S09.E15: One Wedding And A Polygraph

[Coffeewinewater]

44 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

I noticed that too! When entered, she looked almost angry to be there, and when Kyle told her she looked pretty, after smiling and saying thank you she made what looked like a deliberate frown. 

She didnt look happy but teenage girls can moody. At least that's my experience.  I'll take a grumpy moody quiet, not really thrilled to be on camera over a Rinna daughter anyday. 

I honestly thought it was Denise's daughter they look similar. At least to me.

Edited May 22, 2019 by Coffeewinewater

[Gem 10]

30 minutes ago, dosodog said:

I would imagine prostate exams aren't cheap.

So yeah.... 

 

I can’t believe her telling the world about that prostate thingamajig she did with Kelsey.  She’s a real classy one, that Camille.  NOT !!!!!!!

[KungFuBunny]

12 hours ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Her outfit was super miscalculated! Egads she looked fat short and old. And homeless.  

She was AWESOME. An iconic cameo. That HAD to be a wig though. Right? 

Did you see the bridesmaid almost get run over!??? That was nearly a grisly accident. 

9 hours ago, swankie said:

🤣🤣🤣🤣  And they almost dragged that one bridesmaid!  Who was driving it?  That was the only scene that didn't make me yawn! 

I think Camille wanted to arrive at the venue in a Classic Vintage EXPENSIVE car, I don't think she understood it would resemble a Volkswagon Beetle.

She's lucky her wedding gown/train - lace wouldn't show the wrinkles. It looked like there were 4 of them that had to fold up like Transformers to get in there. They should have filmed them getting out of the car - that would have been hilarious.

That poor bridesmaid by the open door of the car!

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, TattleTeeny said:

The way Mauricio asked, "Have I said that often?" (or something like it) made me laugh out loud.

I laughed out loud when at the dinner, he asked "Who is getting married again?"    🙂

Edited May 22, 2019 by njbchlover

[Baltimore Betty]

2 hours ago, TV Diva Queen said:

What’s with the cheesy Christmas movie that are use was shooting?  The decorations in that bedroom were hilarious. 

Denise was also Ross and Monica’s cousin who Ross tried to make out with. Not sure where that fall into in Charlie years. 

And Camille, yes the “house is all yours” but Kelsey indirectly paid for it. Don’t kid yourself. 

Hallmark movies, they are the cheesiest.  

Camille reminded me of Zsa Zsa Gabor's line about how she is an excellent housekeeper, when she divorces a husband...she keeps the house!

[ivygirl]

1 hour ago, filmfan2480 said:

I have something to say that has been bugging me, a bit. 

Everyone here is tired of Puppygate and the fall-out.  Me too!

That said, every week all I read from commenters is, I'm so bored.  This is boring.  Borrrring.  I'd love to know ... why you watchin? 

What exactly are you expecting?  These are Beverly Hills women doing Beverly Hills things.  Living in ornate homes.  Shopping.  Having lunch.  Having dinners.  Having game nights.  Gossiping.  Doing some charity work.  Seeing them out and about for this or that function.  Trips overseas.  Doing everyday stuff (you know, "reality").  And I repeat, gossiping.  LOL.

However, what more are you expecting?  What are they not doing that you all want them to be doing?  I genuinely don't understand the expectations of viewers for these Housewife shows.

I watch partly because, even though boring, I want to keep up with the story. If a show ends up genuinely bad, I do stop watching at the end of the season. 

The other reason? I’d miss posting with everyone! The conversation is often better than the show.

Edited May 22, 2019 by ivygirl

[RealHousewife]

I also didn’t like the joke about Erika tucking it in. I don’t think most women want anyone joking about them like that. Besides, they all know for a fact she doesn’t! 😂

[Kdawg82]

Haven't finished the ep yet but yesshhh it is BORING up in here!! These ladies don't bring anything. I think Edwin is gunning for his own diamond next season. I wanted to add that I heard in the show "Adam ruins everything" that even the guy who invented the lie detector said it is b.s. and doesn't at all work. I feel for anyone who has been wrongly accused and the l.d. is the final piece of "evidence" that convicted them. Except of course LVP bc who cares, honestly. 

[cheewhiz]

Edwin, take that stupid baseball hat off...especially at a nice dinner. Geesh

Also Edwin, never, ever do that teeny tiny pony tail thing.

That's all I got from this episode

[KungFuBunny]

10 hours ago, LovesTheDrama said:

Dorit wore a scrunchy to the wedding! Has she never seen Sex and the City?

Camille’s daughter did not look happy to be involved in her mom's wedding. I wish we had seen a little more of her. I love Camille’s mom and hope her travel to Hawaii didn’t take too much out of her. 

According to Camille in the Aftershow clip, Mason cried - she wasn't happy her mother was getting married. I do wonder what that's about since her father married years ago.

[islandgal140]

12 hours ago, breezy424 said:

A true polygraph takes time to administer.  This took five minutes?

I'm sure we didn't see the entire test, but where he lost me was when he stated that lie detectors were 100% accurate and totally prove she was telling the truth? Pregnancy tests and condoms aren't even 100% accurate but a lie detector test is? Girl bye. 

LVP overplayed her hand with this stunt. 

Camille was bringing the real estate porn and the scenic views. Her Hawaii home is stunning. STUNNING! I wanted to see more of it. The wedding ... STUNNING! 

I didn't love her dress though. Maybe if it was a different lace but it just looked too heavy. 

I think that was the most basic hotel the BH wives have ever stayed in. Great views and grounds but on the inside it was a typical Marriott - not that there is anything wrong with that. 

Apart from the lie detector mess, I enjoyed this episode. 

[abc123]

 Why do housewives seem to have no respect for time/a schedule? It is so rude. Even Teddi didn’t appear to be on the shuttle in time. 

[IKnowRight]

1 hour ago, BloggerAloud said:

It's probably because their dynamics are so stale at this point. Other than the big Michael Darby storyline on Potomac, not a ton happens but those ladies genuinely are hilarious with one another so it makes seemingly boring things interesting because of the chemistry. The same can go with RHONY because their dynamic is at least still interesting and feels somewhat true to life.

RHOBH just is more about alliances than actual friendships.

This!

As someone posted earlier, the problem is most of these women are not interesting on their own, thus why it’s not as fun as say, RHNY.

I thought Brandi becoming a real housewife was the first mistake.  She didn’t fit in, but the producers thought the conflict was what viewers were looking for and took her on.  Rinna, who I thought I would like, only cares about creating conflict and focuses on the drama.  She and Brandi are not as funny and clever as they think they are...she went after Kim relentlessly and has been chewing on LVPs backside for several seasons.

I think LVP, Kyle, and Erica are the most interesting as individuals.  Camille stirs it up, but she belongs in my opinion.

Remember the low ratings years on RHNY when Bethany left and we were stuck with people like boring Kristin?  Such a lack of chemistry.  Remember the God awful years with Vicki and Brooks vs everyone else?!  That’s not pleasant television.  While I’m not a fan of Vicki, I don’t mind her when she’s getting along with the others.

Love her or hate her (I’m entertained by her) LVP is good tv, Teddi and Dorit are just a no go!  I guess we can never repeat the magic of season 1 of RHBH with the focus on constant fighting.

[Josette]

3 hours ago, Mr. Minor said:

Denise was in a movie called Drop Dead Gorgeous, I haven't seen it mentioned, it's worth checking out. imo!  

Denise's shining moment:

[RealHousewife]

10 minutes ago, islandgal140 said:

I'm sure we didn't see the entire test, but where he lost me was when he stated that lie detectors were 100% accurate and totally prove she was telling the truth? Pregnancy tests and condoms aren't even 100% accurate but a lie detector test is? Girl bye. 

LVP overplayed her hand with this stunt. 

Camille was bringing the real estate porn and the scenic views. Her Hawaii home is stunning. STUNNING! I wanted to see more of it. The wedding ... STUNNING! 

I didn't love her dress though. Maybe if it was a different lace but it just looked too heavy. 

I think that was the most basic hotel the BH wives have ever stayed in. Great views and grounds but on the inside it was a typical Marriott - not that there is anything wrong with that. 

Apart from the lie detector mess, I enjoyed this episode. 

I agree about Camille’s house. She has excellent taste. Her house is absolutely gorgeous without looking like a museum. 

[Blondie]

Doesn't matter how cheesy the lie detector test was, those women aren't going to believe anything she says anyway.  They don't want to.  Especially Rinna, Kyle and Teddi. 

And speaking of Rinna, ewww yuck.  She's sick yet she sticks her bloated lips and schnozz right over the spaghetti/cheese and takes a big old sniff!  Just gross.  Spread the germs cause you can't enjoy it. 

Dorit double talked her way out of the love most/least liked discussion.  She's a tool. 

Oh for the love of Pete, Teddi is so uninteresting.  She has the personality of dripping faucet.

[Giselle]

35 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

I also didn’t like the joke about Erika tucking it in. I don’t think most women want anyone joking about them like that. Besides, they all know for a fact she doesn’t! 😂

It was an unnecessary slam with no truth. LVP will roll it off as british humor and put the onus on Erica that she can't take a joke.

It was petty and LVP is less for it.

[eleanorofaquitaine]

All I could think of when seeing Patrick Muldoon was that he played Rinna's brother, Austin Reed, on Days of our Lives. I suppose there was no way for Denise to mention it without being super obvious but I wanted her to. 

[RealHousewife]

Yeah I remember him from Days. I didn’t know he and Rinna hooked up. 

Patrick Muldoon was gorgeous in his prime! Anyone who’s not familiar with him should google! Sounds like he thoroughly enjoyed being the stud he was, as he had both Denise and Rinna at the same time! 

[esco1822]

8 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

All I could think of when seeing Patrick Muldoon was that he played Rinna's brother, Austin Reed, on Days of our Lives. I suppose there was no way for Denise to mention it without being super obvious but I wanted her to. 

Rinna had already mentioned it in the episode that had Denise's wedding that Muldoon attended. 

[Jel]

1 minute ago, abc123 said:

 Why do housewives seem to have no respect for time/a schedule? It is so rude. Even Teddi didn’t appear to be on the shuttle in time. 

Teddi's rules don't apply to Teddi. 

I'm so tired of this grade school stuff.

[Keywestclubkid]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Hallmark movies, they are the cheesiest.  

If you can get into the Hallmark movie market these people can make HUGE BANK and they will reuse and actress over and over and over Thats how Aunt Becky was making all her money she was pretty much exclusive with the network ... the movies might be cheesy has hell but who wouldn't want to do that and make hella good money? I'm amazed Rinna hasn't tried to bust into the market yet

Edited May 22, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[Keywestclubkid]

RHOBH': Lisa Vanderpump slammed for 'transphobic' comment about Erika Jayne

https://www.aol.com/article/entertainment/2019/05/21/rhobh-lisa-vanderpump-slammed-for-transphobic-comment-about-erika-jayne/23732407/

[Jel]

12 minutes ago, Giselle said:

It was an unnecessary slam with no truth. LVP will roll it off as british humor and put the onus on Erica that she can't take a joke.

It was petty and LVP is less for it.

No one makes more references to Erika "having a dick" than Erika herself.  

I imagine that's what gave Lisa the idea.

[Keywestclubkid]

5 minutes ago, Jel said:

No one makes more references to Erika "having a dick" than Erika herself.  

I imagine that's what gave Lisa the idea.

But they arnt close shes not friends with her so why make a dig other then to be a bitch? it wasn't done out of love she said she didn't like any of the girls episodes ago and to be such a champion of the gay cause and use a slam to insinuate that she is trans not a good look for the "queen" of the gays

Edited May 22, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[Stinger97]

There's no denying that the drama has been ratcheted down to less-than-zero since Lisa and Kyle had their falling out. That said, I've still been entertained. I enjoyed seeing Hawaii, Camille's house and her wedding. I also loved Mauricio's interactions with everyone at dinner while he was high as a kite. 

I agree with everyone that took issue with Lisa arranging the lie detector. Although I get what she was after, it just comes off as extremely petty. She didn't do herself any favors by taking it so, in the end, it was just a waste of money. No doubt Sessa was just thrilled to get another couple minutes of airtime, though. 

Denise continues to be a lame edition to the cast. If your biggest storyline is running lines with Patrick Muldoon and filming a Hallmark holiday movie, you're going to end up on the one-and-done pile of former housewives. She seems like a perfectly sweet woman but, oof. 

[islandgal140]

7 hours ago, MrsWitter said:

In fairness to scrunchies (not Dorit- never Dorit), scrunchies are having a major revival. Even Vogue is chronicling the best designer scrunchies to purchase. I’m sure Dorit’s had some horrible designer logo on it that we couldn’t see.

I rebuke this in the name of Chanel.

Let's us bow our heads in a prayer to fashion. 

Armani,

Which art in Fendi

Hallowed be thy Prada

Thy Birkin bag

Thy Burberry coat

On Regent

As it is in Harrods

Give us this day our Visa Gold

And forgive us this overdraft

As we forgive those who cut our credit card

Lead us not into Primark

And deliver us from Selfridges

For thine is the Chanel, the Marc Jacobs and Versace

For Dolce & Gabbana

Amex

1 hour ago, Gem 10 said:

I can’t believe her telling the world about that prostate thingamajig she did with Kelsey.  She’s a real classy one, that Camille.  NOT !!!!!!!

She also said she used a strap on dildo with Kelsey. She is airing that man's business out. 

Edited May 22, 2019 by islandgal140

[eleanorofaquitaine]

11 minutes ago, esco1822 said:

Rinna had already mentioned it in the episode that had Denise's wedding that Muldoon attended. 

I couldn't remember if she had already mentioned it (actually, I don't think I saw that episode, but I figured it might have already been mentioned).

1 minute ago, Jel said:

No one makes more references to Erika "having a dick" than Erika herself.  

I imagine that's what gave Lisa the idea.

I'm not a fan of Erika's and I'm not a fan of Erika saying that. But LVP CLEARLY meant what she said as an insult to Erika and by doing so, she implied that there is something shameful or wrong with a woman who "tucks." That is different from Erika implying that she is strong, which is the way, I think, that Erika means it. One is a compliment, the other is an insult. And since LVP meant it as an insult, it's reasonable to interpret it as transphobic.

LVP should know better, since she claims to care so deeply about the LGBTQ community.

[Jel]

1 minute ago, Keywestclubkid said:

But they arnt close shes not friends with her so why make a dig other then to be a bitch? it wasn't done out of love she said said she didnt like any of the girls episodes ago

It sure wasn't done out of love, I agree. It was a snarky joke, like many of us do around here.

But Erika seems cool with the idea of her having at least a metaphorical dick, so I hope she doesn't get her knickers in a knot about it.

Aw and now I am assuming Erika has knickers...

[eleanorofaquitaine]

Just now, Jel said:

It sure wasn't done out of love, I agree. It was a snarky joke, like many of us do around here.

But Erika seems cool with the idea of her having at least a metaphorical dick, so I hope she doesn't get her knickers in a knot about it.

Aw and now I am assuming Erika has knickers...

It's not Erika who is insulted by it, it's members of the trans community.  It wasn't just a "snarky joke," it was an insult that trades on some pretty gross attitudes towards trans women.

[Keywestclubkid]

3 minutes ago, Jel said:

It sure wasn't done out of love, I agree. It was a snarky joke, like many of us do around here.

But Erika seems cool with the idea of her having at least a metaphorical dick, so I hope she doesn't get her knickers in a knot about it.

Aw and now I am assuming Erika has knickers...

there is a difference in saying get off my dick or i have a dick and mean I am a tough woman.... and insinuating that someone is a man and needs to tuck one is a obvious slam the other is just I'm tough

[Jel]

2 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

It's not Erika who is insulted by it, it's members of the trans community.  It wasn't just a "snarky joke," it was an insult that trades on some pretty gross attitudes towards trans women.

It was a snarky joke towards Erika. I do not believe Lisa meant it to insult the trans community. Sometimes people say things, rather thoughtlessly, that have unintended meanings. 

[Jel]

1 minute ago, Keywestclubkid said:

there is a difference in saying get off my dick or i have a dick and mean I am a tough woman.... and insinuating that someone is a man and needs to tuck one is a obvious slam the other is just I'm tough

It was a snarky joke, a slam. She wasn't being sweet to Erika when she said it.  And Erika hasn't always been sweet when she's said things about Lisa either. 

[KungFuBunny]

2 hours ago, Giselle said:

Good! She should get heat. 

She will only apologize if her West Hollywood restaurant receipts are down this week. 

She better send Erica more than a hand written apologetic note.

I hope Erika Jayne makes a parody music video:

I'm gonna Polygraph my puss say

Polygraph my puss say

Attach the blood pressure cuff

Directly to mah muff

With all my botox I don't perspire

which makes me a motherfucking liar

[Keywestclubkid]

2 minutes ago, Jel said:

It was a snarky joke, a slam. She wasn't being sweet to Erika when she said it.  And Erika hasn't always been sweet when she's said things about Lisa either. 

But that's the rub I'm sure Erika could give two shits about what Lisa said .... its the WHOLE Trans and gay community that Lisa said she "loves" that she slammed so she is using us (the gay community for promotion of herself and her business when it suites her and still making jokes at our expense) that's not an ally that's a calculating bitch 

[RealHousewife]

10 minutes ago, Jel said:

It was a snarky joke towards Erika. I do not believe Lisa meant it to insult the trans community. Sometimes people say things, rather thoughtlessly, that have unintended meanings. 

I didn’t like it either, but I totally believe Lisa is genuinely an ally of the LGBT community. I for one really appreciate her, because unfortunately a lot of folks her and definitely Ken’s age aren’t as openminded and openhearted. I also agree with her that they need the heterosexual voice. We all say insensitive things we wish we could take back.

6 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

I hope Erika Jayne makes a parody music video:

I'm gonna Polygraph my puss say

Polygraph my puss say

Attach the blood pressure cuff

Directly to mah muff

With all my botox I don't perspire

which makes me a motherfucking liar

This is hilarious!!!! 

[Jel]

1 minute ago, Keywestclubkid said:

But that's the rub I'm sure Erika could give two shits about what Lisa said .... its the WHOLE Trans and gay community that Lisa said she "loves" that she slammed so she is using us (the gay community for promotion of herself and her business when it suites her and still making jokes at our expense) that's not an ally that's a calculating bitch 

I can only speak from my own experience, but I have always had lots of gay and trans friends and I have heard them make a "tuck" joke many times.  Far too many to count. In my experience of gay culture, the humor is British humor on steroids.  I think it was not a good thing to say, but I don't think it belies a secret transphobia or underlying hatred of gay men. 

[RealHousewife]

1 minute ago, Jel said:

I can only speak from my own experience, but I have always had lots of gay and trans friends and I have heard them make a "tuck" joke many times.  Far too many to count. In my experience of gay culture, the humor is British humor on steroids.  I think it was not a good thing to say, but I don't think it belies a secret transphobia or underlying hatred of gay men. 

This has been pretty much my experience as well. 

[Keywestclubkid]

27 minutes ago, Jel said:

I can only speak from my own experience, but I have always had lots of gay and trans friends and I have heard them make a "tuck" joke many times.  Far too many to count. In my experience of gay culture, the humor is British humor on steroids.  I think it was not a good thing to say, but I don't think it belies a secret transphobia or underlying hatred of gay men. 

There is so much internal homophobia/transphhobia in the community NO one should be making these jokes gay or str8.... but not being apart of the community ie being gay lesbian trans etc etc  and being a cig rich white woman she should keep her mouth shut ... would it be ok if she was using the N word? same basic principle don't use slurs that have history of hate esp when you weren't ever the target of the hate  people are still dying hell a trans woman was just murdered days ago.... This is what kills me about these franchises Atlanta is the worst offender with the lesbian digs and the digs of someones husband might be gay or acts gay.... The casual homophobia thrown around like its no big deal and never being called out on it ... it might be a joke to these ladies but its real life for MILLIONS of people who are murdered, shunned, kicked out, and all manner of other things that these women will never have to deal with but its cute for them to joke tho...

Edited May 22, 2019 by Keywestclubkid

[nexxie]

23 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I couldn't remember if she had already mentioned it (actually, I don't think I saw that episode, but I figured it might have already been mentioned).

I'm not a fan of Erika's and I'm not a fan of Erika saying that. But LVP CLEARLY meant what she said as an insult to Erika and by doing so, she implied that there is something shameful or wrong with a woman who "tucks." That is different from Erika implying that she is strong, which is the way, I think, that Erika means it. One is a compliment, the other is an insult. And since LVP meant it as an insult, it's reasonable to interpret it as transphobic.

LVP should know better, since she claims to care so deeply about the LGBTQ community.

LVP’s “caring” about the LGBTQ community serves the same purpose as her “passion” for dogs - it’s as much a part of her curated persona as the exaggerated accent and the color pink.

[Nicmar]

56 minutes ago, Josette said:

Denise's shining moment:

I actually love that movie!!!! LOL

[princelina]

2 hours ago, chenoa333 said:

YES! Teddi IS masculine looking (her face) and Mr. Teddi looks like a pussified "I wanna be a rock star".

That's because all he really wants to be is a back-up dancer 😄 

[Giselle]

48 minutes ago, Jel said:

No one makes more references to Erika "having a dick" than Erika herself.  

I imagine that's what gave Lisa the idea.

What Erica said about herself is entirely different than what LVP insinuated.

It also doesn't excuse LVP.

To use LVP's very own words "What does that say about her character?"

I imaging Erica took LVP's slam towards her as a "consider the source" and the bitch's words have no power. She's more pissed that LVP used a group of people to make a derogatory remark.

[Thumper]

I found it unsettling that Camille really expected (or wanted) her  mother, fresh out of the hospital, to fly across the U.S. and then to Hawaii -- for her daughter's (2nd) wedding!!!  Had that been me, I would have felt better if Mom didn't wear herself out doing all that travel, right out of the hospital.  Camille is a grown woman.  Seemed self-absorbed to me. 

[car54]

Before this season started I remember reading on one of the gossip sites that the reason Denise and Aaron threw together their 2-day warning wedding was to get her on the show--and that they didn't even have the legal paperwork--it was just for the show.

It was just after Charlie tried to cut his payments to her because he's blown all his  money, so I assume she needs to be on the show and to be filming lifetime movies to keep them going--I've no idea how much Aaron's work brings in.

I am not sure where they moved to Malibu from--I remember the days at the peak of Charlie craziness where he lived on a cul-de-sac and he got his exes places on the same street so he had like a little compound.

[LibertarianSlut]

3 hours ago, filmfan2480 said:

I have something to say that has been bugging me, a bit. 

Everyone here is tired of Puppygate and the fall-out.  Me too!

That said, every week all I read from commenters is, I'm so bored.  This is boring.  Borrrring.  I'd love to know ... why you watchin? 

What exactly are you expecting?  These are Beverly Hills women doing Beverly Hills things.  Living in ornate homes.  Shopping.  Having lunch.  Having dinners.  Having game nights.  Gossiping.  Doing some charity work.  Seeing them out and about for this or that function.  Trips overseas.  Doing everyday stuff (you know, "reality").  And I repeat, gossiping.  LOL.

However, what more are you expecting?  What are they not doing that you all want them to be doing?  I genuinely don't understand the expectations of viewers for these Housewife shows.

I think this is a fantastic post, and I look forward to reading more answers.  I'll say why I watch (and what makes me want to turn it off), and I have some notes, just in case production is reading and needs my opinion stat 🙂

I watch almost exclusively for the conflicts, but it's a specific type of conflict that satiates me.  Kyle running over to LVP's house to confront her is over-the-top.  I like women who generally get along, who are in the same age and status group, who have well-articulated conflicts, where each person has a legitimate side, even though someone's side may be more legit than the other's.  Case-in-point:  Teddi vs Camille at camping.  Then, I like them to reflect on the conflict, everyone gives their take, and they resolve it.  As long as the players vary, and--this is important to me--the alliances vary--I can watch this formula play out over and over, season after season, across the franchises (much to my husband's chagrin).  So if I say an episode was boring, it's usually because I was expecting more conflict.

Having said that,  I think all the fun is lost when someone is completely in the wrong, like Nene this past season of RHOA, or someone is inarticulate, like Teresa Giudice.  I also don't like when we have the same stale alliances, because it means to me that people are just standing up for each other out of blind allegiance, as opposed to the person who has the more compelling argument.  

I don't care especially about house, travel or food "porn."  I feel like those things can be seen on several other television shows.  In fact, I'm going to take this opportunity to remove the word "porn" from my vocabulary, unless it's referring to actual pornography.  I feel like the word "porn" has been overused.  It's like Mauricio's "AMAAAAZING."

What I do like to see?  Is women of similar ages.  I don't like when they cast women who are old enough to be each others' children and mothers, and expect them to interact organically.  It sets up a very bizarre and inauthentic dynamic for me.  RHOC is probably the worst with this.  In real life, unless people are family, I don't see many inter-generational relationships.  I'm in my 30s, and throughout my life, my friends have been, almost without exception, my age or up to two years older.  Anything more than half a decade difference?  I just chalk it up to being in different stages of life.  I'm not really going to get into it with someone who is in college, or someone who is old enough to be my mom.  I'm just gonna be like, eh, that's where she is in her head space right now.  So I think it's really stupid to see women in their 50s fighting with women in their 20s/30s.  I think the ideal ages for casting are like 45-55, and never castmates more than 15 years apart, unless one or both of them is bringing something utterly fucking breathtaking to the table. There are enough shows featuring women in their twenties.  Sex and the City took care of women in their 30s lol.  I think the best casting was early seasons of RHOC, when the women were in the above age range (save for Jo, who was probably a miscast), and they had kids who were in their late teens and early twenties, and the show was almost as much about the kids as the parents.  I thought that was a super-fun dynamic.  I don't care to see young moms and their little children on these shows. 

I'm also going to say the thing that you're not supposed to say:  I expect the women on these shows to be aesthetically pleasing.  Obviously, not everyone is going to be Joana Krupa, but I expect them to keep up appearances with their hair, nails, outfits, makeup, jewelry and, most controversially, (for some reason), their bodies.  I missed Erika last night, just by virtue of the fact that she's so interesting to look at.  

I have said in the past, many times, that I loathe a pile-on. I think LVP deserves this though.  I have been very critical of her this season, but I try to always offer a way for LVP to deal with the situation in my critique.  I try to say how she could have dealt with the situation, and how she can deal with it in the future, but...she holds grudges and she doesn't want to move on, so...fine.  Here we are. Also, Lisa has a loving family and friends, and a rich life, so the pile-on doesn't seem as bad as it has been with others.  In the past, like the distant past, when they would pile on Brandi (before she became a monster), I thought Ken made a good point that they are pilling on her and she doesn't even have a husband to stand up for her when everyone else did.  Not that single women get a pass, but I will give someone new to the reality/entertainment game whose husband left her for an anorexic country music singer more of a pass than someone who prides herself on being the person who is so completely together to the point where she is above the others.  

Pivoting a bit more specifically to LVP...

I am going to paraphrase what Bethenny from the RHNYC said to Luann at the season three reunion:  LVP has painted herself into this corner where everything is diamonds (!) and rose (!), and cheeky British humour daaaahling.  Well, ok, then, if that's your stance,  people are going to point out your flaws as soon as you let the mast slip.  That's human nature.

 If Lisa would just say, not in so many words, but with a gesture, "hey, I'm kind of an asshole, just like the rest of you," it would go a long, long, long way toward me thinking she should be brought back into the group with open arms.  For example, Karen, the Grande Dame of RH of Potomac, the one who is arguably the LVP of that group,  just burst out in hysterical laughter last season when one of her castmates--whom she loathes--dressed up in Karen's wig and did an impression of her.  It won a lot of style points for Karen with her castmates and the viewing audience.  Unless and until Lisa can say that she is human, and she bleeds too, I don't have sympathy for her.  I think she can't say it because I'm not sure she really believes it, which makes her super alienating.  LVP thinks she is better than other people, and it oozes out of her pores.

 I read on the Bravo website that Lisa and her daughter did a cooking competition against the Jersey Shore women, and at one point the hosts told Lisa that she would have to re-create a dish that she could only approach with a blindfold, and Lisa complained about it on air.  Now, I am sure, that she did it with the utmost cheekiest of cheeky senses of British Humour, but at some point....it's like, shut! Up!  Bitch!  I don't remember her being nearly this bad seasons back.  Even last season, the stupid shit with Nanny K was child's play, compared to what a pain in the ass she is now.  And I am tired of hearing that it's about her brother's passing, which happened over a year ago now.  It's not that I'm not sympathetic; it's just that if this death was that staggering and it changed her so significantly, she needs to seriously get off of reality TV and attend therapy full-time, or even check into one of those in-patient rich person facilities.  If something is going to knock someone that significantly off of their axis, and they are not just rich, but filthy rich, they need to get help, not swan around reality TV, being a prig to everyone and blaming grief.  I think this can be viewed as a really significant sign of disrespect to her late brother actually.  Get help, not a Bravo check.

Sorry to rant, but I am so insulted that she did that "lie detector test" on camera and expected us to believe one iota of it.  What's ironic is that, while the "lie detector test" did nothing to convince me that Lisa isn't an asshole, it sure served as a an accurate bullshit-detecting test.  Ah--bullshit?  Detected!

[Natalie68]

3 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

I thought it was an odd choice as well. For the locale I would have expected either a lighter color or a more vibrant color.

I still think it was ridiculous for Kyle to be chosen as a bridesmaid sooooo late in the game.

I am convinced it was to get the wedding to air which also means perhaps some extra $ to use Camille's house as a location.  

[eleanorofaquitaine]

1 hour ago, Jel said:

It was a snarky joke towards Erika. I do not believe Lisa meant it to insult the trans community. Sometimes people say things, rather thoughtlessly, that have unintended meanings. 

Well, members of the trans community ARE taking it as an insult (as evidenced by the trans individuals who tweeted about it, who tweets are in the article posted). So whether or not you or I believe Lisa meant it to be an insult, there are trans individuals who are expressing that they felt insulted. They didn't feel like it was just a "snarky joke."

[RealHousewife]

4 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

I think this is a fantastic post, and I look forward to reading more answers.  I'll say why I watch (and what makes me want to turn it off), and I have some notes, just in case production is reading and needs my opinion stat 🙂

I watch almost exclusively for the conflicts, but it's a specific type of conflict that satiates me.  Kyle running over to LVP's house to confront her is over-the-top.  I like women who generally get along, who are in the same age and status group, who have well-articulated conflicts, where each person has a legitimate side, even though someone's side may be more legit than the other's.  Case-in-point:  Teddi vs Camille at camping.  Then, I like them to reflect on the conflict, everyone gives their take, and they resolve it.  As long as the players vary, and--this is important to me--the alliances vary--I can watch this formula play out over and over, season after season, across the franchises (much to my husband's chagrin).  So if I say an episode was boring, it's usually because I was expecting more conflict.

Having said that,  I think all the fun is lost when someone is completely in the wrong, like Nene this past season of RHOA, or someone is inarticulate, like Teresa Giudice.  I also don't like when we have the same stale alliances, because it means to me that people are just standing up for each other out of blind allegiance, as opposed to the person who has the more compelling argument.  

I don't care especially about house, travel or food "porn."  I feel like those things can be seen on several other television shows.  In fact, I'm going to take this opportunity to remove the word "porn" from my vocabulary, unless it's referring to actual pornography.  I feel like the word "porn" has been overused.  It's like Mauricio's "AMAAAAZING."

What I do like to see?  Is women of similar ages.  I don't like when they cast women who are old enough to be each others' children and mothers, and expect them to interact organically.  It sets up a very bizarre and inauthentic dynamic for me.  RHOC is probably the worst with this.  In real life, unless people are family, I don't see many inter-generational relationships.  I'm in my 30s, and throughout my life, my friends have been, almost without exception, my age or up to two years older.  Anything more than half a decade difference?  I just chalk it up to being in different stages of life.  I'm not really going to get into it with someone who is in college, or someone who is old enough to be my mom.  I'm just gonna be like, eh, that's where she is in her head space right now.  So I think it's really stupid to see women in their 50s fighting with women in their 20s/30s.  I think the ideal ages for casting are like 45-55, and never castmates more than 15 years apart, unless one or both of them is bringing something utterly fucking breathtaking to the table. There are enough shows featuring women in their twenties.  Sex and the City took care of women in their 30s lol.  I think the best casting was early seasons of RHOC, when the women were in the above age range (save for Jo, who was probably a miscast), and they had kids who were in their late teens and early twenties, and the show was almost as much about the kids as the parents.  I thought that was a super-fun dynamic.  I don't care to see young moms and their little children on these shows. 

I'm also going to say the thing that you're not supposed to say:  I expect the women on these shows to be aesthetically pleasing.  Obviously, not everyone is going to be Joana Krupa, but I expect them to keep up appearances with their hair, nails, outfits, makeup, jewelry and, most controversially, (for some reason), their bodies.  I missed Erika last night, just by virtue of the fact that she's so interesting to look at.  

I have said in the past, many times, that I loathe a pile-on. I think LVP deserves this though.  I have been very critical of her this season, but I try to always offer a way for LVP to deal with the situation in my critique.  I try to say how she could have dealt with the situation, and how she can deal with it in the future, but...she holds grudges and she doesn't want to move on, so...fine.  Here we are. Also, Lisa has a loving family and friends, and a rich life, so the pile-on doesn't seem as bad as it has been with others.  In the past, like the distant past, when they would pile on Brandi (before she became a monster), I thought Ken made a good point that they are pilling on her and she doesn't even have a husband to stand up for her when everyone else did.  Not that single women get a pass, but I will give someone new to the reality/entertainment game whose husband left her for an anorexic country music singer more of a pass than someone who prides herself on being the person who is so completely together to the point where she is above the others.  

Pivoting a bit more specifically to LVP...

I am going to paraphrase what Bethenny from the RHNYC said to Luann at the season three reunion:  LVP has painted herself into this corner where everything is diamonds (!) and rose (!), and cheeky British humour daaaahling.  Well, ok, then, if that's your stance,  people are going to point out your flaws as soon as you let the mast slip.  That's human nature.

 If Lisa would just say, not in so many words, but with a gesture, "hey, I'm kind of an asshole, just like the rest of you," it would go a long, long, long way toward me thinking she should be brought back into the group with open arms.  For example, Karen, the Grande Dame of RH of Potomac, the one who is arguably the LVP of that group,  just burst out in hysterical laughter last season when one of her castmates--whom she loathes--dressed up in Karen's wig and did an impression of her.  It won a lot of style points for Karen with her castmates and the viewing audience.  Unless and until Lisa can say that she is human, and she bleeds too, I don't have sympathy for her.  I think she can't say it because I'm not sure she really believes it, which makes her super alienating.  LVP thinks she is better than other people, and it oozes out of her pores.

 I read on the Bravo website that Lisa and her daughter did a cooking competition against the Jersey Shore women, and at one point the hosts told Lisa that she would have to re-create a dish that she could only approach with a blindfold, and Lisa complained about it on air.  Now, I am sure, that she did it with the utmost cheekiest of cheeky senses of British Humour, but at some point....it's like, shut! Up!  Bitch!  I don't remember her being nearly this bad seasons back.  Even last season, the stupid shit with Nanny K was child's play, compared to what a pain in the ass she is now.  And I am tired of hearing that it's about her brother's passing, which happened over a year ago now.  It's not that I'm not sympathetic; it's just that if this death was that staggering and it changed her so significantly, she needs to seriously get off of reality TV and attend therapy full-time, or even check into one of those in-patient rich person facilities.  If something is going to knock someone that significantly off of their axis, and they are not just rich, but filthy rich, they need to get help, not swan around reality TV, being a prig to everyone and blaming grief.  I think this can be viewed as a really significant sign of disrespect to her late brother actually.  Get help, not a Bravo check.

Sorry to rant, but I am so insulted that she did that "lie detector test" on camera and expected us to believe one iota of it.  What's ironic is that, while the "lie detector test" did nothing to convince me that Lisa isn't an asshole, it sure served as a an accurate bullshit-detecting test.  Ah--bullshit?  Detected!

A lot of interesting points. I actually do have friends who are several years older and younger, but I do agree I don’t exactly kick it with women old enough to be my mother very often. I’m not a Teddi hater, but she is a bit young for this group. I know they can’t all be exactly the same exact age, but irl, I don’t see women with 20+ year age gaps hanging out like girlfriends. I know there are some exceptions. 

As for them being aesthetically pleasing, I too love the show for the glamour, but I don’t mind seeing women who aren’t perfect all the time. And Joanna Krupa is probably the most beautiful woman who’s ever been in the franchise! She is so pretty it’s painful.  

Totally agree on not liking a pile-on. There are few people who deserve it. I always end up feeling for the person who’s piled on, even if the other side has legitimate grievances. 

[Keywestclubkid]

5 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Well, members of the trans community ARE taking it as an insult (as evidenced by the trans individuals who tweeted about it, who tweets are in the article posted). So whether or not you or I believe Lisa meant it to be an insult, there are trans individuals who are expressing that they felt insulted. They didn't feel like it was just a "snarky joke."

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