S22.E12: After the Final Rose

[JudyObscure]

9 hours ago, IDreamofJoaquin said:

What was that proposal about?  Why did it need to be done there? 

I doubt if Neil Lane will give the couple a ring unless the proposal is televised.  They, naturally, expect a little advertisement for their money. So that 30 second proposal was worth about $80,000 in diamonds.  They may also have hoped that an on air proposal would soften a few hearts, not guessing the level of unswerving  hatred directed at them for their unspeakable, horrific crimes.

[alexa]

9 hours ago, violet and green said:

I think I read he'd already proposed privately - but to get the Neil Lane ring they needed to do it again on the show. It was also a way of publicly honoring Lauren, after the mess made by his earlier decisions, etc. So quite sweet, I thought.

Every time I read this and see " a way of publicly honoring Lauren ".... I am just not sure what I want to say but it sounds odd to me.  I get what you are saying, but it is not honoring Lauren to be proposed to in that environment.  Anyone that has had a proper proposal knows what made it right was happening at the right time and the right place, and in a way that makes you feel special.  Not in a place that everyone dislikes your new fiance, and isn't all that supportive of you either quite yet.

I watched the Kimmel clip, and I loved how he said to Arie...kind of like why would you propose so soon?  What is the rush?  Why can't you take things slow.  And it turns out it is really all about Lauren rushing things from what I could tell...she admitted they had already started planning the wedding.  She is not the brightest bulb.  Rushing to the altar does not mean it will work out.  I just can't imagine that suddenly Arie is going to be a devoted and loving husband after what we have seen so far...

Edited March 8, 2018 by alexa

[DEL901]

With all the evidence of Arie being both fickle and a player, I don't blame Lauren for rushing to the altar before he changes his mind.

 

BTW, I think the most dramatic bachelor wedding ever would be Lauren running out at the altar... with Ross!

[sasha206]

43 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

I doubt if Neil Lane will give the couple a ring unless the proposal is televised.  They, naturally, expect a little advertisement for their money. So that 30 second proposal was worth about $80,000 in diamonds.  They may also have hoped that an on air proposal would soften a few hearts, not guessing the level of unswerving  hatred directed at them for their unspeakable, horrific crimes.

I'm giggling over "unspeakable horrific crimes."  Amen, sista.  It's hard for me to get the slightest bit worked up over how this all played out.   I think what happened to Becca is a 10000 times less humiliating that how she (and the other contestants) humiliate themselves on this show by acting breathlessly in love with a man they barely know.  If they are actually in love, they need pyschological help to determine HOW and WHY they feel lthey are in love with a man who is dating mulitple women at once and you've had maybe 1 or 2 dates with.  If they aren't actually in love, they need help to figure out why fame is more important to them than their pride.  Same goes for any of the  Bachelors.

[fib]

1 hour ago, alexa said:

 And it turns out it is really all about Lauren rushing things from what I could tell...she admitted they had already started planning the wedding.  She is not the brightest bulb.  Rushing to the altar does not mean it will work out.  

I agree.  I think they will make it to the altar.  I think arie  will be continue to be intrigued while she is busy and distracted from him with wedding planning, and ehile their parents are propping thibgs along.   But i think they last like... months after that (maybe a little longer if she gets pregnant) Either Arie realizes there is no chase and she is super boring and withdraws from her (how would you notice?) or something goes wrong and they cant deal. Coping skills dont seem like their strong suit. There is something about her running home to mom and dad from Dallas after the failed proposal that just has me going... hmmm?  

[Former Nun]

1 hour ago, fib said:

Either Arie realizes there is no chase and she is super boring

Is Arie bright enough to realize she's "super boring"?

2 hours ago, DEL901 said:

With all the evidence of Arie being both fickle and a player, I don't blame Lauren for rushing to the altar before he changes his mind.

In my mind, the only reason for "rushing to the altar before he changes his mind," is a FABULOUS pre-nup.

[sasha206]

33 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

Is Arie bright enough to realize she's "super boring"?

In my mind, the only reason for "rushing to the altar before he changes his mind," is a FABULOUS pre-nup.

I think they'll rush to the altar to capitalize on their infamy.  No question in my mind that these two dolts are going to try to cash in on this as much as possible.  Arie's "real estate career" isn't going to pay the bills and while Lauren apparently tried to model, she isn't nearly good looking nor charistmatic enough to have a career in an entertainment industry that isn't porn.

[JenE4]

13 hours ago, IDreamofJoaquin said:

My 20-month-old was telling Arie "Bye bye!!"  when he wouldn't leave.  

Hahaha! That’s awesome! Even a BABY had more empathy and capacity for perceiving and respecting another’s emotions! Too bad you didn’t get it on video. Your baby could have been a viral sensation as the youngest citizen of Bachelor Nation weighing in on the debacle.

[Former Nun]

1 minute ago, sasha206 said:

I think they'll rush to the altar to capitalize on their infamy.

Maybe The Despicable Chris Harrison can produce a special, "Arie and Lauren: The Aftermath."

[Cornhusker12]

Arie and Lauren within the next two weeks:

[sasha206]

Just now, huskerj12 said:

Arie and Lauren within the next two weeks:

I loved that scene!  They both had a look on their face like, "What now?"  "What did we just do?" 

[Boofish]

I blame Lauren Conrad - she turned basic and boring into an empire. 

I want Lauren and Arie to live happily ever after. I also want them to know that no one gives a f'k about their lives.

[saber5055]

47 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

In my mind, the only reason for "rushing to the altar before he changes his mind," is a FABULOUS pre-nup.

Yes. If she is smart enough to get one.

Catrice2, your entire post ROCKED. Thank you.

[teddy-bear]

After reading a ton of articles and all of the posts here about the two part finale, and having several discussions with my viewing partners (my two daughters), I have a couple of theories of how in "Arie's world" he thought handling it this way was the way to go.  My first theory is that he wanted the cameras there so that if Becca went batsh*t crazy when he told her he was breaking up with her, he thought that the audience would be oh so sympathetic to him because she was so unbalanced and unstable - in his mind, a win for him.  Theory two is that with the cameras there, she might just not make a scene - a perennial favorite way for a guy to break up with someone.....do it in public so the victim of the breakup won't make a scene and then he doesn't have to deal with the hurt he caused, tears etc. - in his mind a win for him.  Theory three is that with the cameras filming, he can show bachelor nation just how 'caring' he is by staying and repeatedly asking her if she's okay and could they talk....this tactic in his mind absolves him of being accused of not caring and being disrespectful. I think that for him, in his mind, any of these theories would fit the hero image his narcissist self thinks he is - in his mind a win for him.  The bottom line is that he wanted to come out of this unblemished and actually was convinced that once the tv audience saw his "honesty, sincerity, caring, thoughtful, respecting" persona he thought he portrayed in the breakup video they'd be positively cheering him on at the AFTR and in the press the following day.

What he didn't count on was the audience seeing through all of these tactics, and instead seeing him for what he really is....someone who is so completely devoid of the concept of what is good, decent, NORMAL behaviour. Someone who has zero empathy for others. Someone who is so cowardly he doesn't deal with situations like an actual adult. Someone who isn't truthful and respectful of his fiance and someone who will always twist conversations and re-write history to benefit the persona he thinks has. His timeline story changed with every telling of it. First he says Becca knew he had unresolved issues about Lauren - specifically that he felt guilt about how he hurt her and he needed closure - Becca being the supportive fiance, tells him that she understands and is alright with him dealing with those emotions by speaking to Lauren. After speaking to Lauren and deciding that he now wants to go with "door number 2", he then changes that story to "Becca knew I felt guilty and still had feelings for and still loved Lauren" (ie: she knew exactly how I was feeling so she can't be surprised by my change of heart - indeed she has no right to be surprised by my change of heart.) He also almost managed to fudge the timeline - making it look like he did the break-up BEFORE he knew how Lauren felt about having him back. Unfortunately for him, he couldn't keep that story straight either, and in actual fact he and Lauren had more than one conversation before the in person meeting - as was pointed out by the other contestants. This leads to the most idiotic, baffling thing he said - "I risked it all for Lauren".  Risked what exactly....according to him, proposing to Becca was a huge mistake, he's 1000% over Becca, he only had half a foot in the relationship with Becca....and on and on ad nauseam. So what exactly is he saying here....he risked giving up a relationship that was a mistake, that he was over with/didn't want on the off chance Lauren would take him back.....does that mean if Lauren told him to sling his hook, he'd trot back to Becca and continue looking at houses and playing the happy fiance?  How noble of him!

I can't even begin to figure out what is in Lauren's head, or why she has so little self respect that she would be alright with all this and why on earth she would think he wouldn't do this to her once another shiny new toy rolls on by. The only thing that I can come up with is that she truly is a match made in heaven.....two equally narcissist people, unconcerned with how their actions impact other people, zero empathy, devoid of thoughtfulness/sympathy/caring/integrity/honesty/sincerity - heck devoid of anything good and decent and normal. The only thing that matters to the two of them is what they want - andto hell with how that may affect anyone else. This was best illustrated in the monumentally bad taste in the proposal/acceptance in part 2 of the finale with Becca just offstage. This completely reeked of Lauren wanting to exact her pound of flesh/make Arie pay for the "humiliation" of being runner up in Peru - give her back the "moment in the spotlight aka on tv" that she craved, and it also had the bonus prize of Lauren thinking she was humiliating Becca as well.

Well I think Becca is a complete winner in all this mess. She showed herself to be a lovely, intelligent, classy, articulate lady, beautiful inside and out. She deserves so much better than that sorry excuse for a man, and will have the opportunity to see that over and over again while she's the Bachelorette. As for the other two, run run as fast as you can (out of the country and off social media) so you can avoid facing up to how repugnant the viewers think you are. Avoid actually watching the finale/AFTR so you don't have to see how pathetic and disgusting your behaviour was. That way you can stay in your little fantasy world that you both are the embodiment of true love between a hero and heroine. Please just do us all a favor and stay away - a futile wish on my part, because them being who and what they are, won't pass up the opportunity of a televised wedding and the lots and lots of money that comes with it.

[saber5055]

1 hour ago, teddy-bear said:

I can't even begin to figure out what is in Lauren's head,

She got to be on Kimmel's show, something that will never happen to me in my lifetime, and how many other talk shows. Plus magazine covers. *coughfamewhorecoughInstagram money* It's pretty simple, really. (pun intended!)

[teddy-bear]

Very true saber5055....I forgot to include the extra "Grand Prize Package" (the talk show circuit) the pair of them receive for playing the sick little game the two of them came up with. And of course there's the free massive big Neil Lane ring bling bonus she got for getting engaged before this season wrapped.

[yorklee2]

2 hours ago, teddy-bear said:

After reading a ton of articles and all of the posts here about the two part finale, and having several discussions with my viewing partners (my two daughters), I have a couple of theories of how in "Arie's world" he thought handling it this way was the way to go.  My first theory is that he wanted the cameras there so that if Becca went batsh*t crazy when he told her he was breaking up with her, he thought that the audience would be oh so sympathetic to him because she was so unbalanced and unstable - in his mind, a win for him.  Theory two is that with the cameras there, she might just not make a scene - a perennial favorite way for a guy to break up with someone.....do it in public so the victim of the breakup won't make a scene and then he doesn't have to deal with the hurt he caused, tears etc. - in his mind a win for him.  Theory three is that with the cameras filming, he can show bachelor nation just how 'caring' he is by staying and repeatedly asking her if she's okay and could they talk....this tactic in his mind absolves him of being accused of not caring and being disrespectful. I think that for him, in his mind, any of these theories would fit the hero image his narcissist self thinks he is - in his mind a win for him.  The bottom line is that he wanted to come out of this unblemished and actually was convinced that once the tv audience saw his "honesty, sincerity, caring, thoughtful, respecting" persona he thought he portrayed in the breakup video they'd be positively cheering him on at the AFTR and in the press the following day.

What he didn't count on was the audience seeing through all of these tactics, and instead seeing him for what he really is....someone who is so completely devoid of the concept of what is good, decent, NORMAL behaviour. Someone who has zero empathy for others. Someone who is so cowardly he doesn't deal with situations like an actual adult. Someone who isn't truthful and respectful of his fiance and someone who will always twist conversations and re-write history to benefit the persona he thinks has. His timeline story changed with every telling of it. First he says Becca knew he had unresolved issues about Lauren - specifically that he felt guilt about how he hurt her and he needed closure - Becca being the supportive fiance, tells him that she understands and is alright with him dealing with those emotions by speaking to Lauren. After speaking to Lauren and deciding that he now wants to go with "door number 2", he then changes that story to "Becca knew I felt guilty and still had feelings for and still loved Lauren" (ie: she knew exactly how I was feeling so she can't be surprised by my change of heart - indeed she has no right to be surprised by my change of heart.) He also almost managed to fudge the timeline - making it look like he did the break-up BEFORE he knew how Lauren felt about having him back. Unfortunately for him, he couldn't keep that story straight either, and in actual fact he and Lauren had more than one conversation before the in person meeting - as was pointed out by the other contestants. This leads to the most idiotic, baffling thing he said - "I risked it all for Lauren".  Risked what exactly....according to him, proposing to Becca was a huge mistake, he's 1000% over Becca, he only had half a foot in the relationship with Becca....and on and on ad nauseam. So what exactly is he saying here....he risked giving up a relationship that was a mistake, that he was over with/didn't want on the off chance Lauren would take him back.....does that mean if Lauren told him to sling his hook, he'd trot back to Becca and continue looking at houses and playing the happy fiance?  How noble of him!

I can't even begin to figure out what is in Lauren's head, or why she has so little self respect that she would be alright with all this and why on earth she would think he wouldn't do this to her once another shiny new toy rolls on by. The only thing that I can come up with is that she truly is a match made in heaven.....two equally narcissist people, unconcerned with how their actions impact other people, zero empathy, devoid of thoughtfulness/sympathy/caring/integrity/honesty/sincerity - heck devoid of anything good and decent and normal. The only thing that matters to the two of them is what they want - andto hell with how that may affect anyone else. This was best illustrated in the monumentally bad taste in the proposal/acceptance in part 2 of the finale with Becca just offstage. This completely reeked of Lauren wanting to exact her pound of flesh/make Arie pay for the "humiliation" of being runner up in Peru - give her back the "moment in the spotlight aka on tv" that she craved, and it also had the bonus prize of Lauren thinking she was humiliating Becca as well.

Well I think Becca is a complete winner in all this mess. She showed herself to be a lovely, intelligent, classy, articulate lady, beautiful inside and out. She deserves so much better than that sorry excuse for a man, and will have the opportunity to see that over and over again while she's the Bachelorette. As for the other two, run run as fast as you can (out of the country and off social media) so you can avoid facing up to how repugnant the viewers think you are. Avoid actually watching the finale/AFTR so you don't have to see how pathetic and disgusting your behaviour was. That way you can stay in your little fantasy world that you both are the embodiment of true love between a hero and heroine. Please just do us all a favor and stay away - a futile wish on my part, because them being who and what they are, won't pass up the opportunity of a televised wedding and the lots and lots of money that comes with it.

Pretty much my thoughts. I have a feeling though that these two will stay together longer than they would have if he had just picked Lauren in the beginning simply to try and prove the skeptics wrong. If they actually make it to the altar. Which may be fairly good odds since Lauren is anxious to get this wrapped up. And (for all the reasons you listed above) they really are a good match. Two self centered, delusional dim people.

How Lauren could think she got such a prize is beyond me though. A man who used an ex girlfriend's miscarriage to garner sympathy on TV by blatantly lying about how it happened and revealing something that was so personally devastating to her. Just so many things about this man that are despicable.

Something else I thought was interesting was that Seinne was on Ashley and Ben's podcast and said she thought that if had it been reversed and Arie had chosen Lauren first and let Becca go then she was sure he would have done the same thing. He would have then been wondering about and wanting Becca back. Everyone wanted to say Bekah M was just being immature to release the messages Arie sent her and discussing her thoughts on his actions but now we have the level headed intelligent Seinne saying the same. 

I'm just glad this season's over. It's been long, boring and stressful. Not to mention it's left a really bad taste in my mouth.

Edited March 8, 2018 by yorklee2

[Boofish]

52 minutes ago, yorklee2 said:

Pretty much my thoughts. I have a feeling though that these two will stay together longer than they would have if he had just picked Lauren in the beginning simply to try and prove the skeptics wrong. If they actually make it to the altar. Which may be fairly good odds since Lauren is anxious to get this wrapped up. And (for all the reasons you listed above) they really are a good match. Two self centered, delusional dim people.

How Lauren could think she got such a prize is beyond me though. A man who used an ex girlfriend's miscarriage to garner sympathy on TV by blatantly lying about how it happened and revealing something that was so personally devastating to her. Just so many things about this man that are despicable.

Something else I thought was interesting was that Seinne was on Ashley and Ben's podcast and said she thought that if had it been reversed and Arie had chosen Lauren first and let Becca go then she was sure he would have done the same thing. He would have then been wondering about and wanting Becca back. Everyone wanted to say Bekah M was just being immature to release the messages Arie sent her and discussing her thoughts on his actions but now we have the level headed intelligent Seinne saying the same. 

I'm just glad this season's over. It's been long, boring and stressful. Not to mention it's left a really bad taste in my mouth.

 

Arie should declare a moratorium on calling anyone's actions immature. 

Edited March 8, 2018 by Boofish

[teddy-bear]

26 minutes ago, yorklee2 said:

Pretty much my thoughts. I have a feeling though that these two will stay together longer than they would have if he had just picked Lauren in the beginning simply to try and prove the skeptics wrong. If they actually make it to the altar. Which may be fairly good odds since Lauren is anxious to get this wrapped up. And (for all the reasons you listed above) they really are a good match. Two self centered, delusional dim people.

How Lauren could think she got such a prize is beyond me though. A man who used an ex girlfriend's miscarriage to garner sympathy on TV by blatantly lying about how it happened and revealing something that was so personally devastating to her. Just so many things about this man that are despicable.

Something else I thought was interesting was that Seinne was on Ashley and Ben's podcast and said she thought that if had it been reversed and Arie had chosen Lauren first and let Becca go then she was sure he would have done the same thing. He would have then been wondering about and wanting Becca back. Everyone wanted to say Bekah M was just being immature to release the messages Arie sent her and discussing her thoughts on his actions but now we have the level headed intelligent Seinne saying the same. 

I'm just glad this season's over. It's been long, boring and stressful. Not to mention it's left a really bad taste in my mouth.

I also completely agree with what Seinne said on Ashley and Ben's podcast, and it was one of the first things my daughter's and I thought when the whole thing started falling apart. He seems to be the kind of person that always wants what he doesn't have at the time. If he had picked Lauren first, he would have been mooning after Becca and sliding into her DM's....God help us all, we might have then had Lauren as the Bachelorette.

[Former Nun]

GREAT analyzations teddy-bear and yorklee2.   For me the only things missing are the machinations of that snake, The Despicable Chris-s-s-s-s-s Harrison.  Arie is probably under contract and cannot explain just how much Chris-s-s-s-s led him into many of his actions and conversations.   I did enjoy the bewildered look on Arie's face...often.

[yorklee2]

4 minutes ago, teddy-bear said:

I also completely agree with what Seinne said on Ashley and Ben's podcast, and it was one of the first things my daughter's and I thought when the whole thing started falling apart. He seems to be the kind of person that always wants what he doesn't have at the time. If he had picked Lauren first, he would have been mooning after Becca and sliding into her DM's....God help us all, we might have then had Lauren as the Bachelorette.

That would have been excruciating. And they think Becca is boring!?!?

[tpplay]

With regard to the men we met tonight (sort of), compared to Arie, every one of them (except maybe Blake, although he gets 100 extra points for bringing Bradley along) is a catch.

I think (and not just because of the finale) that Arie is really CREEPY from the way he looks, the way he kisses, the way he talks without saying anything.  All of it.

Becca - may the force be with you.

[jackjill89]

17 hours ago, yorklee2 said:

Isn't this the girl who committed suicide? She was stunning! What would make a beautiful woman like this take her own life? How tragic.

Suicide is tragic no matter what the person looks like. Beauty has nothing to do with someone's mental health. She obviously had some serious issues. 

[yorklee2]

4 hours ago, jackjill89 said:

Suicide is tragic no matter what the person looks like. Beauty has nothing to do with someone's mental health. She obviously had some serious issues. 

Of course it is that's a given. I see nothing in my post that suggests otherwise. And I realize that mental disease doesn't discriminate. I was mere!y shocked that a beautiful young woman who you would think had everything to live for would feel the need to take her life. No different than if it was a average pretty woman or even not very attractive. Did I really need to specify that? It was actually more musing than a literal question.

Edited March 9, 2018 by yorklee2

[TiredMe]

As someone who is painfully unhip, I’m more upset that this season taught me the phrase” sliding in their DMs”. I keep trying to use it.  Yea boss, I’ll get that data, just let me slide into some DMs... or with class at my gym, those squats are harder than sliding into some DMs.... hmmm doesn’t seem like I have it quite right....

[lightbeam]

Lauren definitely got a nose job (my catty comment for the evening):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5475009/Bachelor-winner-Lauren-26-posed-risque-modelling-shots.html

[nicgwatchingtv]

He was an ass and treated Becca like shit and still seems to want to sell everyone on the idea that he was as respectful as possible. But whatever. I don't see him reappearing on my screen again and 

I don’t blame Lauren for taking Asshat back if she thinks she loves him, even after the initial breakup (and picking of Becca) as I think these situations are constructed to be highly unusual and emotional, but I think that she’s a fool for forgetting how emotion-less his dismissal of her was when he’d initially picked Becca and for not caring about how he treated Becca during his breakup with her. Especially when she supposedly ended an engagement because her fiancé became ‘mean’. And Arie wasn’t just mean, he was pretty vicious in his attitude towards and words about Becca. It might have been a ‘polite viciousness’ but that just means he’s sneakier about his nastiness.

I don’t blame Becca for being over it and I don’t blame her for taking the Bachelorette gig. She’s taking this crappy, awful, dumped-all-over-her situation and at least trying to grab control of the situation, to make it hers, to turn this embarrassment into a rare opportunity and to show up her now-exfiance. I think that’s all perfectly understandable and even great. Good for her. Go date hot guys, look fantastic, see some sites, make some money and let her heartbreak have happened ‘for a reason’.

But after this filmed-and-milked dumping and after that incident with her ex-ex showing up in Peru (her sister tweeted some scathing commentary on that) , I don’t know how she can trust TPTB. I kinda always feel that way though and 99% of the contestants seem to get over their anger at production, so what do I knows? Even Olivia says she’d do a show with them again. And I think Kaitlyn would too. And both those women felt raked over the coals and betrayed for quite some time. 

I totally agree with everyone who's said that he would have done a switch on whichever girl he picked. It's been his pattern for years, he obviously didn't stop it here.

2 hours ago, lightbeam said:

Lauren definitely got a nose job (my catty comment for the evening):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5475009/Bachelor-winner-Lauren-26-posed-risque-modelling-shots.html

Wow, and I always thought she'd be prettier if she had a nose job because I think the one she has now is kinda weird. 

Edited March 9, 2018 by nicgwatchingtv

[slowpoked]

5 hours ago, teddy-bear said:

I also completely agree with what Seinne said on Ashley and Ben's podcast, and it was one of the first things my daughter's and I thought when the whole thing started falling apart. He seems to be the kind of person that always wants what he doesn't have at the time. If he had picked Lauren first, he would have been mooning after Becca and sliding into her DM's....God help us all, we might have then had Lauren as the Bachelorette.

The greatest tragedy of them all.

You all are very astute. I agree with you that if he had picked Lauren first he would be off wondering what if it was Becca instead. And I were Lauren, even if I am initially thrilled that Arie came back to me, some part in the back of my head will wonder - "how will I ever know that I will really be the final one? If he changed his mind on Becca, he can change his mind about me..." I don't think I'll ever get that thought out of my head unless Arie will give me some kind of a more formal commitment - and maybe that's why they will be rushing to get married. But of course, it's not like marriage has ever ended every wandering eye out there. So good luck to her. 

[Mu Shu]

On 3/7/2018 at 10:52 AM, Stinamaia said:

Well, in a few weeks he won’t be wearing sweaters in Phoenix/Scottsdale.

Planning their wedding already. I wonder if multiple engaged Lauren is more excited about weddings than she is relationships.  

Loved Chris Harrison saying that everyone came out ahead.  

Oh , he will be wearing sweaters.  His sciatica and lumbago will kick in.  Next thing we know, he will be wearing Sansabelts pulled up to his concave chest.

[PreBabylonia]

On 07/03/2018 at 4:14 PM, laila said:

Hi all, new to the forum. I had to get this off my chest as this whole situation is really bothering me! I know its just T.V., but I have dated a narcissist before and I could tell right away Arie is one. I think Krystal realized it pretty early as well. He lacks empathy, he doesn't care how anyone feels-it is about power to him, and he gains power by seeing that his manipulative tactics work on the women. I would seriously advise any woman that dealt with him to read up on this topic and they will notice the signs! These people don't change...and Lauren is in for a lot of pain. This is actually pretty serious to me, other than he is just a "player". These are sick, very damaged individuals that abuse others. It can start with verbal or turn physical. Either way all the women involved need to hopefully come to be relieved that they escaped a sick person rather than be heartbroken.

Now that Lauren has already accepted his behavior, he views her as weak and knows he can get away with anything with her. Wonder why else he typically goes for younger women? Lauren being 25, she may not have had the life experience yet to understand how damaged he is. Notice how Krystal is 31, and understood it before any of the other girls. I just had to get this off my chest because these are actually toxic relationships and women should be warned about men like him! Also its funny how everyone thought Krystal was such a bad person when really she was the only one calling out his bullshit. 

Well, actually I think Krystal is a narcissist as well, possibly they are quicker to realize that quality in another. It's easy to forget how badly some of these people are when somebody that acts even worse (Arie) takes up more of our attention.

On 07/03/2018 at 7:05 PM, chocolatine said:

I'm curious what Chris Harrison construes as death threats. To me, it's only a death threat when the people who issue it know where to find me and have the capability of carrying it out. Like if someone came to my house or place of business with a gun and threatened to shoot me, that would be a death threat. Someone tweeting "bitch, die" at me is not a death threat, that's "just" cyberbullying, which, while not OK, is not nearly the same thing. I remember CH saying that Kaitlyn got death threats for sleeping with Nick, and later it turned out to just be cyberbullying as well.

I don't think cyberbullying is that harmless. It can be an actual physical threat or it can lead the victim to suicide.

On 07/03/2018 at 9:09 PM, Irlandesa said:

Who is to say people won't watch?  There's hate watching.  And snark watching.  Isn't that what The Bachelor franchise is all about? 

Oh God. It's bad enough going to a weddings of friends and family. I have no idea why anyone would want to watch a celebrity wedding (even if I really liked them), let alone a wedding of reality "stars" - especially ones I have no respect for, like Lauren and Arie. The snark entertainment factor would be negligible.

On 07/03/2018 at 9:10 PM, violet and green said:

You're joking... I accidentally deleted my laboriously collected multiquotes... Oh, well, random thoughts:

 

I am bummed that Boring Becca, who has attained bizarre saintly status on account of everyone who has ever been dumped by a guy projecting their feelings onto her, is going to be the Bachelorette. H

I feel ashamed of myself for buying the edit Lauren got as the full extent of their relationship/her personality - I believe she was punished by TPTB and edited in the most unattractive light as part of the campaign to try and create some buzz around this pretty boring season, and create a Bachelorette in Becca out of some fairly banal material.

 

On 07/03/2018 at 9:13 PM, saber5055 said:

Hey, we all watched five hours of this Final Rose nightmare, didn't we. That wedding would be The.Most.Dramatic.Wedding.EVAH plus would prove TB works in finding your true love. ABC would promote the heck out of it and it would "break the Internet" (TM Chris Harrison) plus probably be the highest rated show that night, depending on which night Fleiss tells them to get married. Yeah, people are gonna watch that wedding, for sure. Including most of us here. Because: Wrong reasons, you know.

I must be unique then, because I would rather appear on the show myself than watch any televised reality wedding, especially of these two. The colours would probably be beige and sandstone, with an accent of rust colour flowers.

22 hours ago, catrice2 said:

Missed some of you for your witty insight and helpfulness in getting me up to speed during the Bachelorlette. Of course I got the lowdown from a friend and co workers who know I lost my  Bachelor virginity by watching Rachel's s!!% show season.  The good news is that my friend actually did not watch much of this season. Rachel's season broke her love of the franchise, either that or she knew in advance that what I've read  about this season was true going in...that it was going to be boring and a waste of time.  I did not see an episode and I am happy to report that!  I  do confess to coming to the boards and looking for posts from some of my favorites a few times, but I had no idea what or who you were talking about or snarking on, so it was not as much fun. 

Since you can't get away from this...on any news show, the Washington Post, CNN, ...all my favorites, I would have to be under a rock not to know what happened.  I have the great fortune of not knowing who Arie, Emily or anyone else is.....but as for the ending as I understand it ....I said it in Rachel's season and I will say it again...I refuse to be upset, ashamed, etc. for someone who does not feel that way for themselves.  

I saw and read reports of the jilted party's response and she could not be more of a good little cheerleader for ABC so that she can get free clothes, a stylist and some trips abroad.  In no way do I think she was madly in love with this man, especially  from what I've read about him and by looking at him.  The only thing she was mourning was the loss of her talk show appearances, magazine covers and potential shilling opportunities...until they offered her the Bachelorettte and she perked right up because now they were back in play.   If she was by any chance sincere, my empathy/sympathy went out the window when she she agreed to "say all the right things" to make ABC and the boring man look better for their actions....or actually say them to make herself look so GREAT by being so mature and selfless, thereby gaining even more viewers for ABC for those sucked in by it and now want to invest in her "revenge" journey.   Her scripted responses to CH's rehearsed questions was nauseating.  Is she just a good little soldier for wanting to get back out there and try again on national television....with the same network that screwed you?  

I finally got a look at Seinne as my co worker kept telling me that  I should ( I guess since I am black she thought another black woman would make me watch the show) and I agree she is striking.  What I don't understand is why I keep hearing her name mentioned for Peter or Ben?  I saw 1 1/2 Ben episodes and he was Bland Ben and Peter.....why would she want to date the man that admitted he had never dated a black woman and couldn't commit ?  I doubt Ben had either so I am confused why if anyone thinks she is a catch they would want her to date anyone in this franchise, especially those two? 

I refuse to ever take Chris Harrison seriously.  Every time I look at him I think about how I wanted him to get fired from HGTV because he was so bad  and I am bitter he has now deluded himself that he has a talent and some importance. 

I really, really tried to understand how people see this as entertainment, but when I am exposed to the Lee drama and now this, I can't.   Racism and lying, cheating men are not "escapism" to me...that's the cartoons or superhero shows.   Those things are real life....and I don't have to watch reality television to experience that! 

So I heard they also trotted out two Black men for her to show that they are committed to diversity!!  Give me a break ABC...you have not earned that much good will because of the Good Doctor! 

Best of luck to all of you for your next season!   I'm generally annoyed with most shows these days, not just this one.  I just resent the media coverage it gets..and when it knocks my show off tv. 

I think that at the time of the filming, Becca was under the illusion that Arie was a much better man that he now appears. Once a man treats you that shitily, you realize that what you had never was love. Probably happens a lot on this show but it was very brutal to tell her that way and on camera. I initially was shocked too that she would want to go thru it again albeit from the position of control, but like other posters have said, she'll have travel, a whole new wardrobe and the chance to meet a potential love interest. The Bachelorettes have a much better track record than The Bachelor, so you never know. She's probably not treating it as a do or die decision, and after this season's feedback, she knows it's okay to not pick anyone, and still have a reality career if she wants one. I think more and more of us don't buy into the concept, so we don't take it that seriously, but from what I can imagine of being isolated all that time with only two men showing up over 30 days, it would be easy to believe your infatuation is really love. So I think she legitimately thought she loved him, and her pain and distress were real. I don't like to show my more intimate feelings either, especially if I was being broken up with, and I would go to enormous effort not to cry.

I don't know why you thought the Rachel season was so bad. Rachel had some great men, lots of fun to watch even if they weren't marriage material, and the black men were the best. Very goodlooking and lots of fun. She did find herself a fiance, and they are still together (to my surprize), and without Lee it would have been a pretty good season. I'd actually forgotten all about him until you mentioned it. I am one of the Peter fans. I didn't initially think he was good looking, but I really enjoyed their conversations, they actually had some substance to them. And I think he won me over with that dog date that she brought her own dog to, Peter actually spent time interacting with him. I think he'd make a wonderful dad one day. Or dog owner. Don't know anything really about Ben - is that the Higgins guy that cried more than Ashley on Bachelor Winter Olympics? He is a wimpy weaselly little guy. I don't think anyone deserves him. I have no idea why anyone thinks he looks attractive.

Chris Harrison hosted a HGTV show??! Which one?

I not only think Seinne is drop dead gorgeous, she is extremely accomplished and rivals Jacqueline in her intelligence. Makes her interesting in my book. I was rooting for her to become The Bachelorette before this wild ending. I am actually okay with Becca, I think she will have fun, whether she goes for a proposal at the end or not. I initially found her boring too (well, not as much as Lauren, but who could be as boring as her?) I definitely felt like we saw more of her personality at the end (especially in the little video clips of the two of them together before the breakup), so I wonder if she just babbled before out of nervousness. I think it would be very tough to act normally in front of cameras.

So if you don't really like this show at all and don't find it entertaining...there are lots of other great forums in here, with many of the same posters. I'd recommend that you find a show you actually like, and read the episode threads. It's got to be more fun than just reading about characters (or real people on reality shows) that you know nothing about. I'd find that as boring as watching Arie and Lauren get married!

[OnTime]

On ‎3‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 6:39 PM, Mabinogia said:

Don't forget HE REQUESTED that they film the break up.

 Arie can "request" all he wants, but the producers agreed to do it. I blame them more than Arie.

Yet, they were probably asking, "why didn't we think of that?"

[LuvMyShows]

I disagree that if he had picked Lauren initially, he'd have done a switcheroo like he did with Becca.  When he was on that date with Lauren, and had to leave the table after she proclaimed her feelings for him...those are some strong feelings!  His "I love you"s were always said differently to Lauren.  He allowed his head to win out over his heart by choosing Becca over Lauren, but had he followed his heart in the first place, I don't think he then would have switched to his head.  He looked really happy with Lauren on the Kimmel show...I definitely think it's largely due to her superficial resemblance to Emily, but if it works for them, then I wish them well!

[nutty1]

I’ve always used this comparison for the Bachelor. It’s like they starve 25 women and then put out average burgers for them to eat. At that point, they taste like the best thing in the world. But once released from the bubble they’re in, they wonder why they’d want a simple burger when they could have a juicy steak?! Yup, Arie is just a burger (McDonalds quality, IMO!).

[Mabinogia]

11 hours ago, PreBabylonia said:

Oh God. It's bad enough going to a weddings of friends and family. I have no idea why anyone would want to watch a celebrity wedding (even if I really liked them), let alone a wedding of reality "stars" - especially ones I have no respect for, like Lauren and Arie. The snark entertainment factor would be negligible.

Amen to that. I don't think I would watch two people I can't stand get married if I were paid...well. It just sounds too painful. The show may hate Arie but they also know that the right reasons viewers will want a fairytale wedding so it's going to be all hearts and roses and lovey dovey and I really have no interest in these two people's "happily ever after". If they get it, good for them, but I won't be a witness to it. I have better things to do with my life, like hand pick all the hair out of my rug, get a colonoscopy, stare at a beige wall.

[Former Nun]

10 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

When he was on that date with Lauren, and had to leave the table after she proclaimed her feelings for him...those are some strong feelings! 

He left the table...or an area a few times--with differen girls.  I think he may truly have a panic/anxiety disorder.   OR...he can't control his "male member."

[Former Nun]

13 hours ago, PreBabylonia said:

Once a man treats you that shitily, you realize that what you had never was love.

It took me almost 20 years to even notice it.

[sasha206]

13 hours ago, PreBabylonia said:

I think that at the time of the filming, Becca was under the illusion that Arie was a much better man that he now appears. Once a man treats you that shitily, you realize that what you had never was love. Probably happens a lot on this show but it was very brutal to tell her that way and on camera.

I think that Becca, like the other famewhores, went on a TV show to gain fame and then did what all of the contestants do -- breathlessly fawn that they could see themselves with someone forever and ever that they have spent group dates with -- so they can be the winner and gain more fame.  

I don't for one minute believe she was ever in love with a man she doesn't even know.  And if she really was in love, she needs to get herself to a therapist STAT because she clearly doesn't now what love is.

[Bobcatkitten]

Has anyone figured out what Lauren was talking about when the mentioned twice that she and Arie had met before and he didn't remember?

[Starlight925]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5474567/Bachelor-Arie-called-cheat-lied-exs-MISCARRIAGE.html

Daily Mail 2 days ago.

Ex-girlfriend after ex-girlfriend claiming he cheated on them.

The girlfriend who had the miscarriage says he outright lied to Lauren about it, that it did not happen the way he said.  And that it was a very private situation (obviously), that even her father never knew about it....until Arie blabbed about it on National TV.

Yeah, this'll last.

[Stinamaia]

1 hour ago, scribe95 said:

Has anyone figured out what Lauren was talking about when the mentioned twice that she and Arie had met before and he didn't remember?

Yes.  It’s been discussed here before. On the first night, Lauren showed Arie a photo of when she met him at a race track in the Dallas area. Arie did not remember the meeting.  It wasn’t anything more than a brief meeting.

[Bobcatkitten]

Thanks @Stinamaia

[nicgwatchingtv]

16 hours ago, LuvMyShows said:

I disagree that if he had picked Lauren initially, he'd have done a switcheroo like he did with Becca.  When he was on that date with Lauren, and had to leave the table after she proclaimed her feelings for him...those are some strong feelings!  His "I love you"s were always said differently to Lauren.  He allowed his head to win out over his heart by choosing Becca over Lauren, but had he followed his heart in the first place, I don't think he then would have switched to his head.  He looked really happy with Lauren on the Kimmel show...I definitely think it's largely due to her superficial resemblance to Emily, but if it works for them, then I wish them well!

I agree that, during the show, he seemed very much to be most interested in Lauren and, to my eye, he actually didn't seem that into Becca at all. But I still think he would have switched if he'd chosen Lauren first.

He'd obviously sold himself on the idea that he was into Becca and convinced himself, however briefly that he'd marry her. It was only after being exclusively with her that he got over that idea. If he'd been with Lauren instead, he probably would have been happier and he might very well have not 'gotten over her', like he did Becca. But he also wouldn't have gotten over Becca.  Instead, Becca would have been the one who was out there, that he couldn't have and he'd still have be holding onto the idea that she'd make him a great wife. And I do think he was very concerned that he'd make the wrong choice. I think no matter who he picked, he'd have been thinking over the benefits of the other choice.

In other words, Lauren would have been the bird in the hand, Arie would have been concerned with the birds in the bush. 

All that said, I don't think there's any chance Becca and he would have made it down the aisle. I do think that, even if he'd left Lauren to be with Becca, he might very well have tried to go back to Lauren again. And I think Lauren and Arie might very well get married. They're moving fast, seem happy (I've said it before, if a couple turns to each during a really rough ATFR, they seem to stand a better chance long term than if they'd had an easy ATFR; that stormy weather can really bond them) and why not (neither has kids and both are adults)

And I think they'll love each other for  a few years, his girls on the side will leak back into the picture during that time and then they'll probably be the first Bachelor divorce. 

Edited March 9, 2018 by nicgwatchingtv

[Palomar]

One thing seems clear. For as long as they are together (married or just engaged) she will expect to be treated like a princess.....to make up for Arie dumping her and not thinking she was marriage material and just because she expects to be treated like a princess, period. He is infatuated with her now so I'm sure he is fine with it.  But that can get old.

[Mabinogia]

1 hour ago, nicgwatchingtv said:

then they'll probably be the first Bachelor divorce. 

Wonder if the franchise will try to film it. lol It will be the Most!Shocking!Divorce! EVER!!!!

 

32 minutes ago, Palomar said:

One thing seems clear. For as long as they are together (married or just engaged) she will expect to be treated like a princess.....to make up for Arie dumping her and not thinking she was marriage material and just because she expects to be treated like a princess, period. He is infatuated with her now so I'm sure he is fine with it.  But that can get old.

It will be interesting because it seemed like Arie's main concern in picking Lauren in the first place was that she was going to be a lot of work. He kept talking about how confident Becca was and how easy it was to just hang with her compared to how he kept having to reassure Lauren and it was hard to make her feel as secure. Well, that's going to be even harder now, since he has shown he is indecisive and wasn't sure he wanted to be with her at all. Good luck with that buddy. You are going to be working your ass off reassuring your insecure new fiancé. Though I also get a sneaking suspicion that might work for him, since he wants what he has to work for and he will forever be working to keep Lauren happy. 

[Token]

The moment Lauren opened the door, grinned, and jumped into Arie's arms, I turned this dreck off.  I think this season has been one big con.  All the information that has come out about Arie and his behaviours on the show just make him out to be the biggest moron they've had as the Bachelor so far.  And there's been a lot of morons!

[yorklee2]

On 3/9/2018 at 4:54 PM, nicgwatchingtv said:

I agree that, during the show, he seemed very much to be most interested in Lauren and, to my eye, he actually didn't seem that into Becca at all. But I still think he would have switched if he'd chosen Lauren first.

He'd obviously sold himself on the idea that he was into Becca and convinced himself, however briefly that he'd marry her. It was only after being exclusively with her that he got over that idea. If he'd been with Lauren instead, he probably would have been happier and he might very well have not 'gotten over her', like he did Becca. But he also wouldn't have gotten over Becca.  Instead, Becca would have been the one who was out there, that he couldn't have and he'd still have be holding onto the idea that she'd make him a great wife. And I do think he was very concerned that he'd make the wrong choice. I think no matter who he picked, he'd have been thinking over the benefits of the other choice.

In other words, Lauren would have been the bird in the hand, Arie would have been concerned with the birds in the bush. 

All that said, I don't think there's any chance Becca and he would have made it down the aisle. I do think that, even if he'd left Lauren to be with Becca, he might very well have tried to go back to Lauren again. And I think Lauren and Arie might very well get married. They're moving fast, seem happy (I've said it before, if a couple turns to each during a really rough ATFR, they seem to stand a better chance long term than if they'd had an easy ATFR; that stormy weather can really bond them) and why not (neither has kids and both are adults)

And I think they'll love each other for  a few years, his girls on the side will leak back into the picture during that time and then they'll probably be the first Bachelor divorce. 

 

 

On 3/9/2018 at 6:20 PM, Mabinogia said:

Wonder if the franchise will try to film it. lol It will be the Most!Shocking!Divorce! EVER!!!!

 

It will be interesting because it seemed like Arie's main concern in picking Lauren in the first place was that she was going to be a lot of work. He kept talking about how confident Becca was and how easy it was to just hang with her compared to how he kept having to reassure Lauren and it was hard to make her feel as secure. Well, that's going to be even harder now, since he has shown he is indecisive and wasn't sure he wanted to be with her at all. Good luck with that buddy. You are going to be working your ass off reassuring your insecure new fiancé. Though I also get a sneaking suspicion that might work for him, since he wants what he has to work for and he will forever be working to keep Lauren happy. 

I agree that with the, "us against the world" mentality they will probably stay together longer than they might normally. But as you both mentioned above when Arie gets tired of the constant reassuring and Lauren hopefully opening her eyes at some point this won't last. I'm sure there will always be some women willing to take on aging Arie and when in his eyes the cute helplessness of Lauren turns into nagging he'll bolt. 

Lauren may be in denial but hopefully as she ages she will evolve and mature. She's so wrapped up in her "perfect world" at the moment that she wouldn't even watch the break up film. And if she's heard anything about his past I'm sure she thinks it will be different with her. At some point though she may (when there's trouble in paradise) look back and wish she hadn't rushed into things. Then again as Arie and the relationship ages things may look less attractive too her and she moves on. She strikes me as the type that loves being "in love" as she's already had multiple engagements.

Of course they could end up staying together but I would not be shocked in the least to hear they've split within the next couple of years.

Edited March 11, 2018 by yorklee2

[Pattycake2]

On 3/9/2018 at 12:46 PM, Sterling said:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5474567/Bachelor-Arie-called-cheat-lied-exs-MISCARRIAGE.html

Daily Mail 2 days ago.

Ex-girlfriend after ex-girlfriend claiming he cheated on them.

The girlfriend who had the miscarriage says he outright lied to Lauren about it, that it did not happen the way he said.  And that it was a very private situation (obviously), that even her father never knew about it....until Arie blabbed about it on National TV.

Yeah, this'll last.

Whoa!  Even though The Daily Mail is a tab, it lays out his serial cheating.  I mean, he cheated on Everyone.  And Lauren looks just like his ex Sydney.   He will be cheating on Lauren by June.  No doubt.

[Mu Shu]

On 3/8/2018 at 7:28 AM, JudyObscure said:

I doubt if Neil Lane will give the couple a ring unless the proposal is televised.  They, naturally, expect a little advertisement for their money. So that 30 second proposal was worth about $80,000 in diamonds.  They may also have hoped that an on air proposal would soften a few hearts, not guessing the level of unswerving  hatred directed at them for their unspeakable, horrific crimes.

Is there a reason Arie can’t buy a ring?  I’m sure his parents would spring for half a carat. 

[dleighg]

4 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

 I’m sure his parents would spring for half a carat. 

I'm very happy with my lovely half carat diamond bought when we were grad students. Nowadays we are what would be called affluent but I love it!

[Mu Shu]

I’d rather a high quality half carat any day.