]

17 minutes ago, Gobi said:

I would agree that Ed probably isn’t her first internet interaction. Yet it seems that only the Asian women are routinely accused/suspected of being prostitutes. The Hispanics and Eastern Europeans are called gold diggers, scammers, catfish, sluts, etc., but rarely prostitutes. The only exceptions I can think of are Juliana, which was justifiable given her work as a “yacht girl”, and Anfisa who was accused of being a cam girl, which is porn rather than prostitution. It has been stated as fact, for example, that Annie (of David and) was a prostitute without any evidence whatsoever.

End of rant.

Larissa, Juliana, and Karine are from Brazil and were all accused. There is photographic support but I don't think anyone other than Larissa admitted the allegations. Or, I suspect, Carmen admitted it while using Larissa's account during an argument with another prostitute in Brazil. You could usually tell it was Carmen because her English was a bit better but still not great. Prostitution is legal in Brazil, as long as you are over a certain age and not a pimp, so because Larissa had so many other faults, it was largely just dismissed as no big deal. 

Abby from Domincan Republic, Anfisa from Russia, Ashley(Jay) from US, Cortney(Antonio) from US, Maria(Caesar) from Ukraine, Jesse from Denmark, Cassia(Jason) and Jeniffer(Tim) from Columbia were also accused, with photographic support and screencaps from adult sites.

Nikki(Mark), Aika(Josh), Hazel(Tarik) and Annie(David) are Asian and have been accused of being sex workers. Hazel by Tarik and Dean. They were awful to her and are one of the reasons I couldn't watch Pillow Talk. I don't think there was much support there. Annie neglected to erase her old Facebook account, which had a lot of evidence supporting her working in the adult industry. In fact, she admitted it to his daughter on screen once. 

It's not a court of law and you can see the same thing as everyone else and decide it isn't "evidence whatsoever," or that it's only Asians who are accused, but I disagree, and that list is just off the top of my head.

Also, David didn't even try and pretend he wasn't a sex tourist who proposed to several women prior to Annie, all in an attempt to get on this show for the business he and Chris were trying to run. Chris, Nikki and their friend also said so, but they are as big of grifters as David so their words don't weigh much more to me than David, who admitted and bragged about it until he tried to recreate his personality for Pillow Talk.

Nearly all of the foreign half of the couples are coming here for a better life, and people who don't want the fifteen minutes of fame steer clear of this show, so we're not getting a huge statistical sample to judge or anything.

[Mrs. Hanson]

2 hours ago, calpurnia99 said:

No I am not sure they are their actual bedrooms. They could be in a studio. They all look very, very similar, without actual variety of headboards people usually have and style of furniture and bedding etc.

They act like they are in their houses though, the way they run into the "kitchen" to get some food. But that's probably fake too. 

I highly doubt they are in their own homes.  The lighting probably would not be sufficient, and the rooms all look alike.  Most importantly, if my hubs were on PT, no way would I allow filming in our bedroom!!  That is our bedroom!!!. We would be awesome, btw!!!!  All of us here would be great!!

[humbleopinion]

Betting they have a "set" in their homes an area designated and set aside for the filming...the couples have a bed set and the friends a couch set...

This way the professional studio lighting can be kept up for the duration of the filming, the camera distances are set up professionally before the episode is shot by a production crew.

The bed or couch areas were  professionally interior designed to look nice on the screen... no stained sheets (ick ick), sticky Kleenex, ancient lumpy pillows or incompatible decorating with patterns that bleed or undulate on the camera...

I like when their doggies make an entrance....

[Kangatush]

31 minutes ago, humbleopinion said:

Betting they have a "set" in their homes an area designated and set aside for the filming...the couples have a bed set and the friends a couch set...

This way the professional studio lighting can be kept up for the duration of the filming, the camera distances are set up professionally before the episode is shot by a production crew.

The bed or couch areas were  professionally interior designed to look nice on the screen... no stained sheets (ick ick), sticky Kleenex, ancient lumpy pillows or incompatible decorating with patterns that bleed or undulate on the camera...

I like when their doggies make an entrance....

I'll agree.  I think they are in their homes, just not their real bed rooms.  Every room is set up the same, no visible windows, exact same distance and angle to the TV...

[MajorNelson]

On 3/23/2020 at 12:44 PM, StitchPunk said:

I'm not sure why people keep calling them lesbians when they've both said that they're bi. That's not okay.

One or both are "bi but never tried."  Regardless, I maintain that if these ladies marry, as a wedded couple they would be seen as lesbians, no matter what they claim.  

[Ucross]

On 3/20/2020 at 11:51 PM, Kangatush said:

Question, Rose had nothing with her at the airport, and when they checked into the hotel, so where did her walking around town clothes come from?

She had a red backpack and small duffel bag. That's about what I would take for 4-5 days trip.

[OnceSane]

Back on topic, please.  Personal anecdotes belong in the Small Talk thread while Pillow Talk has its own thread where you can discuss particulars.  Thanks!

[Temperance]

19 hours ago, gavinmac said:

It's a fair question. She's very poor. She was impregnated out of wedlock in a very Catholic country by a man who did not want a relationship with her. She dates unattractive older American men online. She stayed at his hotel the night they met without shame.

I saw she has at least one tattoo, and there is a strong correlation in the Philippines and Thailand between tattooed women and hookers.

Her response to him insulting her was not just to cry and be sad, she looked at him with eyes full of rage, like she might get violent. She comes across to me as very "street."

Geoffrey did not like being interrogated by women. That offended him. I also find it bizarre that he meets Varya on an "international dating website" and then gets angry when he learns that she has chatted with American guys online.

Ed does not know enough about the Philippino/Thai cultures to know about if there are connections between tattooed women and hookers.  Ed does not seem to have tried to learn much of anything of her culture, her country, etc.  Ed does not seem to care much about her culture, etc. 

Ed supposedly has forgone sex for the past twenty years or so. I think he would need an STD test from any woman he was considering being intimate with, no matter what country or level of experience. He should offer to get tested himself. 

I didn't see any tattoos, but I might have missed them. 

[BallisticNikki]

4 hours ago, Gobi said:

I would agree that Ed probably isn’t her first internet interaction. Yet it seems that only the Asian women are routinely accused/suspected of being prostitutes. The Hispanics and Eastern Europeans are called gold diggers, scammers, catfish, sluts, etc., but rarely prostitutes. The only exceptions I can think of are Juliana, which was justifiable given her work as a “yacht girl”, and Anfisa who was accused of being a cam girl, which is porn rather than prostitution. It has been stated as fact, for example, that Annie (of David and) was a prostitute without any evidence whatsoever.

End of rant.

Abby from Haiti was dragged and accused of prostitution more than anyone. And from what I recall, she dumped both of her supposed johns and enrolled in college.

But really, there's only a thin line that separates all of those characterizations. All hint (or shout) at the same thing.

[gingerella]

4 hours ago, Gigglepuff said:

I'm not picking on any poster here but "othering" abject poverty and impoverished living conditions and insisting that there's all kinds of opportunity here for all (in the US and Canada) if you just work hard enough totally erases the reality of many Indigenous people. Check out the living conditions on many Indian Reserves. Deplorable conditions with little chance for success exists right here in North America, sometimes only a few miles from relatively wealthy cities - we're not exceptional. It's 2020 and many reserves have life expectancy far below the average. 

I wanna LIKE your post soooooo badly, but then I look at your avatar and well...I laugh...🤪

[RealReality]

4 hours ago, Gigglepuff said:

I'm not picking on any poster here but "othering" abject poverty and impoverished living conditions and insisting that there's all kinds of opportunity here for all (in the US and Canada) if you just work hard enough totally erases the reality of many Indigenous people. Check out the living conditions on many Indian Reserves. Deplorable conditions with little chance for success exists right here in North America, sometimes only a few miles from relatively wealthy cities - we're not exceptional. It's 2020 and many reserves have life expectancy far below the average. 

Could be me.  If so, do not feel bad about it or that you're picking on me because I don't see it that way.  

Your point is valid, in that I think it's incredibly hard to escape poverty in any country.  I only think it's easier to do so in this country.  But not that it's easy.  

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What a horrible person this Ed "person" is. She is poverty-stricken and obviously has a lot of self-respect. She got stuck with taking care of her baby and he is treating like her as a whore! YUCK!