S07.E25: Behind The Scenes

[luvgoldens]

1 hour ago, CofCinci said:

I agree. 

Jo always looks at Kail with loving eyes. Dude would take her back in a heartbeat (no way she'd have him and his bag of nothing though). He will always put Kail's psychological safety above everyone else -- not because it benefits his son but because it's what he wants to do.  Vee and their daughter are low on his priority list. He does nothing to validate or support Vee's legitimate, reasonable concerns about the unstable parenting schedule.  She gave up her life and support structure to move with Jo so he could be closer to his son. Vee's role in Isaac's life is purposefully unrecognized by Kail as it does not support her Brand.  She's the single mother doing it all on her own. Don't look behind the curtain and see the stepmother who is also tying her best to raise Isaac.   Vee is also going to school and has a baby. While I'm sure they get a little TM money, it's probably not enough for day care.  You don't hear her crying about how hard it is to be a student-mother. 

Step-parents often don't get the credit they deserve and are left without a seat at the table when it comes to discussing the heavy issues.  If Jo doesn't start supporting Vee when Kail is in bully mode, he will loose her.  She'll go back to her family in NJ with the baby. Kail will leave the area in pursuit of her Brand.  Jo will be left alone and his children will be on different coasts. 

I very much agree with your entire post.  I can't understand why Jo is so smitten with that beast. Didn't he say something about always standing by Kail and making sure things were in her best interest? He needs to dial it back and direct this fierce loyalty to his present baby momma. Then he asks all lamby pamby when Kail is going to make that bean dip he likes so much.  What???  How often do they get together over snacks. I felt hurt for Vee. And all the Hulk can do is turn even that into an argument about it's her secret recipe like she's Julia Child or something.  Girl please!

Edited March 21, 2017 by luvgoldens

[crazychicken]

5 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

I really do not remember this! I wonder if I just didn't see it, and watched only the reunion(s). The way this thing was aired before the reunion, I thought it was going to be a regular finale episode, and then the reunion. It was weird.

I kind of forgot about it too as the Backstage Pass episode aired at the end of November 5 months after the reunion

[AmyFarrahFowler]

5 hours ago, bounnatalie said:

Wow. 

I don't believe Barb keeps Jace for the money.

I can't believe how jealous Janelle is of Barb. It is so odd and the Yahtzee story let us know there was something really dark percolating in Janelle's mind. There is more to this crazy, that's for sure. My favorite part was when Kail and Vee sat down and you heard the producer say, "Do we have a camera in there?" which revealed their truth. Frankly, I couldn't understand the whole Janelle/Barb/police scene. Why didn't someone say "Do you have permission to take Jace?" to Janelle. It was chaos and nobody seemed to be in their right mind. I didn't understand why the Police said, "She is his mother" even though Barb is the legal guardian. What if she was his abusive mother? What if it wasn't safe. Just because she is the mother doesn't mean she can just take him from his legal guardian, correct?

It appeared to me (more of an assumption really) that Barb is traveling to these tapings without a copy of the custody orders. Without those in hand even the local police won't enforce the order based on your word. They have to see proof. I hope Barb has learned a lesson for future shows.

[Mkay]

12 hours ago, peskipiksi said:

Eagle-eyed poster over on Reddit got a screengrab of UBT smoking something that sure looks a hell of a lot like a joint.  (Keep in mind Jace was still in their room at this point, and Jenelle was pregnant).

https://m.imgur.com/gallery/ROZDl

(sorry, can't get image to upload)

No wonder they walked Jace downstairs without too much of an argument. They sure didn't want Barb to catch a whiff of that.  

[Racj82]

Everything that Jo does right now just seems so clear to me. He's scared as hell to rock the boat and ruin the truce they've had as of late. It has nothing to do with him looking at kail with loving eyes. The minute someone crosses kail she goes to mean bitch mode with the quickness and has no idea how to turn it off. It is true that he has to stand up for his families position but I don't look down or judge him for it. Lord knows no one wants to go back to the kail/jo battle days. 

[poeticlicensed]

2 hours ago, mamadrama said:

I wish Barb would stop confiding in that awful producer. She's not your friend, Barb, she's a shit stirrer who plays both sides in order to create a more dramatic show. 

 

100X this. Producers are there to fan the flames. MTV is who they work for and who they are beholden to. 

As far as Barb and money, isn't it ironic that Janelle, who throws every cent she has into lawyers, cars, homes, drugs and random guys, has the nerve to criticize Barb about fame whoring for money, when Barb lives in EXACTLY THE SAME HOUSE she always has, works a 9-5 and pays for Jace's expenses. She drives an economical car and has has the same one for years. The on;y thing I see that she has done is to remodel her kitchen and fix up her house. No doubt she is saving all her MTV money because she knows and has said that it will go away. She is responsible for Jace and is saving for his and her (Barb) future. She also probably realizes that when MTV is done, Janelle will be alone, broke, with no job, no way to support herself and a litter of babies. And it will fall to Barb to support her. Barb knows this and is planning for that eventuality. 

[Pepper Mostly]

28 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

The thing that killed me about Kail and Vee in the Green Room, was how Kail claimed it would "hurt her as a mother" to lose time with Isaac and how a fellow mother like Vee should understand that. Bitch, please. You're the one who broke up your children's home so you could dick hop and you're the one dumping your children every other week so you can have "me time" and go on vacation. Kail is such a manipulative bitch. She's no better than Jenelle. She only wants those boys when there's something in it for her. Jo can't have 50/50 because it would devastate her as a mother, but I'm sure he's the first number on speed dial when she wants to go out with her friends and needs a babysitter for Isaac. Seriously, fuck her and her Marge Simpson duck lips.

Right? Like she's the only mother in the world. Thousands of divorced and separated parents deal with this every day! Kail thinks she is the only person on earth, everyone else is just an extra in the movie of her life. Words cannot express my loathing for her.

[crazychicken]

 

I can't even with this girl, what absolute crap that she only left for food I am pretty sure that MTV would have had more than enough food there to cater for all the freakin people needed there for the taping. Funny that Leah & Barb found food to eat while having a chat guess they given the star treatment by MTV and excluded poor Janelle again. Plus if nobody was allowed to leave until the end doesn't that just prove that Barb should have felt safe to leave Jace with her and not do a runner with him

 

I had to wade through so much leg humping I feel ill now.

[GreatKazu]

29 minutes ago, Mkay said:

No wonder they walked Jace downstairs without too much of an argument. They sure didn't want Barb to catch a whiff of that.  

I think it had to do more with the threat of the police being called and them catching a whiff of marijuana.

30 minutes ago, AmyFarrahFowler said:

It appeared to me (more of an assumption really) that Barb is traveling to these tapings without a copy of the custody orders. Without those in hand even the local police won't enforce the order based on your word. They have to see proof. I hope Barb has learned a lesson for future shows.

Barb has to want to press charges against Jenelle, which she didn't. Barb may have the copy of it on her phone, but we know she won't press charges against Jenelle so there is really no need to have proof of the custody order if there is no intent to follow through on her threats.

Barb still has a glimmer of hope for Jenelle. She hopes there will be a healthy relationship between them. Barb knows Dave won't be around forever. When the guy leaves the picture, Jenelle and Barb have a somewhat better relationship. That is what Barb keeps hoping for and by pressing charges she is afraid Jenelle will cut her off forever.

Edited March 21, 2017 by GreatKazu

[Stephanie1216]

15 hours ago, Christina said:

Bwahahahaha, Dave jumped out of the car, after counting down to no reaction, and no one cared as he was blustering. He expected everyone to jump out of the way because he was a badass but no one cared. Suck it, Dave! And Janelle!

That's so true.

He really showed himself tonight. The men didn't move and the one man who has an ear piece in gently puts his jacket on the ground and never takes his eyes off that beast. I don't know if he's security but he was not a pathetic producer. That guy was ready to put David on the ground. 

David seems like the type to boss around kids and women. 

Now I know what Barb means when she says she doesn't like this guy.

[BitterApple]

4 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

100X this. Producers are there to fan the flames. MTV is who they work for and who they are beholden to. 

As far as Barb and money, isn't it ironic that Janelle, who throws every cent she has into lawyers, cars, homes, drugs and random guys, has the nerve to criticize Barb about fame whoring for money, when Barb lives in EXACTLY THE SAME HOUSE she always has, works a 9-5 and pays for Jace's expenses. She drives an economical car and has has the same one for years. The on;y thing I see that she has done is to remodel her kitchen and fix up her house. No doubt she is saving all her MTV money because she knows and has said that it will go away. She is responsible for Jace and is saving for his and her (Barb) future. She also probably realizes that when MTV is done, Janelle will be alone, broke, with no job, no way to support herself and a litter of babies. And it will fall to Barb to support her. Barb knows this and is planning for that eventuality. 

Agree 100%. Out of everyone on this franchise, Barb is the last one whom I'd consider a spendthrift. She works full time and lives modestly. I think she views the MTV cash as a nice windfall that allows her to pad her retirement account and do some special things for Jace, but she sure isn't banking her well-being on it the way Jenelle is. If she was greedy and famewhorish, she wouldn't be getting up and going to work at Walmart everyday. 

[poeticlicensed]

OMG, Janelle expects people to believe that MTV holds people hostage without food for hours? She must think we are all as stupid as she is. UBT wanted to get high and they wanted to take Jace to piss off Barbara.

 

How many reunions/catch up/ aftershows have there been where  has Janelle caused a scene, left or not shown up at all? Or rather, how many shows has she showed up promptly, done what she is supposed to do and left at the end without incident? The math is easy on that one. ZERO 

Edited March 21, 2017 by poeticlicensed

[MargeGunderson]

2 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Agree 100%. Out of everyone on this franchise, Barb is the last one whom I'd consider a spendthrift. She works full time and lives modestly. I think she views the MTV cash as a nice windfall that allows her to pad her retirement account and do some special things for Jace, but she sure isn't banking her well-being on it the way Jenelle is. If she was greedy and famewhorish, she wouldn't be getting up and going to work at Walmart everyday. 

You know that once the MTV money runs out for Janelle she's going to Barb and demand Barb's MTV money since Barb only has it because of Jenelle.

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

Leah Is The Final Girl Of The Teen Mom 2 Finale

It's easy to look sane when Jenelle is playing a game of emotional Yahtzee.

[StatisticalOutlier]

15 hours ago, Christina87 said:

Wowwwww...Leah cannot control her kids enough to just make them sit while she gives a 30-second announcement. Yeah, there's no discipline in that house. 

I agree, but that announcement was just stupid.  They don't even know what college is, and even if they did, they probably wouldn't care.  Leah ended up choosing between cosmetology school and this college--it's not like she's fulfilling a lifelong dream of reading history at Oxford.  She's a simple girl and I should be sympathetic, but it just grates every time she lights up about being accepted to college and going to classes and finally doing something for herself.  Check back in four years.

 

12 hours ago, KittyKat133 said:

child abuse is what it is. Psychological child abuse. All barb wants to do is give this kid a G-D damn chance in this world and the screwed up way he got here. 

Notice when barb gets him back she says "why did you go with them?" As soon as she sees the confusion on his face she drops it and says "it's ok just stand by meme"

But she never should have said it in the first place.  I get that it was a tense situation and all, but if she's going to choose to have Jenelle in her life, the tense situations are going to continue, and she still handles them poorly.  Jace shouldn't even be exposed to the arguments, much less to the police intervention, much less put in the middle of it.

I just wish the pull that Jace has on Barbara was stronger than the pull Jenelle has.

 

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

I know Jenelle's behavior was horrible, but Barb certainly did herself no favors with the way she was cussing, wailing and carrying on. I'm sorry but neither one of them is stable and in any position to be raising a child. I didn't like the way Barb snapped at Jace and asked why he went with Jenelle. Even though she felt bad right after, it was still unfair to make Jace feel guilty over something he couldn't control.

And smoking.  Both Barb and UBT were smoking legal substances, but only one of them gets vilified for it.

[BitterApple]

5 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

OMG, Janelle expects people to believe that MTV holds people hostage without food for hours? She must think we are all as stupid as she is. UBT wanted to get high and they wanted to take Jace to piss off Barbara.

Lol, right? No food, but one of the producers managed to wrangle a smoothie for Jenelle when she was having her hissy fit in the parking lot. 

[Mkay]

19 minutes ago, crazychicken said:

 

I can't even with this girl, what absolute crap that she only left for food I am pretty sure that MTV would have had more than enough food there to cater for all the freakin people needed there for the taping. Funny that Leah & Barb found food to eat while having a chat guess they given the star treatment by MTV and excluded poor Janelle again. Plus if nobody was allowed to leave until the end doesn't that just prove that Barb should have felt safe to leave Jace with her and not do a runner with him

 

I had to wade through so much leg humping I feel ill now.

Papa Randy also tweeted that they cater and have tear food and snacks all day long.  Ha! He didn't direct that to Jenelle but you can tell why he tweeted it. 

[Snarky McSnarky]

I always laugh when one of these women refer to filming or attending a reunion show as "work."  Get a job in a factory for a few years and then tell us what work is.  Nobody's going to suck up to you and beg you to stay if you decide to walk off an assembly line mid-shift.  You'll be escorted out the door and handed your final check.

[TaxNerd]

15 hours ago, iwasish said:

Janelles best quality?  She's well spoken and educated. Enough said.

This is such a beautifully worded insult.

 

So did Kail get pregnant the night of the reunion?  

[FairyDusted]

Craft service probably doubles down with food for everyone including half of the cast being pregnant. 

[CerealKiller813]

Janelle is such a lying liar who lies!!!!!! You come in the next day with some story about how Barb left Jace in your care so she knew where Jace was when just YESTERDAY you said that Barb wasn't watching Jace anyway and that's how u ended up taking him. STOP WITH THE FUCKING LIES. I hope the occupants of the hotel got free breakfast or something for having to listen to Janelle scream from her balcony. Just a fucking disgrace. 

Im 59 minutes into this 2 hour fiasco and I'm hating myself for watching this. How many times can you yell at the tv? TOO MUCH apparently. 

KailSmash, how dare you say Vee can't have a say or isn't involved when you take your ass there to vent on the regular. Then you say she isn't an involved step parent cause she went to one soccer game? The fuck is wrong with you?? Vee has all right to express her feelings. I like how Vee even explained herself backstage to show how much Jo had to fight to get right with the demon just to see Issac especially in comparison to how "easy" it is for Javi. Also, let's remember how much Javi was involved in shit that should've just been Jo and Kail. Kail is a fucking horrible person and I hope she gets what is coming to her. She treats people like garbage and I have no care for her.  

Edited March 24, 2017 by CerealKiller813
I blame Janelle for all errors

[toodywoody]

1 hour ago, GreatKazu said:

I agree. I just think it is more about family than the girls. Jenelle is miserable and she expects Barb to be just as miserable. Misery loves company. Instead, Barb is laughing it up with the producers and the rest of the cast. Jenelle is the one who has imposed the ban upon her mother. She doesn't want to be around her. Who is Barb supposed to hang around with while on the set of the reunion if not the other cast members? I am sure Leah appreciated having that funny conversation and sit-down with Barb since it didn't appear as if Leah had anyone with her on this trip. Jenelle had to revert to her childhood to remember how much she wanted her mother's attention instead of taking advantage of the fact she is blessed to still have her mother now.

What Jenelle is likely omitting is the fact her mother has worked her ass off at a job to keep her children fed and with a roof over her head. Barb stayed in a violent relationship until she could establish credit to buy a home. Once she did, she left the relationship. Jenelle wouldn't know what it entails to work hard and maintain a home because she has had six figures handed to her for 7 years. She has no work ethic. Barb worked tirelessly and was probably dead tired when she was home. I don't see Barb having spent her days off with girlfriends and going on vacations. For all I know, she likely had a second part-time job in order to pay the mortgage. She likely spent her days off tending to household duties, running errands, appointments, and running to juvenile hall each time one of her kids got into trouble. Barb is far from perfect, and I imagine there was very little time for chilling out and playing board games with her kids.

As a single parent to my daughter since she was born, I side with Barb. Jenelle has not had to work her ass off to feed and put a roof over the heads of her children. She lays around and complains about her mother when she needs to be appreciating her for the hard work and for stepping up to raise her son. Jenelle needs to stop being selfish and drop the custody battle for her son's sake. Barb is no saint, but I understand her frustration with her daughter. She works, is tired and is trying to look out for Jace's best interest and worried about her daughter. In the past, yes, she wasn't the best mother, but I understand being tired after working two jobs, trying to pay the bills, worried about your kids. Yes she probably had a short fuze, I know I did. Jenelle will never appreciate what and how hard her mother worked because she is still like a 14 year old sulking about a sweater being ruined. Jenelle still needs to grow up and not fight with her mother and leave Jace where he is.

[politichick]

2 hours ago, Lm2162 said:

Kailyn needs to spare us the self righteousness. 

If I were Vee, I'd honestly be so pissed at Jo for not backing me up and for having his head in the sand. 

I felt so bad for Jace. This is what he goes through all the time. Yes Jenelle is the freaking worst, but Barb was also so wrong for throwing that tantrum and for blaming him for going with Jenelle. He was confused!! What is he supposed to do or think? He's constantly being passed between them. He's just a kid and they want him involved in their drama! 

She didn't blame Jace for going with the fools. She asked him why he left with them, as any upset parent would, but immediately dropped it. Jenelle is the worst person in the whole fucking world and I wish the producers would say, Bitch, bye, and just film with Barb and Jace, which would be so much more enjoyable. I love watching them do fun things together and Jace playing tricks on his meme. 

I think as someone noted up thread that Jo says/does what he has to to keep the peace with Kailyn because he knows what a crazy, vindictive bitch she can be, but he's taking notes. Just like he knew what she was up to marrying Javi and that it wouldn't last, but kept his mouth shut. And he doesn't try to stop Vee from speaking the truth, either.

[DangerousMinds]

Why does Jace even have his own phone (to text) at his age?

[crazychicken]

Sure there was no food

[Mkay]

6 minutes ago, crazychicken said:

Sure there was no food

Bahahahahaha Great find!!

[GreatKazu]

25 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:

Craft service probably doubles down with food for everyone including half of the cast being pregnant. 

If there is one thing that is a constant on any stage or set, is food. I have been to many tapings of sitcom pilots, and tv talks shows and there is always food and drink for the audience members. They tend to have lots of fruit, water, juice, snack foods, chips, sometimes sandwiches, etc. That is just for the audience. The food that I have seen for the cast and crew which was sometimes visible from my view is pretty damn awesome. They have had chicken, veggies, pasta, fruits, salads, the works.

15 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Why does Jace even have his own phone (to text) at his age?

I don't think he does. I believe he uses Barb's phone. I just posted this somewhere on one of these topics. If Jace were texting, Barb would have proof on her phone and Jenelle would have proof on her phone as well. Strange how Jenelle never shares these texts to her social media page as proof.

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Janelles best quality?  She's well spoken and educated. Enough said.

@iwasish  Well spoken? I suppose since Jenelle says "well" so many times when she speaks..."Well, mom..." "Well, I would if I had Jace", "Well, I don't care!!!!"  As for being educated, I am stumped.

Edited March 21, 2017 by GreatKazu

[Lizz]

It makes me sick that Kail has her "brand."  Brand of butt implants?

I'm wondering how Leah is doing in college.  Has she actually started or just proclaiming constantly that she's going?  I question how she was accepted in the first place.  This school requires ACT or SAT.  I have tutored for both and those tests are not easy....especially for someone who has been out of school several years. I hope she succeeds but I think it's going to be tougher than she thinks.  

[ClassyCourtHeels]

3 minutes ago, Lizz said:

It makes me sick that Kail has her "brand."  Brand of butt implants?

I'm wondering how Leah is doing in college.  Has she actually started or just proclaiming constantly that she's going?  I question how she was accepted in the first place.  This school requires ACT or SAT.  I have tutored for both and those tests are not easy....especially for someone who has been out of school several years. I hope she succeeds but I think it's going to be tougher than she thinks.  

Leah has been radio silent about college the last few weeks after constantly snapping about it. Tells me she already dropped out.

[Lizz]

16 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

Why does Jace even have his own phone (to text) at his age?

Just another lie. If Jace ever said he wanted to live with Janelle and David, it would be because they have scared and intimidated him into saying so.  

[Pepper Mostly]

11 minutes ago, Lizz said:

Just another lie. If Jace ever said he wanted to live with Janelle and David, it would be because they have scared and intimidated him into saying so.  

Yes, this. Jenelle texts him saying "don't you want to come and live with me?" and poor little Jace texts back "yes" because what else can he do? Jenelle is beneath contempt. But she does provide great lines. "I want my mother to nurture me and give me love!" We say that around my house all the time now.

[GreatKazu]

23 minutes ago, Lizz said:

Just another lie. If Jace ever said he wanted to live with Janelle and David, it would be because they have scared and intimidated him into saying so.  

UBT to Jace: "Do you want to live with us Jace? 5...4...3...2..."

Jace: "Yeah"

[Uncle JUICE]

15 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

UBT to Jace: "Do you want to live with us Jace? 5...4...3...2..."

Jace: "Yeah"

Ouch. True story, I bet :(

[Jax7917]

That countdown that David did made the episode. Lol They are such trash.

Please oh please get Dr. Phil to host the reunions.

[Nancybeth]

I love how Kail and Janelle and Leah and Chelsea looked like they were dressed for two entirely different events.  Kail and Janelle were both wearing jeans and a jacket or cardigan and Leah and Chelsea were wearing black cocktail dresses!  Like, hello, wardrobe people, what are you doing?

[kira28]

Janelle needs to be let go from the show. She musta had a court case coming up because she was laying it on soo thick. Jace texts her every day and says he wants to come live with her? Lmao. Please... That kid looks terrified at the thought of living with Janelle. He never looks happy around her. It's funny because she can dangle all the dirt bikes video games and sweets in front of Jace and he still wants to stay with barb. He knows who loves him. Loved that the show called the cops on one of their own "stars". I wish barb would have remained calm. Janelle can lose me with the whole barb was neglecting Jace and wasn't watching him. Um barb was filming and Jace was safely in the green room watching TV. There was probably a producer watching him. He's seven not say.. Kaiser's age. So Janelle doesn't have to watch or interact with Kaiser and Jace can play in the street while Janelle and David are locked in a bedroom but barb is supposed to have Jace attached to her hip at all times? 

I thought the girl that squealed and ran to greet Chelsea was one of the crazy producers lol. I didn't recognize that it was Kail til I noticed the tattoos! She looked decent cleaned up.  Leah didn't seem drugged out of her mind but wow she looks so old!! I did like Leah saying Janelle gets paid for this and she should be there. 

The one thing that infuriates me about barb is she needs to realize Janelle is just as much part of the problem as all the guys she dates. 

Vee and Kail sitting side by side. Wow! Kail looks like the cross between miss piggy and a bull dog. She's downright ugly next to Vee who is by far imo the most beautiful girl on this show. Vee is stunning. Kail is such a bitch. Jo has Issac at least 50% of the time. Technicalky he should have 50/50 and pay no child support. But Kail has run out of babysitters and demands Jo be one but he can't dare want to be a responsible parent. And Issac can see java as dad and call him that but Issac is none of vees business. Whatever Kail. 

Everything about Janelle infuriates me. I hope they fire her. 

Edited March 21, 2017 by kira28

[StatisticalOutlier]

1 hour ago, Mkay said:

Papa Randy also tweeted that they cater and have tear food and snacks all day long.  Ha! He didn't direct that to Jenelle but you can tell why he tweeted it. 

I can't tell why he tweets anything.  He really needs to stop.

[DudeLeaveMeAlone]

Hopefully one of the snarkier followers of Jenelle can ask her for proof of those texts. It would be so awesome to see her try to get around that.

[ghoulina]

2 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Barb still has a glimmer of hope for Jenelle. She hopes there will be a healthy relationship between them. Barb knows Dave won't be around forever. When the guy leaves the picture, Jenelle and Barb have a somewhat better relationship. That is what Barb keeps hoping for and by pressing charges she is afraid Jenelle will cut her off forever.

This. But the problem is, Barb falsely assumes that she has a better relationship with single Jenelle because these big, evil men are controlling her and turning her into a nasty person. Granted, these dudes can be controlling - David, especially. But Jenelle is a horrible person with or without the men. It's just that when the men aren't around to validate her and care for her kids, she needs Barb to do that. She USES Barb, and Barb just doesn't get it. I can't really hate on the woman. This is her child and it's sometimes hard to see them as they really are. 

 

2 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

I agree, but that announcement was just stupid.  They don't even know what college is, and even if they did, they probably wouldn't care.  Leah ended up choosing between cosmetology school and this college--it's not like she's fulfilling a lifelong dream of reading history at Oxford.  She's a simple girl and I should be sympathetic, but it just grates every time she lights up about being accepted to college and going to classes and finally doing something for herself.  Check back in four years.

Leah's kids know she has no follow-through. So they weren't there for that stupid announcement. I can't say I blame them. Gracie will finish college before Leah. 

 

1 hour ago, politichick said:

She didn't blame Jace for going with the fools. She asked him why he left with them, as any upset parent would, but immediately dropped it.

I think she was kind of hoping that he'd rat them out - tell her that they flat-out MADE him come. Or let on that they somehow manipulated him. But when she saw how upset his face was, she let it go. There's no winning with those two anyhow, they'll always try and spin it. 

 

49 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

UBT to Jace: "Do you want to live with us Jace? 5...4...3...2..."

Jace: "Yeah"

Exactly. His MO is threatening and intimidating women and children. The smaller and younger, the better. A baby in utero is best. 

Edited March 21, 2017 by ghoulina

[Snarky McSnarky]

2 hours ago, Mkay said:

Papa Randy also tweeted that they cater and have tear food and snacks all day long.  Ha! He didn't direct that to Jenelle but you can tell why he tweeted it. 

If anybody's going to be tuned in to the availability of snacks all day long, Randy's the man.

[poeticlicensed]

7 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

But the problem is, Barb falsely assumes that she has a better relationship with single Jenelle because these big, evil men are controlling her and turning her into a nasty person. Granted, these dudes can be controlling - David, especially. But Jenelle is a horrible person with or without the men. It's just that when the men aren't around to validate her and care for her kids, she needs Barb to do that. She USES Barb, and Barb just doesn't get it. I can't really hate on the woman. This is her child and it's sometimes hard to see them as they really are.

Yes. Barb will never close the door on Janelle, no matter how horribly Janelle treats her. Given her past, she could easily close the door on Jenelle and prevent her from having any access to Jace. But Barb won't do that. I agree, she blames Janelle's problems on the horrible guys, but Janelle picks them, every one of them. When the common denominator in all your shittty relationships is you, a person with the tiniest amount of introspection might just wonder wtf they are doing that makes them gravitate to losers. But insight is not in Janelle's wheelhouse. I'd like to see Barb go to a counselor/life coach  who could work through her own feelings about Janelle and hopefully that process can give her the  strength to draw some firm boundaries with Janelle. Barb should have had UBT arrested if there was cause. But Barb can't bring herself to do that. A good counselor might be able to help her with that.     

[CerealKiller813]

2 hours ago, crazychicken said:

 

I can't even with this girl, what absolute crap that she only left for food I am pretty sure that MTV would have had more than enough food there to cater for all the freakin people needed there for the taping. Funny that Leah & Barb found food to eat while having a chat guess they given the star treatment by MTV and excluded poor Janelle again. Plus if nobody was allowed to leave until the end doesn't that just prove that Barb should have felt safe to leave Jace with her and not do a runner with him

 

I had to wade through so much leg humping I feel ill now.

There was food in her room! I saw the baskets of various snacks and stuff. Also, David could t go get something or what about her best bud producer Kristen? Janelle, stop with the lies. 

Her and KailSmash live in Lie City

[GreatKazu]

5 minutes ago, CerealKiller813 said:

 

Her and KailSmash live in Lie City

Love this.

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This. But the problem is, Barb falsely assumes that she has a better relationship with single Jenelle because these big, evil men are controlling her and turning her into a nasty person. Granted, these dudes can be controlling - David, especially. But Jenelle is a horrible person with or without the men. It's just that when the men aren't around to validate her and care for her kids, she needs Barb to do that. She USES Barb, and Barb just doesn't get it. I can't really hate on the woman. This is her child and it's sometimes hard to see them as they really are. 

Right. Barb is always blaming the guy without seeing how much Jenelle is as much at fault. I tend to think it is because as volatile as Jenelle and Barb are with each other when there is no boyfriend around, it is what Barb is accustomed to.  Better to have a relationship than no relationship at all.

So true about how a parent will see their children differently than how others outside the family will see them. Barb wants the same thing from Jenelle that Jenelle wants from Barb, but how they each go about it ends up affecting Jace.

[ReadMeLattice]

Frankly I don't see the "Jo is just doing this to make nice with Kail" thing. Maybe that's the reason, but right now he's coming across as perpetually on her side. Whatever the reason, that would not please me if I was Vee. I get that he wants time with his son, but if he took it to court, it wouldn't matter what Kail's attitude was...It would be guaranteed regardless of how she decided to act.  Vee is being a lot smarter about this than he is. She has Kailyn's number and knows he should lock it down. 

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[lidarose9]

Non-violent criminals like Wall Street executives convicted of cheating clients should be sentenced to work as Teen Mom producers. That must truly be the Job From Hell. 

[AmyFarrahFowler]

3 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

I think it had to do more with the threat of the police being called and them catching a whiff of marijuana.

Barb has to want to press charges against Jenelle, which she didn't. Barb may have the copy of it on her phone, but we know she won't press charges against Jenelle so there is really no need to have proof of the custody order if there is no intent to follow through on her threats.

Barb still has a glimmer of hope for Jenelle. She hopes there will be a healthy relationship between them. Barb knows Dave won't be around forever. When the guy leaves the picture, Jenelle and Barb have a somewhat better relationship. That is what Barb keeps hoping for and by pressing charges she is afraid Jenelle will cut her off forever.

I would agree except that Barb said twice at the hotel that the police needed to be called.

[BXD]

Did anyone notice a tweet Jenelle retweeted that called David "Superman" for protecting his woman?? How do people see his behavior as something noble and not abusive/creepy/awful/mean/nasty/manipulative/etc???

[GreatKazu]

12 minutes ago, AmyFarrahFowler said:

I would agree except that Barb said twice at the hotel that the police needed to be called.

She did, but the producers had already called the police before they left the studio parking lot. My money is that MTV was trying to cover their ass for allowing Jenelle to leave with Jace knowing she wasn't allowed to take him.  I believe the producer also texted Jenelle that Barb was calling the police.

[Mkay]

2 hours ago, Nancybeth said:

I love how Kail and Janelle and Leah and Chelsea looked like they were dressed for two entirely different events.  Kail and Janelle were both wearing jeans and a jacket or cardigan and Leah and Chelsea were wearing black cocktail dresses!  Like, hello, wardrobe people, what are you doing?

The girls pick out and bring their own outfits. ? They need wardrobe people. Hahaha

[Christina87]

5 hours ago, CofCinci said:

I agree. 

Jo always looks at Kail with loving eyes. Dude would take her back in a heartbeat (no way she'd have him and his bag of nothing though). He will always put Kail's psychological safety above everyone else -- not because it benefits his son but because it's what he wants to do.  Vee and their daughter are low on his priority list. He does nothing to validate or support Vee's legitimate, reasonable concerns about the unstable parenting schedule.  She gave up her life and support structure to move with Jo so he could be closer to his son. Vee's role in Isaac's life is purposefully unrecognized by Kail as it does not support her Brand.  She's the single mother doing it all on her own. Don't look behind the curtain and see the stepmother who is also tying her best to raise Isaac.   Vee is also going to school and has a baby. While I'm sure they get a little TM money, it's probably not enough for day care.  You don't hear her crying about how hard it is to be a student-mother. 

Step-parents often don't get the credit they deserve and are left without a seat at the table when it comes to discussing the heavy issues.  If Jo doesn't start supporting Vee when Kail is in bully mode, he will loose her.  She'll go back to her family in NJ with the baby. Kail will leave the area in pursuit of her Brand.  Jo will be left alone and his children will be on different coasts. 

I couldn't agree more!!! Does anybody else feel that if Vee hadn't gotten pregnant, she and Jo would have probably broken up when he moved? I got the feeling that Jo loved her, but wasn't serious enough about her to expect her to uproot her own life when he moved closer to Isaac. It probably would have been one of those "I love you, and I really hate that it has to end like this, but you would be miserable away from your family and I can't ask you to do that" breakups. Vee, however, was on a different page and fully expected them to be together forever, no matter what had to happen. If she hadn't gotten pregnant right then, I doubt they would have stayed together. Vee is GORGEOUS, and I don't understand why, but she and the baby have always seemed low on Jo's priority list, even though ironically I do think their relationship is more likely to go the distance than any relationship currently on TM2.