S09.E11: Do You Really Want To Hurt Me?

[NoWhammies]

I'm from the 80s and I wouldn't be all giddy if I was in a room with Boy George and Billy Idol. Washed up 80s musicians are a dime a dozen. I was waiting for Rick Astley to come strolling in with Tiffany on his arm. 

Edited to add: I don't like Teddi either. She seems like her personality is very curated until her inner lying asshole can't help but leak through. 

Edited April 24, 2019 by NoWhammies

[tranquilidade]

41 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

Lots of people work for/with their parents in family businesses; some are pushed/guilted into it, others aren't. Some even actively want to. To imply that they were made to do so is a presumptuous leap. Also, we saw very little of Max's search for his birth parents; those 10 minutes, if that, are hardly evidence that she carried on about herself to an alarming degree. There's zero indication that anyone is under her thumb.

So true!  Also, when Max wanted to search for his birth mother, I was surprised by the honesty and authenticity of her reaction on camera.  She was honest.  In the end it all worked out because I do believe she is a great mother to Max.   Keeping that in mind, no one is perfect and I suppose you can find flaws with any parents as we are all human. 

[tranquilidade]

30 minutes ago, NoWhammies said:

I'm from the 80s and I wouldn't be all giddy if I was in a room with Boy George and Billy Idol. Washed up 80s musicians are a dime a dozen. I was waiting for Rick Astley to come strolling in with Tiffany on his arm. 

Edited to add: I don't like Teddi either. She seems like her personality is very curated until her inner lying asshole can't help but leak through. 

I'm not sure if I'm really from the '80's but I lived through them even if I don't remember it all.  I agree - I would not be giddy.   It would take a person of a lot greater personal achievement to make me feel that way.  

I was laughing when I heard Rinna describe Idol as a hunk knowing full well an old man was going to walk in.  No insult to him, he looked fine, but let's face it he aged. 

[politichick]

5 hours ago, nexxie said:

A narcissistic mother grooms her daughter to always put mom in the spotlight - LVP knew it wasn’t appropriate and pushed the story about it being Pandora’s idea to make it look okay, but I’m not buying it (or any of LVP’s bullshit).

Since Pandora didn't grow up on the show, where is the evidence of this? Why is it inappropriate for her to wear it? It's not like a bloody huge crown, or anything. It's just decoration. She honored her daughter's wishes, which is the kind thing to do. Sometimes children choose to honor their parents in some way on their special day. 

[tranquilidade]

36 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

It took me all the way through a commercial break to figure out who "Kenny" was.  KENNY?

Boys of that age and stage can pee outside, in the private environment they were in, who gives a care, seriously? 

I am still on team LVP. Kyle is just awful. 

Make up on kids, trying to make Portia a You Tube star? NOPE.

How many ppl fit in that venue in NJ that Ericka was in? It looked like small high school cafeteria capacity. I have no patience for the EJ on tour thing. It's just a vanity project and a weird one with her whole glam squad and entourage. 

Although Erika did the right thing suggesting they all go outside when Teddi's son was having a hard time saying goodbye. That was decent and wise of Erika. 

The concert was lame. Not my thing. 

ON the peeing: I have never had my child pee in a person's yard nor has any company ever allowed their child to pee in mine.  That was vulgar and low class. 

Portia - Youtube? why not be a doctor? president? get a high school diploma? 

Erika - she wanted to get away from the screaming.  Her son would never have acted like that and even though I don't really like her Erika Jane thing, I think in private she is a decent person and I'm sure raised a fine son. 

[Dance4Life]

17 hours ago, Callaphera said:

I think that every time the opening plays and Teddi bleats her line about "never doing your dirty work". Bitch, you did do someone's dirty work in the beginning of this season with the "Is that Dorit's dog?" moment. Physician Accountability Coach, heal account for thyself. 

I am #25! 💕🎉🎊🥳🍾

[MatildaMoody]

6 hours ago, nexxie said:

she even crowned herself - literally - at her own daughter’s wedding. Even on that day, LVP could not let Pandora be the special one. (Might make sense if bridesmaids also wore tiaras, but they didn’t.)

Pandora INSISTED loudly that her mother wear that Tiara. LVP tried to talk her out of it saying it was inappropriate. Pandora made her promise to wear it for her special day. This all played out on camera. 

[izabella]

6 minutes ago, tranquilidade said:

Erika - she wanted to get away from the screaming.  Her son would never have acted like that and even though I don't really like her Erika Jane thing, I think in private she is a decent person and I'm sure raised a fine son. 

Didn't she leave her son for someone else to raise when she went to be a cocktail waitress in Vegas(?) and met her sugar daddy?

[Giselle]

9 minutes ago, tranquilidade said:

ON the peeing: I have never had my child pee in a person's yard nor has any company ever allowed their child to pee in mine.  That was vulgar and low class. 

Portia - Youtube? why not be a doctor? president? get a high school diploma? 

Erika - she wanted to get away from the screaming.  Her son would never have acted like that and even though I don't really like her Erika Jane thing, I think in private she is a decent person and I'm sure raised a fine son. 

Erica probably wasn't around when he acted like that. Too busy trying to snag Golum.

Isabella said it first!

Edited April 24, 2019 by Giselle

[tranquilidade]

7 minutes ago, izabella said:

Didn't she leave her son for someone else to raise when she went to be a cocktail waitress in Vegas(?) and met her sugar daddy?

This I didn't know.  

[ButterQueen]

19 hours ago, Callaphera said:

Take note, Denise. You may mention Charlie Sheen ("Did you know I was married to him? My ex-husband, Charlie? Charlie Sheen? I was married to him. S-H-E-E-N. My ex. Has the Tiger's Blood. Charlie. Charles. Mr. Sheen, if you're nasty.") and you've gotten his voice on the show once but Dorit can not only deliver Boy George for two backstage segments plus concert footage, she, P.K., and her CHA and NEL earrings can get him to pretend that he actually keeps up with and cares about the LVP drama. That is how you name-drop some fame-whores.

Also: props to LVP for being the most talked about thing on the show and never having to lift a finger, darling.

I LOVE this.

The look on Kyle’s face when PK told her he spoke with Ken....she’s so stupid.

[Pattycake2]

I fast forwarded through the concert bits.  I’m beginning to despise these women. Let’s see........lvp should show up.....lvp should get over it.....the girls really love you lvp......PK SPOKE TO KEN?.......HE’S TRYING TO PATCH THINGS UP?  HOW DARE HE???       I actually thought pk’s joke was teasing Kyle.  It probably would have worked better if he had followed it with a hyena laugh a la Rinna.

[njbchlover]

6 hours ago, Juliegirlj said:

This is gonna sound really mean, but PK reminds me of James’ dad ( Vanderpump Rules). The skeevy has been that is trying to be cool and relevant. Boy George has seen better days, and so has PK’s career. 

I think that back in the day PK and James Kennedy's dad were probably decent "players" in the London music scene - PK was managing Boy George and Culture Club, and James' dad was best friends with (and managing) George Michael (and Wham).  I'm assuming that is how they and their wives (PK's first wife - not Dorit) became "friends" with Ken and Lisa, because of their restaurants and bars in and around London.  

I agree, though, that both PK and James' Dad now seem like has-been creepy guys - hanging on to past side-along fame and trying to land the next big thing, but are definitely living in their glory days long past.  It just screams sad and pathetic to me.

It wouldn't surprise me if PK and James' dad both reached out to Ken and Lisa, asking them to intervene and get roles for the Kemsleys' and James on the shows, all in the name of their past friendship.  Lisa has said in interviews that they were more like acquaintances with James' dad, and I believe, she also said that PK was just a business friend of Ken's.  

As Camille noted last night, she never heard Lisa mention Dorit and PK as friends until two years ago (when Dorit first appeared on the show).  

Edited April 24, 2019 by njbchlover

[RHJunkie]

The only good think that Dorit and PK have done is make two adorable little kids. Jagger on the guitar was beyond cute.

Given the two sides we've heard, if LVP is telling the truth, I don't blame her for not reaching out to the women, but STFU about renovating your kitchen to get rid of negative energy. You just want an excuse to tell people what happened to you in your home with your former friend.

Denise is really hit or miss - sometimes she looks youthful and light and other times she looks a bit older but I'm not sure yet why that is...maybe it's her makeup.

Kyle should brush up on her astrological signs. Also, what is with her hat obsession?

Gladys Knight sounded fabulous.

Kyle told LVP that she had to speak up and be honest to protect her integrity but then Kyle tells Dorit that if she didn't personally know PK and Dorit she would have blindly defended LVP...so do you have integrity or not? Kyle defended Dorit because Dorit's accusations were self-serving to the accusations that Kyle has said and co-signed from others for years. She defended Dorit because she chose to believe her blindly with no proof of her assertions and now that Kyle's choices may blow up in her face with PK trying to work behind the scenes to mend the friendship with Ken and LVP, Kyle is scrambling and basically questioning Dorit's loyalty to her after she 'stuck her neck out for her'. I called out Kyle for being a snake long before this but this just another example of her being self-serving. Kyle doesn't mind being on the outs with LVP so long as there are others who will join her. This isn't the first time she's done this.

[gritz]

Billy Idol can still get it. I didn't know he and China Chow are dating.

What does Erika know about going on a date with a hot guy?

Teddi getting teary-eyed when Dorit shut her down - girl, really?

On 4/23/2019 at 5:56 PM, nexxie said:

Actually, I heard they’re all wearing pink and having pink refreshments during the reunion to celebrate LVP’s absence.  

That would be more of an homage. No surprise those idiots can't even do a proper diss. 

20 hours ago, Beachdreamer said:

Kyle was in the middle of telling Boy George he should be afraid someone is going to hurt him when he performs.  

Someone needed to remind Kyle that Boy George is the one who's committed physical harm on others.

7 hours ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

"We're here because you dropped that dog off."

Interesting choice of words from Mrs. Umansky.

Interesting, indeed. Good catch.

6 hours ago, nexxie said:

A normal mother would have refused to wear it and insisted the day was about her daughter.

But, who decides what a "normal" mother is/does?

If LVP was truly a narcissist, she would've insisted on wearing Pandy's bigger and more elaborate tiara. (Also, a narcissist would never wear something they felt would make them look ridiculous.)

Quote

The way it usually works with a narcissistic parent is the grown child already knows how to please mom or dad - 

If that were the case, then Pandy would've already found a way to give her mother the grandchild she desires.

Charlie Sheen is the epitome of fuckedupness.

[watcherwoman]

LVP is a bad mother?  I haven't seen any proof of that, but she would have some company if true.  Kyle's daughter never learned that toilets do not clean themselves, or even how to run a washing machine.  Both Kim and Kyle allowed Kyle's daughter around a dog that was known to have bitten people before, leaving Kyle's daughter with a pretty bad injury. The Mellencamp kids would have spent much more time in jail if John Mellencamp wasn't so beloved in Indiana.   This is common knowledge around Bloomington Indiana.

Lisa Rinna"s kids have stated over and over how embarrassing their mommy is.  The kids also learned that people are fat, boring and useless if they don't reside in Beverly Hills.  Mommy  taught them well!

Dorit....oh Hell...can't say yet how her little ones will turn out, but,  she just told Kyle that dogs are like kids, so look  for Jagger and the other one (don't know the name) to end up much like Lucy.

So many more instances to mention!  

[Jel]

6 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

(Snip for space)

Kyle told LVP that she had to speak up and be honest to protect her integrity but then Kyle tells Dorit that if she didn't personally know PK and Dorit she would have blindly defended LVP...so do you have integrity or not? Kyle defended Dorit because Dorit's accusations were self-serving to the accusations that Kyle has said and co-signed from others for years. She defended Dorit because she chose to believe her blindly with no proof of her assertions and now that Kyle's choices may blow up in her face with PK trying to work behind the scenes to mend the friendship with Ken and LVP, Kyle is scrambling and basically questioning Dorit's loyalty to her after she 'stuck her neck out for her'. I called out Kyle for being a snake long before this but this just another example of her being self-serving. Kyle doesn't mind being on the outs with LVP so long as there are others who will join her. This isn't the first time she's done this.

Great point, RHJunkie, and for me, it only further shows that Kyle's an operator. As you say, she'll defend someone, not because she believes them necessarily, but because she's got a narrative to support or an agenda to serve.  Kyle said she'd have blindly stuck up for Lisa "likes she (Lisa V) wants me to do". Have we ever seen Kyle blindly believe or stick up for Lisa? 

It's even shady that she slips the "blindly" in there -- like Lisa couldn't possibly have something that was actually worth supporting -- gotta be just dumb loyalty. Sigh.

[BodhiGurl]

Apologies for forgetting who it was that touched on this, regarding other RH shows and "gang ups" There was also that attempted "gang up" on RHONY Bethenny last season - when Ramona, Dorinda, and gawd awful Carole tried to make BF's life miserable. And yet - BF continued to film with the entire group, despite the friction. And she fought back. And she's back this season - with Dorinda and Ramona and their tucked tails making nice with her. Thankfully Carole is gone. I wish LVP would just stand up for herselfand fight back. The fact that she runs away - and has done so in the past, makes her a target. Which circles me back to RHONY and how much I appreciate those bishes can have heated arguments and still come back together, at least for filming's sake. And even have fun together. I know LVP sort of - ish stood up for herself - but not in an east coast RH way - where she should tell them their all full of shite and still show up to group events... Like in the Kyle/Lisa/ Ken situation - the blow up would have happened, and RHONY style would be to meet for lunch and work that shiz out, or agree to disagree and move on (to the extent they could be around each other during the bigger group events). Oh well. At least I have RHONY tonight. Ha ha 😉 

[njbchlover]

42 minutes ago, Pattycake2 said:

I fast forwarded through the concert bits.  I’m beginning to despise these women. Let’s see........lvp should show up.....lvp should get over it.....the girls really love you lvp......PK SPOKE TO KEN?.......HE’S TRYING TO PATCH THINGS UP?  HOW DARE HE???       I actually thought pk’s joke was teasing Kyle.  It probably would have worked better if he had followed it with a hyena laugh a la Rinna.

I agree with your entire post!!  Rinna said something in the beginning of the show about how they all are friends, and she can't understand why LVP isn't coming around - well, because you all called her a liar, accused her of doing not so nice things, blasted her all over social media, continually maligned her -- why the fuck would she want to be around that bullshit?  

As far as Kyle and the rest of them when they found out PK had contacted Ken - in my opinion, they were all shocked because PK broke with the plan of the "LVP takedown".  PK may be a wanker and an arsehole, but I think he quickly saw the writing on the wall - he and Dorit need this RH gig, and he needs to make peace with the Vanderpump-Todds to keep Dorit's diamond.  

[Rosiejuliemom]

1 minute ago, BodhiGurl said:

I wish LVP would just stand up for herselfand fight back.

I think that she ordinarily would be fighting back, especially since it has to do with something she truly cares about. Dorit fucked up and in any other season Lisa would have gone after her with both barrels.

This season, though, she is clearly off balance. Her brother's death rocked her world and her head just isn't in the game.

My hope is that she comes to the reunion and lets them all have it.

[njbchlover]

8 hours ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

"We're here because you dropped that dog off."

Interesting choice of words from Mrs. Umansky.

Good catch!  I couldn't really hear the correct phrase, but this is indeed an interesting choice of words!!  

Wonder if this scene will be brought up during the Reunion, and then, Dorit will have to answer the subsequent question "So, Dorit, WHO really dropped the dog off at the shelter?"  (Said in my best "Andy-Reunion Host" voice)

[Chit Chat]

16 minutes ago, gritz said:

A normal mother would have refused to wear it and insisted the day was about her daughter.

I fail to see how it took any attention away from her daughter.  As many have stated, it was her wish for her Mom to wear it.  It's not as if LVP showed up in a bridal grown.

2 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

 She also made her son’s search for his birth mom all about her and her feelings. Looks like a pretty controlling mom.

Since LVP is the focus of this show, and not her son, I can understand why we saw LVP's point of view on the search for his birth Mom.  She may have been trying to protect him and his feelings, or he may not have wanted to air it to the world anyway.  

[CrinkleCutCat]

17 minutes ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

I think that she ordinarily would be fighting back, especially since it has to do with something she truly cares about. Dorit fucked up and in any other season Lisa would have gone after her with both barrels.

This season, though, she is clearly off balance. Her brother's death rocked her world and her head just isn't in the game.

My hope is that she comes to the reunion and lets them all have it.

My hope is that she comes to the reunion, period! I’m worried she won’t attend.

I don’t want to watch a reunion where all these cows get to air their grievances about LV without her there to air her own.

Edited April 25, 2019 by CrinkleCutCat

[AuntiePam]

11 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

Can we take "have my back" with it (and also "ride or die," not that that one is used on this show so much)?

Also please no more "going forward" or "at the end of the day".

As for "I got your back", my favorite tee shirt has two stick figures.  One is holding the other's spine, and the caption is (of course) "I got your back". 

I take back what I said about the women fawning over Boy George.  I didn't squeal like a tween but I was really excited to see Jerry Lee Lewis in 1990, at least 20 years after he'd had a hit record.  But Jerry Lee's a legend.  (Isn't he?)

I like Denise too -- she has a really cute smile, and the smile reaches her eyes, a sign of sincerity (in my mind anyway).  I think she might look better with thinner eyebrows, but then her eyebrows might be actual hair, rather than whatever passes for eyebrows these days.

[Door County Cherry]

Fan bases are OT, people.  You know this. 

[ButterQueen]

10 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

I wonder if her new hubby gets tired of that shit. 

He seemed pretty interested in the “reduced child support” conversation.  🤑🤑  I believe he said, OH NO.

I like Denise, but her face is hard to look at.  It looks so scrunched up.  Cheek fillers?

Kyle needs to lose the hats, and the ugly ass lace TH ensemble that Queen Elizabeth wouldn’t be seen in.

[Jennifersdc]

46 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

I think that back in the day PK and James Kennedy's dad were probably decent "players" in the London music scene - PK was managing Boy George and Culture Club, and James' dad was best friends with (and managing) George Michael (and Wham).  I'm assuming that is how they and their wives (PK's first wife - not Dorit) became "friends" with Ken and Lisa, because of their restaurants and bars in and around London.  

I agree, though, that both PK and James' Dad now seem like has-been creepy guys - hanging on to past side-along fame and trying to land the next big thing, but are definitely living in their glory days long past.  It just screams sad and pathetic to me.

It wouldn't surprise me if PK and James' dad both reached out to Ken and Lisa, asking them to intervene and get roles for the Kemsleys' and James on the shows, all in the name of their past friendship.  Lisa has said in interviews that they were more like acquaintances with James' dad, and I believe, she also said that PK was just a business friend of Ken's.  

As Camille noted last night, she never heard Lisa mention Dorit and PK as friends until two years ago (when Dorit first appeared on the show).  

Ugh. Although I agree (ie creepy). But sorry - this drives me crazy. James’ Dad never “managed” GM or Wham (that’s James’ story). He was the ultimate “hanger on”. Their father’s were best friends and moved together from Cypress to London when they were young. GM did make him President of his record label that never got off the ground really cause they were both too busy getting high. And then cut off all contact with him over 20 years ago cause he pissed him off. I actually read the book Andros (James’ Dad wrote). I think it was a lot of self-aggrandizement and BS - but he seemed to be pretty honest that after GM dumped him he struggled to support his family at even a middle class level.

Hangs head in shame.

PK was actually a pretty big real estate investor in England (my professional realm). He way over-leveraged his company’s portfolio and got wiped out in 2008, along with making a really bad bet on Lehman’s survival. IMO - considering the Bellagio debt too - he has a serious gambling problem.

I personally think it’s a joke that bankruptcy regulations can allow you to get recreational gambling debts dismissed. It’s not like poorhouses still exist where you’re put to hard labor. Though I’m thinking about petitioning to bring them back solely for PK. He’s an asshole. We can throw his wife in one too. Maybe they can be put in charge of feeding the guard dogs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2009/may/24/paul-kemsley-lehman-bets-spreadex

[ButterQueen]

10 hours ago, outofbounds said:

I finally realized what it is about Teddi that bugs me the most. She needs near CONSTANT validation. The moment Dorit told her to shush she immediately looked at Kyle and asked if Kyle also thought it was rude. Christ woman grow a fucking back bone.

And then she tags Dorit for not saying what she means well wtf? She didn’t either. She whined to Kyle about it.

LVP has a storyline without these women. It just behooves the show only to show her discussing them right now since that’s the big drama they’re banking on for the season. For everyone claiming LVP gets the good edit I’m confused then how the next suggestion is she has no storyline and is joining in on the lady’s shit talking. Like...how is showing her still discussing it the “good” edit? 

IIRC wasn’t she opening bars in LV at this time and doing other things with her businesses? Production isn’t showing that right now because it doesn’t go along with the drama.  Seems they start to soon and then what will the complaint about her be? 

I find it comical that these women rant and rave about her not coming around but then can only discuss what they’ll have to say to her when/if she does. LVP has heard the issues they have with her and has not received them. She has defended herself and moved on. Why is there a discussion that’s needed? So they can keep accusing her with no proof? No thanks. I’d say to hell with them too. Don’t ask me to sign up to hear the abuse of my character twice.

I HATE Rinna. Hate. I wish she would get her mouth taped shut. 

And lastly...enough with the “You can’t let a 20 year friendship go without trying to talk it through.” bullshit. If you stand in my house and call me a liar? Watch me.

Preach.  ❤️

[Pattycake2]

When lvp was on wwhl and discussing the teeth issue, she said she could talk about personal appearances, too.  Like who has has full body lipo and hair transplants.  It seemed like she was exaggerating, but, hey, maybe it’s partially true.

A few weeks ago on Andy’s live radio show, he mentioned speaking to lvp at the reunion taping about anti gay laws in the middle east.  Has the rhobh reunion show been filmed yet?  Or was it the vr reunion?

Edited April 26, 2019 by Pattycake2

[JD5166]

51 minutes ago, AuntiePam said:

Also please no more "going forward" or "at the end of the day".

As for "I got your back", my favorite tee shirt has two stick figures.  One is holding the other's spine, and the caption is (of course) "I got your back". 

I take back what I said about the women fawning over Boy George.  I didn't squeal like a tween but I was really excited to see Jerry Lee Lewis in 1990, at least 20 years after he'd had a hit record.  But Jerry Lee's a legend.  (Isn't he?)

I like Denise too -- she has a really cute smile, and the smile reaches her eyes, a sign of sincerity (in my mind anyway).  I think she might look better with thinner eyebrows, but then her eyebrows might be actual hair, rather than whatever passes for eyebrows these days.

Teddi’s excessively use of “co-exist” is getting on my last nerve. Shut up, Teddi. 

[Chit Chat]

10 hours ago, Giselle said:

Sorry I don't find LVP verbally fucking her dogs interesting.

Oh jeez, it wasn't that bad!  I watched it again, and it's only as bad as one wants it to be.  If the camera person hadn't filmed it that way, and it was filmed just straight on with her talking to the dog, it doesn't come off like that.  

I found it extremely tacky of Dorit to let her kid piss in someone else's yard.  I don't find that cute at all.  Take him home and let him do that in your own damn yard.  

[ButterQueen]

7 hours ago, Rina99 said:

I'm fairly indifferent to Teddi, but I do agree 100% with her blog this week. I don't care at all about the whole Kyle/Lisa blowup. If Lisa wants to stay mad, let her. I still enjoyed the show this week. 

Too many kids for me.

[langford peel]

The living beating heart of every Real Housewife franchise has always been a friendship. Vicki and Jeanie. Nene and Kim. Theresa and Jacqueline. Jill Zarin and Bethenny. Kyle and Lisa Vanderpump. These friendship always end badly. Misunderstandings. Recriminations. Conflicts. Hard feelings. Separation. Hate.

Friendship cannot survive under the microscope of Reality Television.

In fact the friendship of Lisa and Kyle has lasted much longer than any of the others. The reason that it did is only because of Lisa’s forbearance and her ability to look beyond Kyle’s opportunistic nature to keep her eye on the prize. Which was to use the opportunity provided by the show to build her brand and businesses. Only Bethenny Frankel has succeeded in a similar vein. Many of the other Housewives have tried to capitalize on their notoriety only to fail miserable or succeed on a limited laughable scale such as Luann’s cabaret or Erika’s simulated sex shows. So the jealousy is great in these other ladies and they delight in bringing down the protagonist of their franchise by any means necessary.  Other protagonists have forced out their former friend. It has happened time and again in the history of the Real Housewives. Sometimes they land on their feet like Kim who has her own successful show. Sometimes they are on the outside looking in stuck to the window and staring in sick envy like a Garfield doll in the back of a Family Van. (Jill Zarin I am looking at you.) In any event this town is not big enough for the both of them.

The question is who is going to go in the inevitable denouncement that has occurred in every other franchise? Will it be Lisa Vanderpump? Will Bravo risk their relationship with her which has been very profitable for both of them? Or will they give her another spin off and a boatload of money to ease the pain? Or will they get rid of Kyle?  They have to weigh what Kyle will bring to the table. A junkie sister and various sleazy real estate swindles. Nasty brats who cannot clean a toilet but who delight in mocking an elderly man who was sleeping peacefully in the sun at a dreadfully boring party. The rest of the coven who are conspiring against the protagonist of the show are nonentities. All can be easily replaced by a million other aging botoxed former actresses or trophy wives. The time has come for Bravo to make a choice.  The vast majority of the audience already have. The powers to be did not count on that. They totally misread the situation and have overplayed their hand.  They must realize that the time has come. This is an untenable situation.

There can be only one.

Edited April 25, 2019 by langford peel

[Chit Chat]

11 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

Too many kids for me.

I care nothing about seeing these ladies' little kids.  I signed up for the Real Housewives, not the Real Romper Room. 

[TattleTeeny]

3 hours ago, bagger said:

Wasn’t the wine business pandora’s Idea? I seem to recall she and her husband telling Lisa what they wanted to do. Am I wrong?

I don't know--she was in charge though (of something?). Wasn't she confused by something the Toms said they could bring to the table--like run around to bars and peddle the wine or some shit?

[ButterQueen]

“We're here because you dropped that dog off."

 Interesting choice of words from Mrs. Umansky.

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Kyle’s statement to Dorit explains it all.....the plan to take LVP down.  Who cares she lost her brother?  Bitches.

11 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

I care nothing about seeing these ladies' little kids.  I signed up for the Real Housewives, not the Real Romper Room. 

.......me either, and I love kids, but not on my guilty pleasure shows.

[walnutqueen]

22 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

Oh jeez, it wasn't that bad!  I watched it again, and it's only as bad as one wants it to be.  If the camera person hadn't filmed it that way, and it was filmed just straight on with her talking to the dog, it doesn't come off like that.  

I didn't find anything disturbing about it.  I'd imagine I'm not the only other animal lover who talks to their critters in ways that some might find cringeworthy, but I don't care.  Each and every one of them responds to their special language of love, and that gives me joy.

[ButterQueen]

One thing that bugs me.  Dorit did drop that dog off to a kill shelter.  I realize Lisa swears she didn’t plant stories, and I believe her, but who the fuck cares?  Especially Kyle who is not friends with Dorit, but wants to be RHOBH Queen Bee.  Kyle was never a true friend.  

[chenoa333]

11 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

how many times 3 goes into 8 (or whatever it was).

I don't know about anyone else, but I need my cell phone calculator for all things math!😁 

[RealHousewife]

I like seeing a little bit of all the women with their kids.

Dorit's kids are absolutely adorable. 

I don't know if anyone has an opinion on the adult children, but I also like seeing them. It was cool to see Pandora's wedding, and nice to see her and Max at Lisa's birthday. LVP's kids seem sweet. They didn't bash the other women, just wanted to be there for their mother.

I also like to see Kyle with her family. She seems so grateful for her husband and daughters. I really think as much as Kyle loves her designer handbags and jewelry, she'd still be happy with Mauricio and her girls living a humble life. 

My only concern is if a kid says or does something that may result in teasing at some point.

Edited April 25, 2019 by RealHousewife

[Chit Chat]

24 minutes ago, chenoa333 said:

I don't know about anyone else, but I need my cell phone calculator for all things math!

Maybe they're doing that Common Core kind of math, where 3+3=6, but it's not that simple.  You have to write a half-page explanation of how you arrived at that answer.  I've heard parents talk about it.  Some of it involves diagrams and other convoluted ways to show your work.   An engineer once told me that even he couldn't help his kid with math anymore.  Sure, he knew the answer, but he didn't know WTF they wanted them to do to explain how they got the answer!!  I think that learning certain things by rote went out the window!  

26 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

I really think as much as Kyle loves her designer handbags and jewelry, she'd still be happy with Mauricio and her girls living a humble life. 

She really seems into her money these days!  Not that I begrudge her that, but she does talk about material things an awful lot. 

[njbchlover]

2 hours ago, Jennifersdc said:

Ugh. Although I agree (ie creepy). But sorry - this drives me crazy. James’ Dad never “managed” GM or Wham (that’s James’ story). He was the ultimate “hanger on”. Their father’s were best friends and moved together from Cypress to London when they were young. GM did make him President of his record label that never got off the ground really cause they were both too busy getting high. And then cut off all contact with him over 20 years ago cause he pissed him off. I actually read the book Andros (James’ Dad wrote). I think it was a lot of self-aggrandizement and BS - but he seemed to be pretty honest that after GM dumped him he struggled to support his family at even a middle class level.

Hangs head in shame.

PK was actually a pretty big real estate investor in England (my professional realm). He way over-leveraged his company’s portfolio and got wiped out in 2008, along with making a really bad bet on Lehman’s survival. IMO - considering the Bellagio debt too - he has a serious gambling problem.

I personally think it’s a joke that bankruptcy regulations can allow you to get recreational gambling debts dismissed. It’s not like poorhouses still exist where you’re put to hard labor. Though I’m thinking about petitioning to bring them back solely for PK. He’s an asshole. We can throw his wife in one too. Maybe they can be put in charge of feeding the guard dogs.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2009/may/24/paul-kemsley-lehman-bets-spreadex

Wow - I didn't know all of that - thanks for filling in the blanks!!  I knew PK did something with real estate, but didn't realize the depth.  Very informative! (And, very interesting info on James' Dad, too!)  

[SemiCharmedLife]

23 hours ago, tranquilidade said:

Frankly I was shocked that she would not encourage her daughter to reach higher.  I can accept the makup artist but youtuber?  

Being a YouTuber is today's youth's most vaulted position.  Everyone wants to be a YouTube star!

[RealHousewife]

1 minute ago, SemiCharmedLife said:

Being a YouTuber is today's youth's most vaulted position.  Everyone wants to be a YouTube star!

Some of them make big $. 

[chenoa333]

1 hour ago, ButterQueen said:

Dorit did drop that dog off to a kill shelter.

This whole Juicy Lucy shit has me con-fucking-fused! I thought Dorit re-homed the dog and the NEW owner took it to a kill shelter? Does anyone know the truth?

[Boofish]

Late to the party but fun Boy George story. One of my very dear friends is a local PBS host and celebrity. Years ago when he was just getting started he volunteered to take care of a celebrity for the day and it was Boy George. He had to follow a list of ridiculous demands and basically said BG was the biggest asshole he ever met. After 24 hours of hell he escorted him to his concert in one piece.  Before they said their goodbyes BG handed him a copy of a book - he had drawn a sweet cartoon picture of my friend and signed his name. I guess that was his way of apologizing. 

[swankie]

On 4/23/2019 at 10:41 PM, RealHousewife said:

On 4/23/2019 at 10:38 PM, Duke2801 said:

On another note—who the eff has the energy to have sex every morning at 5 a.m.??!

😂

I do like Denise, but she sure talks about her sex life a lot. Call me a prude, but I don't care for it. 

You know what they say.  People who talk about all of the sex they're having are usually the ones having it the least.  LVP was the same way about Ken in the beginning but I never could imagine that doddering old coot still laying the pipe.  🤣

[smores]

23 hours ago, Dance4Life said:

Cap sleeves are bad!  It is very tricky with deodorant. 

You can only use very little to avoid deodorant caked on cap sleeves!

Or you can just get the deodorant that just goes on clear.  

21 hours ago, MatildaMoody said:

This simply did not happen. Yolanda and Carlton were there and they both say they never even saw any magazines, let alone a conversation about bringing them on the trip. Plus Brandi admitted she made it up on her podcast. 

But why let the truth get in the way of a good fairytale?

21 hours ago, Barbara Please said:

I can't stand fame whore Vyle running over with her arms wide out to greet Boy George, and then immediately running over to Billy Idol. She deliberately friends up with people who know famous people. Why'd she suckle at Teddi's titays all of a sudden?  It's because Teddi is John Mellencamp's daughter. 

She must be losing her hair with all those fuckin' hats, and during one TH it looked like she had a lace front wig on. 

But, but, Boy George taught her eyeliner tips! When they were on the Apprentice! With Trump! See, Kyle knows famous people! 

I like to watch how Kyle's part widens and narrows from scene to scene.  In the red doily dress talking head, it's pretty wide and her hair is looking kind of thin.  Then you cut to a scene and boom! Kyle's entire head looks like someone was in microsoft paint and used a big square cursor to color it in! Part? No part here! Next scene? She has a part, but the hairline looks solid, like it was spray painted. 

19 hours ago, Bossa Nova said:

That includes her man hands, bad extensions, her square jaw, her awful kids' names, now her lacklustre canyon house, and her walk. Yeah have you noticed that ? She's boring. 

I'll toss in her oompa loompa spray tan from WWHL the other night.  I hated that too.  

18 hours ago, tranquilidade said:

Yes and it seems typical and shallow of Kyle  as it's all about  money.  I would hope to see young people encouraged to reach goals that lead to helping the world like medicine and science, and goals that develop the mind and spirit.  However, despite all the focus on college I don't think Kyle values much more than money in the end.  

Kyle also values fame and recognition.  Which I guess she wants in the form of fame.  She and Kim have always seemed kind of put out that people see them as "Paris's aunts" instead of a celebrity on the level of Paris in their own right, but were they ever really that big? And even if they were, that was 30+ years ago.  

15 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

I'm sorry if this has already been mentioned, but did anyone else find it weird when Teddi offered up that her "husband has an RV" rather than saying "we have an RV"? I know he's the one that uses it the most, but it struck me as odd.

Maybe it's what he uses when he's staking out places that don't have security systems in place yet?  

13 hours ago, TexasGal said:

I totally get LVP's sense of humor too.  God, I know I'm going to regret even dipping my toe into these waters, but my problem with her sense of humor is that she knows there are people who are sensitive about certain things and she still goes for the zing.  When they are hurt or offended she tries to dismiss it as a joke.  She knows what she's doing.  I am very sarcastic, but there are people around me that I know don't take some of my snide comments very well so I zip it around them in order to not cause offense.  It's not hard. 

You know, I totally get what you are saying here as I'm the same way.  I recognize that a lot of what I say can come off a particular way so I try to be aware of my audience.  At the same time, though, I do think there is a bit of responsibility on the part of the others too.  Not every joke is going to land the way you want it to, but if someone is your friend and you know they're generally sarcastic, then you also have to take them at their word that they were kidding and it didn't come across the way they intended it to. Kyle's gotten pissy with LVP over this sort of thing in the past and instead of just saying "that wasn't funny" she uses it to hold a grudge.  

I think the whole Kyle/PK situation could have been handled better if she'd been able to take a hint, first of all, when George first tried to deflect the conversation twice, then PK did.  When none of that worked, PK was more direct.  Kyle didn't like the comment and instead of just saying "That was harsh" or "That was rude" or whatever, she then kind of attacked him and made it a big deal.  

12 hours ago, Lady of nod said:

Right. Can you even imagine being in a confined place with them? Kyle would be whining how scared she is, and listing off all the terrible things that could happen, Teddy would hold them all accountable for any tiny transgression (but if they blew a tire she could change it with her man hands). What would Erika wear? Glammed up Daisy Dukes? Trailer chic? Will Mikey and the gang be behind them in a camper? And when Rhinna got drunk there'd be nowhere to hide when she got up the table and spread her bony legs in some perverted dance. Dorit - well, she's Dorit - enough said.

You forgot Kyle doing splits in the aisle and swinging her hair into people.

12 hours ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Furthermore, what proof does exist - texts between whichever John and Teddi - are being rejected as proof of anything.

The reason people reject these texts as proof is because they are between John and Teddi.  Teddi is claiming that they are proof that LVP set her up.  They don't in any way show that LVP told John to tell Teddi to do it.  There's no text from LVP saying it, Teddi has no proof of that, just a text with some ambiguous wording that John says goes with another text.  Teddi read it a different way and has another story.  It's just not a smoking gun, but she's claiming it is.  

12 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I think Denise is a good mother, but I have no idea how good of a dad Charlie is/has been, even without his addiction issues.

I mean, he's Charlie Sheen? The odds on that are that he's not doing the heavy lifting here.

11 hours ago, RealHousewife said:

 What I find weird is Lisa’s close friendship with Mohamed. Maybe I don’t get it because I’m not wealthy like him, nor his age, nor a  man, but I think it’s gross how he dates women his children’s age, and apparently cheats on them too! He seems sleezy to me. Maybe it’s just the Beverly Hills thing for rich old men to be messing around with as many beautiful young girls they can get? I also thought it was weird for Lisa to be so close to Mohamed but not Yolanda. Most women don’t like their husbands having isolated close friendships with women, especially attractive ones like Lisa. 

I🙂

I don't find LVP's friendship with Mohamed that strange, I think it's more a product of him having been married multiple times.  They've been friends for a while, the wives have come and gone, but HE is the constant, so they are friendly with whomever he is with, but the primary relationship will always be with him.  We have a friend kind of like this, he was a friend of my husband's prior to our marriage, and then a joint friend for a number of years before he married.  We are both friendly to his wife, but, I generally only interact with her if we're together in person.  Meanwhile, I do tend to message with him periodically, as we share a few interests.  

11 hours ago, nexxie said:

After LVP raised her to always put Lisa first - poor kid. A normal mother would have refused to wear it and insisted the day was about her daughter.

True story, the florist had some confusion about the bouquet I wanted for my wedding, so ended up bringing 3 different arrangements for me to pick from.  They then left all 3, because it's not like they were going to reuse them.  So I sent my mother and mother in law into my wedding with bouquets on the spur of the moment, because, why not? They both fussed about it, but I insisted since they were flowers and there was no point in wasting them.  It didn't change the focus of the day, nor was it something my mother raised me to do.  

5 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

Lots of people work for/with their parents in family businesses; some are pushed/guilted into it, others aren't. Some even actively want to. To imply that they were made to do so is a presumptuous leap. 

Like Kyle's kids?

[Thumper]

 So Dorit's child peeing in the bushes?  I got the impression that he would have gone inside to use a bathroom, but then Kyle said something about "boys loving to pee outside," so   he went for it.

As a mom of boys, embarrassing, but something they go through until they are old enough to understand. It's weird.  But I think Kyle's comment encouraged him.

[breezy424]

5 hours ago, tranquilidade said:

ON the peeing: I have never had my child pee in a person's yard nor has any company ever allowed their child to pee in mine.  That was vulgar and low class. 

Portia - Youtube? why not be a doctor? president? get a high school diploma? 

Erika - she wanted to get away from the screaming.  Her son would never have acted like that and even though I don't really like her Erika Jane thing, I think in private she is a decent person and I'm sure raised a fine son. 

Portia is eleven years old.  Kids at that age can want to be a number of things.  Right now she knows she's good at make-up.  What's wrong with that?  What's wrong with being a you tube star doing that?  She didn't say she wasn't going to get her high school diploma or not go to college.

Sometimes stuff happens, especially with little boys.  I don't think any of these women 'had' their son pee in the backyard. 

I think Erika thought it would be better if they waited outside.  Erika doesn't know how her son would act because she wasn't there when he was growing up.

1 hour ago, ChitChat said:

Maybe they're doing that Common Core kind of math, where 3+3=6, but it's not that simple.  You have to write a half-page explanation of how you arrived at that answer.  I've heard parents talk about it.  Some of it involves diagrams and other convoluted ways to show your work.   An engineer once told me that even he couldn't help his kid with math anymore.  Sure, he knew the answer, but he didn't know WTF they wanted them to do to explain how they got the answer!!  I think that learning certain things by rote went out the window!  

She really seems into her money these days!  Not that I begrudge her that, but she does talk about material things an awful lot. 

Common Core sucks.  There's too many educrats out there trying to reinvent the wheel.  This is not an insult to teachers who are in the trenches every day.