Josiah and Lauren: He Has To Marry Somebody

[Zella]

Just now, Cinnabon said:

On the other hand, the Duggar kids had to do things they didn’t want to do all of their lives (I refuse to believe they all wanted to be sister moms, play instruments, and be paraded around the country in their freak show),

But they were also taught that they were supposed to grin and bear it and not to express negative emotions about it, so it's not really the same as your parents requiring you to do something you don't want to do and letting you voice your displeasure. 

[cmr2014]

I also think that they would struggle with the social aspects.

They grew up bathing once or twice a week and sleeping in their clothes. Issues involving basic hygiene make people uncomfortable, and I think people would have been more likely to just walk away than to clue them in about body odor.

They have literally never had any friends. Some of the younger ones were allowed some limited friendships within the cult with people they saw, maybe, once a year. They've been raised not to trust anyone, even their siblings, and it's hard to develop friendships without some basic level of trust.

There's also the fact that they were taught that they could watch someone do something for 20 minutes and become experts themselves. I think the whole idea of study is alien to them, and I don't think that they have the internal emotional tools to persevere when things become difficult.

[GeeGolly]

2 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

On the other hand, the Duggar kids had to do things they didn’t want to do all of their lives (I refuse to believe they all wanted to be sister moms, play instruments, and be paraded around the country in their freak show), but I doubt Michelle made them push themselves with their schooling. 

I agree, but truly nothing the Duggar 19 has had to do, lasted more than a couple of hours and rarely were they solely responsible for anything. They could pretty much half-ass anything and get away with it, and were given wide berth as to when to get it done.

Mainstream life comes with all kinds of built in structure and expectations. One of the things many of my clients struggle with is lack of structure after years of school, jobs, parenting, etc. When they lose these built in structures (for various reasons) they're lost.

For the Duggars its the complete opposite. They never had consistent built in structure, so they find it very hard to conform.

[jschoolgirl]

On 1/20/2022 at 12:48 AM, GeeGolly said:

In Marjorie's case her degree got her a job at a hate filled entity, so now she's a college educated Fundy.

Its hard for me to imagine any Duggar succeeding in school. I mean look at Jill, she didn't even attempt to get her fake midwife certificate until she was forced and it was difficult for her. And her attempt at learning Spanish never really evolved beyond labeling household items, even when she had one on one help in El Salvador. 

I think Josiah would have struggled for the same reasons - you have to continue to show up.

Where did Marjorie go to college and what did she major in?

[Zella]

12 minutes ago, jschoolgirl said:

Where did Marjorie go to college and what did she major in?

I'm pretty sure she got a graphic design degree from John Brown, a private Christian college in Siloam Springs. It's considered a nice school. I know quite a few people who attended and ended up becoming atheists but still raved about how much they enjoyed being a student there. I've never encountered that from alumni of other local Christian colleges. 

Edited January 21, 2022 by Zella

[Ljohnson1987]

I'd love for the season where Josiah courted Marjorie to be leaked. 

[Zella]

28 minutes ago, mynextmistake said:

I think this assumes all colleges are intellectually rigorous to some degree, though, which hasn’t been my experience with the university system in the United States. I certainly think any of the Duggar children would have been hard-pressed to succeed at an academically challenging college or university, but I think there are colleges that virtually any of them could have made it through. They might even have done better than we would expect. I once did some grading for a freshman comp class at a large state university with a decent reputation, and I was shocked by the poor quality of the work that was awarded passing grades. Going solely by their social media posts, many of the adult Duggars write quite a bit better than those students did, and most of them ended up passing the class. 

I've worked with student writers at two colleges/universities, with various degrees of academic standards. I stand by my assessment of the Duggars as not being ready for primetime. Writing ability is the least of the reasons why I think college-level work would get them, though I don't think any of them are good writers. The lack of ability or willingness to study, think critically, and schedule their time would be far more damning, IMO. A lot of more gifted students than the Duggars flunk out of mediocre colleges. 

Edited to add: Also in my experience, small samples of writing like you see on social media really are deceptive about academic writing ability. I had a lot of students in comp classes who could write beautiful timed in-class exercises. They knew how to do timed writing because of testing in school and the shortcuts to craft a decently structured response. If you only read those, you'd assume they'd make good grades on essays. Their actual essays were shit, though, because asking them to really think about an issue, dig into it, support their arguments, and use sources were subpar. Setting aside grammar concerns and quality of prose, I really don't think any of the Duggars could write a competent 3-page essay in which they intelligently argued a point and supported their argument effectively. 

Edited January 23, 2022 by Zella

[MargeGunderson]

I suspect that the Duggar children were not taught critical thinking or analysis, which would be an issue in college for sure. At some point in college only being able to parrot someone else’s ideas or words is not going to cut it. 

[BigBingerBro]

They also probably never learned time management either.  Juggling muliple assignments with different due dates.  The pressure of pulling an all-nighter to study for and important exam.  Working to get their GPA up, etc.  If the Duggar Empire implodes, they all have zero chance.

[Minivanessa]

1 minute ago, BigBingerBro said:

They also probably never learned time management either.  Juggling muliple assignments with different due dates.  The pressure of pulling an all-nighter to study for and important exam.  Working to get their GPA up, etc.  If the Duggar Empire implodes, they all have zero chance.

Jinger will be okay, unless the MacArthur empire implodes or Jeremee gets expelled from it. Joy and Austin, and Jill and Derick, will be okay.

If Justin sticks close to the Spiveys, he probably will be okay too. I don't know much about Pa Spivey, but if he's built a successful business doing construction, vs. the JB type of wheeling and dealing, Justin could learn a lot from him. (Assuming Justin doesn't have the typical Duggarling arrogance that they already know it all and are so much better than everybody else. Big assumption.) 

I was going to joke about hitting the drive thru lane at a fast food joint in NW Arkansas, and hearing a Duggar saying through the speaker, "do you want fries with that?"  But dangit, there's absolutely nothing wrong or shameful about a job in food service. It's a helluva lot less skeevy than putting your children on a reality TV show, or making bank off their photos and so-called #sayings on social media. 

I don't know what the future holds for the Duggars. IMO, a respectable job slinging burgers at Wendy's would be a big effing step UP in the world for many of them. 

[ozziemom]

So are y’all saying that memorizing Bible verses is not a useful skill for college? How about copying out pages of the writing of Calvin or KJV Bible passages?What about spouting hymns? No? 

[Ljohnson1987]

I wonder if Siah and Lauren will even announce the birth of the 'Alleged' baby. They definitely need all the good things they can get. Especially after Josh gets sentenced. 

[Snow Fairy]

Duggar family will probably change the number of grandchildren

[Westiepeach]

See, I would be thrilled to hear a Duggar, any Duggar, asking me if I want fries with my burger. That would mean they are learning a skill; practicing and adhering to time management; obeying orders from a superior; and earning an honest paycheck.

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

I wonder if Siah and Lauren will even announce the birth of the 'Alleged' baby. They definitely need all the good things they can get. Especially after Josh gets sentenced. 

We can call him/her Conjecture. They're doing an alphabet theme. 😁

[Minivanessa]

1 hour ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

I wonder if Siah and Lauren will even announce the birth of the 'Alleged' baby. They definitely need all the good things they can get. Especially after Josh gets sentenced. 

But what if they have decided to NOT hold on to their Z list celebrity status with a death grip, and instead to live their lives without chronicling it publicly on social media and otherwise? In that case, I don't see that a public announcement would give them any "good things" - except some clickbait articles online that mention Josh. They may have already decided that ain't nobody got time for that. If so, good for them.

They don't owe the public, including us snarkers, a damned thing. He had no choice in his being put on a TV show when he was a little kid, I don't think she has a robust enough personality to deal with the downsides of being a public figure, and if they want to drop off the publicity radar, more power to them. 

[CalicoKitty]

47 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

But what if they have decided to NOT hold on to their Z list celebrity status with a death grip, and instead to live their lives without chronicling it publicly on social media and otherwise? In that case, I don't see that a public announcement would give them any "good things" - except some clickbait articles online that mention Josh. They may have already decided that ain't nobody got time for that. If so, good for them.

They don't owe the public, including us snarkers, a damned thing. He had no choice in his being put on a TV show when he was a little kid, I don't think she has a robust enough personality to deal with the downsides of being a public figure, and if they want to drop off the publicity radar, more power to them. 

And any article about any Duggar will forever include mentioning the Felon and his plight.  He has done a lot of permanent damage to every member of his family.

[mythoughtis]

Back to the college discussion.  Josiah did actually go to college…. For about two weeks.  Back when Jill had met and married the Accountant.   He decided it wasn’t his thing.

my guess is that showing up, reading college textbooks, getting a syllabus that showed test dates that weren’t optional was just too much for him.  Along with women in skimpy ( to him) clothing who expected  a guy to actually talk to them without an introduction by dad or an chaperone. 

Edited January 23, 2022 by mythoughtis

[Westiepeach]

33 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

Back to the college discussion.  Josiah did actually go to college…. For about two weeks.  Back when Jill had met and married the Accountant.   He decided it wasn’t his thing.

my guess is that showing up, reading college textbooks, getting a syllabus that showed test dates that weren’t optional was just too much for him.  Along with women in skimpy ( to him) clothing who expected  a guy to actually talk to them without an introduction by dad or an chaperone. 

I did not know that Siah (said in a breathy voice) actually attempted college. News to me!

[madpsych78]

Is this CollegeMinus or something else?

[emmawoodhouse]

Where did Si attempt to matriculate? I've never heard of this.

[mythoughtis]

I don’t know if he bothered  to declare a major, or fill out the matriculation form. He just took a course  I think. I can’t remember whether he said it in a talking head interview or if someone got a screenshot of his first social media account.  But I do remember it because I was surprised that he even attempted it. He said it wasn’t his thing.    He was one of the siblings that did actually get a high school diploma rather than a GED 

[GeeGolly]

2 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

I don’t know if he bothered  to declare a major, or fill out the matriculation form. He just took a course  I think. I can’t remember whether he said it in a talking head interview or if someone got a screenshot of his first social media account.  But I do remember it because I was surprised that he even attempted it. He said it wasn’t his thing.    He was one of the siblings that did actually get a high school diploma rather than a GED 

How did he get a high school diploma? I thought GEDs were homeschoolers only alternative to their homeschool diploma.

[emmawoodhouse]

He probably attempted College Minus. The Duggars were advertising it around that time, but AFAIK, only Jill succeeded in some coursework. 

[mythoughtis]

14 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

He probably attempted College Minus. The Duggars were advertising it around that time, but AFAIK, only Jill succeeded in some coursework. 

That’s  possible.    You know they like to puff themselves up as doing more than what they really do 

[Minivanessa]

32 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

How did he get a high school diploma? I thought GEDs were homeschoolers only alternative to their homeschool diploma.

I have the same question. AFAIK the older Duggar kids got GEDs, and then the GED test got more difficult to pass. After that, we started seeing the Duggs posting photos of their kids who "graduated" from "Duggar Academy." Complete with obviously home-printed "diplomas."  That's not a high school diploma. 

Edited January 24, 2022 by Jeeves

[ginger90]

A homeschool diploma is considered a valid diploma, even though the quality of education the Duggars received is debatable.

Edited January 24, 2022 by ginger90

[Zella]

Arkansas also eventually started charging a fee for taking the GED. It's pretty small, but I can see the cost and the difficulty level increasing making it a big no. 

[GeeGolly]

28 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

A homeschool diploma is considered a valid diploma, even though the quality of education the Duggars received is debatable.

Right, but Josiah either got a homeschool diploma or a GED. As far as I know the only way to get a high school diploma is to attend high school.

[ginger90]

Just now, GeeGolly said:

Right, but Josiah either got a homeschool diploma or a GED. As far as I know the only way to get a high school diploma is to attend high school.

Agreed, I think there’s a bit of a mixup.

[Nysha]

I think the younger kids got a Duggar Academy diploma that isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Edited January 24, 2022 by Nysha

[Cinnabon]

7 hours ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

I wonder if Siah and Lauren will even announce the birth of the 'Alleged' baby. They definitely need all the good things they can get. Especially after Josh gets sentenced. 

I hope they don’t. although some big mouth in the cult will probably tell people despite any of their wishes. 

[GeeGolly]

I remember Josiah announcing he was going to do some type of apprenticeship with Marjorie's dad, maybe graphic design, and then possibly attend school if he found he wanted to stick with it. But I believe they broke up before anything got off the ground.

[MsJamieDornan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5z651W3Uw

This was posted Jan. 19 about Lauren.

[emmawoodhouse]

29 minutes ago, MsJamieDornan said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5z651W3Uw

This was posted Jan. 19 about Lauren.

She knows as much as we do, which is merely speculation. 

[MsJamieDornan]

50 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

She knows as much as we do, which is merely speculation. 

I think she has a better guess at Lauren's due date.

[emmawoodhouse]

Just now, MsJamieDornan said:

I think she has a better guess at Lauren's due date.

In Katey's gender reveal, held last fall, she appeared to be showing while Katey didn't. She also appeared to have a noticable bump when she was a bridesmaid at the Reber/Keller wedding in October/November (before Smuggar's trial). For reference, Katey is due in April. 

That means Lauren is right on top of her due date, or she already had this baby. The You Tuber gave her a few more months in January, so I think she was off.

[Bayarea4]

If it's a boy, and if Josiah and Lauren continue the alphabetical theme, I wonder what C name they will pick?

Caleb is out for obvious reasons.

 

[GeeGolly]

7 minutes ago, Bayarea4 said:

If it's a boy, and if Josiah and Lauren continue the alphabetical theme, I wonder what C name they will pick?

Caleb is out for obvious reasons.

 

Caden, Cody, Cole?

[graybrown bird]

Cash.

[YupItsMe]

CHRISTopher…

[iwantcookies]

Cashton 

Clayton

Cosiah

Cooper

Colton 

[Nysha]

35 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

Cashton 

Clayton

Cosiah

Cooper

Colton 

My vote is for Cosiah!

[GeeGolly]

2 hours ago, Nysha said:

My vote is for Cosiah!

Cosiah Milagro

[beckie]

I would love it if they named him Curmudgeon. 

[emmawoodhouse]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Cosiah Milagro

They already used Milagro. It goes to the first born daughter in Lauren's lineage.

[Heathen]

On 1/23/2022 at 8:00 PM, GeeGolly said:

Right, but Josiah either got a homeschool diploma or a GED. As far as I know the only way to get a high school diploma is to attend high school.

Some school districts will issue a generic high school diploma (i.e., one without a specific school's name on it) if the student completes all high school work and certain conditions are met. I know a few people who have such a diploma. It's possible that is what Josiah did. 

[Zella]

19 hours ago, beckie said:

I would love it if they named him Curmudgeon. 

Sounds like Pilgrim's Progress name. Maybe Jessa will be inspired by Spurgeon's latest reading for her next kid if Josiah and Lauren don't jump on this one. LOL

[xwordfanatik]

Watch jerk face JereME name a future son Cade, for his bromance pal.

[Zella]

5 hours ago, xwordfanatik said:

Watch jerk face JereME name a future son Cade, for his bromance pal.

I think Jeremy still likes himself way more than he likes Cade. That kid will totally be Jeremy Jr. Or if he wants maximum ass-kissing he'll go for John MacArthur Vuolo. 

Edited March 13, 2022 by Zella