The Duggars and Their World: Fashion, Food, Finance, Schoolin’ and Child Rearin'

[riverblue22]

I never had an engagement ring because it wasn't important enough to me considering our limited funds.  We did get really nice wedding bands however.  I've never missed it and in fact most of my friends never wear their engagement rings because they are too much trouble.  We did manage to save and buy a house a year after we married so it all worked out fine.

[RazzleberryPie]

I'll scream t from the rooftops: I like jewelry. I like diamonds, gold, silver, pearls, plastic, pretend, candy, etc. I don't care if it is costume or couture. There's some of everything I like.

Now that we've established I am not modest or self denying in my love of useless shiny things, I think Tabitha's ring is fine. 

A persons worth shouldn't be tied to their ring. Large or small, it's the ring they chose, and she's the one who has to wear it, he's the one who has to pay for it, so good for them.

They're not preachy Duggars, he has a job, she's happy with her ring, I'm moving on.

[Arwen Evenstar]

24 minutes ago, RazzleberryPie said:

They're not preachy Duggars, he has a job, she's happy with her ring, I'm moving on.

 I think we've beaten this horse to death...the Duggars or the Dillydumdums need to give us something new to snark on.

[jcbrown]

2 hours ago, RazzleberryPie said:

I'll scream t from the rooftops: I like jewelry. I like diamonds, gold, silver, pearls, plastic, pretend, candy, etc. I don't care if it is costume or couture. There's some of everything I like.

Now that we've established I am not modest or self denying in my love of useless shiny things, I think Tabitha's ring is fine. 

A persons worth shouldn't be tied to their ring. Large or small, it's the ring they chose, and she's the one who has to wear it, he's the one who has to pay for it, so good for them.

They're not preachy Duggars, he has a job, she's happy with her ring, I'm moving on.

Sing it, Razzleberrypie. I'm right there with you on all counts--the love of sparkly things and the thinking Tabitha's ring is fine.

[Marigold]

All rings are pretty if they are given and received with true love. 

[sometimesy]

I cannot lie, I like big bling.

[BitterApple]

7 minutes ago, sometimesy said:

I cannot lie, I like big bling.

I do too. I know I sound completely shallow, but I kind of expected that Tim would be able to come up with something a little sparklier, especially considering he's in his 40s and has presumably been working all these years with the intent of getting married. If they were two kids just starting out in life, I'd understand it better, but he should be established enough to where he could afford a carat or so. 

Edited January 11, 2017 by BitterApple

[Arwen Evenstar]

As long as it gets Tabitha out of Tinkertoy hell, for all I care, it could have come from a gumball machine. I too, thought for his age, he might have had a bigger stone, but for a variety of reasons, maybe she didn't want a bigger stone...perhaps they are just modest and want a quiet and simple wedding. Having to pay to feed 1000 of your closest friends probably precludes the purchase of a honking rock.

[Micks Picks]

I'd go for the bling and forget about the reception.  Hell, I don't have a thousand close friends anyway.

[Jynnan tonnix]

8 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

As long as it gets Tabitha out of Tinkertoy hell, for all I care, it could have come from a gumball machine. I too, thought for his age, he might have had a bigger stone, but for a variety of reasons, maybe she didn't want a bigger stone...perhaps they are just modest and want a quiet and simple wedding. Having to pay to feed 1000 of your closest friends probably precludes the purchase of a honking rock.

I like bling as much, and probably way more than, the next person. I swear I was a magpie in a previous life. If it sparkles, I'm all over it. But, to me, something you wear every day, which is always right there no matter what you are doing, needs to be a bit more restrained. An engagement ring shouldn't (or, at least, doesn't have to) be a statement piece or proof that you are marrying someone with deep pockets. There's actually something about an extravagant stone which (to me-YMMV) implies a sense of ownership...

I know a lot of people take their rings off when they do household chores and such, but I hardly ever do...For one thing I'm always afraid I'll lose it when I do take it off, for another it doesn't slide on and off nearly as easily as it did many pounds ago, and for a third, I simply forget it's there to start with since it IS so innocuous. 

[bigskygirl]

As all of you thee post, please vow to keep the discussion on the Duggars and Their World instead of going off into the world of off topic discussions. Thank you.

[Fostersmom]

On January 11, 2017 at 1:16 AM, Micks Picks said:

I'd go for the bling and forget about the reception.  Hell, I don't have a thousand close friends anyway.

Neither do any of them. Let's be honest, could any of the Duggars and Company identify even 50% of the people they invite to these fundy gift grabs by face or name? It's like they just go thru the fundy directory and invite the whole damn thing and see who shows up, hence the smaller real party at the house later. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

9 minutes ago, Fostersmom said:

Neither do any of them. Let's be honest, could any of the Duggars and Company identify even 50% of the people they invite to these fundy gift grabs by face or name? It's like they just go thru the fundy directory and invite the whole damn thing and see who shows up, hence the smaller real party at the house later. 

Well, since Fundies always travel in family groups due to accountability, you can't just invite one, you've got to invite everyone in a particular family.  Duggar immediate minus spouses and kids make 21 to feed...put a bunch of supersize families together, and doing the math quickly adds up to 100 people.

[Fostersmom]

I get that part, but I sometimes doubt Family A even could pick Family B out of a line up… any of Family B. Or if Family A invited Family B because A knows C and C knows B. Kind of like how I'm Facebook friends with people I must have gone to high school with 20 years ago, we have 25 friends in common, they sent me a request, but I literally have NO idea of who they are. Granted my graduating class was 806 students so there's a good chance I actually never met them and they just sent the request because they saw my name on other pages, but FB requests are a hell of a lot different than a wedding invite. 

[GeeGolly]

15 hours ago, Fostersmom said:

I get that part, but I sometimes doubt Family A even could pick Family B out of a line up… any of Family B. Or if Family A invited Family B because A knows C and C knows B. Kind of like how I'm Facebook friends with people I must have gone to high school with 20 years ago, we have 25 friends in common, they sent me a request, but I literally have NO idea of who they are. Granted my graduating class was 806 students so there's a good chance I actually never met them and they just sent the request because they saw my name on other pages, but FB requests are a hell of a lot different than a wedding invite. 

I really think there is an unwritten (or in their case it probably is written down somewhere) Fundy rule that all events have a secondary purpose; meet & greets for potential mates.

[bigskygirl]

Taking the discussion about JB and Michelle's lousy parenting skills from the Derick and Jill discussion. Imo, yes I do agree 100% they both need to take the majority of the blame when it comes to what has happened with all their children from Josh and down the line to Josie. In the case of Josh, he seems like the type of guy who would have turned to hookers, porn and cheating on his wife no matter what type of childhood or parents he had. I say he needs to take the blame for his actions when it comes to his Ashley Madison account and cheating on Anna.

I think Jessa would have turned out the same way even with a more normal childhood and normal parents. She thinks she is the greatest thing to come along since sliced bread. She loves the attention just as much as her famewhoring parents. She probably would have been or try to be the most popular mean girl in school.

Jill to me seems to be stuck in the junior high/high school phase of life. Yes, once again, JB and Michelle should take part of the blame her lack of real world and life skills, but I think marriage and having children is damaging her more. Does that make sense?

John David scares me because he seems to look like the creepy stalker/killer from a bad Lifetime channel movie. Yes, I know he does many tasks, but I would not want him to be the one person on call in case of an emergency. I would go across the street to my neighbor who is a volunteer fireman in a time of crisis instead of John David. The big part of the reason why is his lack of life skills, and the fact his career choices were approved by JB and Gothard. I do understand kids may go to their parents asking advice about career choices, but I cannot see someone having to choose a career by a man with some rather unpleasant views about certain groups of people or because they think certain vocational/emergency services are a way to save people from their heathen ways.

I admit I do not care for the Duggars and their way of life. I do not hate them, but I do not like them either. Do I feel sorry for the kids and the way they were raised. Yes, yes, and did I say yes. I am hoping for a much better outcome for the newest generation of Duggars, but I am not holding my breath.

[GeeGolly]

40 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Taking the discussion about JB and Michelle's lousy parenting skills from the Derick and Jill discussion. Imo, yes I do agree 100% they both need to take the majority of the blame when it comes to what has happened with all their children from Josh and down the line to Josie. In the case of Josh, he seems like the type of guy who would have turned to hookers, porn and cheating on his wife no matter what type of childhood or parents he had. I say he needs to take the blame for his actions when it comes to his Ashley Madison account and cheating on Anna.

I think Jessa would have turned out the same way even with a more normal childhood and normal parents. She thinks she is the greatest thing to come along since sliced bread. She loves the attention just as much as her famewhoring parents. She probably would have been or try to be the most popular mean girl in school.

Jill to me seems to be stuck in the junior high/high school phase of life. Yes, once again, JB and Michelle should take part of the blame her lack of real world and life skills, but I think marriage and having children is damaging her more. Does that make sense?

John David scares me because he seems to look like the creepy stalker/killer from a bad Lifetime channel movie. Yes, I know he does many tasks, but I would not want him to be the one person on call in case of an emergency. I would go across the street to my neighbor who is a volunteer fireman in a time of crisis instead of John David. The big part of the reason why is his lack of life skills, and the fact his career choices were approved by JB and Gothard. I do understand kids may go to their parents asking advice about career choices, but I cannot see someone having to choose a career by a man with some rather unpleasant views about certain groups of people or because they think certain vocational/emergency services are a way to save people from their heathen ways.

I admit I do not care for the Duggars and their way of life. I do not hate them, but I do not like them either. Do I feel sorry for the kids and the way they were raised. Yes, yes, and did I say yes. I am hoping for a much better outcome for the newest generation of Duggars, but I am not holding my breath.

I agree. And I'll add that lack of exposure to other adults/beliefs/cultures such as teachers, coaches and friends' parents and other folks in general makes JB's & M's influence greater than that of the average parents influence. 

Edited January 14, 2017 by GeeGolly

[Arwen Evenstar]

20 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I agree. And I'll add that lack of exposure to other adults/beliefs/cultures such as teachers, coaches and friends' parents and other folks in general makes JB's & M's influence greater than that of the average parents influence. 

That makes what they did to their kids even more deliberate and insidious.

[AUgirl]

On 1/8/2017 at 8:01 AM, Churchhoney said:

I'll bet the TLC crews change the bulbs. And I'm sure you're right about what will happen to them once TLC leaves. But then they can just use floor and table lamps. And have a vast sky of darkness above them in the living room. That sounds about right, moodwise, actually.

I remember on a Jon and Kate plus 8 "behind the scenes" production lights were installed in their house for filming. That's probably the same set-up here. 

[kalamac]

https://www.autostraddle.com/i-was-trained-for-the-culture-wars-in-home-school-awaiting-someone-like-mike-pence-as-a-messiah-367057/

Interesting article at Autostraddle from a woman who was raised Evangelical/Quiverfull/Homeschooled, with the purpose of life being Outbreed and Outvote. Her article is another example of how much the Duggars have failed in their mission with their own kids, as she says they were in programs where they learned how to argue effectively and were taught critical thinking skills, whereas the Duggar kids couldn't think their way out of a paper bag with a hole in both ends.

[GeeGolly]

33 minutes ago, kalamac said:

https://www.autostraddle.com/i-was-trained-for-the-culture-wars-in-home-school-awaiting-someone-like-mike-pence-as-a-messiah-367057/

Interesting article at Autostraddle from a woman who was raised Evangelical/Quiverfull/Homeschooled, with the purpose of life being Outbreed and Outvote. Her article is another example of how much the Duggars have failed in their mission with their own kids, as she says they were in programs where they learned how to argue effectively and were taught critical thinking skills, whereas the Duggar kids couldn't think their way out of a paper bag with a hole in both ends.

I think Gothard saw that allowing for, and teaching critical thinking backfired in many of these Fundy circles. I think his screed called for blind followers.

[Arwen Evenstar]

7 hours ago, kalamac said:

https://www.autostraddle.com/i-was-trained-for-the-culture-wars-in-home-school-awaiting-someone-like-mike-pence-as-a-messiah-367057/

Interesting article at Autostraddle from a woman who was raised Evangelical/Quiverfull/Homeschooled, with the purpose of life being Outbreed and Outvote. Her article is another example of how much the Duggars have failed in their mission with their own kids, as she says they were in programs where they learned how to argue effectively and were taught critical thinking skills, whereas the Duggar kids couldn't think their way out of a paper bag with a hole in both ends.

This article was absolutely fantastic. I'll just leave it at that so we all don't fall down the rabbit hole, but this article resonated with me because of where I grew up and where I went to school for a while. I was messed up for years by this and my parents didn't raise me like that.

Even when after I left, I told some people still at my school they had been brainwashed, they denied any such thing. That was early 1980s, so I can't even imagine how much stronger the Koolaid got for the Duggars...Gothard makes IFB look lax, despite their strict beliefs.

[kaleidoscope]

For some reason today, the schooling issue (rather, lack thereof) is really bothering me.  Is Anna the new teacher replacing Tabby?  Are the M kids lumped together with the others for their "school day" at the big table?  Are the kids getting ANY kind of education?  Are they more secluded than ever?  Do we have a front row seat for the educational horrors being "celebrated" on camera?  It hurts my insides:(

[Lady Edith]

When Anna and Smugley were living in DC, Anna appeared to have an active interest in Mac's early education.  She was four-ish and working on her letters, numbers, and writing skills.  I hate to think that changed when they moved back on compound.  Honestly, I would rather hope that Anna maintained control of her kids' education and told Michelle to stuff the SOTDRT.  If I remember correctly, it was said on 19KAC that Anna is a "trained educator" (whatever that means).    If this follows typical Duggar career classification, it probably means she took a couple of online child development courses.  But if she does have a degree of some sort it would make sense to have Anna take over the reins of the SOTDRT.  But that would mean the J kids getting something that resembles a real education instead of teachings from the wisdom booklets or the Gothard version of cyber school.  Not sure that would be acceptable ?.

[Almost 3000]

23 minutes ago, Lady Edith said:

If I remember correctly, it was said on 19KAC that Anna is a "trained educator" (whatever that means).

It was a course or courses from one of the Christian groups like Gothard. It really sounded like more of a certificate but I don't think we were ever told what it was. But she did seem to have a personal interest beyond the Wisdom books so that at least is something.

Edited February 18, 2017 by Almost 3000

[RazzleberryPie]

Is Anna the one who has some sort of certificate in some sort of early childhood education? I'm thinking she actually did at least attempt something, most likely unaccredited, but still something.

[Almost 3000]

Just now, RazzleberryPie said:

Is Anna the one who has some sort of certificate in some sort of early childhood education? I'm thinking she actually did at least attempt something, most likely unaccredited, but still something.

Yes!

[kaleidoscope]

At one time, Anna even took the kids to a LIBRARY!

[Darknight]

19 minutes ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

You mean this one?  It really warrants calling the fashion police! Joy was very small 

And again Jimchelle don't raise their kids. What if one of the kids was kidnapped?

[SMama]

But but but but but it got their freak show on TV!

[awaken]

Huge suit jacket on jimbob!

[ChiCricket]

1 hour ago, awaken said:

Huge suit jacket on jimbob!

I think that suit looks awful. He needs to wear a darker (more slimming) color. 

[ginger90]

And Michelle holding an envelope, avoiding being able to hold a hand of one of her children.

[SMama]

Well they all looked over six months, weaned, and assigned to a buddy. Why would she touch them? 

[Churchhoney]

13 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

You mean this one?  It really warrants calling the fashion police! Joy was very small 

Yeah, those pictures. 

It's a big reason why I should stay away from discussions of this show. When I looked at that picture then and when I look at it now, all I see is a horrifying panorama of hideous child abuse, carried out by an abuser (maybe abusers, depending on where Meeechelle's head was at in those days -- which is something I can never decide) who aims to normalize his sick psychology and bring it to the masses. I saw soul murder in the making then, and I think I've been proven right. 

So why I spend time talking about it with people who are interested in ways to make the "show" based on this horror into better "entertainment" is beyond me, actually. (Well, I know why. I'm obsessed with it because it's so fucking wrong and because I've been there in a different form and I know from the inside that psychology just exactly how fucking wrong it is.)

It should never ever ever have been made into something people can view as "entertainment." Because this fucking psychological abuser -- and the abusive cult he's allied with -- should never ever ever have been allowed on television to lull people into seeing his behavior as "entertainment." If just one parent has taken encouragement from this monster to treat his/her kids the same way, it's too damned many. If just one person has said the stinking untruth that, "Oh, but he loves his kiddos! I can see it!" and thereby failed to recognize the evil personal psychology and the evil cult this ass represents, it's too damned many. 

The shit that's pulled on these kids should never ever ever be excused. And the tv show is a decade-plus scheme to pay this evil bastard for carrying out his abuse.

And now a lot of the "entertainment" comes from the audience bashing six ways to Sunday the children who were mangled and destroyed by this, now that they've grown up. Since they're now grown up -- according to people who haven't a clue -- they're supposed to magically -- poof! -- shake off the massive warping they've gotten for decades-plus -- a warping that's been made considerably worse by their knowing that they're on a tv show that's "Entertainment!!!" and "A Family Mission!!!" -- and behave as if none of this crap has happened to them. And since they don't, the audience who's been so "entertained" by watching without any actual comprehension now gets the "fun" of  condemning them for being horrible jerks who haven't just snapped out of it and acted "normal." How dare people who've been viciously warped from birth not know how to act like people who haven't? How dare they not? 

And of course the bashing is more "entertainment." 

Can't stand any of this. And as I see the years and years of public noncomprehension go on I can stand it less and less. The Duggars are all about cults and personal psychological abuse. And cults? Psychological abuse? They should never ever ever ever ever be treated like anybody's "entertainment." Every minute I spend joking in this forum makes me as guilty as anybody else. So I really have to stop. ..... I always stupidly imagine that I can change some views of whether this show should be supported in any way, shape or form, but obviously that's just a combination of my arrogance and my desperate hatred of it. Doesn't work. Just winds me up and implicates me in what I honestly think is a crime -- treating the lives of the Duggar kids like "entertainment." Then or now.

Really, it's like packing a picnic lunch to go watch a hanging. 

Yeah. That's how much it horrifies me. Maybe I'm nuts. But maybe I'm not. 

[Barb23]

10 hours ago, ChiCricket said:

I think that suit looks awful. He needs to wear a darker (more slimming) color. 

Buy used & save the difference. 

I don't think we have ever seen him in a correct fitted & nice colored  suit. I keep picturing his gray suit from the Dullards wedding that has become his suit of choice. 

[SMama]

No @Churchhoney you are not nuts or alone. I initially hate watched the show until I realized as a mental health professional I should know better. Being a SAHM made me miss the population I worked with prior to my baby girl coming home. And this family, even when heralded as a model of Christianity had plenty of dysfunction. Thus Joshgate I did not surprise me one bit.

i do hear you and understand how difficult it is to conquer indoctrination. My grandmother raised me and she was a devout SDA, and I went to a Catholic school (best and only bilingual education at the time). Our type of SDA frowned upon all jewelry except wedding bands. Women received watches as engagement gifts. Only piano or organ as music in church, and no applauding. We did a ridiculous jazz hands like motion to show appreciation.

My grandmother was the sweetest, kindest person and NEVER told me wearing jewelery and applauding was wrong. As a matter of fact she stood by me when I got in trouble for asking what kind of whale Jonah was in, because seriously size matters. She encouraged my curiosity, speaking up, and challenging. She never had a problem with me dancing at home and singing along with the radio.

However I'm a grown ass woman who is still very uncomfortable with wearing jewelry. My husband gave up buying me jewelry that goes unused. He just gives me electronics and we are both OK with that. When I visited a SDA church in the states and there was applauding after a performance it made me very uncomfortable. BTW I LOVE music, singing, dancing, and whooping it up in any other setting.

I did not eat meat until I was thirty, and only tried pork for the first time in China. But it was difficult because that was SDA doctrine.  I ate pork because I had vowed that I would eat everything (within reason) offered in China. My daughter's province is known for their ham, and I was not going to insult my hosts. But it was difficult because in truth I did not want to disappoint a woman who loved me, never judged me, and had passed away thirty years earlier. But it is what I learned in church.

I might come across as a wimp and weird, but it is very hard to get out of a certain mindset. And my bio mother and grandfather were not SDA, I was exposed to Catholicism and real life daily.

On the plus side that same woman made it clear that a college degree was not if but a must, and that I should not depend on a man for my upkeep and protection. I'm glad I had her guidance in that regard.

Like many here I do hope and dream Joy and the others spread their wings and fly. But if my mild by comparison brand of Christianity is deeply imbedded, and I stopped practicing when grandma passed away when I was sixteen; my heart goes out to the nineteen. I just wish they were not such sanctimonious assholes, but is also all they know.

Sorry about the length of the post, and about the worst run on sentence ever. 

Edited February 25, 2017 by SMama
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[Platypus]

47 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Yeah. That's how much it horrifies me. Maybe I'm nuts. But maybe I'm not. 

You're not nuts and you're not the only one.  You see things other people can't see because of what you've been through.  

[Arwen Evenstar]

1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

Can't stand any of this. And as I see the years and years of public noncomprehension go on I can stand it less and less. The Duggars are all about cults and personal psychological abuse. And cults? Psychological abuse? They should never ever ever ever ever be treated like anybody's "entertainment." Every minute I spend joking in this forum makes me as guilty as anybody else. So I really have to stop. ..... I always stupidly imagine that I can change some views of whether this show should be supported in any way, shape or form, but obviously that's just a combination of my arrogance and my desperate hatred of it. Doesn't work. Just winds me up and implicates me in what I honestly think is a crime -- treating the lives of the Duggar kids like "entertainment." Then or now.

Really, it's like packing a picnic lunch to go watch a hanging. 

Yeah. That's how much it horrifies me. Maybe I'm nuts. But maybe I'm not. 

Churchie, I often feel the same way you do. Every minute I spend joking on this forum, makes me just as complicit, but I guess the joke is on me. Often, I ask myself WHY do I CARE? I've got plenty of other things I want to do and need to do instead of snarking on families who have effed up their kids. 

 I think what keeps me here is to count they ways that Boob and Mullet have failed their children. One of hobbies is armchair sociology, and the Duggars can be an academic study in what NOT to do to their kids. 

 I can't tell you the rage I feel to see undereducated and semi literate children, particularly adult children, struggle with the most basic soft skills, social skills, and life skills. Boob may have taught them all how to fix cars and make wise purchases, but they can only get so far in life without a decent education and critical thinking skills. I think what keeps me invested is to see one Duggar escape and make a great life for her/himself and the others will follow suit.

Edited February 24, 2017 by Arwen Evenstar
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[SMama]

The problem is the 19 have grown up listening to Boob and MEchelle dismiss the value of an education. Since they only associate with like minded folks they won't escape. Intellectual curiosity is not in their incredibly limited repertoire.

[Arwen Evenstar]

Yeah, it's really hard to overcome indoctrination until:

-You become aware you've been "had"

-You begin to realize that you "don't know what you don't know"

It will be a slow and often painful process to get yourself up to speed.

[AnnieBeez]

I can't believe that I never noticed Jim Bob's tie! and at least the giant jacket covers all the shit in his pants pockets. I couldn't believe he'd walk Jinger down the aisle with all his belongings in his pockets. 

Edited February 25, 2017 by MischaMouse

[ChiCricket]

5 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Yeah, those pictures. 

It's a big reason why I should stay away from discussions of this show. 

Really, it's like packing a picnic lunch to go watch a hanging. 

Yeah. That's how much it horrifies me. Maybe I'm nuts. But maybe I'm not. 

Ok, now I feel bad for snarking on the (adult) kids.

  I'm not going to stop, or anything, (cuz I'm mean like that, and already know I'm going to hell..LOL) but I still feel bad, knowing what some of you have gone through. 

 But it is like the biggest train wreck you just can't stop gawking at. I tell myself they whored themselves out for TV money, so it's ok to snark on them. But the kids didn't (and still don't) have a choice. Hope everyone that had a family dynamic like this has gotten help in some way.

[ChiCricket]

6 hours ago, SMama said:

I stopped practicing when grandma passed away when I was sixteen; my heart goes out to the nineteen. I just wish they were not such sanctimonious assholes, but is also all they know.

 If nothing else good comes out of your experience growing up in the Seventh Day Adventist church, you taught me (by Googling) what that church believes. I had a friend who was raised in that, and never knew that's what she believed/was subjected to.

   That's what's so sad about the kind of upbringing the Duggars do, because it's all so hidden, and their  kids have no other point of view.

    TBH I just thought my friend was just a little weird, like me. I was extremely, PAINFULLY? shy. She initiated the friendship, and we never talked  about religion.

  I just remember she could NEVER do anything on Saturdays..ever.

(I was raised Lutheran, then converted to Catholic when I met my husband, and now..I'm nothing) 

Edited February 25, 2017 by ChiCricket
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[SMama]

Thank you @ChiCricket. I did not even get into the sundown to sundown restrictions. Luckily for me my grandparents allowed me very little TV, mostly PBS because there was English programming. They wanted me to read and listen to as much English as possible. When kids talked about Friday night shows or Saturday cartoons, they knew I was not allowed to watch. They did not know it was because there is no TV, radio, anything but church allowed from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. I was only one of two protestants in my K-12 private school. The other girl was Baptist, she at least went to church on Sunday. I was teased a lot about going to church on "the wrong day." It did not bother me much.

And don't get me started on the no caffeine. I got my grubby little hands on a 7 up at age sixteen, and not again until I was 18. And of course not even rootbeer because clear stuff only. So if anyone thinks Dr. Ben Carson is weird, that is what a lifetime of this stuff does to even such a brilliant mind.

Damn feeling worse for the 19.  #freethe19

Edited February 25, 2017 by SMama

[lianau]

21 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

You mean this one?  It really warrants calling the fashion police! Joy was very small 

Why is that one boy not colour coordinated ?

[Arwen Evenstar]

13 minutes ago, lianau said:

Why is that one boy not colour coordinated ?

He went rogue.

Already you can see the kids with their designated sister mommy.

Mullet once explained the matchy matchy clothes so they could identify the kids if they got separated from the group.

[SMama]

And the boys could make some much needed extra money working at Target.

[Love2dance]

1 hour ago, lianau said:

Why is that one boy not colour coordinated ?

Maybe he wet his pants and that's all they had to quickly change him into. He looks the right age for that.

[Celia Rubenstein]

14 hours ago, Arwen Evenstar said:

Mullet once explained the matchy matchy clothes so they could identify the kids if they got separated from the group.

That's probably smart since it's unlikely she would be able recognize their faces. 

Edited February 25, 2017 by Celia Rubenstein