2019 Auditions, Finals, and Training Camp Spoilers

[KickPretty]

5 hours ago, Booboo said:

Kashara would add so much to the show. She is funny, spot on and cute!! CMT needs to at least replace her with Melissa Rycroft, who comes across “drippy” on the show.

YES!  Can we replace Melissa?  Maybe bringing Kashara back CMT is moving toward that.  Let us pray! 🥬 🙏🏽  

[lkxydhfinl ghsdv]

1 minute ago, scorpio1031 said:

Yeah, the way Kelli's mind works, VK would have been #1.

As for the order they are announced, Jinelle was "the last member announced for show group this year" and she gets a hug from Amy T while sitting down, only to go up to join the rest of show group where Amy T is there to greet her, so...…..yeah, order means nothing:)

lol  True dat!!

[kerrieway]

On 9/4/2019 at 6:40 AM, GirlInFlux said:

Seeing this makes me wonder what is different now from back in the day. All things considered, 6 or 7 BGs on a squad of 36ish is pretty good. 3 is unacceptable to me.  I’d also like to see more BGs on the team without trying to fit into the DCC cookie cutter. I loved Robin’s hair, but Cersten and Khalyn both have nice natural curls that were always flat ironed or covered in a weave. I know they have a target market, but I also get a lot more attention when I have my hair in natural styles (braids, twists...etc) than when I have a long weave or straightened hair. 

Unpopular opinion 

It's because we're all so woke now. Modernity has brought some good things like not kicking your kids out the house for telling you that their gay but it has IMO also placed us at odds with each other.

As an older millennial I remember when Family Matters and Sister Sister and a half dozen other shows was just a part of normal/everyday American culture, though like me the characters were black. I think BGs were less boxed in then than they are now, they could try out for that "white team" without backlash from social media or having to worry about some ancient racist scandal that has to do with a team or larger organization and has nothing to do with them coming back to haunt them.

Also more and more girls have natural hair, which is healthy and great but with their schedule and outdoor dancing that would be an issue for a lot of natural girls. It takes a lot to maintain and I wouldn't be sweating at a dance studio a few times a week and then in the sun for hours every week and still be able to maintain without spending hours detangling, pre poo, and everything else in between. It would take forever and be another part-time job.

Also braids and twists would be a no, that much spinning and kicking could really hurt someone in the kickline, the hair flip alone with braids could slap someone hard in the eye. And lets not forget your scalp health, that yanking could cause traction alopecia.  

At the same times girls are getting more and more flack for not wearing natural hair. If they wear a wig or weave to braid down their hair and protect it, like Kat, they sometimes get criticism for confirming to European standards of beauty. Newsflash even the non-black girls conform to be a part of the team. When in Rome...ok you get it. Didn't Yuki or Yoshiko tan when everyone knows fair/white skin is the ideal in Asian countries? Haven't several of the girls got injections/nose jobs to be more appealing? 

The decline in BGs will maintain in my opinion...I think 3 or so black girls will now be the norm. 

[TxBex]

1 hour ago, 5678Pixie said:

This is a recent pix of her and this is one of the comments on this pix

talky_tina_

You dance circles around the #illigetimatedcc. Don't forget that. This isn't a real situation, it's staged for the benefit of a tv show. You are far more worthy than you're being given credit for. Chin up.

I really hope she's aware of all the support that she has for being treated so horribly. My heart broke for her as I watched this episode. I'm not so sure I could have put on a brave face and power through rehearsal. She knew going into the office that it wasn't about her dance skills. #teamjalyn

[dreamcatcher]

2 hours ago, Lily80 said:

Also just want to say that if Kelli cut Jalyn from Show Group because of some nonsense with VK, it's completely passive aggressive not to tell her why. If it's a punishment for some 'supposed' bad behavior (like Jenna being pulled as point and made to sit out for the HOF game), then freaking TELL her that. Otherwise, you're just creating an atmosphere of anxiety and distrust.

Yeah, then she would have to admit on camera that it’s suddenly not allowed for a veteran to help a rookie, something we’ve seen them do multiple times before and well, given that K&J aren’t always there and that Shelly and GLs run practices, it’s unavoidable. How are you going to say on camera that vets aren’t allowed to offer feedback anymore without sounding deranged? Only by saying that you don’t want your special snowflake specifically getting any negative feedback and well, Kelli is stupid for sure but not THAT stupid.

2 hours ago, Stee said:

1. I don’t think Kelli has any issues being cold, “mean,” distant or a “bitch” (though I hate word). She’s a boss and a manager. Not everyone’s management style has to be “sweet compassionate mom.”

But this episode she seemed .. passive aggressive and emotionally driven - projecting her thoughts on to Jalyns reaction. Going to the lockeroom or bathroom is not always toxic. It can also be sad. Or disappointment. 

2. There is definitely more to the story because there is nothing to explain why Jalyn didn’t make show group. The worst comment was that Kelli didn’t have any notes. The horror!  They even show Jalyn doing a beautiful backflip into a layback position. Even weirder, Jalyn fell flat on her behind last year and still made show group.  I wish @ShellyB would help enlighten us on this, but I suspect she will keep quiet.  It would definitely help squash the rumors and speculation if they had even just said “she’s lacking a charming charismatic personality on visits” or “she wasn’t available for a couple of appearances.”  Give us anything..  Help us understand!  I want to give the team the benefit of the doubt but this episode certainly didn’t provide anything to disprove the gossip and whispers.  And heck, tell JALYN while we’re at it.  She has the right to know.

Regarding your first point, that’s not about her management style. When you punish your employee for a stupid reason and then expect them to act like a robot, you’re just a crappy manager. Now Angela was kinda fairly called out because she let her disappointment affect her performance. Jalyn was perfectly supportive and just needed some time to collect herself and ten worked just as hard. Nothing toxic or unprofessional there to call out.  And well yeah, if you don’t have that basic level of compassion for your employees, you’re just a terrible manager.

As for Shelly, she’s already said that Jalyn got outdanced....

[EricaShadows]

Jalyn's being cut from Show Group and the lack of a reason as to why is perplexing.  If they'd given us a reason, any reason (but hopefully, a really GOOD reason) as to why Jalyn was cut, then we wouldn't have been talking about it nearly as much.  We would have watched for it, but the conversation would likely have been shorter and less in depth.  However, Kelli NEVER gave a reason as to the cut, not even to Jalyn, who deserved an honest answer more than we ever did.  This, and Jalyn's comment as to "Was it something I did outside of Show Group?" or something to that effect leads me to believe the story that Victoria was the cause of it more than ever. 

However, Kelli KNEW that any answer she gave besides the true and honest answer would NEVER be believed and if she said anything remotely close to the fact that Victoria doesn't like being critiqued, criticized or corrected (and it was rumored that Jalyn at least corrected her on something if not the other two as well), then it would only confirm that Victoria is essentially dictating at least some part of choosing who actually made the team depending on who she likes, dislikes or actively hates at any given moment.  Wasn't it said that they were actually looking at cutting Jalyn from the team entirely, partly (or completely) due to what led up to the Show Group cut, but didn't because of how it would be perceived?

If it was true that Jalyn got out-danced, then PROVE it to us.  Show EXACTLY why she got out-danced.  If they can't do that (which they SHOULD be able to do because the entire Show Group audition process was filmed), then it's likely she DIDN'T get out-danced, but a certain someone else did.  That, plus the storied situation with Jalyn supposedly correcting Victoria who then ran to her mom and Kelli upset about being corrected, was probably enough to give them a scapegoat.  As to what Shelly said about Jalyn being out-danced, didn't she also say something about the why being shown?  I understand she doesn't control the editing process, but to tell us it would be shown (if indeed my memory is correct) then it's not, makes a lot of people look bad and that they're trying to cover something up.

[ElenaFR]

Still calling BS on Jayln being out danced. J fell on her a$$ last year and still made the team. The incoming rookies are not better than her.  If she truly was out danced, where is the supporting footage? #jalyngate

[jlc]

7 minutes ago, dreamcatcher said:

Yeah, then she would have to admit on camera that it’s suddenly not allowed for a veteran to help a rookie, something we’ve seen them do multiple times before and well, given that K&J aren’t always there and that Shelly and GLs run practices, it’s unavoidable. How are you going to say on camera that vets aren’t allowed to offer feedback anymore without sounding deranged? Only by saying that you don’t want your special snowflake specifically getting any negative feedback and well, Kelli is stupid for sure but not THAT stupid.

Regarding your first point, that’s not about her management style. When you punish your employee for a stupid reason and then expect them to act like a robot, you’re just a crappy manager. Now Angela was kinda fairly called out because she let her disappointment affect her performance. Jalyn was perfectly supportive and just needed some time to collect herself and ten worked just as hard. Nothing toxic or unprofessional there to call out.  And well yeah, if you don’t have that basic level of compassion for your employees, you’re just a terrible manager.

As for Shelly, she’s already said that Jalyn got outdanced....

Maybe Shelly meant that we would see that she was being a scapegoat for Vicki to continue to be given anything and everything she wants, and that Kelli has once again allowed Vickie to tell her how to run her team!!!

Edited September 14, 2019 by jlc
To make more sense. Lol

[ClosetBachJunkie]

54 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

I think it was fairly cruel to feature Savannah so heavily in the episode saying "I hope...I wish..." -- only to not make it -- again.

IMO, the only reason they featured Savannah was so they could contrast her reaction to not making SG with Jalyn. "Oh, but poor Savannah wanted it SO BAD but is still congratulating her teammates..."

[rhofmovalley]

I still stand by my opinion...Kelli isn't so attached to Victoria because she's her best friend's daughter. Victoria is the daughter SHE wanted and didn't get. Her own daughter is cute but not at all DCC pretty or beautiful. She doesn't have the right figure. Victoria is everything Kelli wishes Sam was. But she can't admit that (maybe not even to herself), so she gets angry and defensive toward anyone who doesn't share her opinion that Victoria is the best DCC who ever DCC'ed. She can't handle her own truth, so she takes it out on others.

This is my opinion only. I have never spoken to anyone on the squad or on the show. This is just an impression I have from the way Kelli is behaving, which is way over the top if Victoria was simply her friend's daughter and nothing more.

[Dnst1973]

I don't believe Jalyn was out danced. There’s way more to the situation than we were shown.

Because Kelli didn’t specify, I think it’s a petty reason.

I work for a passive aggressive woman. She punishes me ALL the fucking time. I’m left wondering what I did. If I confront her she won’t say. It took me years to realize it’s about her and why should I fucking care. But it’s very demoralizing. It tears you down.

#teamjalyn #jalynwasscrewed #ihaveapottymouth

[nancy444]

4 hours ago, Pj3422 said:

Yep, she lost me a few years ago when Colby was a TCC. I wasn’t a Colby fan, but Kelli’s comments about her were straight-up junior high clique. Not the measured, thoughtful approach a good director should have.

I have to say that as much as Kelli is a mean girl, her impression of Colby was funny and spot on.  I couldn’t pinpoint exactly what it was about Colby that bugged me so much until Kelli mimicked her “peek a boo” during rehearsal.

I really did get a chuckle out of that.

The thing is, that level of sarcasm should be used very sparingly, and even then should be directed only toward a TCC that everyone already kinda agrees is super-toxic or otherwise non-self-aware.

You know, someone like VK.

[Opine]

Kells and TPTB knew that we heard the Jalyn/VK story.  Either they read it themselves or Shelly or TK/VK told her.  So she KNEW that unless we were given a better, believable story that we would all adjust our minds from it being a rumor to a fact.  They had time to give it some crazy edit and didn't.  So I am going with @Smplsimon and believing that it was a sign to the rest - be afraid, be very afraid.  VK/TK rule, and don't you forget it.

Also to whoever said VK was not her best friends child but her desired child....YES!  And we can throw a few others in there too.  Meredith, brocolli girl who goes to Univ of Tampa now, etc.

[Pinknblue]

TPTB? =/= The Powers That Be

Is now “The People To Blame”

(credit to a poster in the episode thread)

[lkxydhfinl ghsdv]

57 minutes ago, rhofmovalley said:

...the best DCC who ever DCC'ed.

I like that! lol

[Tuxcat]

4 hours ago, DCCFan197605 said:

Perhaps, but the other four are from the most talented class they’ve had.  Each has distinguished themselves being showcased aesthetically (Rachel W, Ashlee), praised for dance ability (Cici; Ashlee), and for leadership (Caroline ROY).  Caroline has also benefitted from weight loss and improved aesthetics.  She’s clearly talented as she’s KaShara’s pick for point.  

Is there any doubt that the lady formerly known as the teacher who gets confused with Molly was selected #18?

Here's the list. Rachel at 18.  Jalyn at 17 is scratched out. Alexis and Taylor over to the side. Question marks next Ashlee,  Cianna and also Amanda (Kelli had said she didn't have the kicks - yet she made it anyway). I assume VK name is under Judy's hand.

[IzzyEnd]

20 hours ago, Tootie said:

I enjoyed the part where KaShara picked who she thought would be a good point:  Amy! No, wait.... Maddie!  No, wrong again!  Caroline!  😄

I may be alone on this entire post but.......I absolutely love Caroline!!!! She should have been point over all others.....to me anyway. How did k ignore Kash's recommendation. To me she is far more glamorous and camera friendly.  Honestly it makes watching the pregame routine less fun. Geez, I give up.  I barely remember the episodes air most weeks. Blah.....at least we are seeing some of the suggestions from this board come to life. More side by sides, more dancing, more group interactions. One gripe, and this may have been hashed out weeks ago. But it rubbed the wrong way for Kelly to ask about TCs Ancesty results. Like what business of theirs is it. I smell need to claim diversity so desperately.

[Law Mom]

Eh, I find it hard to get worked up. I don't care who is on SG. Jalyn was understandably upset but running off and not coming back in time for practice isn't a good look. I do wonder what they didn't show in the office. Did Kelli give Jalyn details they did not show? Did Jalyn apologize for her behavior? Who knows? Who cares? The SG they have is good and that's fine with me, with or without any one particular girl. Jalyn wasn't bad but she wasn't anything special either.  Slightly above average dancer, below average looks, average figure, below average professionalism. That adds up to a big ... whatever. She won't be missed on SG and if she doesn't come back next year it won't matter.

Now Kat and Meredith? That's the real mystery of this show.

[Bellisima08]

19 hours ago, Stee said:

I have always loved Kelli and how she handles cutting the girls. I’ve always admired how articulate she is and specifically her choice of language - clear and concise. Not always good news, but honest news. 

Unfortunately this is the first episode in 14 years where something just felt “off.”  She seemed particularly upset with the whole Jalyn situation - even defensive. The fact that Judy had to explain to Kelli that there is a difference between “losing” showgroup vs not making show group shows how illogical and irrational Kelli is being.

If a girl wants to step into the locker room to cry or process her feelings, she should be allowed to do that. If Jalyn has remained in the room and teared up or started crying, would Kelli say that is unprofessional too?   What would be the better option?  Honestly, I think excusing yourself when the girls break is better than creating a scene in the dance studio. 

The show sets these girls up for such huge expectations - cuts every week, guest choreographers, fashion shows and photo shoots positioned as “tests”.. and then they are surprised when the girls react with emotion or disappointment.  You’ve physically and mentally exhausted these girls and the critique them if they don’t happen to be smiling or perky for four hours straight.  

This episode was particularly unflattering for Kelli. I hope she watches this in retrospect and recognizes her strange defensiveness and accusatory behavior towards Jalyn. You’d think she just lied to her about a doctors appointment or something!

Yes to all of this! Everything in this episode pertaining to show group was just a complete & utter mess. I was expecting to see some explanation of what we've been hearing went down, but if anything it just made me more confused. Now I don't know if this is due to poor editing or if this stuff wasn't being explained/covered during filming, but either way, it makes it all look very shady & unprofessional.

[Lily80]

23 minutes ago, Law Mom said:

Slightly above average dancer, below average looks, average figure, below average professionalism. That adds up to a big ... whatever. She won't be missed on SG and if she doesn't come back next year it won't matter.

Hard disagree with this. To each his own, but Jalyn is clearly one of the most technical dancers they have.

[go4luca]

32 minutes ago, Law Mom said:

Jalyn ... Slightly above average dancer, below average looks, average figure, below average professionalism. That adds up to a big ... whatever. She won't be missed on SG and if she doesn't come back next year it won't matter.

Add me as being another hard disagree on this assessment. 

Jalyn is a very strong dancer and that is what SG is all about: the elite technical dancers of the squad (as has been mentioned on the show numerous times).

[bwalker048]

Kelli makes me ill.  Especially when she does that little squinty snake eye thing, letting us know she's about to show us just how powerful she is. Her little amen corner makes me ill, too. It's all just effing annoying. And it's not pronounced Jay Lynn. It's Jalyn. 

[Opine]

36 minutes ago, Law Mom said:

Eh, I find it hard to get worked up. I don't care who is on SG. Jalyn was understandably upset but running off and not coming back in time for practice isn't a good look. I do wonder what they didn't show in the office. Did Kelli give Jalyn details they did not show? Did Jalyn apologize for her behavior? Who knows? Who cares? The SG they have is good and that's fine with me, with or without any one particular girl. Jalyn wasn't bad but she wasn't anything special either.  Slightly above average dancer, below average looks, average figure, below average professionalism. That adds up to a big ... whatever. She won't be missed on SG and if she doesn't come back next year it won't matter.

Now Kat and Meredith? That's the real mystery of this show.

Gonna have to disagree!  SG is built up by TPTB to be all that.  To be on it and then not?  Oh no, that girl had every right to be upset.  As others have said, she waited until everyone was up to move around anyway and then slipped out for a moment - just as she would have to take a quick bathroom break.  And then she quietly slipped back in.  Now, Kells, the eye-rolling, lip-pursing mean girl?  THAT was what was unprofessional.  Honestly Jalyn's looks don't appeal to me either.  But she was an awesome dancer.  And, she has the appeal of being naturally slim and unlikely to balloon out.   But they ran her off.....

[Holly85]

1 hour ago, Tuxcat said:

Here's the list. Rachel at 18.  Jalyn at 17 is scratched out. Alexis and Taylor over to the side. Question marks next Ashlee,  Cianna and also Amanda (Kelli had said she didn't have the kicks - yet she made it anyway). I assume VK name is under Judy's hand.

They were number 19 and 20 so they almost made it on sg 

[Tuxcat]

1 hour ago, Tuxcat said:

Here's the list. Rachel at 18.  Jalyn at 17 is scratched out. Alexis and Taylor over to the side. Question marks next Ashlee,  Cianna and also Amanda (Kelli had said she didn't have the kicks - yet she made it anyway). I assume VK name is under Judy's hand.

LOL, actually if you zoom into Jalyn's name, you can see it scratched out with something written in next to it. Is that a "VIC..." next to it?

[Jennv]

Just now, Tuxcat said:

LOL, actually if you zoom into Jalyn's name, you can see it scratched out with something written in next to it. Is that a "VIC..." next to it?

I was about to post the same. Since there are 18 names with one scratched out, someone’s name is written in there. Sure looks like it starts with a V

[EricaShadows]

5 minutes ago, Law Mom said:

Eh, I find it hard to get worked up. I don't care who is on SG. Jalyn was understandably upset but running off and not coming back in time for practice isn't a good look. I do wonder what they didn't show in the office. Did Kelli give Jalyn details they did not show? Did Jalyn apologize for her behavior? Who knows? Who cares? The SG they have is good and that's fine with me, with or without any one particular girl. Jalyn wasn't bad but she wasn't anything special either.  Slightly above average dancer, below average looks, average figure, below average professionalism. That adds up to a big ... whatever. She won't be missed on SG and if she doesn't come back next year it won't matter.

Even if Kelli gave her details they didn't show, I don't remember seeing anything about it on Jalyn's face or in her body language.  It seemed she was just as confused about why she was cut from Show Group when she left the office as when she went in.  I think the only part I agree with you on regarding Jalyn is that she was understandably upset.  She was upset and chose a moment where it would be the least disruptive to be by herself, take a deep breath and deal with the disappointment.  It would have been MORE disruptive to be upset surrounded by the other girls and have them distracted by trying to comfort her.  She probably wanted to be private when dealing with the shock.  I'm more disappointed with Kelli and how she dealt with it.  She seemed to think that dealing that kind of blow to a girl was no big thing and that Jalyn had absolutely no reason to be upset.  She also seemed to think that Jalyn should thank her for being kicked off Show Group.  I'm proud of Jalyn for taking a moment to deal with it privately then come back and jump right back into practice without seeming to let it affect her.  The only person who has a toxic attitude about the situation was Kelli. 

As for everything else you mentioned regarding Jalyn, I am in the hard disagree group.  She has a unique look even if she isn't the prettiest and is a strong dancer, one of the strongest on the squad in both technique and performance.  If you don't want the strongest/most technical dancers and best performers on Show Group, why even bother?  I certainly wouldn't classify Victoria as being among the strongest or most technical dancers, just the best connected. I personally would have chosen Shaina and Madeline S. to stay over Meredith and Kat, but again Kelli is blinded by looks instead of performance ability.

[scorpio1031]

2 minutes ago, EricaShadows said:

I personally would have chosen Shaina and Madeline S. to stay over Meredith and Kat, but again Kelli is blinded by looks instead of performance ability.

Well, you can't have two tall blonde legacies on the squad at the same time.

[Holly85]

13 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

LOL, actually if you zoom into Jalyn's name, you can see it scratched out with something written in next to it. Is that a "VIC..." next to it?

Yes it is 

[kerrieway]

28 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

LOL, actually if you zoom into Jalyn's name, you can see it scratched out with something written in next to it. Is that a "VIC..." next to it?

Absolutely is a VIC...wtheck...also Jalyn's name is circled which mean she was a pick for SG or in close contention! As far as I concerned the theories about her being replaced by VK are true...disgusting and disgraceful.

[ElenaFR]

16 minutes ago, Holly85 said:

Yes it is 

#jalyngate

[kerrieway]

1 hour ago, Law Mom said:

Eh, I find it hard to get worked up. I don't care who is on SG. Jalyn was understandably upset but running off and not coming back in time for practice isn't a good look. I do wonder what they didn't show in the office. Did Kelli give Jalyn details they did not show? Did Jalyn apologize for her behavior? Who knows? Who cares? The SG they have is good and that's fine with me, with or without any one particular girl. Jalyn wasn't bad but she wasn't anything special either.  Slightly above average dancer, below average looks, average figure, below average professionalism. That adds up to a big ... whatever. She won't be missed on SG and if she doesn't come back next year it won't matter.

Now Kat and Meredith? That's the real mystery of this show.

Others have already touched on her dancing skills. Below Average looks? That's going to be a hard no from me. I wouldn't even say average. There are/were less attractive DCCs and there were/are girls that were more stunning. However, she's a very pretty girl, the end. 

Edited September 15, 2019 by kerrieway
Added very...after reviewing her pictures, it's clear she's gorg.

[ElenaFR]

She is stunning. 

[jlc]

8 hours ago, JerseyGirl said:

I am done with this show. Season 13 was painful enough to watch with the blatant VK favoritism. I see it now in Season 14 but it’s backhanded favoritism. No way VK should have made SG over Jalyn. 

I feel the same way, but I also feel like VK was given one on one training all year so she would know the dances before auditions and training camp, and I also think judging by all the pictures of her that she is starting to put some weight back on. By seasons end,  I imagine those shorts are not going to look very good on her!

Just now, ElenaFR said:

She is stunning. 

I agree!!! 😊😊😊

[kerrieway]

2 minutes ago, ElenaFR said:

She is stunning. 

You read my mind.

[Opine]

1 hour ago, bwalker048 said:

Kelli makes me ill.  Especially when she does that little squinty snake eye thing, letting us know she's about to show us just how powerful she is. Her little amen corner makes me ill, too. It's all just effing annoying. And it's not pronounced Jay Lynn. It's Jalyn. 

A.  Thanks for the pronunciation guidance.  That was pissing me off too.

B.  She learned that squinty eyed crap from Charlotte - the queen of bitchy eyes.

[Jennv]

29 minutes ago, kerrieway said:

Others have already touched on her dancing skills. Below Average looks? That's going to be a hard no from me. I wouldn't even say average. There are/were less attractive DCCs and there were/are girls that were more stunning. However, she's a very pretty girl, the end. 

I agree. If Jalyn is an example of an average figure and below average looks, then I’m too ugly to live, apparently.

[TUOwl84]

6 hours ago, TinyHands said:

Unpopular opinion: Jalynn’s a great dancer, but she’s not attractive. She has weird, bulgy eyes. And she does too many weird sultry faces instead of a nice bright smile. Remember her rookie cameo? Hard pass. 

You can't go by last years cameo pictures...they're the worst!  Jalyn is gorgeous.  I've never seen her give a bad facial while dancing yet!

[lkxydhfinl ghsdv]

3 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

Here's the list. Rachel at 18.  Jalyn at 17 is scratched out. Alexis and Taylor over to the side. Question marks next Ashlee,  Cianna and also Amanda (Kelli had said she didn't have the kicks - yet she made it anyway). I assume VK name is under Judy's hand.

Apologies in advance:  "chart" to follow!

I think the numbers have more to do with the order that they auditioned... If you look at the groups: Victoria, Carol, Amy, Kelcey, Daphne & Amanda are together;  Ashlee's next to Maddie;  Gina's next to Heather;  Cici's next to Bridget; and Jalyn (who is scratched out with a possible "Vic..." written over it) is next to Rachel W.  Also, I zoomed in to one of the pages and the order on it is: Victoria, Carol, Kelcey, Amy, Daphne and Amanda. 

It's interesting that they started this list with Caroline, not Victoria, so that tells me that she was an afterthought---not initially picked.

Edited September 15, 2019 by Tootie

[Tuxcat]

4 minutes ago, Tootie said:

Apologies in advance:  "chart" to follow!

I think this has more to do with the order that they auditioned... If you look at the groups, Victoria, Carol, Amy, Kelcey, Daphne & Amanda are together;  Ashlee's next to Maddie;  Gina's next to Heather;  Cici's next to Bridget; and Jalyn (who is scratched out with a possible "Vic..." written over it) is next to Rachel W.  Also, I zoomed in to one of the pages and the order on it is: Victoria, Carol, Kelcey, Amy, Daphne and Amanda. 

It's interesting that they started this list with Caroline, not Victoria, so that tells me that she was an afterthought---not initially picked.

Impressive! So these are the attention grabbers in order of appearance. Not in order of ability. Yes, confirms Jalyn was originally written in as one an attention grabber. Then removed and Victoria added. Thanks tootle!

[5678Pixie]

7 minutes ago, Tootie said:

Apologies in advance:  "chart" to follow!

I think this has more to do with the order that they auditioned... If you look at the groups, Victoria, Carol, Amy, Kelcey, Daphne & Amanda are together;  Ashlee's next to Maddie;  Gina's next to Heather;  Cici's next to Bridget; and Jalyn (who is scratched out with a possible "Vic..." written over it) is next to Rachel W.  Also, I zoomed in to one of the pages and the order on it is: Victoria, Carol, Kelcey, Amy, Daphne and Amanda. 

It's interesting that they started this list with Caroline, not Victoria, so that tells me that she was an afterthought---not initially picked.

That is exactly what i was thinking that Victoria was not picked and then she took Jalyn's spot.  I want to know if Victoria went running to Tina and  tattled on Jalyn and then Tina went after Kelli.  What on earth does Tina have on Kelli that we need to know about?
 

[jlc]

6 minutes ago, Tootie said:

Apologies in advance:  "chart" to follow!

I think the numbers have more to do with the order that they auditioned... If you look at the groups, Victoria, Carol, Amy, Kelcey, Daphne & Amanda are together;  Ashlee's next to Maddie;  Gina's next to Heather;  Cici's next to Bridget; and Jalyn (who is scratched out with a possible "Vic..." written over it) is next to Rachel W.  Also, I zoomed in to one of the pages and the order on it is: Victoria, Carol, Kelcey, Amy, Daphne and Amanda. 

It's interesting that they started this list with Caroline, not Victoria, so that tells me that she was an afterthought---not initially picked.

@Tootie, I hope you were serious about the chart. Your charts, and you, are awesome and I miss your charts, spreadsheets, A LOT!!!

[Muckypup61]

The other heart breaker: Alexandra's small, desperate, "No, please, not again!"😭

[SanDiegoGal]

3 hours ago, Pinknblue said:

TPTB? =/= The Powers That Be

Is now “The People To Blame”

(credit to a poster in the episode thread)

From now on, I'll be using TIIC "The Idiots In Charge"

1 hour ago, Tuxcat said:

LOL, actually if you zoom into Jalyn's name, you can see it scratched out with something written in next to it. Is that a "VIC..." next to it?

I'd bet dollars to donuts that the 18 people listed were the selections from the judges panel. Then, Kelli had Judy make a couple of "corrections" (AKA - cut Jalyn & add VK).

[Law Mom]

Hey, we all have opinions. I think Jalyn is a very good technical dancer but also dull. The opposite of KaShara, if you will. She has a nice figure but so do lots of girls. I personally find her unattractive--her eyes are off and I think she is masculine looking. I don't know what she is like as a person but she gives off an unfriendly vibe to me. Purely subjective of course. I know many disagree but I don't give a hoot. My opinions are mine, yours are yours. Anyway, the people who hire SG don't care who is on it and neither do I, as long they do the job.

Edited September 15, 2019 by Law Mom

[ATLGirl]

2 minutes ago, Law Mom said:

Hey, we all have opinions. I think Jalyn is a very good technical dancer but also dull. The opposite of KaShara, if you will. She has a nice figure but so do lots of girls. I personally find her unattractive--her eyes are off and I think she is masculine looking. I don't know what she is like as a person but she gives off an unfriendly vibe to me. Purely subjective of course. I know many disagree but I don't give a hoot. My opinions are mine, yours are yours. Anyway, the people who hire SG don't care who is on it and neither do I, as long they do the job.

Yes, we all have opinions and I totally disagree with yours most of the time (especially in this case).

But there’s room for everyone here. It would get pretty boring if we all agreed all of the time. 

[lkxydhfinl ghsdv]

31 minutes ago, SanDiegoGal said:

I'd bet dollars to donuts that the 18 people listed were the selections from the judges panel. Then, Kelli had Judy make a couple of "corrections" (AKA - cut Jalyn & add VK).

One thing that stuck out to me was when Kelli said this--and I quote: "Thank you guys for your time and expertise. We really appreciate your professional lenses.  We'll go back and work through some of the strengths that we know some of these ladies bring to the table and announce this tomorrow."

IIRC, any other time the Show Group deliberations were shown, they seemed to imply that they knew who the final group was that night... they didn't always announce it that night, but they knew who it was and didn't have to "go back and work" it out!

[scorpio1031]

5 minutes ago, Tootie said:

One thing that stuck out to me was when Kelli said this--and I quote: "Thank you guys for your time and expertise. We really appreciate your professional lenses.  We'll go back and work through some of the strengths that we know some of these ladies bring to the table and announce this tomorrow."

IIRC, any other time the Show Group deliberations were shown, they seemed to imply that they knew who the final group was that night... they didn't always announce it that night, but they knew who it was and didn't have to "go back and work" it out!

Yes, we talked about this not long ago.  I want to say it was last year that they said they were taking everyone's suggestions to decide upon a team, when like you've said they usually have had an idea that night.  And the theory was that Kelli was going to find a way to fit VK in if she could.

3 minutes ago, Law Mom said:

Speaking of opinions, what do Jalyn fans think of this Instgram pic?

Looks like most action shots of the girls - hairography:)  

[Law Mom]

Just now, kerrieway said:

I think it's one unflattering picture and in no one indicative of her overall pretty looks. I think it's telling that there is only one picture in this post. If more people thought she was unattractive, as you do, I think they'd have no problem saying so and there opinions would be as welcome as any. 

Not talking about her attractiveness in this picture.

[omgtv]

Off topic re: SG/Jalyn

I am seriously confused about VK.   I mean, TK comes across on this show, even in just the few times she has been shown, as a horrible mean girl.  When she said that about Chandler I wanted to go through my TV and slap her. Maybe all of this is TK's doing and not VK???  VK just seems kinda goofy and immature??? 🤷‍♀️  

I work all day with kids (up to age 22) and some kids are so awesome when I am alone with them, but when the parent is there, it's all a nightmare.  One-on-one the kids usually realize their parent is being difficult?? Is it possible VK was just telling her mom stuff the way kids do and TK ran to Kelli and blew everything out of proportion?  I guess we will never know what really goes on. 

I also wish Kelli would just admit she has no judgement with VK.  Like- I would respect her more if she just said- VK is like a daughter to me, I will try my best to be impartial, but I love her??  Or something like that?? I don't expect Kelli to be a robot, but don't try to fool everyone into thinking there is anything fair about this whole process.  Just own it!