S13.E06: Rumors

[Mr. Miner]

8 hours ago, howiveaddict said:

And why does Steve have a stupid dazed grin on his face all the time?

The guy looks like a schmuck just being with Vicki.

[chenoa333]

14 minutes ago, Mr. Minor said:

The guy looks like a schmuck just being with Vicki.

Lol! The guy just looks like a schmuck. Period. No Vicki necessary!

[Jel]

Aww leave Giggy out of it! He reads these posts...

[VedaPierce]

On 8/20/2018 at 10:22 PM, Gem 10 said:

STFU Tamra.  Sitting with Shannon and the Matchmaker.  Let Shannon talk for herself.  Why don’t you get out of everyone’s business and go home and take care of your sick husband.  

Tamra inserts herself into EVERY situation! I noticed it the first time when Jim bellino tried to have a discussion with Terry during a finale a few years ago. Jim wanted to confront Terry about shit Terry said about Alexis. and I was so looking forward to that weasly little punk bitch getting his ass handed to him by Neanderthal Belino. But nope, Tamra had to insert herself into that discussion and plopped herself right down immediately, as if it concerned her, and the whole thing was over before it began. She’s so concerned about missing camera time, she runs off to Mexico immediately after Eddie’s operation. I wouldn’t be surprised if the coolness from Eddie is partly residual resentment from that, among other things. Hey Tamra, don’t you have a date rape to plan with your son? 

Edited August 22, 2018 by VedaPierce

[TheFinalRose]

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Shannon and her lawyer felt bad about the high number and went back into the courtroom to request that it be lowered to the amount that Shannon (and I assume her lawyer) had previously worked out as the number she needed to support herself and her children. 

She should have taken the judge's number and run with it. If David had control of the finances for all these years that tells me she has no idea how fast the money runs out when you have a home, cars, three girls in school with activities and social lives and you live in fashion-forward California.  After her rent she got herself ten grand a month, which seems very light to me. The judge probably knew this.  

 

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Gotta say, even new season of Dallas starting last week with their episode one and season coming previews had me somewhat hooked

Dallas is where it's at. House porn, crazy Leeanne, Deeandra's mom. It delivers. 

[Gem 10]

7 minutes ago, VedaPierce said:

Tamra inserts herself into EVERY situation! I noticed it the first time when Jim bellino tried to have a discussion with Terry during a finale a few years ago. Jim wanted to confront Terry about shit Terry said about Alexis. and I was so looking forward to that weasly little punk bitch getting his ass handed to him by Neanderthal Belino. But nope, Tamra had to insert herself into that discussion and plopped herself right down immediately, as if it concerned her, and the whole thing was over before it began. She’s so concerned about missing camera time, she runs off to Mexico immediately after Eddie’s operation. I wouldn’t be surprised if the coolness from Eddie is partly residual resentment from that, among other things. Hey Tamra, don’t you have a date rape to plan with your son? 

I know, right?  She’s so annoying and needs that camera time.  To me, she doesn’t look like the caretaker type.  I don’t see that.  She has to make up that face and go out where the gossip and fun is.  She’s not the type to stay home with Eddie.  It annoyed me when they were in the car taking Eddie for a procedure.  She was blabbing and blabbing nonsense and Eddie didn’t want to hear anything.  He was concentrating on the procedure and what was ahead.  She’s the type to stick him in a place and go along her merry way.  Shouldn’t she be with him, comforting him quietly at a time as this?  That’s if she loves him sooo much.  Instead, she’s out blabbering and in everyone’s business like she’s an expert.  I could see why her daughter left.

[Jel]

For me, when something bad happens to someone else, the self-talk reminder thought bubble over Tamra's head says "Try hard to look like I care"

[JAYJAY1979]

2 hours ago, Jel said:

For me, when something bad happens to someone else, the self-talk reminder thought bubble over Tamra's head says "Try hard to look like I care"

And if she succeeds with her botoxed face, she gets a bonus in her Bravo paycheck :)

[mon berg]

17 hours ago, eclectcmoi said:

 It is a great system... it's called a partnership. Also, he has children and must still contribute to their support with his silly money.

 

If it was partnership she should be working why should he be paying for everything and her nothing.

 

This is the problem with US system its so obsessed with wealth it doesn't look at the real picture of how much do the children really need.

 

No one is arguing the children should be supported but I remember Shannon mentioning he offered to cover the costs but she doesn't want that.

 

David is being punished for being successful remember he came from nothing not a silver spoon family like Shannon so he built that out of his own hard long hours work (Shannon raised the children as well yes but for years now she could of contributed and has not offered any financial support to household) yet expects to live a fancy lifestyle off someone else back)

[918lux]

11 minutes ago, mon berg said:

 

If it was partnership she should be working why should he be paying for everything and her nothing.

 

This is the problem with US system its so obsessed with wealth it doesn't look at the real picture of how much do the children really need.

 

No one is arguing the children should be supported but I remember Shannon mentioning he offered to cover the costs but she doesn't want that.

 

David is being punished for being successful remember he came from nothing not a silver spoon family like Shannon so he built that out of his own hard long hours work (Shannon raised the children as well yes but for years now she could of contributed and has not offered any financial support to household) yet expects to live a fancy lifestyle off someone else back)

Bullshit. As partners, they jointly decided she would stay home and take care of the kids and the home-front.  Without her support in that, he might not have been able to work as much and make that kind of money.  She was "working" on the domestic front, something they both agreed to.  Any money made by either of them during the marriage was "their" money, so no- he wasn't paying for everything, "they" were paying for everything.

[eclectcmoi]

35 minutes ago, mon berg said:

 

If it was partnership she should be working why should he be paying for everything and her nothing.

 

This is the problem with US system its so obsessed with wealth it doesn't look at the real picture of how much do the children really need.

 

No one is arguing the children should be supported but I remember Shannon mentioning he offered to cover the costs but she doesn't want that.

 

David is being punished for being successful remember he came from nothing not a silver spoon family like Shannon so he built that out of his own hard long hours work (Shannon raised the children as well yes but for years now she could of contributed and has not offered any financial support to household) yet expects to live a fancy lifestyle off someone else back)

Perhaps the partnership was Shannon staying home taking care of the girls while David worked.  Now that that partnership is no longer happening, Shannon IS trying to do what she can to bring money in to help support her family.  Unfortunately it's not as easy as snapping your fingers and this happening instantly. Also, in California, the cost of living is very high. Is that a problem across the US... maybe... but it is a reality here that a lot of people have to deal with.   The support David is paying now sounded like a temporary judgement and could be reduced later by whatever income Shannon is bringing in. 

David is not being punished.  David chose to have a relationship outside of his marriage and chose to leave his family. He is not a victim in this situation.  

Kudooz @918lux... you beat me to replying and said it much better than I could have!

Edited August 22, 2018 by eclectcmoi

[ghoulina]

19 hours ago, mon berg said:

wealth he worked all his life for and she never worked great system they have in US

She didn't work because she stayed home to raise HIS children and care for HIS house. They both made a decision for her to be a SAHM; it's not like she conned him into anything. Everything he earned is just as much hers because of the sacrifices she made to enable him to do what he does. 

[Jel]

Some time ago someone did a study about what the services of a stay-at-home mom would amount to...it was a lot, well over $100k a year when you factor in childcare, a cook, housekeeping, errand running, looking after sick kids, school tutoring,life coaching, party planning, counselling, advocacy etc.  Stay at home moms do an awful lot of work -- I've done both and working outside the home is a lot easier because at the very least you get lunch breaks and very few people in the office ever vomit on you (amirite moms!?).  Sadly, this work isn't particularly valued by everyone, but it has value, lots and lots of value.

Edited August 22, 2018 by Jel
had to add the word "by" between "valued and "everyone" so it would make sense!

[AntAnn]

2 minutes ago, Jel said:

Stay at home moms do an awful lot of work -- I've done both and working outside the home is a lot easier because at the very least you get lunch breaks and very few people in the office ever vomit on you (amirite moms!?).  Sadly, this work isn't particularly valued everyone, but it has value, lots and lots of value.

I have also done both and I agree that working outside the home is a lot easier for many reasons. 

[howiveaddict]

2 hours ago, mon berg said:

 

If it was partnership she should be working why should he be paying for everything and her nothing.

 

This is the problem with US system its so obsessed with wealth it doesn't look at the real picture of how much do the children really need.

 

No one is arguing the children should be supported but I remember Shannon mentioning he offered to cover the costs but she doesn't want that.

 

David is being punished for being successful remember he came from nothing not a silver spoon family like Shannon so he built that out of his own hard long hours work (Shannon raised the children as well yes but for years now she could of contributed and has not offered any financial support to household) yet expects to live a fancy lifestyle off someone else back)

Maybe we should go back to the 17 and 1800s.  When a man got tired of his wife, he just had her declared mentally ill and sentencd to an insane asylum.   Or lock her in the attic. 

[SweetieDarling]

1 hour ago, Jel said:

Some time ago someone did a study about what the services of a stay-at-home mom would amount to...it was a lot, well over $100k a year when you factor in childcare, a cook, housekeeping, errand running, looking after sick kids, school tutoring,life coaching, party planning, counselling, advocacy etc.  Stay at home moms do an awful lot of work -- I've done both and working outside the home is a lot easier because at the very least you get lunch breaks and very few people in the office ever vomit on you (amirite moms!?).  Sadly, this work isn't particularly valued by everyone, but it has value, lots and lots of value.

Plus, we help out the working moms on days that school decides to close early, or start late or cancel because of unforeseen circumstances (weather, power outages, water main breaks, 8am meetings...)

I've also been room mom several times and make an effort to send photos of the working moms' kids having fun at field day, or holiday parties and other school events that occur during the school/work day, because I know that's what i'd want.

I, however, refuse to do lunch/recess duty. I don't like the responsibility of policing and disciplining other people's children not of my choosing, and in those numbers. When recess is over, someone will be crying, and there's a good chance it will be me. Field trips aren't as bad, as they only assign about 4 or 5 kids per chaperone, depending on the trip.

[ava111]

On 8/21/2018 at 11:09 AM, bichonblitz said:

She knows how to make money? How so? As Tamra herself said, she has never known Shannon to have a job....

Shannon "works" on the show so she has income herself. Plus now she is trying the food line and if I remember correctly last season she wanted restaurant. Possibly she realized that was unrealistic so tried the food line instead.

I think she wanted less money because she has the show income and it makes her feel less dependent on David. She probably decided for him to cover only their children's needs which includes rent. 

[bichonblitz]

6 minutes ago, ava111 said:

Shannon "works" on the show so she has income herself. Plus now she is trying the food line and if I remember correctly last season she wanted restaurant. Possibly she realized that was unrealistic so tried the food line instead.

None of that means she"knows how" to make money. She got very lucky with the show. She never opened the restaurant and I don't think the qvc stint will last long. 

[ladle]

This episode was profoundly boring. 

The house-made potato chips that Kelly and The Milkman ordered sounded good. .....

....That's all I've got. 

[chenoa333]

9 hours ago, VedaPierce said:

Tamra inserts herself into EVERY situation! I noticed it the first time when Jim bellino tried to have a discussion with Terry during a finale a few years ago. Jim wanted to confront Terry about shit Terry said about Alexis. and I was so looking forward to that weasly little punk bitch getting his ass handed to him by Neanderthal Belino. But nope, Tamra had to insert herself into that discussion and plopped herself right down immediately, as if it concerned her, and the whole thing was over before it began. She’s so concerned about missing camera time, she runs off to Mexico immediately after Eddie’s operation. I wouldn’t be surprised if the coolness from Eddie is partly residual resentment from that, among other things. Hey Tamra, don’t you have a date rape to plan with your son? 

^^^ That's some awesome snark VEDAPIERCE!!

And where does Tamra think she can call Shannon out on Shannon not ever having a job since they've known each other? Tamra hasn't had a job since BEFORE she came on RHOC. Just 2 failed marriages, a gaggle of kids and now onto her 3rd marriage. And wtf ever happened to her "born again Christian" b.s. story? And Cut Fitness is just a hobby to keep Eddie busy. I'll bet it doesn't make enough money to afford jack shit.  

[Mu Shu]

On 8/21/2018 at 9:29 AM, Gem 10 said:

Shane ..  Yes, we New York Women are loud, annoying, Smart and Sophisticated.  Let’s see how you will like the lovely Vickie, Tamra and the rest when they start screaming, yelling and whooping it up.  You Dumb Ass.  I feel sorry for your wife, you little Mommas boy squirt.

Wasn’t Shane bitching about the screechy middle aged women?  Gina is the youngest one.  Must have meant the Ick.

[Gem 10]

6 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

Wasn’t Shane bitching about the screechy middle aged women?  Gina is the youngest one.  Must have meant the Ick.

That too.

[chenoa333]

25 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

Wasn’t Shane bitching about the screechy middle aged women?  Gina is the youngest one.  Must have meant the Ick.

Is Gina the blonde that looks like a freakish copy of Britney Spears? 

[Mu Shu]

Just now, chenoa333 said:

Is Gina the blonde that looks like a freakish copy of Britney Spears? 

She is the one people make say coffee.  I think she looks like Madonna smacked with a bag of nickels.  Like most non Scandinavian women, she’d look better brunette .  She’s the one who doesn’t have the weiner husband and crooked matte lipstick .

[ladle]

On 8/20/2018 at 9:35 PM, Straycat80 said:

Oh Gina, if you think this incident with Emily’s husband is over think again. These househo’s will talk about it and talk about it, dissect it, change up the story a million times and you’ll get so sick of hearing about it your ears will start bleeding. Welcome to the world of real housewife hell.

That's exactly what I got out of this episode.  It seemed like the two of them were pretty much saying, "It wasn't that big of a deal," and everyone else was like, "Oh, but it is because: storyline."  Lather, rinse, repeat.  

Edited August 23, 2018 by ladle
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[booboopbedoo]

12 hours ago, Mr. Minor said:

The guy looks like a schmuck just being with Vicki.

Yes!!!

Shady character and he will never marry her

[chenoa333]

24 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

She is the one people make say coffee.  I think she looks like Madonna smacked with a bag of nickels.  Like most non Scandinavian women, she’d look better brunette .  She’s the one who doesn’t have the weiner husband and crooked matte lipstick .

Thank you MuShu. That definitely clarifys who she is.! Lol. 

[ladle]

On 8/20/2018 at 10:02 PM, Bronzedog said:

Is the milkman Forest Gump?  “I like shrimp enchiladas, shrimp tacos, shrimp salsa, shrimp quesadillas, shrimp tortillas....”

"Quit namin' nuts!" ...Best in Show, anyone? 

[ladle]

On 8/21/2018 at 10:03 AM, ghoulina said:

It makes me think he was a lot nastier to her during the marriage than we ever imagined.

I mean, there was that domestic abuse report...

[ladle]

On 8/21/2018 at 10:43 AM, CrinkleCutCat said:

Because she is stupid (I don’t think she is ignorant, but she is lowering this for some emotional or illogical or other reason.)

Doesn't she have family money?  Not saying that means she doesn't "deserve" support from David -- just speaking to the question of why she might have been ok with lowering the amount.

[Sew Sumi]

Yes, she comes from money. That doesn't mean her parents will support her.

[candle96]

On 8/20/2018 at 11:21 PM, Fiero425 said:

...and as obnoxious AF for newbies! IDK why they just don't say Gina's a single mother? That hubby is not just working out of town, he's really living there; esp. if she hasn't seen the apartment! This is BS and they might as well reveal the truth! I flew into Long Beach to visit someone in Huntington Beach over 20 years ago! I got there right after some storm I guess; quite a bit of damage along the water! Also landed in Burbank to see someone else in Silver Lake; again it was while living as a NoCal in SF/Oak/Sac! I miss it after moving back to Chicago! How's the wildfire situation?  ;-)

Ha! I'm also a Chicago to California to Chicago person (although in my case it was L.A.). A good chunk of my heart will always be out there, but it was too hard to be so far from family, plus the cost of living. . . maybe some day if I'm rich.

The thing that I don't get about the situation with Gina. It sounds like they were brand new to the O.C. when her husband got this job in northern L.A. Why not just move the whole family up there? It's not like they had long-established roots in the O.C. Northern L.A. might not be as glamorous as the O.C. (??), but L.A. proper and nearby areas certainly are. Perhaps the husband squashed that idea for nefarious reasons. 

[candle96]

On 8/20/2018 at 11:49 PM, CrinkleCutCat said:

In this day and age what idiot (who has the money for legal representation) would represent themselves in a divorce?!

Especially stupid considering how much money he has. It's not like they're negotiating over a few thousand here. Shannon could really take him to the cleaners if he insists on representing himself.

For Shannon's sake, I hope he does continue in this stupidity. My fear is that he'll soon get (if he hasn't already) a super vicious attorney who'll drag it out.

[Lisin]

Please keep your discussion to things that happened on the show, all personal talk belongs in Small Talk. Thanks! 

[SuprSuprElevated]

13 hours ago, candle96 said:

Especially stupid considering how much money he has. It's not like they're negotiating over a few thousand here. Shannon could really take him to the cleaners if he insists on representing himself.

For Shannon's sake, I hope he does continue in this stupidity. My fear is that he'll soon get (if he hasn't already) a super vicious attorney who'll drag it out.

I thought maybe it was to buttress the idea that was put out in the press that he was "nearly broke" an couldn't afford the payments to Shannon.

[ghoulina]

14 hours ago, candle96 said:

The thing that I don't get about the situation with Gina. It sounds like they were brand new to the O.C. when her husband got this job in northern L.A. Why not just move the whole family up there? It's not like they had long-established roots in the O.C. Northern L.A. might not be as glamorous as the O.C. (??), but L.A. proper and nearby areas certainly are. Perhaps the husband squashed that idea for nefarious reasons. 

I really would like to understand this as well. I bet he came up with some cockamamie story and sold her on the idea of staying in Orange County, just so he could go run wild in LA.

[Mu Shu]

I think Shannon didn’t try to soak David because she has a strong sense of fair play and a conscience.  For all her flaws, she’s a good person.

and yes to Archie dressed as Bert.  Get a headband with some hair attached like Bert wears.  They’re both blondes.

im not much into dogs but this really needs to happen.  Give me my summer of Shannon, Bravo!

[Carolina Girl]

On 8/22/2018 at 10:30 AM, 918lux said:

Bullshit. As partners, they jointly decided she would stay home and take care of the kids and the home-front.  Without her support in that, he might not have been able to work as much and make that kind of money.  She was "working" on the domestic front, something they both agreed to.  Any money made by either of them during the marriage was "their" money, so no- he wasn't paying for everything, "they" were paying for everything.

Good - you said everything I was thinking!  And that award was made AFTER the judge saw the income statements from BOTH parties.    He looked at the length of the marriage, David's income vis-a-vis Shannon's and came up with the number.  

[iloveit]

Shane yelling at Gina was the best thing to happen to Gina because now everyone is talking about what a dick he is (which would be accurate). Otherwise, they would be talking about how annoying she was. I don’t mind Gina but I don’t think she really fits in with this crew. She should move back to Long Island and convince Andy to start a RH of LI franchise.

if it were a normal situation, I don’t think it would have been weird that Emily felt like she had to get back home but given that she is on this show and appears to be well off, why couldn’t they just hire a babysitter for the kids for a couple hours while Emily was working on RHOC?

i think Kelly was stoned AF during her milk man date. 

Edited to add: maybe Shannon can date Ben when her divorce is over if he is single. 

Edited August 24, 2018 by iloveit

[Anne Thrax]

On 8/20/2018 at 6:51 PM, bagger said:

His shorts are too short

Well, he is from New York.  They don't know about warm climates and dressing for it.  Those were probably some gym shorts he had sitting around.

Edited August 25, 2018 by Anne Thrax

[Anne Thrax]

On 8/21/2018 at 9:22 AM, Mindthinkr said:

Shannon should have taken the $30k. She’ll need it to pay her lawyers fees. He had 2 boxes of paperwork, as well as his briefcase. It had to costly for him to spend the time (billable hours) to read everything that Shannon had (texts and emails). It could be that David will have to pay her lawyers bill as well as any court costs. She was the wronged party. He isn’t doing himself any favors by being his own counsel (I am not supporting him here as I dislike him strongly)...having to pony up to pay hers might send him over the top with anger. 

Anyone know why they called the eyebrow procedure microblading instead of tattooing? 

I think Kelly is borderline on cosmetic procedures. Her face didn’t move when she was laughing. I also think that she could do better than the “milkman” character. 

1 - In California, there is no wronged party.  It's a no-fault divorce state.

2 - They do the procedure with a thin blade instead of a needle.

3 - No she can't.

[Keywestclubkid]

2 minutes ago, Anne Thrax said:

 

3 - No she can't.

That made me Lol 

[Anne Thrax]

On 8/21/2018 at 6:41 PM, KLovestoShop said:

I hope for Shannon’s sake that Assboy hasn’t been hiding assets, and screws her out of a lot of money.  

Shannon doesn’t need a new man right now.  All she needs is a good bottle of wine and fresh packs of batteries.  

If these new women are supposed to be so freaking wealthy, their houses certainly don’t show it.  I know California real estate is way beyond stupid high, but when I see even Shannon’s rental, I’m not impressed.  They look like homes in my neighborhood, but for thousands and thousands less. 

Did you notice those two big boxes Shannon's attorney brought to the hearing?  That was most likely the discovery that was conducted in the case.  They have the receipts for sure.  Which is probably why David was so mad.  Some dipshit buddy probably told him to get rid of his attorney because the judge goes easier on people who represent themselves.  It's somewhat true in a case where both parties are broke, and paying a lawyer would be a hardship.  But the judge had read David's income and expense statement and was already hip to the fact that he could well afford an attorney.  They see jerks like him on a daily basis, so it's not hard for them to peg who's who.

No doubt most houses in Orange County are as ordinary as the houses in other parts of the country.  The big money is not so much for the houses, but the land they're sitting on.  In fact, depending on how close to the ocean it is, even if a house is in bad shape the lot can sell for close to the same price as it would with a nice house on it.  Cuz you can't move the ocean.  Haven't you ever heard the three most important considerations in real estate?  They are:  location, location, and location.  (Yeah, the life insurance "price" people stole that from the real estate folks.)

Edited August 26, 2018 by Anne Thrax

[sandyskyblue]

On 8/20/2018 at 11:29 PM, breezy424 said:

You're so bad....

It's temporary support.  That's why her lawyer said she's good for six(?) months.  And why shouldn't she?  Marriage is a partnership and she wasn't the one who wanted a divorce.  Tamra also said the house Shannon was renting cost $12000 a month.  IMO, she should have taken the $30000 that the judge originally ordered. 

I don't know if that amount also included child support.  Three kids.....  The cost of living in CA and the northeast can be very high.

Yup, agree, Shannon is a better person than I would have been in her situation, if a judge told me I'd get $30,000/month, my next question would be: 'where do I sign?'  So Shannon lowers the amount herself and shifty-eyes David is still livid?  FU David....I never liked you or trusted you anyway!

[thebestcasey]

On 8/25/2018 at 3:35 PM, Anne Thrax said:

No doubt most houses in Orange County are as ordinary as the houses in other parts of the country.  The big money is not so much for the houses, but the land they're sitting on.  In fact, depending on how close to the ocean it is, even if a house is in bad shape the lot can sell for close to the same price as it would with a nice house on it.  Cuz you can't move the ocean.  Haven't you ever heard the three most important considerations in real estate?  They are:  location, location, and location.  (Yeah, the life insurance "price" people stole that from the real estate folks.)

This is absolutely true. My husband and I just “upgraded” from our starter condo and we paid close to $1M for a run down 3 bedroom, 1700 square foot house 3.3 miles from the beach in Orange County.  Anyone who doesn’t live in OC, NY, LA, or SF would laugh like a crazy person if they saw our house and knew what we paid for it. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

You know, I said it all along about David.  It was soooooo obvious David's been wanting to get outta this marriage since we first met him & Shannon.  OK, so why didn't he divorce Shannon years ago?  The kids?  Nah, others said that, but I didn't believe that shit for a second.  No, no, no.  So why didn't David dump Shannon a zillion years ago?  Clearly, he was miserably unhappy with her -- and yet he stuck around.  Uh, why?

Dough, dough, dough, dough, dough, dough!

David is worth millions & he doesn't wanna give Shannon any of it.  Well, tough shit, David, ya cheap fuck.  Shannon paid her dues in a crap marriage, where you treated her like shit & cheated on her & even beat her.  And she stayed at home & raised your kids, so it's time to pay up, shithead!

[ScoobieDoobs]

Look, I know the Milkman's shorts were all kinds of wrong.  And yet, damn, he had great legs!  Sure, his look & manner was off-putting & weird.  And yet, he was kinda hot.  I thought he was stoned -- er, cuz I figured that's the only way to get thru a date with Kelly.  And no, he wasn't completely stupid cuz he said Kelly was difficult.  So he clearly knows what she's about.

So I'm confused.  Uh, why does Kelly think she'll never be alone?  Still, scratching my head over why she's so confident about that.  I figured ALL men would eventually flee from her (maybe with varying degrees of quickness), the same way they all eventually flee from Bethenny.  Eek!

[mytmo]

Mr. Mytmo remarked in passing if Gina's MIL was Kelly's mom.  Also he said Gina's marriage looked NFL (not for long).

[sasha206]

Holy crap, I'm amazed by 22K a month in support? I guess David does pretty well.  And while he seemed shady years ago, there is now no question in my mind after hearing about him being livid and how nervous she was that he violent when that call to the house was made.  At the time, I thought it was her that was unhinged.

Kelly and the milkman...their convo was worse than a teenager's convo.  He's attractive but not nearly attractive enough to be that stupid.

[itsadryheat]

On 8/21/2018 at 6:35 AM, ghoulina said:

IMO, I don't really think it's a big deal on EITHER side. It was 10 pm, not 2 am. ALL the ladies were being loud that night, including Shane's mother and sister.

Not buying his Father of the Year act. This uptight MO probably wasn't a fan of the party in the first place and wanted Gina out for him, not the kids. When I was a kid, my parents had parties, they were loud, having a good time and we were "banished" to our rooms. They didn't rearrange their lives for us. We didn't mind cause there was cool party food we got to eat and it was fun eavesdropping. Snowflake Shane.