S02.E04: She Knows

[formerlyfreedom]

Celeste accuses Mary Louise of overstepping boundaries with Jane. Renata endures a prying court hearing with Gordon. Jane opens up to Corey at Amabella’s birthday party. Madeline continues to try to make things right with Ed. 

Airing Sunday, June 30, 2019

 

[Toodleoo]

Celeste is a complete fucking moron and this show is getting on my nerves.

[sashayshante]

Calling it Now...

Cory is Perry's half-brother. They wouldn't just casually drop the fact that Perry's father left and had more kids for no reason.

[mojoween]

As each episode concludes, it becomes more clear that this season was not necessary.

It is truly not enjoyable television to watch character after character swimming in a pit of misery.

Of course, I'm still going to stick with it because I'm no quitter.

Edited July 1, 2019 by mojoween

[Blakeston]

It just isn't plausible to me how Mary Louise keeps getting what she wants.

I've handwaved how stupidly Celeste handles her, because Celeste is self-destructive, and on some level I think Celeste believes that the children should be taken away from her.

But surely Celeste would have told Jane what Mary Louise said about her not really being raped. And then Jane would kick Mary Louise out of Ziggy's life. Because that's what a sane person would do.

[stagmania]

The biggest tell that these ladies are way off their games is that none of them saw what Mary Louise was obviously up to. I can’t believe they kept inviting her into their homes - I fully expected Maddie to slam the door in her face and was astonished when she let her in. 

I really really want to know what the hell happened in Bonnie’s past. Her dad was ice cold to her in that hospital scene. Is her mom seeing flashbacks, or visions?

I absolutely love the way Renata thinks. Shame on me for marrying a man who would be so careless with my dreams. That really struck me and it seemed to hit Gordon where he lived, too. 

I feel for Ed because he clearly doesn’t want to leave his family or his home, but how can you stay in a relationship where you feel so diminished and disrespected? Maddie is still so caught up in her drama that she’s barely allowing him space to feel whatever he needs to feel about it. 

I don’t understand why Jane is allowing Mary Louise to interact with Ziggy at all. She has no right to call herself his family and she has looked Jane right in the face and said she doesn’t believe Perry raped her. Why would you let her anywhere near your kid, especially knowing what she’s doing to Celeste? This one is really straining credulity for me. 

Edited July 1, 2019 by stagmania

[walnutqueen]

Wow, that Mary Louse is just all kinds of punchable.

She is triggering my unrealized (until now) desire to throw Momma-In-Law off a cliff.

I need a Xanax.  Or a blood pressure monitor.  Or both.

Edited July 1, 2019 by walnutqueen

[peggy06]

Maybe just a nitpick, but that scene where Chloe shows Madeline her project: That is just so over the top, even for a kid who's supposed to be old for her years. Unhinged, really?

I'm getting pretty worried about Bonnie, and I don't like how they keep showing that bridge.

So there was an accident and presumably, Perry's brother died. And his father blamed his mother. I wonder if Perry was really the one to blame?

[ferjy]

1 hour ago, walnutqueen said:

Wow, that Mary Louse is just all kinds of punchable.

She is triggering my unrealized (until now) desire to throw Mother-In-Law off a cliff.

I need a Xanax.  Or a blood pressure monitor.  Or both.

lol We've all had that desire at some point. 😉

I was looking forward to seeing Meryl Streep in this but I'm so disappointed in her storyline. Custody battle for the kids. 🙄 As if that hasn't been done before. They couldn't think of a more interesting scenario for her (and us)?

Edited July 1, 2019 by ferjy

[sunshine23]

31 minutes ago, sashayshante said:

Calling it Now...

Cory is Perry's half-brother. They wouldn't just casually drop the fact that Perry's father left and had more kids for no reason.

Good guess. I was trying to figure out how he would be related to Perry since Jane and he are becoming a couple.

Except for Renata and to some extent Jane, these women seem to have given up on life. What made them enjoyable to watch in season 1 is missing this season. OG Madeline would NEVER have let ML in her house nor left Celeste alone with her. I understand tragedy, grief, lying can mess with your brain but to change the characters 180 degrees has just sucked the joy out of this season.

Edited July 1, 2019 by sunshine23

[CatWarmer]

I wonder why if the bankruptcy court judge questioned the payment for Botox, he had no questions about the expenses for the disco party.  I can’t imagine anyone in town would not make them pay upfront.

Interesting question about who Corey is - Celeste certainly looked at him oddly.  If he is Perry’s half brother, he might have heard some dirt on Mary Louise from his father.

[sashayshante]

1 minute ago, sunshine23 said:

Good guess. I was trying to figure out how he would be related to Perry since Jane and he are becoming a couple.

My guess is he came to Monterey after hearing about Perry's death.

[Calamity Jane]

Did the bartender drug Celeste?  Was that another Mary Louise set-up?  Sure looked fishy to me. I think they’re making Mary Louise the baddest baddie ever, and it didn’t need to go that far to make an interesting story. They have my attention, have to say!  

[howivesforever]

8 minutes ago, Calamity Jane said:

Did the bartender drug Celeste?  Was that another Mary Louise set-up?  Sure looked fishy to me. I think they’re making Mary Louise the baddest baddie ever, and it didn’t need to go that far to make an interesting story. They have my attention, have to say!  

Celeste said she took an ambien.

[CleoCaesar]

Second episode in a row where I was rolling my eyes for most of it. It should not have taken Celeste this long to tell Mary Louise to fuck off. Why is everyone still even talking to her?

This season should have been called We Just Needed a Pretext to Hire Meryl Streep.

[walnutqueen]

30 minutes ago, ferjy said:

lol We've all had that desire at some point. 😉

I was looking forward to seeing Meryl Streep in this but I'm so disappointed in her storyline. Custody battle for the kids. 🙄 As if that hasn't been done before. They couldn't think of a more interesting scenario for her (and us).

If that isn't a veiled reference to Kramer vs Kramer, it should be!  ;~)

[Irlandesa]

3 minutes ago, Calamity Jane said:

Did the bartender drug Celeste?

I thought that's what happened but then Celeste told Maddie she took an Ambien so I don't think she was roofied---or at least, it was self-inflicted roofying. 

29 minutes ago, peggy06 said:

I'm getting pretty worried about Bonnie, and I don't like how they keep showing that bridge.

The drowning seems to suggest something but it could also just reflect the fact that she's drowning in the lie.

Is anyone starting to wonder if Bonnie and Ed end up sleeping together?  Or that she tells him the truth?  They seem to be circling together this season with Nathan's weird obsession harassing Ed or wanting Ed to talk to Bonnie, Ed actually talking with Bonnie and even in this episode, they were dancing next to one another. 

[ferjy]

8 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

If that isn't a veiled reference to Kramer vs Kramer, it should be!  ;~)

Ha, good point! At least that was done well and breaking for its time. This is just cliché. Concerned Grandma (or evil MIL?) fighting for the kids. They think they're being clever trying to shock us.  I'm more interested in her story of how her other son died and  how Perry's cycle of abuse started.

[UsernameFatigue]

39 minutes ago, CatWarmer said:

I wonder why if the bankruptcy court judge questioned the payment for Botox, he had no questions about the expenses for the disco party.  I can’t imagine anyone in town would not make them pay upfront.

Interesting question about who Corey is - Celeste certainly looked at him oddly.  If he is Perry’s half brother, he might have heard some dirt on Mary Louise from his father.

I thought Gordon said to Renata not to mention the party just before the meeting with the judge. So however they are paying for it, the judge doesn't know about the party. 

I noticed that the judge commented that Renata needed to hand over the watch, and then commented on the ring in the next sentence. When Renata took off the ring and put it on the table the watch was already there. Editing gremlins at work.

I also think Corey is related to Perry, and possibly his half brother. It is obvious he is much more interested in Ziggy than Jane. 

I am loving this season. I don't care that they are all miserable. The acting is so superb, that I am loving every scene. Celeste's slap of Mary Louise was fabulous. 

[izabella]

33 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

Is anyone starting to wonder if Bonnie and Ed end up sleeping together?  Or that she tells him the truth?  They seem to be circling together this season with Nathan's weird obsession harassing Ed or wanting Ed to talk to Bonnie, Ed actually talking with Bonnie and even in this episode, they were dancing next to one another.  

This is the most mystifying thing.  I feel like I have missed something because I cannot understand what Nathan's thing is about Ed.  That fight at the party was ridiculous!

[Anela]

12 minutes ago, izabella said:

This is the most mystifying thing.  I feel like I have missed something because I cannot understand what Nathan's thing is about Ed.  That fight at the party was ridiculous!

I haven't watched it yet, but maybe it's just that he's a good husband and father (to his daughter, and Ed's own). Also still smarting from the comments from the first episode, where he pointed out that he shouldn't be the one talking to Bonnie. 

[JoeyCrown]

I've never watched Desperate Housewives or any similar trash found on network TV, but this show is starting to feel like that.

Also, I keep wondering if Ed, Bonnie or Celeste work and if so, what do they do?

Edited July 1, 2019 by JoeyCrown

[CatWarmer]

The judge may not know about the party, but he didn’t know about the Botox either until he questioned an unknown expenditure.  Maybe the disco party people extended credit and think they’re going to get paid.  I assume there was a down payment but it was somewhat of a last minute plan so maybe it wasn’t in the judge’s paperwork.

[Paws]

I would have loved it if Maddie had just slammed the door in Mary Louises face. Celeste’s slapping ML  was great fun but between the Ambien, The slap, and the push of the kid when they were fighting, ML is making a TV worthy custody case (doubt it would ever pass muster in real life).

also, I’m kind of annoyed that we don’t see much of Bonnie’s or Renata's kitchen. I’m redoing mine and could use some ideas. Love Maddie’s but need more ideas. Celeste’s is too cold and sharp for my taste. 

Edited July 1, 2019 by Paws

[Irlandesa]

21 minutes ago, JoeyCrown said:

Also, I keep wondering if Ed, Bonnie or Celeste and if so, what do they do?

Ed is a tech guy/web designer who works from home most of the time.  Bonnie is a yoga teacher.  We saw her at work last season.  And Celeste was a lawyer before marrying Perry. She ended up staying home with the kids.  I'm pretty sure that was Perry's idea and another way he could control her. But it certainly seemed like he had a lot of money so she's probably well off even if she's not working.  (She did bust out her lawyer chops last season when they went up against the town counsel to be able to perform the play they wanted to.) It was a little strange that she didn't know who to go to when she needed a lawyer tonight, though.

Edited July 1, 2019 by Irlandesa

[tennisgurl]

Mary Louis is so freaking awful, to the point of me imagining people dressing up like her as a scary Halloween costume (grab your lightly colored sweaters and false teeth!) that its hard for me to admit that she might have a point about Celeste not being on her right mind right now for the twins. Clearly the twins should be as far away from Mary Louis as humanly possible, but maybe Celeste does need some help, what with the drug induced blackouts and driving while comatose or whatever.

For real though, even if the kids like her, everyone needs to stop letting Mary Louis just walk all over them when she is clearly up to no good. Especially with Zoggy. When will she start telling him that his dad was really a nice wonderful guy and his mom was a dirty slut or whatever insane thing that Mary Louis is saying now? No wonder Celeste slapped the glasses right off of her judgmental face! Why should Jane allow her anywhere near Ziggy, she has even less right to him than she does the twins! Everyone just needs to get her to back the hell off!

Nathan is so obsessed with Ed, I almost feel like he has the hots for him but has no idea how to handle it so he pulls his metaphorical (or literal this week) ponytail to get his attention like any dude who clearly has no idea what emotions are. Madeline's head might literally explode if something ever came of that though. I do think they might be heading for some kind of Bonnie and Ed flirtation, they have been pretty friendly lately, and both Madeline and Nathan were looking at them at the party looking not happy.

That party was so freaking extra, and so very Renetta. Her giving a speech about how its her fault for marrying her husband was peak Renetta. Celeste looked great especially in her 70s clothes, and Jane finally looked nice with that hair. Maybe she should wear more bandannas?

[JoeyCrown]

8 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

Ed is a tech guy/web designer who works from home most of the time.  Bonnie is a yoga teacher.  We saw her at work last season.  And Celeste was a lawyer before marrying Perry. She ended up staying home with the kids.  I'm pretty sure that was Perry's idea and another way he could control her. But it certainly seemed like he had a lot of money so she's probably well off even if she's not working.  (She did bust out her lawyer chops last season when they went up against the town counsel to be able to perform the play they wanted to.) It was a little strange that she didn't know who to go to when she needed a lawyer tonight, though.

Thanks.

[echo.Echo.ECHO]

2 hours ago, howivesforever said:

Celeste said she took an ambien.

Yabbut when? At the bar? During the hookup? After the hookup (and without kicking the guy out first)? Makes no sense. 

[slowpoked]

Judge: "Do you stand to inherit something?"

Renata: "I'm self-made."

God, I love Renata! She has the best lines.

[scrb]

Celeste made a mistake.  

She should have made a fist first.

Chloe the little budding troll.  If Mary Louise saw that visual joke she might try to get custody of her as well, so she can raise her to be her protege.

[Vella]

This is getting patently ridiculous, the way the Monterey 5 are NOT talking to each other about the things they NEED to talk to each other about, namely Mary Louise. I don't buy for a second that Maddie would be rolling over for ML at ALL.  Ed just talked about how Maddie is a 'charge' kind of woman in a crisis, so where the fuck is she?  Nobody should be letting Mary Louise at Celeste's home. Nobody should be allowing Mary Louise/Celeste to have private conversations. Seriously, am I really suppose to believe someone like Renata wouldn't be all over this shit, despite her financial/marital crisis?  And the way Celeste/Jane are not communicating AT ALL. It is immensely frustrating watching these women wilt and avoid Mary Louise's steamrolling, it's just absolute bullshit.

[icol]

When Nicole Kidman slapped Meryl Streep, I gasped. LOUDLY. 

[ElectricBoogaloo]

When Mary Louise just showed up at Madeline's house and barged into pumpkin carving time, I was so annoyed on behalf of Maddie, Celeste, Jane, Bonnie, and Renata that I had to pause the episode and get up to walk off some of my belligerence.

When I calmed down and turned the episode back on, I had to pause it again when she announced that she had decided to rent an apartment in Jane's building. FFS, Mary Louise. Seriously, slow your fucking roll, woman!

I'm glad that Bonnie is not letting her mom push her around. Even when I was a kid, I would see movies or tv shows where parents insisted on infantilizing their adult children and I thought ugh. I get that as a parent your kids will always be your babies but that doesn't mean you get carte blanche to push them around, always get your way, or treat them like literal babies.

Renata has tended to be a one note character so I liked when she told Gordon that her anger was about what he had taken away from their daughter, all the opportunities that Renata wanted to give her that she hadn't had as a child. As far as I'm concerned, she is more than justified in being furious that her hard earned money is gone, along with all of their assets. That was a shit thing for him to do to her and to their family.

I can't imagine that a bunch of 8 year olds would love disco enough to enjoy a disco themed birthday party, but that might just be my personal dislike of disco getting in the way. I remember kids having 50s/sock hop/Grease themed parties so it's not that I have an issue with kids liking retro stuff.

Bob can take a flying leap. First he accuses Bonnie of upsetting her mother and causing her stroke and then he tells Bonnie to calm down when she has the audacity to ask him if he's accusing her of upsetting her mother and causing her stroke. Fuck you, Bob.

And fuck you, Mary Louise, for acting concerned while gathering evidence to take Josh and Max away from their mother. I can't believe that Jane is still speaking to Mary Louise. Anyone who tells a rape victim to her face that maybe they weren't really raped gets a permanent kick to the curb.

[Armchair Critic]

I was cringing so hard when the  bartender strolled through shirtless in front of Mary Louise that I had to stop the show for a minute and then come back because I was dreading her reaction.

[Blakeston]

I'm sick of everyone on the show acting like Renata is headed to the poorhouse.

I get that to Renata, not having a mansion equals being poor. But even the other characters are talking about how she'll never be able to have another birthday party like this for Amabella ever again. Renata's a CEO. Isn't she on the board of Paypal? 

Even if she has to lose all of her current possessions and drop her husband, she'll still be making a fortune, and spending a few thousand dollars on a party will be entirely within her reach before long.

Even if she loses her job over the scandal, she'll still make fantastic money in consulting or something along those lines.

[Melina22]

Holy cow that was good! Best hour of TV I've watched in a week, and that's saying something. (I had a very TV-intensive week.) 

I gasped when Celeste slapped Mary Louise. I didn't see it coming, and it looked so real. 

I'm loving Meryl in this role. She really inhabits it in a complex way I didn't appreciate at first. 

As for Celeste, I just assumed she'd been blackout drunk the night before and didn't remember what she'd done till it was too late. Ambien certainly wouldn't help. 

Edited July 1, 2019 by Melina22

[Armchair Critic]

The actor playing Bonnie's dad is good at playing disturbed characters so I keep expecting something to come out about him.

[zobot81]

Boy, do I love a good Rectify crossover!  Pickle makes a mean, mean trustee.

Otherwise, this show is just extremely entertaining.  My advice to people who are no longer enjoying it: stop watching.  Because it's not worth the stress.

Renata's chain link black cord sweater wins for freshest threads of the week.  Looovvve.

Edited July 2, 2019 by zobot81
For God's sake, he's a trustee.

[Pestilentia]

Celeste is too smart to behave this stupidly. You'd think an attorney would be better at looking out for herself. It's annoyingly unrealistic- she gets this clueless "Duh, wha?" look on her face when anything happens and it's driving me nuts.  

And why is everyone being so accommodating to the shit stirring she-devil? Heads up Monterey 5 ladies- have a meeting, come to a consensus on how to deal with/ignore her, and stick to it. They are ALL playing right into her hands. Sloppy writing.

[BingeyKohan]

What is up with these 45 minute episodes? I think the producers think the episodes are ending on more compelling notes than they actually are.

Even though there was some misery in the first season I still felt the show was much more aspirational then (and therefore more enjoyable). Maybe it was just the novelty of it at the time but between the music and the interesting color palette and the luxury of seeming to drive around all day thinking and the real estate porn (and also more levity in general) the first season drew me in so much more. Perhaps they’re cutting us off from that this season to set a mood of wallowing and dread. But I really think they should have designated one character as comic relief. Hopefully Madeline or Renata will get their mojos back soon and it will be one or both of them.

Edited July 1, 2019 by BingeyKohan

[meira.hand]

21 hours ago, mojoween said:

It is truly not enjoyable television to watch character after character swimming in a pit of misery.

Of course, I'm still going to stick with it because I'm no quitter.

I guess Renata was right: We stay 🙂

 

20 hours ago, walnutqueen said:

Wow, that Mary Louse is just all kinds of punchable.

She is triggering my unrealized (until now) desire to throw Momma-In-Law off a cliff.

I need a Xanax.  Or a blood pressure monitor.  Or both.

At this rate it may end up with her having a similar fate to her son, transforming this into a whole new kind of series :).

[Chaos Theory]

I am really enjoying this season.  It is almost as good as the first.  Watching every character self destruct in almost logical ways is fascinating to watch.  

I am probably in the minority but I really feel sorry for Renata. I know we are in a time in history where rich white people ate inherently evil and Renata is a first class bitch but she made her money honestly and like she said herself her only real crime was marrying badly.   She wasn’t the one who committed a felony and yet she is being taken down by it.

I also feel sorry for Celeste.  She is drowning in a sea of misery and  Mary Louise is just making it worse.  I am not sure if we are seeing the passive aggressive woman who turned Perry into a monster but she is definitely pushing all of Celeste’s buttons and trying to get custody of her kids is a low blow.   

If I was Jane I would worry too.  How long before Mary Louise starts to question her parenting choices?   The guy she is dating?    Maybe you know she should take Ziggy?????

Edited July 1, 2019 by Chaos Theory

[Paws]

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3 hours ago, icol said:

When Nicole Kidman slapped Meryl Streep, I gasped. LOUDLY. 

My husband who was just walking by when that happened gasped loudly too. It was so unexpected!  Maybe Celeste does have a pill problem, or maybe Mary Louise is drugging her? She’s been such a different character this season.

[Haleth]

Last week I was all Team Ed but his passive aggressive behavior is getting old.  Maddie was right, either leave or agree to fix their marriage.  Constantly reminding Maddie that he's been wronged (and flirting with Bonnie) while rejecting counseling doesn't help.

Yeah, I called it in ep 2 that Mary Louise was going to go after the boys.  As much as I can't stand her and think she's manufacturing a questionable list of wrongs, Celeste is a mess.  The ambien blackouts are putting the kids at risk.  Still, I wish Maddie had shut the door in her face.  And certainly Jane needs to tell her to stay away from her son.  Or maybe Jane should move again, far far away.  Renata and Gordon can move into her apartment. 🙂

I do not read spoilers so if this is true it's just because I've been thinking for weeks that the clues are there-- I believe Bonnie is going to try (?) to drown herself.  Either her mother is having flashes of a previous incident or is having premonitions.  There are too many references to drowning for it not be a literal event.  (Of course they are all drowning figuratively.)

Edited July 1, 2019 by Haleth

[ElectricBoogaloo]

I have mixed feelings about Ed. He just found out that his wife cheated on him AND that Abigail already knew about it, so he's understandably hurt and upset. He deserves some time to process his anger. He shouldn't be expected to immediately get over it or make a decision about his marriage right away. I think making a big decision while you're still upset is not a good idea.

But that's why I think that Ed and Maddie need to continue seeing a therapist regularly. They need to make progress, not just stay stuck in the same place where he's clearly still upset and she's anxiously waiting to see if he wants to try to work things out or leave.

I do get what Maddie said to him. If he's going to leave her, she'd rather know sooner rather than later so that she can either start rebuilding a new life or start fixing things with him. I understand why she wants to know, especially since it seems like he hasn't been very communicative with her when they're in the house at the same time.

I can't tell exactly how much time has passed since he found out about her affair (the first episode was the first day of school and this episode was some time before Halloween so it's definitely been less than two months) and there's no exact timeline for deciding if your wife's affair was a deal breaker, but he can't keep punishing her indefinitely.

Don't get me wrong - she did a terrible thing and he's allowed to be mad at her. But he can't keep up the (mostly) silent treatment forever. At some point, he needs to actually deal with it one way or another, either by leaving or starting to mend fences with her. What he really needs to decide is whether he can forgive her and trust her again because if he can't do both of those things, there is no relationship left to salvage. You can't be in a relationship with someone you don't trust and you can't be with someone if you're still holding a grudge. I'm not saying he has to do both of those things immediately because it takes time to heal a rift like this, but if he knows that he will never be able to forgive her or trust her, then he should just put both of them out of their misery and divorce her. There's no reason to torture everyone in their family by staying if he knows he can't forgive her.

[PepSinger]

Dear Ed,

Either shit or get off the pot. Yes, Madeline is the one who had the affair. However, Ed either needs to commit to working on their marriage or filing for divorce. Passive-aggressiveness isn’t cute on anybody. Like, why the fuck did he show up at Amabella’s party and act surprised that his wife, who is trying to remedy things, would ask him to dance? He is so put out by it, and I’m baffled. It’s like, why did you choose to even go at all?

Mary Louise is a true piece of work. She disgusts me every time she doubts Jane was raped. That being said, what the hell is going on with Celeste? I’ve never taken Ambien, but are constant blackouts normal?! If I were Celeste, I’d book an emergency appointment with my PCP/m and/or psychiatrist to figure out why these drugs keep making me blackout and to see if I could be prescribed something with less harmful side effects. Celeste is going to have a very hard time defending medication inducing blackouts. She needs to go on the offensive here, as do all these women.

[Chaos Theory]

2 hours ago, Pestilentia said:

Celeste is too smart to behave this stupidly. You'd think an attorney would be better at looking out for herself. It's annoyingly unrealistic- she gets this clueless "Duh, wha?" look on her face when anything happens and it's driving me nuts.  

And why is everyone being so accommodating to the shit stirring she-devil? Heads up Monterey 5 ladies- have a meeting, come to a consensus on how to deal with/ignore her, and stick to it. They are ALL playing right into her hands. Sloppy writing.

Celeste is also an abused wife.  I have known plenty of high powered women in these bad relationships.  Hell even Renata  to a certain extent stays with a man who abused her trust to such an impossible level.    People stay.  I would say “women” stay but Ed is staying with a woman he know has cheated on him and lied to him.....constantly.

As for Mary Louise  no one knows what she knows and yeah and she is just passive aggressive enough to get under their skin but up until now to not give them a reason to feel threatened.

Edited July 1, 2019 by Chaos Theory

[NeenerNeener]

4 hours ago, icol said:

When Nicole Kidman slapped Meryl Streep, I gasped. LOUDLY. 

I cheered, because I was thinking that I would have done it well before that point.

Really, Mary Louise should be wondering if she's at least partially responsible for how Perry turned out, not trying to take his kids away from their mother. I wonder if her marriage was as twisted as Celeste's.

Edited July 1, 2019 by NeenerNeener

[meira.hand]

After this second Ambien episode, I am beginning to think Mary Louise may have switched Celeste's medicine into some other roofie. We did see her finding it in Celeste's drawer and it could have given her the idea.

[Ms Blue Jay]

8 hours ago, JoeyCrown said:

Also, I keep wondering if Ed, Bonnie or Celeste work and if so, what do they do?

I'm pretty sure Ed is a music executive, Bonnie is a yoga teacher, and Celeste is an out of work lawyer.  (Someone upthread said that Ed is a tech/web guy.  I think I got confused because of the littlest kid - Chloe's? - precocious taste in music from Season 1.)

I still don't get what Renata and/or Gordon do for a living?  (Someone upthread says Renata is a CEO - CEO of what?)

Edited July 1, 2019 by Ms Blue Jay