Avery & Omar: ISIS, Shmisis

[Lily247]

23 hours ago, gingerella said:

I wouldn't yet count on that marriage in Beirut to be considered legal in the US for a spousal visa. It seems like, given the shitshow that was Omar's planning, that they may have had a religious ceremony but not one that would be considered legal by US immigration standards. I have no idea, but I'm guessing that's what happened so they can prolong their 15 minutes of famewhoredom with the Trials and Tribulations of getting a real marriage done now, and thus milk yet another season of this craptastic show.

Hmmm. Im betting that that little religious ceremony was indeed a legally binding marriage as well by US immigration standards. Im not Muslim but I had a religious ceremony kind of wedding in a country that did not have civil marriage (only religious marriage), but coming to the US, Inwas considered fully married. 

[Lily247]

4 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

Ever since I learned that Teri had Avery at 16, Avery's bio dad is in prison, and Teri didn't marry Avery's step father until Avery was 5 or 6, a ton of Avery's decisions and family dynamics made a ton more sense. Gymnastics gave her order, structure, and discipline. I think she's expecting Islam to give her order, structure, and discipline. I'm sure these were in short supply during Avery's formative years.

Whoa. Teri is only 35 ? I thought mid 40s. Not trying to be intentionally mean

[Joan of Argh]

1 hour ago, Lily247 said:

Whoa. Teri is only 35 ? I thought mid 40s. Not trying to be intentionally mean

Mothering Avery is enough to prematurely age anyone... Even Terri 

[iwasish]

Those coverings Avery wears only emphasis how heavy she is. She has a cute face when she isn’t being a smart ass.  
She’s one step away from accusing Omar of using her for a visa because he isn’t teary eyed over her going back to the US. I did like how he  called her bluff and said, if that’s the way everyone feels then don’t bother applying for visa. I  suspect he’d be perfectly content with her in the US for a year while he remained  there finishing his schooling.  I really don’t see any great love for her, he seems almost annoyed with her most of the time. 

[Jeanne222]

He surely didn't seem like a happy man the morning after!  Just saying.

[Mrs. Hanson]

18 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

that Avery is an adult, lives on her own, pays her own bills

But does she @Christina?  She was shown living in the same house as her parents.  So I think Teri's involvement is fair.  They are both passive aggressive and have some major unhealthy communication styles, that is for sure.

14 hours ago, Lily247 said:

Whoa. Teri is only 35 ? I thought mid 40s. Not trying to be intentionally mean

She had her at 16?  That explains A LOT.  I thought she was mid 40's too.

12 hours ago, iwasish said:

I did like how he  called her bluff and said, if that’s the way everyone feels then don’t bother applying for visa

Did he?  Good for him.  I think he is beginning to see a side of Avery where he wants her a continent away from him.

[magemaud]

Between Avery's slouchy practically lying down at the table and Omar's seeming inability to hold his head up straight, their restaurant scenes drive me crazy. 

[doyouevengohere]

There was a photo last week of Teri currently making the rounds on the gossip IG's (possibly from Avery's IG?)  she's lost a lot of weight and looks a lot younger than she looked on the show.

[Jeanne222]

[magemaud]

Maybe the slimmer picture was taken a while ago? 

[Gobi]

12 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

Soo beeutiful, soo sexxxy, babee. Come wit me to the Casbah!

[Jeanne222]

3 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Maybe the slimmer picture was taken a while ago? 

No it's a recent picture.  https://entertainmentchronicle.com/2019/09/29/90-day-fiance-teri-mills-drops-50-lbs-photo-of-averys-mom-stuns-fans/

[magemaud]

She DOES look good! Unfortunately, I can picture Avery gaining those 50 pounds that Teri lost! 

[RealReality]

She also looks happy, that helps a lot.  

[nytonc]

Found some info on marriage in Lebanon. There is no civil marriage, only religious, so Avery will be considered married to Omar in the US. 

The article says to allow 9 weeks to arrange the marriage so unless the whole last minute rush was production driven, they were lucky to get it done so quickly. 

https://www.thespruce.com/how-to-get-married-in-lebanon-2303184

This link has a little tidbit stating that marrying in certain countries may automatically cause you to lose US citizenship. I hope Lebanon isn’t one of them. 

https://www.thespruce.com/marriage-of-united-states-citizens-abroad-2300733

[Lily247]

5 hours ago, magemaud said:

and Omar's seeming inability to hold his head up straight, their restaurant scenes drive me crazy. 

Crouching over dental chairs too much maybe. I noticed that too

[blubld43]

1 minute ago, Lily247 said:

Crouching over dental chairs too much maybe. I noticed that too

He's always looking at her half quizzically, half in astonishment. Not in a good way. I keep wondering how much of that is cultural, how much is producer driven, etc.

[RoadFullOfPromise]

21 minutes ago, blubld43 said:

He's always looking at her half quizzically, half in astonishment

Some of that looks like either someone who does not have a great command of the language being spoken (so is working hard to pay attention) or has hearing difficulty (either actual hearing loss or processing issues). Not saying he has either one of those, but the look of intense concentration makes me wonder sometimes.

I don’t typically hear accents well so I try to read people’s lips as they are talking. I don’t have a hearing disability per se - just a hard time deciphering some thick accents.

[mamadrama]

2 hours ago, nytonc said:

Found some info on marriage in Lebanon. There is no civil marriage, only religious, so Avery will be considered married to Omar in the US. 

The article says to allow 9 weeks to arrange the marriage so unless the whole last minute rush was production driven, they were lucky to get it done so quickly. 

https://www.thespruce.com/how-to-get-married-in-lebanon-2303184

This link has a little tidbit stating that marrying in certain countries may automatically cause you to lose US citizenship. I hope Lebanon isn’t one of them. 

https://www.thespruce.com/marriage-of-united-states-citizens-abroad-2300733

From the link:

Quote

In some countries, marriage to a national of that country will automatically make the spouse either a citizen of that country or eligible to become naturalized in that country expeditiously. The automatic acquisition of a second nationality will not affect US citizenship. Naturalization in a foreign country on one's own application or the application of a duly authorized agent may cause the loss of American citizenship. 

You don't lose your American citizenship simply because you automatically become a citizen of that country-you only lose your citizenship if you, on your own, fill out an application for naturalization (and only in certain countries). For instance, if I go to the Balkans and marry Omer, a Bosnian, and Bosnian law says that upon marriage I automatically become a Bosnian citizen then that does NOT affect my US citizenship. However, if I move there and apply for naturalization and renounce my US citizenship to become Bosnian, then I might lose my US citizenship (but not always). In other words, automatically acquiring a second citizenship does not affect your American one-you have to actually work at it. 

The whole thing about American women losing their citizenship because they married non-Americans was part of the Expatriation Act and in 1907. Things have changed. 

It's actually pretty hard to lose your American citizenship. To do so, you have to publicly renounce it, run for foreign office, commit treason, or join a foreign army. And even those have fine print and might not make you lose it. 

[gavinmac]

I thought Avery said a few weeks ago that Omar wasn't interested in moving to America and therefore couldn't be using her for a green card. Now she's saying she's applying for a spouse visa for him to move to America and will only move to Syria while she's waiting out that visa.

Omar is a Syrian professional who speaks fluent English and was looking for an American wife on a website featuring American Muslim women. He is highly motivated to move to the USA, and if he says he's not, that's an act.

Edited October 7, 2019 by gavinmac

[Lily247]

5 hours ago, gavinmac said:

I thought Avery said a few weeks ago that Omar wasn't interested in moving to America and therefore couldn't be using her for a green card. Now she's saying she's applying for a spouse visa for him to move to America and will only move to Syria while she's waiting out that visa.

Omar is a Syrian professional who speaks fluent English and was looking for an American wife on a website featuring American Muslim women. He is highly motivated to move to the USA, and if he says he's not, that's an act.

Same. Especially since he will likely have a VERY lucrative career here while (I am assuming) getting to avoid the majority of student debts. He may have to do some kind of dental residency or something here but he is only 24! Thats super young by US standards to be almost done with dental school. If he intends to stick with her, Avery did pretty well for herself TBH as I can't envision her going into a career. Or, she hasnt mentioned johs/college/learning a trade herself. I think she opened an online store to sell stuff ? Good luck w that

[deedee2]

On 10/5/2019 at 7:53 PM, blubld43 said:

He's always looking at her half quizzically, half in astonishment. Not in a good way. I keep wondering how much of that is cultural, how much is producer driven, etc.

Looks like he's trying to understand her English. To be honest, I don't know how any of the foreign fiances understand their American partners. Deavan speaks in "Perry Como, Still Alive" mumbles, and I'm always amazed that Jihoon answers her appropriately. 

[Toaster Strudel]

On 10/6/2019 at 9:03 PM, gavinmac said:

Omar is a Syrian professional

That's what the show told us, but it is true?

[Toaster Strudel]

On 10/4/2019 at 5:35 PM, HunterHunted said:

Avery's bio dad is in prison

Now I understand the origins of her defiant personality... genes.

[Jennifersdc]

Not sure how to cut and paste. Apologies in advance if it doesn’t work out. 

This is part of the reason Avery pisses me off. The rest is just cause she’s annoying.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/world/syrian-underground/

[iwasish]

19 hours ago, Jennifersdc said:

Not sure how to cut and paste. Apologies in advance if it doesn’t work out. 

This is part of the reason Avery pisses me off. The rest is just cause she’s annoying.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/world/syrian-underground/

Avery would probably say  “How romantic!”  And think she could just pull out  her US passport and get escorted home.

19 hours ago, Toaster Strudel said:

Now I understand the origins of her defiant personality... genes.

I wonder what for.

[Azubah]

Omar's the dentist, right? I'm getting a ton of work done at the local dental school, and there's a lovely young man from Afghanistan working there as an assistant. He was a dentist back in Afghanistan, but now that he's here he has to go through a bunch of preliminary classes, do some research, and apply to the dental school here and go through an accelerated 2-year program (which, needless to say, is not free.) Omar can't just walk into a job as a dentist in the U.S. It's going to be a time-consuming, expensive hassle.

[sainte-chapelle]

Just here to say Teri looks great, training for a marathon takes a lot of dedication. Especially for someone who is initially out of shape. Good for her. Avery leaving the nest has done wonders 😂

[Burning Rubber]

I wonder if Omar is telling the truth about his academic credentials. 

[silverspoons]

8 hours ago, Azubah said:

Omar's the dentist, right? I'm getting a ton of work done at the local dental school, and there's a lovely young man from Afghanistan working there as an assistant. He was a dentist back in Afghanistan, but now that he's here he has to go through a bunch of preliminary classes, do some research, and apply to the dental school here and go through an accelerated 2-year program (which, needless to say, is not free.) Omar can't just walk into a job as a dentist in the U.S. It's going to be a time-consuming, expensive hassle.

It depends on the country but many have to redo school or training. My son's friend just started dental school and there is a dentist in his 40's. I believe from Brazil? and he has to do the 3 years over.  It is very easy for him, so it is just the cost of the 3 years of school (he is doing a rural dentist program so if he stays rural debt is forgiven ) but I bet frustrating to have to sit through.  

As for Avery I believe I have seen posted she works in some sort of customer service/support job

[Jeanne222]

That Avery was able to latch herself onto somebody that even has the slightest chance of some kind of dental work is amazing watching this cast of misfits!

You go girl!  Lol

[Anduril]

This chick is stupid.  Islam is the worst religion in the world to convert to as a woman.  

[charmed1]

Not to be outdone by the widely popular Azan & Nicole Make-Up Company Store, the Avery & Omar Shitporium is open for business. This looks exactly like the website Rebecca and Zied have for shilling crap. 

[Frozendiva]

18K gold is that cheap? The $185 is dirt cheap considering gold is now $1500 US/$2000 CAD per ounce?

[Mrs. Hanson]

23 minutes ago, charmed1 said:

Not to be outdone by the widely popular Azan & Nicole Make-Up Company Store, the Avery & Omar Shitporium is open for business. This looks exactly like the website Rebecca and Zied have for shilling crap. 

I clicked on the link and a chat window popped up asking "Want to chat?"  Uh no.

[TrixieTrue]

On 10/9/2019 at 9:44 AM, silverspoons said:

It depends on the country but many have to redo school or training. My son's friend just started dental school and there is a dentist in his 40's. I believe from Brazil? and he has to do the 3 years over.  It is very easy for him, so it is just the cost of the 3 years of school (he is doing a rural dentist program so if he stays rural debt is forgiven ) but I bet frustrating to have to sit through.  

As for Avery I believe I have seen posted she works in some sort of customer service/support job

When I lived in NY, I went to NYU for my dental work. One of my student dentists already had a degree from a university in India, where he was from. It wasn't recognized here, and he had to do the whole program at NYU. 

My doctor (when I was in high school, so I mostly saw him for physicals and vaccines) was from Thailand and went to med school there. He had to do it all over after he moved to the US.  

It really depends on the country someone is from. I'm guessing that the US may not recognize a dentistry school in Syria. 

[RealReality]

12 hours ago, charmed1 said:

Not to be outdone by the widely popular Azan & Nicole Make-Up Company Store, the Avery & Omar Shitporium is open for business. This looks exactly like the website Rebecca and Zied have for shilling crap. 

11 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

I clicked on the link and a chat window popped up asking "Want to chat?"  Uh no.

Yikes!  I want to check it out for snark research purposes but I don't want to catch some robot virus.  

I'm not sure how popular nicoles store is, but i give her points for originality.  The rest of these people aren't being original so it's far less charming.  

[ALittleShelfish]

12 hours ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

I clicked on the link and a chat window popped up asking "Want to chat?"  Uh no.

C'mon! Take one for the team!

[lovesnark]

On 10/9/2019 at 12:44 AM, silverspoons said:

It depends on the country but many have to redo school or training. My son's friend just started dental school and there is a dentist in his 40's. I believe from Brazil? and he has to do the 3 years over.  It is very easy for him, so it is just the cost of the 3 years of school (he is doing a rural dentist program so if he stays rural debt is forgiven ) but I bet frustrating to have to sit through.  

As for Avery I believe I have seen posted she works in some sort of customer service/support job

I volunteer at a cat spay/neuter clinic doing surgical prep and worked with a lovely woman who was a veterinarian in Iraq. She had to do some of her school over (I don't remember how much) in order to be licensed in the US. I'm sure Omar will have to repeat at least a portion of his schooling before he can practice dentistry here.

[Christina]

The most recent episode reminded me of some rumors/dirt on Avery, so I went to see if I could find it again but was only able to find the one.

Avery accidentally sent her camera roll to someone instead of a single photo. In it there is a shot of an ultrasound starting rumors of her being pregnant. Avery said it was a photo of a friends not hers. Click the arrow on the right to advance to that photo.

This next one does not have any supporting evidence because people claim Avery admitted it but cannot post the proof for some reason.

It has been rumored from almost day one that Omar had been accepted into graduate school here in the US, had spent time here with his family in NJ, and may have financial interest in the restaurant owned by his family members. It was suggested that he was actually here and in school when Avery met him on Muzmatch, but had to return home because his Education Visa expired and the Travel Ban precluded him from receiving an extension. 

When someone tried to out him as having been in school with her husband, Avery supposedly asked her to remove the post because she thought it would be held against Omar when it came to receiving a Spousal Visa, for some reason. I believe Avery is dumb enough to believe such a thing, like she believed marrying him would force the US to let him come here, but at the same time, for as many people who claim the evidence exists it seems unlikely that no one can figure out how to provide it. Now with the college edition being announced the rumor has started again.

There are many tweets and grams about the next one, but I didn't bother to try and find one. Avery's store is being reviewed as overpriced junk that you can get anywhere. Avery has insisted that things come from the Middle East and are handcrafted, but someone posted a pair of earrings at TJMaxx (I think) that are the same as what Avery has on her website. There were also cheaper. People started calling Avery out for being misleading and she got all huffy and claimed she never said those specific earrings were from the Middle East and she can sell anything she wants. What she really wants is a second season and I don't think these attacks on viewers are going to help much. 

[Christina]

On 10/5/2019 at 12:39 PM, Mrs. Hanson said:

But does she @Christina?  She was shown living in the same house as her parents.  So I think Teri's involvement is fair.  They are both passive aggressive and have some major unhealthy communication styles, that is for sure.

She lives in a small apartment with roommates. She hasn't lived at home since she graduated. I know they filmed at her mom's house, hers was probably too small plus the roommates, but I don't think they said she lived at home still. She's posted video from her apartment many times.

[Christina]

I just came across one of Avery's Insta rants. She's defending Omar, but I haven't listened to it all.

[Persnickety1]

7 hours ago, Christina said:

The most recent episode reminded me of some rumors/dirt on Avery, so I went to see if I could find it again but was only able to find the one.

Avery accidentally sent her camera roll to someone instead of a single photo. In it there is a shot of an ultrasound starting rumors of her being pregnant. Avery said it was a photo of a friends not hers. Click the arrow on the right to advance to that photo.

This next one does not have any supporting evidence because people claim Avery admitted it but cannot post the proof for some reason.

It has been rumored from almost day one that Omar had been accepted into graduate school here in the US, had spent time here with his family in NJ, and may have financial interest in the restaurant owned by his family members. It was suggested that he was actually here and in school when Avery met him on Muzmatch, but had to return home because his Education Visa expired and the Travel Ban precluded him from receiving an extension. 

When someone tried to out him as having been in school with her husband, Avery supposedly asked her to remove the post because she thought it would be held against Omar when it came to receiving a Spousal Visa, for some reason. I believe Avery is dumb enough to believe such a thing, like she believed marrying him would force the US to let him come here, but at the same time, for as many people who claim the evidence exists it seems unlikely that no one can figure out how to provide it. Now with the college edition being announced the rumor has started again.

There are many tweets and grams about the next one, but I didn't bother to try and find one. Avery's store is being reviewed as overpriced junk that you can get anywhere. Avery has insisted that things come from the Middle East and are handcrafted, but someone posted a pair of earrings at TJMaxx (I think) that are the same as what Avery has on her website. There were also cheaper. People started calling Avery out for being misleading and she got all huffy and claimed she never said those specific earrings were from the Middle East and she can sell anything she wants. What she really wants is a second season and I don't think these attacks on viewers are going to help much. 

Such a..."convenient" leak, isn't it?  Probably perfectly times to coordinate with casting of next season since it's pretty apparent there is no more "journey" for her and Omar as she can't go there and he can't come here.  

But a possible pregnancy?  Yeah, that's the angle to go for another TLC paycheck!  

I'm not saying she can't be pregant.  I'm just think whether she is or not, this was deliberately released by Avery herself.  I know she's a moron, but who would "accidentally" send that to a friend?  And what sort of "friend" would leak it?  

Ugh.  These famewhores.  Again, I'm starting to firmly believe TLC should give none of them a second season.  One and done, then in a year or two, put out a 2-hour "Where Are They Now" epsiode that touches base with all the participants.  

Full disclosure:  I can't stand this attention-seeking twatwaffle anyway so I'm probably especially skeptical about anything she does.  

[DanaMB]

5 hours ago, Christina said:

I just came across one of Avery's Insta rants. She's defending Omar, but I haven't listened to it all.

Ugh. What a snot. 

[Mrs. Hanson]

8 hours ago, Christina said:

She lives in a small apartment with roommates. She hasn't lived at home since she graduated. I know they filmed at her mom's house, hers was probably too small plus the roommates, but I don't think they said she lived at home still. She's posted video from her apartment many times.

Thank you for clearing that up!!  Good to know she can support herself.  She still bugs.

[Rt66vintage]

6 hours ago, Christina said:

I just came across one of Avery's Insta rants. She's defending Omar, but I haven't listened to it all.

Avery's skin tone looks unhealthy, especially the dark circles under her eyes! She needs some sun. And, I agree, @DanaMB, what a snot.

[Persnickety1]

49 minutes ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

Thank you for clearing that up!!  Good to know she can support herself.  She still bugs.

I'm so petty when it comes to this asshole, even her screen name "o.m.a.ver.y." bugs me.  😄  

[magemaud]

32 minutes ago, Persnickety1 said:

I'm so petty when it comes to this asshole, even her screen name "o.m.a.ver.y." bugs me.  😄  

Does it mean something that I'm not getting? 

I did take perverse pleasure in her meltdown when the attorney told her that chances were slim that Avery would be allowed to come here and she'd hurt his chances even more if she moved to Syria. She's as delusional and snotty as Nicole that the rules don't apply to her (and she's looking like she'll be Nicole's size soon.) 

[Persnickety1]

39 minutes ago, magemaud said:

Does it mean something that I'm not getting? 

I did take perverse pleasure in her meltdown when the attorney told her that chances were slim that Avery would be allowed to come here and she'd hurt his chances even more if she moved to Syria. She's as delusional and snotty as Nicole that the rules don't apply to her (and she's looking like she'll be Nicole's size soon.) 

Oh, come sit by me because as I read your post I thought that the chances were the only thing "slim" where Avery was concerned.  

Her screen name is some not-so-clever way of combining Omar's initials and her name...in her own "unique" way.  It took me a minute to figure it out when I first tried reading it.  

And ironically, seeing the wind blow her coverup and expose her thighs, I told Mini Persnickety that I'll bet she's only about 50 lbs or less from having her Tagine Super Sized just like Nicole's thread name 😄 

(Mini Persnickety is also a died-hard TWOP/PTV'er and knew to what I was referring.  The love of snark fell not far from the maternal tree)

Edited October 20, 2019 by Persnickety1

[Mrs. Hanson]

1 hour ago, Rt66vintage said:

Avery's skin tone looks unhealthy, especially the dark circles under her eyes! She needs some sun. And, I agree, @DanaMB, what a snot.

I tried to listen to her IG post but I was unable to fast forward it so I skipped it as well.

1 hour ago, magemaud said:

Does it mean something that I'm not getting? 

I did take perverse pleasure in her meltdown when the attorney told her that chances were slim that Avery would be allowed to come here and she'd hurt his chances even more if she moved to Syria. She's as delusional and snotty as Nicole that the rules don't apply to her (and she's looking like she'll be Nicole's size soon.) 

I think she is going to be a stage 5 clinger onto Omar just as Nicole was (is?) towards Azan.  Sure they are married, however, she is almost unhinged with her obsession with him.  Her whole "I am gonna DANCE!" a la Footloose was cringy.  No, no you are NOT gonna dance in the streets -Muslim folk just do not do that.  Or at least Omar is asking you not to, so listen to him.  Not because he is angry or mad, he is just asking you not to.  Pick a different battle, Avery.