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Discussing the charges against Jana is fine, but do not post any information that reveals her address/contact information- even if said documents are public (i.e. a part of court proceedings.)

Discussing charges against Jana is NOT a jumping off point to speculate on other instances abuse/neglect etc towards the M-children or to elaborate on Josh's conviction and potential victims.  

 

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Ijustwantsomechips
Ijustwantsomechips

Maybe Jana needs her own thread as a token of the respect she’ll never garner as a single woman in Gothardland.  

andromeda331
andromeda331

How about both hop in the plane close the door really quickly and fly off.  Abbie: "Where are we going?" JD: Cayman Islands. We're elope. And we're not coming back! Abbie: Wait we need

BitterApple
BitterApple

Wow, so this is what, the fourth guy to publicly release a statement denying involvement with Jana? That must be doing wonders for her self-esteem.  These guys are starting to piss me off, though

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BitterApple

BitterApple

Jer looks exactly like Boob but somehow managed to turn out cute. How weird.

Regarding Abbie, I think she'll follow the typical Fundie pattern of quickie engagement/marriage followed by immediate pregnancy. However I do give her credit for being able to get into and complete a real training program. Nursing isn't an easy major, so she definitely has some level of smarts.

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VegasDenise

VegasDenise

I remember JD giving advise to one of the siblings, he said " The newlyweds should take the first year of marriage and get to know each other." He does not seem to be the kind of guy to jump into things quickly. So Im hoping that they do similar to JinJer and wait a year to have babies., since he is also having a "long distance relationship. 

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EmeraldGirl

EmeraldGirl

7 hours ago, graefin said:

Jeremiah puts to rest the rumors that teeth whitening is only for Duggars females ?

I’m the rumor spreader! 

And he doesn’t have the Charlie Brown hair either! 

I don’t know, I bet that education will convince Mrs. JD that she can indeed do a home birth. I have to see her in action first before I decide what she’s like. 

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Christina87

Christina87

12 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Jer looks exactly like Boob but somehow managed to turn out cute. How weird.

Regarding Abbie, I think she'll follow the typical Fundie pattern of quickie engagement/marriage followed by immediate pregnancy. However I do give her credit for being able to get into and complete a real training program. Nursing isn't an easy major, so she definitely has some level of smarts.

At least I trust her to homeschool the kids well. She has smarts, plus people with smarts usually are better at admitting when they don't know something. Hopefully she would find other tutors for the kids when it came to subjects where she wasn't well-equipped. 

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becca3891

becca3891

On 6/29/2018 at 5:10 PM, Jynnan tonnix said:

And I was big fan of Clay Aiken back in the second season of American Idol. The best part of that was making some great friends whom I still keep in contact with. Many of us "Claymates" met first in online forums and then later in real life at concerts and such (my favorite hangout was the LBFCA "Lecherous Broads for Clay Aiken" board) . I wasn't nearly as obsessive as some of the ones who went to concert after concert all over the country, but I guess I was obsessive enough! LOL 

Sorry, that was wildly off topic, but that's what the name "Clay" always conjures up for me.

It's a not uncommon name in the South where they more often use family names as given names. It's generally short for Clayton.

A guy from the North who I have a crush on is named Clayton and goes by Clay. He's in his 50s, though, and it's probably not nearly as common now to name babies.

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zoomama

zoomama

On 6/30/2018 at 8:33 PM, andromeda331 said:

How about both hop in the plane close the door really quickly and fly off. 

Abbie: "Where are we going?"

JD: Cayman Islands. We're elope. And we're not coming back!

Abbie: Wait we need a witness.

Jana sits up. "Have you tried wine before? Its really good." Jana smiled. "I'm now on permanent vacation."

Down on the ground. Justin "Is the plane suppose to be flying away?"

JB "I'm sure he's just...going around in circles."

Jackson: Its getting further and further away.

JB No, JD wouldn't do that. JD I FORBID YOU!"

Michelle: Jana, my drink is empty." No response. "Jana, my drink is empty." JB looks worried.  Michelle looks scared.

Back up in the plane. JD: Did you move all the funds off shore?"

Jana: "I left them 19 cents." Leads back. "I haven't had a day of since before Jill was born. I'm going to do nothing but eat, drink and do whatever the hell I want. 

that was freaking hilarious!!!!  i lol'd!

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VioletNevermind

VioletNevermind

Well, what do you know?  John David finally started a relationship.  My loathing for most members of this family knows no bounds, but I’m quite happy for him.  I always thought he was a pretty decent (if somewhat boring) guy, at least as compared to the vast majority of his adult siblings.  Now, if we can just get poor Jana out of that prison house.

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Lady Edith

Lady Edith

11 hours ago, SuzyLee said:

Now, if we can just get poor Jana out of that prison house.

That most likely will never happen. Jana is the glue that holds that household together. They all know it.  Losing her to marriage (and it WOULD be a HUGE loss) would mean serious consequences to the littles. The bigs who are left could really care less about them, at least in seeing them through their days. And Jana knows it.  So she stepped up to make sure the littles are at least fed and clothed, with basic hygiene taken care of.  If she leaves, those littles (Josie, Jenni, etc.) are going to suffer.  So she doesn’t leave. And will never, IMHO. 

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VioletNevermind

VioletNevermind

8 minutes ago, Lady Edith said:

That most likely will never happen. Jana is the glue that holds that household together. They all know it.  Losing her to marriage (and it WOULD be a HUGE loss) would mean serious consequences to the littles. The bigs who are left could really care less about them, at least in seeing them through their days. And Jana knows it.  So she stepped up to make sure the littles are at least fed and clothed, with basic hygiene taken care of.  If she leaves, those littles (Josie, Jenni, etc.) are going to suffer.  So she doesn’t leave. And will never, IMHO. 

I understand all of that, but a girl can hope!  I hope her mother is proud of herself.  She’s basically stolen Jana’s life from her.  It’s tragic. 

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Lady Edith

Lady Edith

MEchelle honestly could care less, imho.  She did her duty by filling JB’s quiver.  She was a “Godly” woman and had as many kids as God wanted to send her she could before the “next season of life came”.  What happens after that imho is none of her concern. She is needed at seminars to retell her tired story over and over and over.  

I absolutely loathe that she tells people that once upon a time they were “early birds” and would be at music lessons at 7:30 am. Now, she claims, she and the older kids stay up till all hours talking and praying together. They sleep in now, unable to make early wake ups. Hence “Duggar time”.  Those people never kept an early (or decent) bedtime. We saw it on the show!  Kids (littles) falling asleep on the stairs. Kids asleep on bare mattresses still in the clothes they wore all that day.  Those kids never had a “normal” bedtime. Or a routine.  Duggar time is a direct result of their not being parents and creating a sense of order in their home.  It was mass chaos 24/7.   Still is, imho. 

And yes, it’s truly sad that Jana’s life was stolen from her.  Because her parents refuse to parent the 20 children they have.  I include J’Tyler in that. 

Who had the brilliant idea to allow them to foster a kid when they can’t care for their own properly?  Smh. 

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queenanne

queenanne

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11 hours ago, Lady Edith said:

MEchelle honestly could care less, imho.  She did her duty by filling JB’s quiver.  She was a “Godly” woman and had as many kids as God wanted to send her she could before the “next season of life came”.  What happens after that imho is none of her concern. She is needed at seminars to retell her tired story over and over and over.  

I absolutely loathe that she tells people that once upon a time they were “early birds” and would be at music lessons at 7:30 am. Now, she claims, she and the older kids stay up till all hours talking and praying together. They sleep in now, unable to make early wake ups. Hence “Duggar time”.  Those people never kept an early (or decent) bedtime. We saw it on the show!  Kids (littles) falling asleep on the stairs. Kids asleep on bare mattresses still in the clothes they wore all that day.  Those kids never had a “normal” bedtime. Or a routine.  Duggar time is a direct result of their not being parents and creating a sense of order in their home.  It was mass chaos 24/7.   Still is, imho. 

And yes, it’s truly sad that Jana’s life was stolen from her.  Because her parents refuse to parent the 20 children they have.  I include J’Tyler in that. 

Who had the brilliant idea to allow them to foster a kid when they can’t care for their own properly?  Smh. 

Wow, no wonder the introverted children want to get away, lol.  I'm exhausted just reading about spending "hours" talking to my family every day.  2 is about the limit, and that's after I've not seen them for several months.  If I saw them every day, I'd near-literally have nothing to say to these people; and I wouldn't have had that much more to say to them when I was being "raised in the church" either.  

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12 hours ago, Lady Edith said:

I absolutely loathe that she tells people that once upon a time they were “early birds” and would be at music lessons at 7:30 am. Now, she claims, she and the older kids stay up till all hours talking and praying together. They sleep in now, unable to make early wake ups. Hence “Duggar time”.  Those people never kept an early (or decent) bedtime. We saw it on the show!  Kids (littles) falling asleep on the stairs. Kids asleep on bare mattresses still in the clothes they wore all that day.  Those kids never had a “normal” bedtime. Or a routine.  Duggar time is a direct result of their not being parents and creating a sense of order in their home.  It was mass chaos 24/7.   Still is, imho. 

What on Earth would they have to talk about? They're together 24/7, they do NOTHING, they read NOTHING, they watch NOTHING. They have no interests or hobbies and J'chelle has shown zero interest in the small interests that they are allowed to cultivate. They aren't allowed to think anything outside of a narrow band of Gothard-approved aphorisms, and the have the collective vocabulary of a grade-schooler.

I think they sleep all the time because they're bored and depressed, and they don't have anything better to do -- and I don't think the option of "raising her kids" would occur to J'Chelle.

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Fostersmom

Fostersmom

37 minutes ago, queenanne said:

Wow, no wonder the introverted children want to get away, lol.  I'm exhausted just reading about spending "hours" talking to my family every day.  2 is about the limit, and that's after I've not seen them for several months.  If I saw them every day, I'd near-literally have nothing to say to these people; and I wouldn't have had that much more to say to them when I was being "raised in the church" either.  

I had to give in and spend the day with my mom yesterday. She been asking me to go do something with her for a week. I had plans last Sunday, but I would have begged off even I didn't. I passed on July 4, and have been saying I couldn't blow her off again. She asked me to go look at furniture with her yesterday, my personal version of hell since I've literally been shopping for the same fucking furniture with her for like 4 years and she's so miserable about everything, nothing is right and she hates it all. I feel like I've done my daughterly duty for at last the rest of the month now. 

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bigskygirl

bigskygirl

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1 hour ago, Fostersmom said:

I had to give in and spend the day with my mom yesterday. She been asking me to go do something with her for a week. I had plans last Sunday, but I would have begged off even I didn't. I passed on July 4, and have been saying I couldn't blow her off again. She asked me to go look at furniture with her yesterday, my personal version of hell since I've literally been shopping for the same fucking furniture with her for like 4 years and she's so miserable about everything, nothing is right and she hates it all. I feel like I've done my daughterly duty for at last the rest of the month now. 

One good thing about my anxiety and depression is the fact I was told to stay away from my family because being around them or talking to them can cause my anxiety levels to act up. My counselor did tell me to try to talk more with my husband, but I do not feel like talking much the last few months. I am not saying I do not love my hubby, but I like peace and quiet when I do not feel well.

I cannot imagine being in a room with one or more Duggar and trying to have a half way decent conversation with one of them. I probably will be calling someone asking to get an emergency appointment with the psychiatrist and asking her to double the dosage of my anti-depressant and anxiety meds or asking them to set up a room  for me in the inpatient mental health unit at the local hospital.

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zenme

zenme

We don't get a choice in family members, but we do get to choose our friends. With some family I have to limit my time with them. Just small spoonfuls at a time, in order to keep myself from either being hurt or angry. As a matter of fact, the other day my mother got really upset with me because we'd gone to visit my sister. We had a nice afternoon, and while everyone was still happy, I told my mom, "It's getting later. We should go now." In her typical style, she didn't want to leave yet, and lo and behold, my sister started becoming annoyed and short in her words. When we got in the car, I said to my mom "Your problem is that you always overstay. If you would just make your visits short and sweet, and then no one would be aggravated by the time you leave."  She was very upset,  but I feel this is the only way she'll get it. 

I look at other mother/daughter relationships and I'm envious that ours can't be like theirs. Personalities, along with histories,  can really get in the way of that. 

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Fostersmom

Fostersmom

47 minutes ago, zenme said:

We don't get a choice in family members, but we do get to choose our friends. With some family I have to limit my time with them. Just small spoonfuls at a time, in order to keep myself from either being hurt or angry. As a matter of fact, the other day my mother got really upset with me because we'd gone to visit my sister. We had a nice afternoon, and while everyone was still happy, I told my mom, "It's getting later. We should go now." In her typical style, she didn't want to leave yet, and lo and behold, my sister started becoming annoyed and short in her words. When we got in the car, I said to my mom "Your problem is that you always overstay. If you would just make your visits short and sweet, and then no one would be aggravated by the time you leave."  She was very upset,  but I feel this is the only way she'll get it. 

I look at other mother/daughter relationships and I'm envious that ours can't be like theirs. Personalities, along with histories,  can really get in the way of that. 

Along with the furniture shopping, I agreed to go to a casino with my mom. That's what she really wanted me to do last Sunday and on the 4th, so I knew when she called yesterday about the furniture shopping, we'd end up at one and was mentally prepared for it. She tried to be all coy about it at when we stopped for a late lunch, early dinner, she slipped it in. Of course that turned into her bitching non stop about how she wan't winning and it was a scam/rip off. Uh.... duh. Are you new to a casino? And why the hell have you been begging me for a week to go? Finally I told her she was sucking all the fun out of my playing with her constant bitching and she shut up. 

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MamaMax

MamaMax

On 7/1/2018 at 12:58 AM, BitterApple said:

Jer looks exactly like Boob but somehow managed to turn out cute. How weird.

Regarding Abbie, I think she'll follow the typical Fundie pattern of quickie engagement/marriage followed by immediate pregnancy. However I do give her credit for being able to get into and complete a real training program. Nursing isn't an easy major, so she definitely has some level of smarts.

As I understand LPNs, they are skilled above medial assistants but no where near RNs.  I worked at an MD office that had a cancer and hematology infusion center. LPNs were allowed to do certain infusions like iron infusions for people who were anemic, but were not let anywhere NEAR the chemo. RNs only on that. Med assistants did things like taking vitals (Weight, BP, pulse) drawing blood, giving SOME injections (like B12)  and entering data into patient charts. 

The Med Assts were paid less  per hour than me, a receptionist. The LPNS made more than Med assistants, but about 1/3 the hourly wage of RNs.  Some of the LPNs were smart people who just didn't have the resources to go to nursing school, or were working while pursuing their RNs, but many of them were of average intelligence who went to technical schools. They had learnt skills like starting an IV, but don't really have what I would consider clinical judgement skills.  Just my observations. 

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Adeejay

Adeejay

15 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Not to defend JB&Michelle, but I don’t think they’ve stolen Jana’s life. Jana isn’t dead yet (firstly) and she’s only 28 (secondly). I’m sure she’s got things in her life she enjoys. I’d rather be Jana than Jill....or even Jessa. 

Joy is the one I feel sorry for. Her husband seems intense.  I have a feeling she is catching hell.  Hope I am wrong.  

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lascuba

lascuba

15 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Not to defend JB&Michelle, but I don’t think they’ve stolen Jana’s life. Jana isn’t dead yet (firstly) and she’s only 28 (secondly). I’m sure she’s got things in her life she enjoys. I’d rather be Jana than Jill....or even Jessa. 

I tend to agree with this. I think Jana--in the context of her belief system and community--has a significant amount of autonomy compared to most women her age. She has access to enough money for whatever pet projects she wants to do, she travels, and for all the CinderJana talk, I suspect they have a lot more outside help than just the live in tutor. Jana may be busy running house, but she's *running* that house. JB and Michelle might be officially in charge and can pull in the reins when they want, but since Jana isn't out partying or making friends they dont' aprove of, so they let her be. She won't have that freedom if she were to marry, and she's never struck me as someone who wants true freedom outside of fundamentalism. 

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Christina87

Christina87

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Ahhhh another pic of Abbie wearing my dress again. ? I took a pic of it full length, but I had to keep cropping it until it would upload. The dress is a maxi dress.  You can kind of see the short sleeves poking out from under the modesty sweater in this pic. For the life of me, I have no idea why the sweater is necessary! It's also short sleeved, so I can't imagine how it adds that much warmth. Maybe they find it too form-fitting. 

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awaken

awaken

6 hours ago, zenme said:

We don't get a choice in family members, but we do get to choose our friends. With some family I have to limit my time with them. Just small spoonfuls at a time, in order to keep myself from either being hurt or angry. As a matter of fact, the other day my mother got really upset with me because we'd gone to visit my sister. We had a nice afternoon, and while everyone was still happy, I told my mom, "It's getting later. We should go now." In her typical style, she didn't want to leave yet, and lo and behold, my sister started becoming annoyed and short in her words. When we got in the car, I said to my mom "Your problem is that you always overstay. If you would just make your visits short and sweet, and then no one would be aggravated by the time you leave."  She was very upset,  but I feel this is the only way she'll get it. 

I look at other mother/daughter relationships and I'm envious that ours can't be like theirs. Personalities, along with histories,  can really get in the way of that. 

Same here. I’m glad I’m not the only one!  Only measured, minimal contact, mostly to make my kids happy. And even that is always a huge emotional drain. 

I cannot imagine what they’d be up till all hours talking and praying about that they didn’t do while together all day sitting around doing nothing and eating instant crap off of paper plates!  

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MamaMax

MamaMax

2 hours ago, awaken said:

Same here. I’m glad I’m not the only one!  Only measured, minimal contact, mostly to make my kids happy. And even that is always a huge emotional drain. 

I cannot imagine what they’d be up till all hours talking and praying about that they didn’t do while together all day sitting around doing nothing and eating instant crap off of paper plates!  

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and call Bullshit on that. No way that's what's going on at the Duggar compound.

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zenme

zenme

2 hours ago, MamaMax said:

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and call Bullshit on that. No way that's what's going on at the Duggar compound.

I agree, and this to me is the difference between the Duggars and the Bates families. The Bates kids have more authentic relationships with one another, while the Duggars seem to have a relationships but  still seem guarded.  It's strange and unusual.

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louannems

louannems

I was watching JB & Michelle on YouTube speaking at a 2013 conference.

JB started off saying how it was a good sized crowd for so early in the morning. He retold yet again how the Duggers are not early risers and run on Dugger time.

Michelle pipes in to say that around 11:00 p.m., most nights, her teen agers come into her bedroom to "just share their hearts".  This goes on til 2:00 A.M..

Obviously, no one needs to be rested for work or school the next morning.

In Growing up Dugger, the girls confirm this weird nocturnal heart sharing.

Also, just before his marriage, Joe thanked Michelle for talking with him till all hours of the morning.

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drafan

drafan

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2 hours ago, leighdear said:

The most striking thing to me about this video is that Jana is wearing a sleeveless top.  

TWO sleeveless tops. And the outer one looks like a cap-sleeved top with the sleeves pushed up. (So she can whisk them back down should Mullet show up.)

ETA: Lawson's pix are posier and prettier than Jana's pix.

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BitterApple

BitterApple

Lawson is an ass if he posted that picture to draw traffic to his Instagram. I doubt he's dating Jana and he had to know the rumors would swirl if she showed up on his social media. I feel so bad for this poor woman constantly being the subject of "is she or isn't she" dating stories. If Lawson makes any sort of statement denying a relationship, then I'm officially done with him.

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graefin

graefin

2 hours ago, drafan said:

ETA: Lawson's pix are posier and prettier than Jana's pix.

Lawson probably spends more time in front of the mirror than most women in their culture, and his pics are all about him regardless of occasion or caption, like the mother's day photo of him and Kelly with Lawson front and center and Kelly half out of the frame . . . 

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EVS

EVS

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I don’t think Lawson is a bad guy, just too full of himself when it comes to his looks and music ability. He is hardworking, since he had the lawn business, and generous enough to help his parents and siblings when they needed money. He also seems like he has an easy going personality.  He used to annoy me the most from the Bates boys, but he is growing on me. I think he would make a better husband than Nathan. 

I’m starting to think he wouldn’t make a bad spouse for Jana, as long as she covers up all the mirrors in the house. He did used to work with his hands and could help her with her garden, and they both like music. He seems like he would be a good dad, although he would probably be in all the baby pictures!

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

5 hours ago, Fuzzysox said:

Lawson sure seems to be spending a lot of time with the Duggars this year. Wonder why?

In the last year and a half they've had three Duggar weddings to attend; Joy's, Joe's and Josiah's. And Lawson never misses an opportunity to take a picture of himself, so his face is everywhere.

I agree with @EVS that Lawson is nice enough and probably harmless, but I wouldn't want Jana or any other women to have to catch and cradle him when he finds out that he's not a very good musician and really not much more handsome than the average dude.

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Discussing the charges against Jana is fine, but do not post any information that reveals her address/contact information- even if said documents are public (i.e. a part of court proceedings.)

Discussing charges against Jana is NOT a jumping off point to speculate on other instances abuse/neglect etc towards the M-children or to elaborate on Josh's conviction and potential victims.  

 

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