2019 Auditions, Finals, and Training Camp Spoilers

[lkxydhfinl ghsdv]

This picture of the Christmas uniform may help to clear things up....

[kerrieway]

26 minutes ago, Law Mom said:

Ok. I am shocked that the organization allowed this picture to stay up. Her nipples show right through! Not her fault, of course. Personally I would not have posted it, at least without some photoshopping.

Other thoughts: Her abs look awesome. She needs to control the hyperextension in her elbow, a common problem in pom. They should make her hair more red.

Those aren't her nipples. If you'll zoom in you'll notice there are little raised balls all over that top. Could they be mistaken for nipples...sure. Are most people looking that closely? I'd suspect not. Would a live audience or a jumbo tron have showed the raised balls everywhere? I suspect so. 

[Bellisima08]

Wow! So last night's episode was.....certainly lacking in "clarity" on a number of things. But let's start with the biggest one..show group. Normally the show group episode is one of my favorites in the whole season, however, the whole thing was overshadowed by what happened with Jalyn. I paid special attention to Jalyn thinking we were going to see something that justified her being cut and the comment that she "got outdanced" such as her being behind in the music or making mistakes. Instead I barely saw her dance and the bits of her dancing that I did see were excellent. That bit where she did back handsprings/roundoffs was awesome, particularly compared to VK's few turns (yay VK, you stayed upright on your turns so I guess that makes you showgroup-worthy).

I was hoping that in the deliberations we'd see some explanation about why they were considering cutting her. I thought "ok maybe since I only saw a little of her dancing, there was something the judges saw that wasn't shown and they'll mention it." But nope! There was just that mention of her name, Cheryl asking if she'd been on show group before and then Kelli giving some side-eye and then cut. What the hell was up with that? In the past when a Vet was cut from show group there was usually a mention of why like with Angela when Kelli said she didn't always make herself available for appearances. I find the cutting out of the conversation about Jalyn really shady. However, I was glad that Cheryl was not referring to Jalyn when she said "I just didn't notice her" when the promo make it look like she was. The fact that Cheryl was referring to VK when she said that (minutes after Melissa raved about her) was one of the few good moments.

As for the show group reveal and the conversation that Kelli had with Jalyn, it was uncomfortable to watch. First off, I noticed that Kelli seemed to be watching Jalyn like a squinty-eyed hawk (even before she went to the locker room) after the group announcement. Before Jalyn left, there was a shot of Kelli looking in Jalyn's direction & as she walked to the locker room, I could see Kelli's head turn & track her. It was like she was wanting to see Jalyn break down. It made me wonder if she was hoping Jalyn would react like Angela did by pouting all through the practice, thus giving Kelli a reason to tear into her. I personally think that Jalyn was very professional by removing herself from the situation to give herself a few minutes to calm down.

I mean its certainly better than her standing there trying not to cry in front of everyone or heaven forbid laying her head on Kelli's desk. I bet if VK had fled to the locker room Kelli would have been like "oh she's disappointed, give her a minute." After seeing that and watching how nervous Jalyn was as she asked if being cut from show group had anything to do with something she did outside of it makes the news from insiders about Jalyn & VK seem far more accurate. As for the rest of show group, really the only good things about it were the solo bits with Hannah, Amber & Maddie being my favorites and Cheryl's fair & impartial thoughts on everyone. I did pick up on that when Cheryl said that she didn't notice VK at all, Kelli was pretty quiet, compared to when Melissa talked about how much VK had improved and Kelli very excitedly said "hasn't she though?"

Makeovers were very blah this season. Aside from Shaina's hair color change, there was really no new or drastically different looks done on anyone. Really I could have done without the whole segment if it meant we got a more in-depth explanation for Jalyn being left out of show group. And I certainly would not have missed VK's giddiness over getting her roots done. Really Veruca? That's what makes you feel like a woman?

Speaking of Shaina, she did pretty well in last night's episode & looked great so I'm kind of feeling that the loss of her friends & her grief might be a factor in what gets her cut if she lost focus. Even with that I still think they should have kept her over Meredith & Kat. Kat's dancing is still very hit & miss and Meredith is just losing me with the errors and the crying. In that way she kind of reminds me of Morgan who was on the team in 2013. She had a lot of memory mistakes also and had a tendency to cry. I don't know. I just think that based on what I've seen so far, if they had to have alternates, Shaina, Madeline S or Julia would have been better options than Kat & Meredith.

Also I just have to saw how badly I felt for Alexandra. I know she made some mistakes, but man she had the heart & amazing attitude for it. 

I did enjoy seeing KaShara again. She was so bubbly & her energy seemed to spread through the studio. A true breath of fresh air. I did think it was interesting that she picked Caroline for point but I thought she was fair & honest and had good reasons about why. I don't get why K&J disregarded her so that they could have two points. Otherwise it was great to see her. If there's a fan vote for who gets Kelli's job when she retires, KaShara gets my vote!

Really it was just a very disappointing episode. I almost don't want to watch next week, but after seeing the promo, I do want to know why Christina was called into the office.

[Bellisima08]

1 hour ago, 5678Pixie said:

That is exactly what i was thinking that Victoria was not picked and then she took Jalyn's spot.  I want to know if Victoria went running to Tina and  tattled on Jalyn and then Tina went after Kelli.  What on earth does Tina have on Kelli that we need to know about?
 

I don't know but maybe part of the reason that Kelli picked VK for show group is that she just doesn't want hear Tina complain about her daughter not being picked for it again.

[Pinknblue]

3 hours ago, SanDiegoGal said:

From now on, I'll be using TIIC "The Idiots In Charge"

Hahahaaaaa YES!! 

TIIC lol

[Spooky]

I know "Stough" is Jalyn's last name, but I love that her profile reads "jalyns tough". Because if what we've heard is true and she was booted off show group for daring to try to help Vicky, than she's tougher than I could ever be.

I'm too old to remember if it was discussed but it's interesting they couldn't find another day anywhere during the summer when the whole team was available. Just odd to me. Wonder if the conversation between KaShara and K&J about point was in reference to the promo and not TS which is why Amy and Maddie weren't mentioned?  

[lkxydhfinl ghsdv]

Judy is hiding behind that gorgeous hair of hers (lol) but I LOVE this color on her!

[dccdancefan]

5 hours ago, Law Mom said:

Hey, we all have opinions. I think Jalyn is a very good technical dancer but also dull. The opposite of KaShara, if you will. She has a nice figure but so do lots of girls. I personally find her unattractive--her eyes are off and I think she is masculine looking. I don't know what she is like as a person but she gives off an unfriendly vibe to me. Purely subjective of course. I know many disagree but I don't give a hoot. My opinions are mine, yours are yours. Anyway, the people who hire SG don't care who is on it and neither do I, as long they do the job.

Have any of the insiders heard distasteful comments about Jalyn? I thought I read somewhere she's not a great teammate, somewhat full of herself/ no really concerned about anyone else.  Could that be a reason for her not making SG? 

[dreamcatcher]

10 hours ago, ClosetBachJunkie said:

IMO, the only reason they featured Savannah was so they could contrast her reaction to not making SG with Jalyn. "Oh, but poor Savannah wanted it SO BAD but is still congratulating her teammates..."

Well, Savannah is delusional if she thinks she’s one of their best dancers, even in this weaker team.

7 hours ago, kerrieway said:

Absolutely is a VIC...wtheck...also Jalyn's name is circled which mean she was a pick for SG or in close contention! As far as I concerned the theories about her being replaced by VK are true...disgusting and disgraceful.

Yeah it looks like Jalyn was picked for SG and then was replaced with the almighty VK. So I guess we were spot on when we were saying that vk got Jalyn’s spot, not one of the new to sg vets.

long shot, but maybe @ShellyB can confirm?

6 hours ago, Law Mom said:

 Anyway, the people who hire SG don't care who is on it and neither do I, as long they do the job.

I’m sure they would rather look at Jalyn instead of VK’s horsemouth and s****** dancing, but they won’t know someone like Jalyn was an option.

5 hours ago, omgtv said:

  I don't expect Kelli to be a robot, but don't try to fool everyone into thinking there is anything fair about this whole process.  Just own it!

Oh, I do. Since she expects her cheerleaders to be robots, then she should be their prime example. She’s the one who gets the big paycheck after all, so i have bigger expectations.

32 minutes ago, dccdancefan said:

Have any of the insiders heard distasteful comments about Jalyn? I thought I read somewhere she's not a great teammate, somewhat full of herself/ no really concerned about anyone else.  Could that be a reason for her not making SG? 

That would be VK, not Jalyn. Jalyn actually has experience in another team (as all the other girls except for VK), so they’d have heard about it from her former coach.

[Lolfordays]

13 hours ago, Lily80 said:

Also just want to say that if Kelli cut Jalyn from Show Group because of some nonsense with VK, it's completely passive aggressive not to tell her why. If it's a punishment for some 'supposed' bad behavior (like Jenna being pulled as point and made to sit out for the HOF game), then freaking TELL her that. Otherwise, you're just creating an atmosphere of anxiety and distrust.

Classic abusive behavior. Kelli controls the squad by abuse.

[DCC-UK]

On 9/14/2019 at 3:47 AM, DCCFan197605 said:

It looks like Rachel A got Jalyn’s spot.  It’s amazing what a haircut and new makeup can do for a person.

I think that's unfair. I love Jalyn but Rachel A has definitely improved since her rookie year. Yes, she looks great with chopped hair but her dance technique and power/style are great now. She was a blender to begin with but I think she's one of their strongest dancers now. Jayln should also have a SG spot though! 

[ClosetDCCFan]

This pic from yesterday has been circulating on numerous girls’ a ocial media.  The only rookies are Meredith and Lily, but I’m particularly interested that Julia is in it.  I wonder if that means she’ll be trying out again next year?  

[ClosetDCCFan]

10 hours ago, Muckypup61 said:

The other heart breaker: Alexandra's small, desperate, "No, please, not again!"😭

I didn’t quite understand that since, while she’s auditioned several times before, this was the first time she’d ever even made it into training camp.  

Also, I didn’t care for her pleading for more time.  I cant exactly put my finger on it, but I felt this weird “privileged entitlement” meets Malena meltdown flashback.  She ultimately pulled it together which was good, but something rubbed me the wrong way there.  

[Holly85]

27 minutes ago, ClosetDCCFan said:

This pic from yesterday has been circulating on numerous girls’ a ocial media.  The only rookies are Meredith and Lily, but I’m particularly interested that Julia is in it.  I wonder if that means she’ll be trying out again next year?  

Julia also went out with Some of the ladies for ambers birthday 

[cherryblossom]

When Alexandra started with her oh no, I was concerned we were going down the Meleana road but there also seemed to be an edit there too.

They will never do the show group announcement there the same night as long as they use Gilley’s since the judges are in close proximity to the girls.  At auditions & finals, I imagine J & K use the bathroom, freshen makeup & hair thus giving the judges time to get to their cars which are physically in a different locale from the girls I would imagine plus it would be a long day for them.  For SG, the judges have been there only perhaps 3 hours, Park in same lot, go past girls to leave & perhaps stay to watch announcement.  K&J don’t wan them sticking around to see why someone they said yes to got cut & someone like VK got added.

i understand about Melissa R saying how VK had improved which was true.  I said that once about a student who was significantly weaker when she demonstrated improvement.  I had a moment of clarity when another faculty member asked me if she was performing at the level of her peers & of what I expected of all students at this level & she was NOT.

I worked for 4 years for a passive aggressive boss, waiting for her to retire.  She would ask you for what courses you did & did not want to teach.  We ended up having to lie to her as she would stick you with the courses you hated.  She was this way as she was an angry person who believe this anger helped propel her through life.  I was so happy to quit & she didn’t retire until she was 75!

[kalibean]

10 hours ago, omgtv said:

Off topic re: SG/Jalyn

I am seriously confused about VK.   I mean, TK comes across on this show, even in just the few times she has been shown, as a horrible mean girl.  When she said that about Chandler I wanted to go through my TV and slap her. Maybe all of this is TK's doing and not VK???  VK just seems kinda goofy and immature??? 🤷‍♀️

I chuckled when I read this, because I agree that VK does seem goofy and immature. I also think Kelli looks at her as one of her own, so let’s her get away with a lot more than others. 

That said, sweet Chandler was the least HD friendly candidate they’ve had to my memory. Even on the earlier days when they didn’t have to be on the HD screen. I was shocked she made it into camp. 

[PhillyFan]

17 hours ago, 5678Pixie said:

This is a recent pix of her and this is one of the comments on this pix

talky_tina_

You dance circles around the #illigetimatedcc. Don't forget that. This isn't a real situation, it's staged for the benefit of a tv show. You are far more worthy than you're being given credit for. Chin up.

Um, wow, she looks amazing here

[nancy444]

14 hours ago, go4luca said:

Add me as being another hard disagree on this assessment. 

Jalyn is a very strong dancer and that is what SG is all about: the elite technical dancers of the squad (as has been mentioned on the show numerous times).

That may be absolutely true, but the average viewer doesn’t care.

Its like when Kelli is watching one of her mediocre favorites dance.  While the poor girl stumbles, falls out of turns, forgets choreo, or just blends into the background completely, that’s Kelli’s cue to SAVE HER FAVE:  

Without fail, and in the most incredibly contrived way ever, she puts on her big-eyed face and turns to Judy, gasping in a reverent stage whisper about “those feet!”

Who the hell is looking at any of these girls’ FEET?

Hey, Kelli:  NOBODY GIVES TWO $HITS ABOUT THEIR FEET.

If their FEET were so damn important, the girls would be dancing on the field wearing full body leotards and ballet shoes.

Even Stevie Wonder can see what parts of the dancer we’re supposed to appreciate, considering how much time they spend getting fitted for the “iconic” (ultra-skimpy) uniform:

1). Boobs.

2) Butt.

3). Boobs.  

But we’re supposed to suddenly appreciate her all-important feet, which are ironically covered up in big clunky boots.

Clearly, Kelli’s breathless raptures over a girl’s feet is her way of justifying to the audience why she’s still keeping an obviously mediocre-looking, minimally-talented, big-horsey-faced TCC in camp, while true cuties like Gabby are given the shaft.

Edited September 15, 2019 by nancy444
Subject/verb disagreement

[TxBex]

6 hours ago, dccdancefan said:

Have any of the insiders heard distasteful comments about Jalyn? I thought I read somewhere she's not a great teammate, somewhat full of herself/ no really concerned about anyone else.  Could that be a reason for her not making SG? 

Actually in Ep4, Shaina has a talking head where she shares getting called out for making mistakes by Kelli. She was talking to Kelcey about it, when Jalyn overheard them and offered the key to her studio to practice. That sounds like a good teammate to me. This also gives credence to the theory that Victoria took offense when Jalyn corrected/helped her. From the whole Jinelle debacle, I don't see VK reacting well to unsolicited help from a peer.

[nancy444]

1 hour ago, kalibean said:

I chuckled when I read this, because I agree that VK does seem goofy and immature. I also think Kelli looks at her as one of her own, so let’s her get away with a lot more than others. 

That said, sweet Chandler was the least HD friendly candidate they’ve had to my memory. Even on the earlier days when they didn’t have to be on the HD screen. I was shocked she made it into camp. 

I agree, poor Chandler just wasn’t anyone’s idea of a calendar girl.  But every once in a while they’re able to somehow glam-up a girl who’s not quite ready for her close up.  That’s how I first felt about Jinelle when she first tried out: pleasantly surprised.

I still do kinda feel that way about Caroline (and her big, staring eyes), Selena (who was just bleh), and of course the Nose Job Twins.

Truly beautiful girls like Brittany Shram, Abigail Klein, or MaKenzie Lee have all but vanished. 

Poor little Chandler just couldn’t be helped, I’m afraid.  

Yet they let VK and her big chompers and over-processed hair on the team.

[Law Mom]

1 hour ago, cherryblossom said:

I worked for 4 years for a passive aggressive boss, waiting for her to retire.  She would ask you for what courses you did & did not want to teach.  We ended up having to lie to her as she would stick you with the courses you hated.  She was this way as she was an angry person who believe this anger helped propel her through life.  I was so happy to quit & she didn’t retire until she was 75!

You should have told "Please never retire. We want you to stay here forever." Maybe she would have left sooner!

[Jess14]

12 hours ago, Law Mom said:

Hey, we all have opinions. I think Jalyn is a very good technical dancer but also dull. The opposite of KaShara, if you will. She has a nice figure but so do lots of girls. I personally find her unattractive--her eyes are off and I think she is masculine looking. I don't know what she is like as a person but she gives off an unfriendly vibe to me. Purely subjective of course. I know many disagree but I don't give a hoot. My opinions are mine, yours are yours. Anyway, the people who hire SG don't care who is on it and neither do I, as long they do the job.

I think this is certainly true and true of the team as a whole and applies to Meredith and Kat as well. Most people who see the Cowboys are not going to care about them making the team. However, it’s certainly not how Kelli treats it.

I don’t personally care one way or another about Jalyn. She’s fine but not one of my faves, but for me, I don’t think the issue is about her. It’s just another example of Kelli being terrible (which is nothing new). She builds up show group as being the best of the best and special ambassadors for the team, she hires a big venue for SG tryouts, she brings in a big group of guest judges, and then when she demotes a girl, she’s acts like the girl shouldn’t be upset. At the same time, she throws out her little petty digs and passive-aggressively refuses to answer when her employee asks perfectly reasonable questions upon being demoted - do you think less of my abilities this year; am I at particular risk; is there something other than my audition that caused me not to make SG. Kelli is just awful. The worst type of boss.

[ClosetDCCFan]

In the category of Kelli being a poor manager ... does it bother anyone else that Kelli arranged for Meredith to get one on one help from Kashara and Melissa, and other girls are lucky if they get a single note from Kelli in an entire training camp?  I would think that would be hugely demoralizing for the other girls.    I’m not a huge Lily fan, but examples like this make me understand her a little more.  

[ElenaFR]

DCC is not a democracy it is a Cheer-ocracy with Kelli at the head. She has favorites and they have lots of wiggle room.  That's life. It stinks but it is in every work/school environment. Just wish she wouldn't sell us on this sisterhood mentality when she can be the worst offender when it comes to toxicity. 

[Jennv]

8 minutes ago, ClosetDCCFan said:

In the category of Kelli being a poor manager ... does it bother anyone else that Kelli arranged for Meredith to get one on one help from Kashara and Melissa, and other girls are lucky if they get a single note from Kelli in an entire training camp?  I would think that would be hugely demoralizing for the other girls.    I’m not a huge Lily fan, but examples like this make me understand her a little more.  

Meredith is a crying mess. She reminds me of Maddie her first year in camp. It seemed like all she did was mess up and cry about it, and she rightly got sent home. I hope we see some drastic improvement from Meredith because right now I can’t believe she made the team.

Edited September 15, 2019 by Jennv

[heckkitty]

6 hours ago, dreamcatcher said:

long shot, but maybe @ShellyB can confirm?

Doubt it. Here’s what Shelly said when it first happened:

“I will add that the field was strong, and the new (Vets and TCCs) came with a mission. There were several that were very strong, but in the end, it’s the voting. There are considerations for the previous year(s), but just because your on SG the previous year doesn’t mean your are safe. They are always expected to keep pushing, moving up”

i can’t imagine it would be smart or professional for her to say more now. 

[ElenaFR]

1 minute ago, heckkitty said:

Doubt it. Here’s what Shelly said when it first happened:

“I will add that the field was strong, and the new (Vets and TCCs) came with a mission. There were several that were very strong, but in the end, it’s the voting. There are considerations for the previous year(s), but just because your on SG the previous year doesn’t mean your are safe. They are always expected to keep pushing, moving up”

i can’t imagine it would be smart or professional for her to say more now. 

Agree, it would not be wise for her to say more. 

[go4luca]

1 hour ago, nancy444 said:

That may be absolutely true, but the average viewer doesn’t care.

My point had nothing to do with what the average viewer thinks though. 🙅‍♀️

[glossy]

So 3 days ago, I didn't even know what DCC was but the jump splits video showed up in my YouTube recommendations and now I've watched all of the S14 episodes. Some of my (petty) random thoughts:

1. Even as someone new to this, I can tell there's favoritism for Victoria. She's energetic but there's no way she's the best like Kelli tries so hard to make us believe. Nice legs, ugly face.
2. Malena always looked like a hot sweaty mess who was on the verge of tears. And what was up with her lipstick?
3. Gabby was cut for being out of shape but Maddie looks chubbier to me.
4. Kat needs to stop being so s******. It makes me want to pull her wig out.
5. Meredith has beautiful eyes. That's literally all she has going for her. Her torso looks like a cereal box.
6. Jalyn was professional as hell. Removed herself from the situation to process her emotions in private, then asked her bosses what she's doing wrong or what she can improve on to keep her spot on the team. Everyone should want an employee/teammate like her, who doesn't cause drama publicly and who seeks feedback.
7. Rachel W is gorgeous.

[rhofmovalley]

I think it would be inappropriate for Shelly to say any more.  I'm often asked during my off-work hours to reveal things like who is getting hired for a certain position and I know I can't say anything if I want to keep my job.

Even if Shelly witnesses blatant favoritism toward Kelli's "Wish she were MY daughter" Victoria she won't say it, and rightfully so.

Bottom line, as another poster said, the general public who attends the games aren't looking at dance technique.  They want to see pretty young ladies in skimpy costumes dancing around.  If it were all about dance technique they wouldn't be wearing almost nothing. 

Now Show Group, that should be about dance technique but I'm not even sure where Show Group performs or if the audience they perform in front of will care about their technique or if they just expect to see pretty girls dancing.

[dreamcatcher]

1 hour ago, heckkitty said:

Doubt it. Here’s what Shelly said when it first happened:

“I will add that the field was strong, and the new (Vets and TCCs) came with a mission. There were several that were very strong, but in the end, it’s the voting. There are considerations for the previous year(s), but just because your on SG the previous year doesn’t mean your are safe. They are always expected to keep pushing, moving up”

i can’t imagine it would be smart or professional for her to say more now. 

Oh, I wasn’t really expecting her to answer. Isn’t it interesting though that she referred to the voting when we saw that the judges actually voted Jalyn in? Unless that was her way of telling us that it was all Kelli.

[Isolabella]

I hate to say it, but after watching this week's episode, I think Rachel W. will be the point next year. 😱 She has improved so much from last season (watch her in the hip hop halftime when she's in the second row of the pyramid behind Maddie). There are so many talented 2nd years who would absolutely kill it at point (Caroline and Bridget come to mind) but you know how Kelli loves the pretty girls and she's always had a giant girl crush on Rachel W.

Don't get me wrong! I'm not saying I want her at point. But after watching the montage of pictures they took of Rachel during show group auditions, I was like ohhhh shit it's gonna be her next year.

[Jennv]

5 minutes ago, Isolabella said:

I hate to say it, but after watching this week's episode, I think Rachel W. will be the point next year. 😱 She has improved so much from last season (watch her in the hip hop halftime when she's in the second row of the pyramid behind Maddie). There are so many talented 2nd years who would absolutely kill it at point (Caroline and Bridget come to mind) but you know how Kelli loves the pretty girls and she's always had a giant girl crush on Rachel W.

Don't get me wrong! I'm not saying I want her at point. But after watching the montage of pictures they took of Rachel during show group auditions, I was like ohhhh shit it's gonna be her next year.

Only if Maddie retires 

[EricaShadows]

1 hour ago, heckkitty said:

Doubt it. Here’s what Shelly said when it first happened:

“I will add that the field was strong, and the new (Vets and TCCs) came with a mission. There were several that were very strong, but in the end, it’s the voting. There are considerations for the previous year(s), but just because your on SG the previous year doesn’t mean your are safe. They are always expected to keep pushing, moving up”

i can’t imagine it would be smart or professional for her to say more now. 

As much as she says it was about how the judges voted, we've also seen Kelli (and to a degree Judy and Charlotte) override or ignore that voting if it doesn't go the way she wants it to.  Given how petty Kelli can be, and who was shown to be on Judy's (?) list, I wouldn't be surprised that Victoria wasn't originally going to be on Show Group, but that her confrontation with Jalyn just gave them the person to cut to give Victoria her spot.  Shelly either can't or won't say anything different because it could bring her legal, ethical and moral problems she doesn't, and shouldn't, have to deal with because she keeps her lips sealed on what happens/happened.  Also, if she told what REALLY occurred, especially if it meant exposing the fact that Kelli lied, ignored the votes/opinions of the other judges or any number of things that aren't exactly moral or ethical even if they are technically legal, she could be terminated from her position because the organization could say, among other things, that she is using her platform as a recognized member of the organization to state her personal opinion and that she is biased against it because of how her daughter was treated.

22 minutes ago, rhofmovalley said:

I think it would be inappropriate for Shelly to say any more.  I'm often asked during my off-work hours to reveal things like who is getting hired for a certain position and I know I can't say anything if I want to keep my job.

Even if Shelly witnesses blatant favoritism toward Kelli's "Wish she were MY daughter" Victoria she won't say it, and rightfully so.

While we want someone officially recognized to spill the tea about what has REALLY happened, it would be inappropriate for Shelly to say more because of the ramifications, legal and otherwise, no matter HOW much I want to know what really happened.  But, suffice to say, there are enough hints and clues shown during the course of the past three seasons that, should some bored person in the legal field gets curious enough to do some digging, they could possibly find enough provable actions (that can't be dismissed as some girl got her feelings hurt by being cut or dismissed) to cause some trouble for the organization, but also for Kelli personally, especially if she can't hide behind the organization.  That is, if they chose to do so and actually had some free time, of which there is little in many cases.

[Isolabella]

17 minutes ago, Jennv said:

Only if Maddie retires 

V true

[go4luca]

3 hours ago, Isolabella said:

I hate to say it, but after watching this week's episode, I think Rachel W. will be the point next year. 😱 She has improved so much from last season. There are so many talented 2nd years who would absolutely kill it at point (Caroline and Bridget come to mind) but you know how Kelli loves the pretty girls and she's always had a giant girl crush on Rachel W.

3 hours ago, Jennv said:

Only if Maddie retires 

I think Rachel W., Bridget or Caroline could carry point.  Although my personal fav is Bridget.  Her energy is infectious and girl can dance.

Re: Maddie

Not being mean, but I hope she retires.  She's come a long way but she will never be point material to me.

Edited September 15, 2019 by go4luca

[Jennv]

Just now, go4luca said:

I think Rachel W., Bridget or Caroline could carry point.  Although my personal fav is Bridget.  Her energy is infectious and girl can dance.

Re: Maddie

Not being mean, but I hope she retires.  She's come a long way and is cute, but she will never be point material to me.

I’m with you. I hate her at point and I hate to see a worthy point like Bridget passed over again for another year of Maddie 

[Jennv]

I wonder how long it will be before Victoria spins right off the stage during a show group performance? I actually would feel sorry for Victoria, but it would serve Kelli right for putting a clumsy mess on her “elite” show group 

[kalibean]

1 hour ago, Jennv said:

Only if Maddie retires 

I don’t see any way that Maddie doesn’t stay all five years. I think she deserves Jinelle’s old spot (and that Jinelle deserved much better) but heaven knows the ladies in leadership are showing their blindness this year.  And why is Rycroft so obsessed with her?? 

Plus, Amy is so off in everything I see her in now...my eye goes straight to her. 

Anyone else for point(s) please! 

Edited September 15, 2019 by kalibean

[dreamcatcher]

47 minutes ago, Jennv said:

I’m with you. I hate her at point and I hate to see a worthy point like Bridget passed over again for another year of Maddie 

Please make Maddie retire. I wouldn’t mind her staying for all 5 years if she wasn’t always in the spotlight. She doesn’t look good as point, she doesn’t seem confident as a leader, she isn’t strong in interviews, just stop promoting her please. And I can’t stand her trying to do sexy/flirty faces this year (she does that in EVERY SINGLE clip i’ve seen of her). I feel like a pervert looking at this kid playing dress up.

[Jennv]

11 minutes ago, kalibean said:

I don’t see any way that Maddie doesn’t stay all five years. I think she deserves Jinelle’s old spot (and that Jinelle deserved much better) but heaven knows the ladies in leadership are showing their blindness this year.  And why is Rycroft so obsessed with her?? 

Plus, Amy is so off in everything I see her in now...my eye goes straight to her. 

Anyone else for point(s) please! 

I swear, I think they are telling Rycroft to talk Maddie up. It’s the theory that if you tell a lie enough times people will believe it. Kelli and Co. want us to think Maddie is the greatest, so they keep harping on it. Same with Veruca.

[DCCFanInKy]

3 minutes ago, dreamcatcher said:

I wouldn’t mind her staying for all 5 years if she wasn’t always in the spotlight.

I wonder if they've started sending strong signals to the ladies to retire BEFORE they're a 5th year anymore unless they're a phenomenal dancer?

[Fwcowboysfan]

1 hour ago, Jennv said:

Only if Maddie retires 

I hope she stays. 😀

Edited September 15, 2019 by Fwcowboysfan

[Pau84]

33 minutes ago, kalibean said:

Anyone else for point(s) please! 

Jalyn for point ofcourse!

#teamjalyn

[MyFavShows]

On 9/14/2019 at 12:36 PM, MrsEVH said:

I remember that choreographer Bree calling out Angela when she didn't make SG.

That choreographer was full of herself and a bitch.  One of my least favorite people they’ve ever had on the show along w/ the nutritionist who said the stuff about diet soda causing cellulite.

I don’t think they should announce show group at the beginning of a practice like that either.  If they don’t want to do it during off hours so everyone can process without being on the spot, at least wait till the very end.   Oh, and a compassionate leader who wanted to avoid any drama/disruption would talk to someone in Jaylen’s situation ahead of time, along w/ giving the reasons for decision, so she wasn’t blindsided in front of everyone.   But cause this is a reality show drama is almost encouraged, no way they’d ever do that 

Edited September 15, 2019 by MyFavShows

[DAthene]

16 hours ago, Tootie said:

One thing that stuck out to me was when Kelli said this--and I quote: "Thank you guys for your time and expertise. We really appreciate your professional lenses.  We'll go back and work through some of the strengths that we know some of these ladies bring to the table and announce this tomorrow."

IIRC, any other time the Show Group deliberations were shown, they seemed to imply that they knew who the final group was that night... they didn't always announce it that night, but they knew who it was and didn't have to "go back and work" it out!

She did that last year -- and I remember that being jarring to me as well.  To me this year, that means we are going to ignore your recommendations on Jalyn (or at least I am).

I just watched the episode and I'm seething.  To be honest, this is the first year I am not glued in front of the tv to watch the episode as it is airing; knowing how things went down this year has left me very soured on Kelli and her treatment of the DCCs.   A rant is following, so please just skip this post if you don't want me to bore you.

I don't hate VK -- I don't know her.  But I hate the toxicity she has created around DCC.  Yes, she looks better.  She dances the style better.  But to me she will never be a positive member of the "sisterhood" that DCC asserts itself to have.  After last night, I put a lot of credence into what some of those insiders were saying this past summer -- and I do believe VK remains a tattletale and a sinister locker room teammate.  I don't have dance experience, so maybe somebody who does can let me know if I'm way off on this, but to me her leaps across the floor still demonstrated she cannot hold her positions correctly.   Caroline's and Jalyn's turns and leaps appeared more controlled...like they weren't falling into another person's lines.  Has she made improvements from last year, yes; but is she the best rookie candidate, hell no.  And Kelli shooting daggers at everyone who doesn't drink the kool aid is by far the most telling thing about her in my opinion (and the best support to those summer insiders IMHO).

Now onto the show group fiasco.  The way Kelli treated Jalyn was despicable.  She was as harsh and stern with her as she was with Holli -- and that girl violated one of the most touted contractual rules of DCC.  It was clear that there was a lot more behind that moment.  She shot daggers when the guests commented on her being good; she was all over the fact she just needed to step out a moment.  And rather than say to her during the meeting that she was missing something (last year's fire; she was outdanced; she was a little clunkier -- any one of the gazillion overused cliches she employs to be vague about a girl's performance), she basically confirmed she is in danger of losing her "valuable" uniform and that she questions if Jalyn has the passion and fire to keep going.  I give Jalyn a lot of credit to handle that meeting with a smile on her face.  THAT shows the professionalism that Kelli was clearly lacking.  And for Judy to sit there while one of her strongest dancers was cut from show group and then ripped apart? I have lost all respect for her as well.   

As a teacher, I have to give disappointing news to kids all the time.  They fail a test; they don't make it into an honor society; they didn't get the part they wanted in the show.  And we make sure we do that at a time when they will then HAVE the time to emotionally process it.  I wonder if Kelli was hoping that Jalyn said something or did something JUST a bit further so that she could have cut her -- for something that CLEARLY happened out of practice.  

And Kat & Meredith?  They are pretty.  I don't think either of them is so unbelievably beautiful that they HAD to have a spot on this squad -- but the fact that both of them CANNOT dance and are on the squad? Seriously?!?!   Kelli latched onto them as favorites and they seemingly cannot do any wrong.  

Kashara - good for you selecting a second year point over those who do not "have it".  Maddy and Amy are good, but they are not point.   

It's time to retire, Kelli.  You are too emotional and you have lost your objective lens to determine how to make (as you so often put it) the "right squad" with the "right people".  You have allowed a festering situation to turn into a cesspool, even among some fans.  

I will continue to binge watch earlier seasons -- but I don't think I'm watching the rest of this one.  

[Jennv]

At this point, I’m considering getting a voodoo doll of Victoria and rubbing lard on its abs, thighs, and butt. #jalynwasrobbed

[healthnut]

Is there a list of show group members here somewhere? I hate to go through all the spoiler pages, I’m trying to be as spoiler free as possible. 

[Jessinvirginia]

On 9/14/2019 at 2:46 PM, ATLGirl said:

I haven't watched the episode yet because I was visiting my best friend who was in town last night but I'm afraid if I do watch it, I'll break the TV by throwing something at it when Kelli starts in on Jaylyn. It's taking everything I have not to tweet something on Kelli's account stating I know who was being toxic in that meeting and it wasn't Jaylyn.

I echo what CrazyinAlabama said. Jaylyn needs to keep her head down, finish her year and vamoose. There's no way Kelli will keep her another season anyway and Charlotte will likely chime in with talk of "She needs to be GREAT!". Who wants to stick around for that nightmare when they are still getting paid peanuts?

Same. I’ve been in, “Don’t tweet Kelli. Don’t tweet Kelli.” Mode since the episode aired. 😡

[MyFavShows]

Okay.  Maybe I will regret asking this, but why are people implying VK is to blame for Jayln not making SG?  What allegedly happened?  Is there a page # in this thread where it’s first discussed?