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How many glasses of rose did Lindsay down before they left for that outdoor place? At least 2. I'm convinced part of her failing to take accountability for their fights is that she is too drunk to remember how belligerent she is. (that, plus her personality disorder) In the span of just 5 minutes, Lindsay called Carl "Sandoval," a gaslighter, a terrorist, and spilled that he has many demons. Yikes! Lindsay doesn't love Carl, she never has. She just wants to have a wedding and be pregnant. She liked him when he was a shell of himself, following her around like a lost puppy. I have never liked Lindsay, but this season it is all the more apparent that SHE is the biggest barrier in her way to finding happiness and I honestly find it pretty sad.

OMG, those new guys are not it. Sorry to be shallow, but so unattractive! Isn't that part of the reason we watch? And there's Ciara, hooking up with another mediocre-looking white dude. Lol. And where's Sam? She at least brought a little bit of new energy. Meanwhile, I have been WAITING for the Carl-Lindsay breakup since they announced it. Can't wait! Forget VPR, this is my Scandoval.

Agreed. Surely she had some inkling of RHONY and the HoWives universe. If you know of Ramona and Bethenny there's no way you couldn't have been semi-prepared for the behavior from your castmates. (Ramona would eat these women whole, lol) And while I do like Jenna (mostly because she seems like our touchstone to reality when everyone else is annoying and/or unlikeable), I'm a bit over her body insecurities. The woman is built like a model - 6 feet and super thin. She could wear pretty much anything off the rack and look great. Her going on and on about not wearing a suit in front of the camera and the other women? Please. A lot of women would kill to look like you in a bathing suit or strapless dress and still be able to eat cheese. I remember her era of J Crew - nothing above a size 14 and as a woman who is also 6 ft and a true size 14, even that was looked down upon. Jenna seems like a nice person, but it was not a particularly inclusive era of J Crew. Skinny, skinny, skinny jeans, tiny bathing suits, the advent of size 00, etc.

I love that song and know it well, and even knowing its origins, I hadn't put it all together! Thanks for the insight. :) If I recall, though, Carey was not some rich aristocrat, but rather a true hippie that maybe lived in a cave?? Hence the "my fingernails are dirty, I've got beach tar on my feet, and I miss my clean white linens and fancy French cologne." And while I'm enjoying this show, Daisy Jones could never! Joni Mitchell's music is (and Stevie Nicks') is legions beyond this.

Sadly, I think the fact that LIndsay can walk all over Carl is one of the reasons why they're together. Carl seems like a shell of himself. I truly hope he gets off this show and away from the reality tv circuit. Once their Love Bubble (to borrom from Teresa) pops, I think Carl is in for some hard times with Lindsay. What a rollercoaster with Carl - I've always had a soft spot for him, but then there were those few year where he was an absolute monster when he drank, and now back to being a seemingly kind and thoughtful person. He deserves better than Lindsay. And yes, Craig is THE WORST. I have never liked him and am baffled why he is a fan favorite. He has skated by on his good looks for some time, but it won't last. And Paige will ultimately want a provider. She may be doing the single girl in New York thing now, but I can see her turning into a suburban mom whose husband makes enough money for her to stay at home pretty quickly. That's not Craig.

I actually agree with you. When she came home from prison, of all things, I thought she looked great - her natural skin and just long straight hair. But I don't mind the darker hair, think it suits her. I thought the hair color she had for this wedding was an awful choice. Too close to the fake tan of her skin.

Count me in your party! She is a TOP TIER housewife. Who has given us more iconic moments? Yes, she's kind of crazy, but she's real and vulnerable and also hilarious in her confessions.

Speculation, but I'll put a spoiler tag on it. . .

Oh man, I tried. I love Jon Bernthal - wasted talent for this show. I was both bored and confused. The ending came and I still don't have answers, nor did I enjoy the conclusion. 1. Why did Lisa Beck kill herself? Did i miss an answer to this? She was perfectly happy at that party and then just. . . what? 2. So Isabelle had Olga killed? Because???? And her caretaker too? 3. I'm confused how the two henchmen seemed to know each other/be related. One worked for Olga/Isabelle, one worked for the rich family. 4. Confused as to Isabelle's motive for getting the kid back. I thought for sure she was going to keep him to groom him to become the next Julian. It also seems strange to me that Julian never once supsected Isabelle of anything. Like I said, a waste of Jon Bernthal's talent, charm, and amazing hair. Even when he was on-call with a client, he got a sad and angsty client. Would've liked a few more scenes of him putting on the full-charm offense, showing how he can seduce women and make people feel comfortable. Gretchen Mol is okay, but was not appealing here. I could not care less about the son. I was pleasantly surprised by Rosie's character and character development. At least she had a few funny lines to raise the viewer out of the drudgery. Yes, they even initially implied it with Michelel telling Julian "you have to go, he'll just do it again!" Do what? The husband ultimately ended up being clueless about everything.

I knew something bad was coming when he woke up in the middle of the night. Of course, I don't know how the real life Suiter was, but the actor did a magnificent job of portraying a mostly sympathetic character, such that I really felt for him. I thought it was interesting that he believed himself to be above some of the more problematic aspects of the department becuase he worked homicide. I wonder how much of that was influenced by Simon's original work, "Homicide," where they are largely portrayed as thinkers, not thugs. More than anything, it just reminded me of how much I loved that show. How Suiter was portrayed would fit very well into the "Homicide" universe. It is pretty much impossible to find (come on, NBC/Peacock!) but if you haven't watched it and like this, I highly recommend. I applaud this show on sparing no punches about the level of corruption and dysfucntion throughout the system. I live in Chicago and it's probably just as bad here.

Can someone help me out? Does Nick look familiar to anyone else? Has he been on another reality show before? I KNOW I know him from somewhere, but the problem is that I live in Chicago. I can't tell if he's been on tv or if I've actually run into him in real life. I seriously doubt the latter, but I guess crazier things have happened. Chicago can feel like a very small town at times, given the number of people here vs the number of people I run into. FWIW, I've lived in Chicago for about 20 years.I am not rich by any means but have lived in high rises here, in various places on the north side. In one I even had a tiny sliver of Lake Michigan in my view, although it mostly a downtown view, also beautiful. I have lots of friends who live in them, none of them super wealthy (minus a few. . . )

Same, but if that's true, I'd probably find her a lot more fun and interesting! Reminds me of once Luann from RHONY dropped the "proper" Countess BS and became them "don't be all uncool" Luann, hooking up with guys with abandon. I was truly disturbed by that scene at Mary's church. She is not a good person. The numbers looked dramatically smaller than when Meredith and Whitney went in the first season, but maybe that was because of COVID.

My best friend got her period for the first time when were 12 (at summer camp!) and she put in a tampon as if she'd been doing it her whole life. I tried on and off for a couple of years, but never really got the hang of them. Finally a beach vacation the same week of my period forced me to figure it out when I was about 15. Then I had a friend in college at 18/19 who couldn't use them and were several of us went into the bathroom with her in the dorm to coach her along. Everyone's different!

I don't think so. I saw him on tv on New Year's Eve (part of the local Chicago news coverage) and he seemed totally with it. I think he is on one of the Chicago (Fire, PD, Med) shows. They were doing Chicago trivia and he was whipping off answers faster than any of his co-stars. I'm also laughing at his portrayal because my dad is 80 and wears hearing aids and even HE acts younger than Steve does on this show. FFS.

The sheer lack of discussion around all of Miranda's shenanigans is driving me crazy - both with own husband and her friends. Yeah, there was that one scene at the picnic table, but that was it. The word "Steve" wasn't even uttered in that scene! And it was made to seem like Charlotte was being judgmental, but hello, if one of my best friends had sex with someone other than their spouse and was thinking of doing it again, I might want to bring up all they stand to lose, and/or the fact that their spouse has feelings too. Instead they made the fight about Charlotte not thinking Miranda was progressive enough for Che. That's really the least of the issues here, in my opinion. Subsequently, we have scenes with Miranda and Carrie, and Carrie barely encourages her to not give up on Steve. I think we're supposed to think Carrie is being a good friend by not bringing up about the most problematic aspect of all of this - the cheating? I'm holding out hope this is all going to come back and bite Miranda in the ass. Poor Steve.