S01.E07: Chapter Seven: In a Lonely Place

[Tara Ariano]

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The destruction of an important piece of evidence triggers new speculation as to whom murdered Jason; things intensify when Jughead's father gets back into the fray, which reveals unsolved issues between him and Fred. Meanwhile, in the aftermath of her fight with Hermione, Veronica decides to take matters into her own hands; and Cheryl makes an unexpected proposal to Betty.

[jay741982]

Wonder what the unexpected proposal to Betty is from Cheryl?

[Advance35]

Ok she is TOTALLY a spoiled, vain, self-absorbed drama queen but I FLOVE Veronica Lodge.  Her outfit during the polly hunt was exquisite and stood out.  And I continue to love her friendship with Kevin.   I don't doubt the friendship Veronica has with Archie and Betty.  But I think they like her DESPITE how toned deaf and "snobby" she can come across.  I think the self-centered and flightiness are some of the reasons Kevin likes her so much.   The actor just gives off the vibe that he genuinely gets a kick out of Veronica, even when she does come across all "Me. Me. Glorious Me."  and it's infectious because I always smile during their scenes.   Though even when the show displays the conceit we always see that Veronica really does have a good heart since she was nice enough to take Polly in.

I love the foursome of Kevin, Veronica, Reggi and Josie. LOL.  The dancing actually looked really fun and not all shows can pull that off.   I'm glad the show didn't just one and done Veronica and Josie's friendship.  Which still presently surprises me because I would've thought that Veronica/Josie would have had a more Veronica/Cheryl dynamic  And it was even cool to see a little more of Reggi.  We've been shown he's a meathead but his heart seems to usually be in the right place.  I concur with Veronica in that he is suitable arm candy.

It was awesome to see Cheryl again.  I'm glad she was able to maneuver her way back onto the Rivervixens.  I think in the endgame, however it shakes out, she'll probably prove herself more villainous than heroine but she is definitely one of the characters I always enjoy seeing.

I wasn't especially interested in Jughead/Betty, Archie and their fathers.  The most interesting scenes in that section of the show was the scenes with The Blossoms, The Coopers and Jugheads father only interested me when we saw that Jacket in his closet.

Cool Episode.

[Primetimer]

Jughead's bad dad is all over this episode, while Polly emerges from hiding...for a while.

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[Chaos Theory]

Hey everyone Fred and Archie were almost interesting this episode.  Jinkies!

Betty seriously don't trust the Blossoms.  No really DONT TRUST THE BLOSSOMs.  Well you can trust Cheryl.  Plot twist.

[jay741982]

Very good Episode I enjoyed all the Storys/Characters. Really liked Archie Fred and Of course Betty being there for Jughead. I'm wondering what the Hell is Jason's Varsity Jacket doing with FP? Is he the one who set the car on fire?  I'm sorry my Betthead Shipperness was coming out with their cuteness. Not an official couple yet holding hands. Liked the Veronica/Josie/Kevin/Reggie Quartet. Also good to hear that Jugheads mom and Jellybean are OK. I was dreading Betty letting Polly stay with The Blossoms as I felt something bad might happen. Thank god Cheryl warned them and glad that Veronica and Hermione hooked Polly up with staying at the hotel. 

9 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

Hey everyone Fred and Archie were almost interesting this episode.  Jinkies!

Betty seriously don't trust the Blossoms.  No really DONT TRUST THE BLOSSOMs.  Well you can trust Cheryl.  Plot twist.

Yeah I was SMH at Betty. I was like GIRL DONT TRUST THEM THEY ARE EVIL!! 

[Grumpymonkey]

I really like Cheryl, she amuses the hell out of me, owns her ish and still has a little bit of vulnerability that I can root for her. I missed her last week.  Enjoyed every scene of her this week. 

I thought the scenes with Jughead and his dad were super heavy handed along with the scene of jughead in the sheriffs's office. Wasn't feeling it and I'm not enjoying bughead as much as I thought I would. Felt like betty was kind of shoehorned into some scenes that were about Archie/Jughead and their dads. 

I think Archie means well but always says the wrong thing at the worst moments. But I still like that he and his dad are good people. I don't find them as boring as most do. Glad Jughead is living with the Andrews for now. 

I did like the opening scene where everyone was discussing Polly and how everyone was together and them all at the end, I want everyone interacting more. 

Probably shouldn't leave your murder board out in the open at school.

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[indiscutable]

20 minutes ago, PreviouslyTV said:

Jughead's bad dad is all over this episode, while Polly emerges from hiding...for a while.

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I'm confused. When did Kevin not like Veronica? The recap mentions it multiple times. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Grumpymonkey said:

I really like Cheryl, she amuses the hell out of me, owns her ish and still has a little bit of vulnerability that I can root for her. I missed her last week.  Enjoyed every scene of her this week. 

I thought the scenes with Jughead and his dead were super heavy handed along with the scene of jughead in the sheriffs's office. Wasn't feeling it and I'm not enjoying bughead as much as I thought I would. Felt like betty was kind of shoehorned into some scenes that were about Archie/Jughead and their dads. 

I think Archie means well but always says the wrong thing at the worst moments. But I still like that he and his dad are good people. I don't find them as boring as most do. Glad Jughead is living with the Andrews for now. 

I did like the opening scene where everyone was discussing Polly and how everyone was together and them all at the end, I want everyone interacting more. 

Probably shouldn't leave your murder board out in the open at school.

Cheryl's #PollyKilledMyBrother and #SharpenYourPitchforks were excellent. 

I really enjoyed Jughead/FP scenes. They resonated for me. And I think that they were important to foil Archie/Fred. I especially liked that it all underlined that none of them is all good or all bad. That there are a lot of ambiguities and that everyone has some secrets. Important to maintain the film noir vibe. 

And I did feel the Bughead scenes. I like that the scenes speak to the awkwardness of people who are inexperienced and emotionally stunted. I didn't feel like she was shoe-horned in because we know that Betty and Jughead have been drawn to one another as the rest of their support systems have fallen short. Not loving Archie's jealous looks though!

[dippydee]

16 minutes ago, Chaos Theory said:

Betty seriously don't trust the Blossoms.  No really DONT TRUST THE BLOSSOMs.  

Right!!? I'm surprised she fell for their act so quickly. You'd think being Alice Cooper's daughter would teach you to recognise the warning signs when it comes to shifty parentals. I'm glad Cheryl's on the up and up though. It makes sense she would want to protect the last piece of Jason.

I have to say I'm totally onboard with Jughead/Betty (I refuse to use their ridiculous ship name). They were all kinds of sweet and adorable this episode. I'm sure it's going to end in tears (probably mine) but I'm along for the ride. The scene with them walking home holding hands and that little kiss at the end of it? So fricking cute.

25 minutes ago, Advance35 said:

Ok she is TOTALLY a spoiled, vain, self-absorbed drama queen but I FLOVE Veronica Lodge.  

I adored her this episode. I enjoyed her mind games with Hermione. I guess that's some of the old Veronica peeking through the newly nice girl act. Clearly the girl is born to scheme and bend people to her will. It was beautiful.

Archie was a lot better this episode too. I guess I like him in stories that aren't about him.

[memememe76]

Three weeks until the next new episode? THREE WEEKS?!?! 

I loved every single part of the episode. I am loving the depth of Skeet and Luke's friendship. So much intrigue. 

I love how well the cast interacts with each other. Veronica has had meaningful scenes with pretty much every teen character on the show, even Reggie. I do find it interesting that Reggie was dancing with Kevin.

[CletusMusashi]

Everyone typing "FP" keeps making me think I'm on the "Walking Dead" forum.

Count me as another person who doesn't remember a Kevin/Veronica fight. Was it over the drive-in thing? Because if she's been complaining about the forgery, that might explain it.

Why was Archie lurking around the school at night? I mean, we know Jughead was sleeping there, but what's Archie's story? On second thought, don't tell me. I'm sure the deleted scene was about fifteen minutes long and extremely boring. I don't mind skipping over half of the Archie show this week. Unless it involves werewolves.

[angora]

Okay, so Jughead living in the janitor's closet was obviously sad, but the close-up shot of Kafka's Metamorphosis cracked me up.  Like, of COURSE Jughead is reading Kafka in the janitor's closet - such a perfect little character detail.  I was looking forward to this storyline, but it didn't quite gel for me.  The stuff with Jughead's dad didn't feel authentic OR over-the-top-in-a-good-way.  The actors did their best to sell it, but there wasn't too much there.  (Although I did love the fact that Jughead's dad is called FP, which I'm taking as definite proof that Jughead and his dad are both named Forsythe.)

I'm glad we got a bit more of Archie and Jughead being friends, including Archie being there for Jughead (even though he quickly blundered into a minefield by asking FP about the history between him and Fred - oh, Archie.)  I'm disappointed, though, that we didn't get much of Betty's reaction to everything going on with Jughead.  Narratively, Betty and Jughead haven't had much of a chance to breathe yet in terms of figuring out what's between them, so the moments with them here were still kind of tinged with that "What is this exactly?" awkwardness.  I'm a little worried that Jughead is more into Betty than she is to him; I'm hoping it's more just a product of that uncertainty/confusion and clearly being preoccupied with everything happening with Polly.

Speaking of, I liked the parallel scenes we got of Betty assuring Polly that their parents will be supportive then realizing their true intentions for the baby, followed by Cheryl assuring Betty that HER parents will be supportive before realizing the truth.  I liked Betty figuring out where Polly was hiding, and Veronica coming in at the end with the assist was nice - it was good to see the girls working together to help protect Polly.  Oh, and side note - that shot of the Blossoms descending on the search for Polly, decked out like they were on a fox hunt, was glorious.

Veronica's plot wasn't one of my favorites, but I appreciated both how calculated she was in her acting out and that she was angling for a negotiation rather than a concession from Hermione.  The scenes of her dancing with Josie, Kevin, and Reggie looked fun, and I felt for her when she was telling them about how betrayed she felt by Hermione.

Sheriff Keller may still be a good dad, but he's not doing too hot as a sheriff.  Suspecting a 15-year-old boy of murder on the basis of 1) something stupid and irresponsible he did when he was, what, 9?, 2) getting bullied by football players, and 3) being "from a family on the wrong side of the tracks?"  Yeesh.

[jay741982]

27 minutes ago, indiscutable said:

I'm confused. When did Kevin not like Veronica? The recap mentions it multiple times. 

 

 

Cheryl's #PollyKilledMyBrother and #SharpenYourPitchforks were excellent. 

I really enjoyed Jughead/FP scenes. They resonated for me. And I think that they were important to foil Archie/Fred. I especially liked that it all underlined that none of them is all good or all bad. That there are a lot of ambiguities and that everyone has some secrets. Important to maintain the film noir vibe. 

And I did feel the Bughead scenes. I like that the scenes speak to the awkwardness of people who are inexperienced and emotionally stunted. I didn't feel like she was shoe-horned in because we know that Betty and Jughead have been drawn to one another as the rest of their support systems have fallen short. Not loving Archie's jealous looks though!

For real I was like Archie you fuckboy YOU DONT GET TO BE JEALOUS! 

[ybrik]

I don't think Archie was there at night. I am presuming that it was the morning and if it was Archie was probably there if the football team has before school practice.

Yet again the Lodges tete-a-tete was overly dramatic but still more healthy than anything by the Blossoms or the Coopers. I am really curious who they are going to cast as Hiram.

Okay kids not a good idea discussing private matters in a student lounge. Of course, the secret of Polly was going to come out.

Oh Sheriff Keller I was giving you credit last week for being a good dad but you had to mess it up by being a bad TV cop. Seriously interrogating a minor without parents being there again. You did the same thing with Cheryl in episode 3.

Interesting info about FP/Fred. Can kind of see both sides. Also was kind of hoping that their band was going to turn out being called the Archie's.

[Dee]

I need Veronica, Josie, Reggie & Kevin to go clubbing in every episode. That was all kinds of glorious.

The Blossoms showing up to search for Polly dressed for a foxhunt was indeed priceless. Never change, Blossom Family.

Fred & FP were interesting. Between macking on a married ex and low balling an old friend, Fred is looking less & less pure by the minute. Wonder if history will repeat itself with Archie & Jughead. 

Fred & Archie are the Alan & Cory Matthews to Jughead & FP's Chet & Shawn Hunter.

Even when he's grubby and filthy, Skeet Ulrich remains uber cute.

Jughead & Betty are still sweet but he seems way more into her than she is to him.

Cheryl is gonna get herself in trouble trying to play both ends against the middle.

Polly is way too old to be running around like Ricki Lake in Cry Baby.

[Lady Calypso]

More female interactions! Sweet! I enjoyed the foursome of Veronica, Josie, Reggie, and Kevin. It was fun.

Jughead is definitely more interested in Betty than she is in him, which is a damn shame. I think on her side, it's merely coming from an emotional time. Not that she can't have feelings for him down the road, but I can see their inevitable break-up soon enough. Well, I still ship them so maybe it'll happen for real down the road. 

On the other hand, jealous Archie that they're hinting toward? Yeah, not here for that. Dude, you turned her down. Chill it with the looks. At least now that he's back with the main cast, he's become a little more interesting.

Blossoms vs Coopers is going to be a fun dynamic, I can just tell. The power struggle is what's making this interesting. I also enjoyed the dynamic between FP and Fred. Good information that does make Fred a little worse, though he is still a good dad...for now.

I did love that the gang talking "quietly" in public actually backfired. Kevin had more of a personality this episode, which was nice. 

[indiscutable]

57 minutes ago, angora said:

 

I'm glad we got a bit more of Archie and Jughead being friends, including Archie being there for Jughead (even though he quickly blundered into a minefield by asking FP about the history between him and Fred - oh, Archie.)  I'm disappointed, though, that we didn't get much of Betty's reaction to everything going on with Jughead.  Narratively, Betty and Jughead haven't had much of a chance to breathe yet in terms of figuring out what's between them, so the moments with them here were still kind of tinged with that "What is this exactly?" awkwardness.  I'm a little worried that Jughead is more into Betty than she is to him; I'm hoping it's more just a product of that uncertainty/confusion and clearly being preoccupied with everything happening with Polly.

 

 

32 minutes ago, Dee said:

Jughead & Betty are still sweet but he seems way more into her than she is to him.

 

I also would have liked some scene for them to assess their relationship. But I think it was entirely realistic for people their age. Like Jughead saying that walking someone home is what "people like us" do. To me that felt very real for teenagers. 

I don't read them as them having unequal feelings for one another.  Betty shows vulnerability to him, trust in him, and the desire to help him/comfort him. And she is affectionate to him. Her unthinking reaction to him putting her arm around her was not to stiffen, but to put her hand on his. Her reaction to Veronica asking about Jughead was kind of shy and cute. Not like "yeah, um, whatever".

She may be distracted, but her pregnant sister was in danger the entire episode. 

But I do understand where y'all would get that reading from since Jughead is the personification of the heart eyes emoji in some of their scenes. 

[ruby24]

32 minutes ago, indiscutable said:

But I do understand where y'all would get that reading from since Jughead is the personification of the heart eyes emoji in some of their scenes. 

Yeah, I see that too, lol. 

I don't want him to get his heart broken. But I think Betty is into him. To me it reads like this might be the first romance for both of them, and they're sort of easing into it. It's so cute.

[WhosThatGirl]

I'm all here for the Bughead romance. I like the slow build we have going on there and I hope it isn't a stop gap. Both actuallly seem to like each other, but both also have major important other things going on, like terrible parents and pregnant sisters needing homes. So priorities.

Archie was actually okay tonight. I actually enjoyed him tonight.

I wish I knew what they were doing with the Cheryl character. I can't figure it out.

Edited March 10, 2017 by WhosThatGirl

[Oscirus]

So they finally start developing Archie Jughead and then for some ungodly reason they shoehorn in a Betty   Jughead prison sorta kinda "romantic" scene. Priorities, writers.

I assume that scene at the beginning was some sort of wink to comic book fans since there's no scenario under which Jughead would think that he stabbed Archie in the back.

I like that the characters are starting to separate more into their comic book personas.

Cheryl is literally a plot point at this juncture, she basically aligns with either the "good" side or the "evil" side based on what's needed to move the plot forward.

Can Jughead be anymore friend zoned at this point?  He's pretty much the guy in the romantic movie who the female starts off with because he's safe and really nice.

The Veronica actress fucked up and threw some good acting in that "stole my name" scene. It's alright, just don't let it happen again.

Hermonia does realize that  regardless of whether or not she admitted to forging her daughter's signature that it would be blatantly obvious that she voted against Hiram's interests. Right?

It seems that our Ronnie is a daddy's girl. 

Oh hi Reggie, great to see they're still wasting you. Bye Reggie.

I love that Archie's idolized his dead and now he's realizing his dad isn't perfect. I also love that his father's mistakes are bleeding into his relationships.

Apparently Polly and Betty are the only two people in town with any hide and seek skills.

So did the sheriff think that Jughead  set the car on fire and then bought the sheriff's attention to it to throw the cops off his track?

I guess we're supposed to be acknowledging that obvious red herring they left at the end of the episode.  If you want me to actually think that dad did something, try harder. 

So moms leaving their sons in Riverdale is apparently a thing. 

[methodwriter85]

2 hours ago, Dee said:

Polly is way too old to be running around like Ricki Lake in Cry Baby.

Polly is presumably still under the age of 18 given that her parents were able to commit her to a home for Unwed Mothers, and Jason was going into either his junior or senior year when he got murdered. Remember, Archie and co. are about "15". The actress really needs to tone done her accent. I thought I was watching Degrassi for a moment.

[ketose]

4 hours ago, angora said:

Okay, so Jughead living in the janitor's closet was obviously sad, but the close-up shot of Kafka's Metamorphosis cracked me up.  Like, of COURSE Jughead is reading Kafka in the janitor's closet - such a perfect little character detail.  I was looking forward to this storyline, but it didn't quite gel for me.  The stuff with Jughead's dad didn't feel authentic OR over-the-top-in-a-good-way.  The actors did their best to sell it, but there wasn't too much there.  (Although I did love the fact that Jughead's dad is called FP, which I'm taking as definite proof that Jughead and his dad are both named Forsythe.)

I'm glad we got a bit more of Archie and Jughead being friends, including Archie being there for Jughead (even though he quickly blundered into a minefield by asking FP about the history between him and Fred - oh, Archie.)  I'm disappointed, though, that we didn't get much of Betty's reaction to everything going on with Jughead.  Narratively, Betty and Jughead haven't had much of a chance to breathe yet in terms of figuring out what's between them, so the moments with them here were still kind of tinged with that "What is this exactly?" awkwardness.  I'm a little worried that Jughead is more into Betty than she is to him; I'm hoping it's more just a product of that uncertainty/confusion and clearly being preoccupied with everything happening with Polly.

Speaking of, I liked the parallel scenes we got of Betty assuring Polly that their parents will be supportive then realizing their true intentions for the baby, followed by Cheryl assuring Betty that HER parents will be supportive before realizing the truth.  I liked Betty figuring out where Polly was hiding, and Veronica coming in at the end with the assist was nice - it was good to see the girls working together to help protect Polly.  Oh, and side note - that shot of the Blossoms descending on the search for Polly, decked out like they were on a fox hunt, was glorious.

Veronica's plot wasn't one of my favorites, but I appreciated both how calculated she was in her acting out and that she was angling for a negotiation rather than a concession from Hermione.  The scenes of her dancing with Josie, Kevin, and Reggie looked fun, and I felt for her when she was telling them about how betrayed she felt by Hermione.

Sheriff Keller may still be a good dad, but he's not doing too hot as a sheriff.  Suspecting a 15-year-old boy of murder on the basis of 1) something stupid and irresponsible he did when he was, what, 9?, 2) getting bullied by football players, and 3) being "from a family on the wrong side of the tracks?"  Yeesh.

I think the stuff with Jughead and his dad was there to get him moved into the Andrews' home. Plus, I think he and Betty are clinging to each other as a response to their own issues.

The fox hunt image during the search was pretty funny.

Does anyone stay at the Riverdale hotel? One would presume Hermoine should get some income from that place. Polly sure isn't going to pay rent. It's funny. Veronica and Jughead are in similar situations. They still want to have families again, even though it's unlikely.

This week Archie was actually in the Riverdale where a murder mystery is unfolding, even if it is only on the periphery.

[VCRTracking]

Poor Jughead. Glad he has a place to stay.

I share the sentiments of this Tumblr post

4 hours ago, indiscutable said:

I'm confused. When did Kevin not like Veronica? The recap mentions it multiple times. 

I remember that he didn't like when Veronica betrayed Betty in the first episode by making out with Archie in the party. When Betty forgave her though I assumed Kevin went along. Then he said about Veronica in episode 4 "Do you remember what was like before she came to town?" so he became a fan of Veronica. There are always recaps that have me wondering what show the writer was watching. Like the Stranger Things recap that said the little blonde girl was Joyce's(Winona Ryder) daughter when she was clearly shown to be Karen's daughter and Will and Nancy's sister. That drives me crazy!

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LMAO I love how Cheryl starts every episode off as a literal demon and ends up being one of the good guys less than halfway through like she CAN’T help herself

I get why Polly switched this time though. Once she found out Polly was pregnant with Jason's baby, she was willing to protect the one part of him that was still left.

Edited March 10, 2017 by VCRTracking

[kitticup]

One thing I really liked is that there were consequences to Hermoine for forging Veronica's signature.  I like that Veronica was angry.

i am loving the parents on this show.  They are interesting.  Usually with teen shows the parents are like parents in the peanuts cartoon.  Here they bring in the drama as much as the teens.  I want to know more about the parents high school days.  

I like that from episode to episode who's scenes I like best changes.  Last week I loved bug head.  Today, I liked Veronica's scenes best.  I liked that she went clubbing with other kids.  I liked the scenes with Kevin and all the scenes with her mom.

i also really liked Cheryl's scenes.

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[haje]

What this show, to me anyway, has done really well is have all the teens actually have different dynamics with each other. They've done a really good job pairing the characters off each episode which really helps fleshes out different relationships.

I do really love Betty and Jughead. Specifically what I love is the unconditional support they've given each other while every thing else in their lives are kind of falling apart. I hope the writers don't add any more unnecessary drama with Archie somehow. Speaking of Archie, I think the show is slowly figuring out what to do with him. He's really at his best when he's the dude who is kind of dumb but often well meaning and genuinely is a nice guy who cares about his friends. More of that less of the music stuff because that tends to isolate him with the rest of the main characters and I think he's at his best when interacting with them.

[Dee]

I need Neve Campbell to play Jughead's Mom & Ricardo Chavira to play Veronica's Dad.

[dippydee]

7 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

Jughead is definitely more interested in Betty than she is in him, which is a damn shame.

I think he's a little more willing to focus on it than she is. She definitely seemed into him with the little smiles and touches and the way she talked to Ronnie about it seemed like she likes him back. Betty's a little distracted trying to find her pregnant sister and stop her from being used as a pawn in a multigenerational maple syrup blood feud or worse. It tends to take a little time and energy. At least that's what I'm hoping because I don't want to see her break Jugheads heart.

4 hours ago, ketose said:

The fox hunt image during the search was pretty funny.

That was pretty hilarious. You can always count on the Blossoms to bring the dramatics. I was a little disappointed we didn't get a little more of the Coopers vs Blossoms but the promo for the next episode looks promising. I just can't believe we have to wait so long for it.

Edited March 10, 2017 by dippydee

[MarkHB]

5 hours ago, Oscirus said:

I assume that scene at the beginning was some sort of wink to comic book fans since there's no scenario under which Jughead would think that he stabbed Archie in the back.

The wardrobe was DEFINITELY comic book; Jughead's crown and the purple "S" shirt (which he was wearing under his flannel after he woke up; have we seen that before?), Archie wearing the black jacket with the big "R" letter.  My assumption re: the backstab is that he's as aware as Kevin Keller that "Archie and Betty are endgame."

I tend to side with Fred Andrews' side of the firing story; that "it's all the other guy's fault" is a very alcoholic rationalization.  I'm just trying to figure out the timeline; they made it sound like that all happened years ago but how long had Jughead been sleeping in a projection booth?

 

6 hours ago, WhosThatGirl said:

I wish I knew what they were doing with the Cheryl character. I can't figure it out.

I think it's essentially that she's a Mean Girl, but at the same time she's not truly evil in the way that her parents are.  Or maybe she knows that her homelife is wretched (she definitely seemed to hate it in the memorial service episode) and doesn't want to do that to Polly or the baby.

[chlban]

9 hours ago, memememe76 said:

Three weeks until the next new episode? THREE WEEKS?!?! 

I loved every single part of the episode. I am loving the depth of Skeet and Luke's friendship. So much intrigue. 

I love how well the cast interacts with each other. Veronica has had meaningful scenes with pretty much every teen character on the show, even Reggie. I do find it interesting that Reggie was dancing with Kevin.

They must be dragging out the season to get in on the May sweeps. That means this must be doing well in the ratings, at least by CW standards. That's good, I am enjoying all except the musical crap. They could lose all of that and I would be happy. 

[AdorkableSars]

10 hours ago, Chaos Theory said:

Hey everyone Fred and Archie were almost interesting this episode.  Jinkies!

Betty seriously don't trust the Blossoms.  No really DONT TRUST THE BLOSSOMs.  Well you can trust Cheryl.  Plot twist.

This is the most I've ever been interested in the Andrews men (boys?). I loved how worried Archie was about Jughead. Archie was finally really likable in this episode, and I though KJ Apa turned in a great performance. And it's great that Jughead is now living with the Andrews. Not holding out hope that his dad will turn his act around anytime soon, so I really appreciate that he has Archie and Fred looking after him. I'm looking forward to seeing the repair of Archie and Jughead's friendship. It's interesting that their dads were apparently best friends in high school too. Cool backstory.

9 hours ago, angora said:

I'm glad we got a bit more of Archie and Jughead being friends, including Archie being there for Jughead (even though he quickly blundered into a minefield by asking FP about the history between him and Fred - oh, Archie.)  I'm disappointed, though, that we didn't get much of Betty's reaction to everything going on with Jughead.  Narratively, Betty and Jughead haven't had much of a chance to breathe yet in terms of figuring out what's between them, so the moments with them here were still kind of tinged with that "What is this exactly?" awkwardness.  I'm a little worried that Jughead is more into Betty than she is to him; I'm hoping it's more just a product of that uncertainty/confusion and clearly being preoccupied with everything happening with Polly.

Sheriff Keller may still be a good dad, but he's not doing too hot as a sheriff.  Suspecting a 15-year-old boy of murder on the basis of 1) something stupid and irresponsible he did when he was, what, 9?, 2) getting bullied by football players, and 3) being "from a family on the wrong side of the tracks?"  Yeesh.

 

9 hours ago, Dee said:

Fred & Archie are the Alan & Cory Matthews to Jughead & FP's Chet & Shawn Hunter.

Even when he's grubby and filthy, Skeet Ulrich remains uber cute.

Jughead & Betty are still sweet but he seems way more into her than she is to him.

 

Killer "Boy Meets World" reference. So on point! And also, YES. Skeet Ulrich is hella hunky. Even when he's looking all drunk/hungover, deadbeat, and messed up.

I have to agree with those saying that it seems Jughead might be more into Betty than she is to him. However, there wasn't really a lot of focus on them specifically in this episode, so I won't put too much stock in that. She was there for him at the police station, and like some of you have pointed out, she was kind of giddy when talking to Veronica about it. The scene where he walked her home and they held hands was really sweet, as was the scene with the two of them in the interrogation room at the police station. I love that Archie seemed supportive of Jughead/Betty, but I did notice the jealous looks. Back off Arch...I'm just starting to like you! 

And yeah Sheriff Keller...it's kind of telling that a bunch of teenagers are making more headway on a murder investigation than he is. 

4 hours ago, kitticup said:

One thing I really liked is that there were consequences to Hermoine for forging Veronica's signature.  I like that Veronica was angry.

It's sad that Veronica and Hermoine have the healthiest mother/daughter relationship on this show. I like the way this played out though. They came to an understanding, and were completely honest with each other along the way.

1 hour ago, Dee said:

I need Neve Campbell to play Jughead's Mom & Ricardo Chavira to play Veronica's Dad.

ARE YOU IN MY HEAD?!?!?!?!? Ever since the trend of former teen idols playing the parents on this show began, I've been thinking that they should get Neve Campbell to play Jughead's mom. I'm kind of freaked out right now that someone else went there too!

Thought Cole Sprouse was the most impressive he's ever been in this episode acting wise. My heart was breaking for Jughead. Cole played the vulnerable moments so well, and had some light moments too which were also great. (And shallow-ly, I must say, shirtless Jughead? Yes. Please.) I love that Cheryl had a conscious, and warned Polly/Betty of her parents probable less-than-great intentions.  And the clubbing scene with Veronica/Kevin/Josie/Reggie was fantastic and fun. I want a best friend like Kevin. I just adore him more and more with each passing episode. 

One last thing: another great and super subtle Cover Girl product closeup! Riverdale is crushing the product placement game. However, am I really to believe that Alice Cooper would deign to use Cover Girl? She seems more of an Estee Laudee type. Drugstore cosmetics?! Quel dommage!!!!!!!

[maxineofarc]

13 hours ago, dippydee said:

I have to say I'm totally onboard with Jughead/Betty (I refuse to use their ridiculous ship name). They were all kinds of sweet and adorable this episode. I'm sure it's going to end in tears (probably mine) but I'm along for the ride. The scene with them walking home holding hands and that little kiss at the end of it? So fricking cute.

They're so ridiculously sweet together, and I never ship anything. I do think they're using each other as emotional backup, and that he's way more into her than she is into him (when they had their "moment" I never really thought Betty was having a Moment but Juggie definitely was).

12 hours ago, angora said:

Okay, so Jughead living in the janitor's closet was obviously sad, but the close-up shot of Kafka's Metamorphosis cracked me up.  Like, of COURSE Jughead is reading Kafka in the janitor's closet - such a perfect little character detail.  I was looking forward to this storyline, but it didn't quite gel for me.  The stuff with Jughead's dad didn't feel authentic OR over-the-top-in-a-good-way.  The actors did their best to sell it, but there wasn't too much there.  (Although I did love the fact that Jughead's dad is called FP, which I'm taking as definite proof that Jughead and his dad are both named Forsythe.)

Sheriff Keller may still be a good dad, but he's not doing too hot as a sheriff.  Suspecting a 15-year-old boy of murder on the basis of 1) something stupid and irresponsible he did when he was, what, 9?, 2) getting bullied by football players, and 3) being "from a family on the wrong side of the tracks?"  Yeesh.

I LOVED Kafka in the closet. Jughead is a type, but he's a type I really like. He can say his name is Jughead all he wants. We know the truth. (FP is Forsythe Pendleton.) I actually caught myself wondering if I could get a freeze frame on the files on Keller's desk to see if they gave his full name... I did get a glimpse of Jughead's extremely mediocre grades, so he's lying to people about that at least. I wonder if anything he said about Jellybean was true either. Why didn't his mother take both of them?

12 hours ago, ybrik said:

Oh Sheriff Keller I was giving you credit last week for being a good dad but you had to mess it up by being a bad TV cop. Seriously interrogating a minor without parents being there again. You did the same thing with Cheryl in episode 3.

Keller is really grasping at straws. The Blossoms must be breathing down his neck, but they don't have a vendetta against Jughead or his family like they do against some of the others, so it's hard for me to see a push coming from them. I was proud of Juggie for being smart enough to know he needs a lawyer. He probably also knows that as a minor, anything he says without parents or counsel present is going to get thrown out the window anyway.

Speaking of minors, is Veronica not one? She should never have been placed on the trust in the first place, as a minor cannot sign legally binding contracts, so that whole forgery subplot confuses me.

11 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

I did love that the gang talking "quietly" in public actually backfired. Kevin had more of a personality this episode, which was nice. 

Yes! What an idiotic and yet totally realistic thing for them to be doing.

3 hours ago, MarkHB said:

The wardrobe was DEFINITELY comic book; Jughead's crown and the purple "S" shirt (which he was wearing under his flannel after he woke up; have we seen that before?), Archie wearing the black jacket with the big "R" letter.  My assumption re: the backstab is that he's as aware as Kevin Keller that "Archie and Betty are endgame."

He has worn his S before! I maybe noticed. Oh god, I'm an Archie comics fan and I never even knew it.

2 hours ago, maxineofarc said:

 

Edited March 10, 2017 by maxineofarc
I missed the first five minutes and realized I was commenting on something that was totally cleared up therein.

[Cookie1981]

Solid episode and a relief to finally be out of the angst of Archie's music and football drama, can that be over forever please? Really highlighted what a snooze that has been for me. Integrating him more into the mystery did huge favors for the character and he was actually a good friend to Betty and Jughead. I suspect his apology to Betty for not being there for her during all of this drama was slightly motivated by him realizing that the closeness he witnessed between Bughead was because Juggy has been the one there for her. There is almost no chance he won't get between them at some point but I will enjoy every sweet and supportive moment between the two while I can. I don't see the affection as one sided at all, she was very comfortable with his hand on her shoulder, holding hands during he walk home, going in for a kiss when she could have hugged him if she was friend zoning him. Her reaction to Veronica's questions was of a girl who likes him likes him. I also didn't see her being shoehorned into the police station scene as others have mentioned. She was at the lockers with Archie when Jughead was dragged out so it seemed natural for her to meet him at the police station for support. Bughead forever! I'm in my 30s with small children and I'm so tired, let me have this :)

Jughead being yanked out of school on the basis of a murder board that he and Betty are working on, a very vague bullying reference and an incident when he was a kid was maybe the dumbest thing I've seen on a show that is wonderfully dumb as a rule. Curious to know what his alibi is because that wasn't cleared up and Fred doctoring time cards to protect him is will eventually bite them. I don't think Jughead did it and in all likelihood he was just alone that day reading The Metamorphisis and listening to Pink Floyd on vinyl and so he has no one to verify an alibi but it's a loose end. Please show, don't make me love and empathize with this character a la Cassidy "Beaver" Casablancas only to have him be the big bad. 

The timeline of Fred and FPs friendship and business issues is off and made no sense in the context of other things we've been told. I don't buy FPs sad sack version of events one bit. He had one additional mouth to feed so he stole from his business partner? What hospital bills? The whole line about them being partners makes no senseI did like that Archie was angry that his dads decision to cut FP off impacted Jughead, even if I understand why Fred would make that call if his side of the story is true. Looking forward meeting his mom down the line. 

All of the Covergirl stuff makes me never want to buy their products again. 

[pathom]

I am totally there for the hat tilt on that soda jerk in the diner photo posted with the recap.

[scorp01]

Enjoyed this episode, since I find Jughead one of the more interesting characters.  I like Cole Sprouse more than I thought I would (although I feel a little Grundy-ish about that since I'm old enough to be his mother) but I wish he would find another way to act angsty other than constantly furrowing his brow and glowering.  I'm glad that Jughead finally confided in someone about his living situation although wouldn't you think that at least one of his friends would have had some idea since they all (except for Veronica) have presumably known each other since elementary school?

The timeline of the Jones family drama is confusing to me though.  From their convo at FP's trailer, Jughead seemed to imply that his dad losing his job, falling off the wagon, and his mom leaving and taking Jellybean with her was fairly recent because that's what caused him to move out (I can't imagine him being homeless for more than say, a month or so?).  But the whole "I worked for Fred Andrews and he screwed me over when I had 2 kids and hospital bills to pay" made me think that was years ago or somewhere in the semi-distant past.  And Fred Andrews has no idea that FP is a Serpent?  It's not that big a town.  Weren't all the Serpents at the drive in making a ruckus?  Wasn't Fred there too?  I guess no one makes direct eye contact with any of the Serpents?!?

Jughead offering to go home with his dad at the police station hit me in the feels though.  *sniff*

I can't believe that we have to wait 3 weeks for a new episode.

Edited March 10, 2017 by scorp01

[indiscutable]

28 minutes ago, scorp01 said:

Enjoyed this episode, since I find Jughead one of the more interesting characters.  I like Cole Sprouse more than I thought I would (although I feel a little Grundy-ish about that since I'm old enough to be his mother) but I wish he would find another way to act angsty other than constantly furrowing his brow and glowering.  I'm glad that Jughead finally confided in someone about his living situation although wouldn't you think that at least one of his friends would have had some idea since they all (except for Veronica) have presumably known each other since elementary school?

2 hours ago, AdorkableSars said:

Thought Cole Sprouse was the most impressive he's ever been in this episode acting wise. My heart was breaking for Jughead. Cole played the vulnerable moments so well, and had some light moments too which were also great.

 I am impressed with him as an actor and I'm glad that Riverdale has introduced me to him. I had had only vague familiarity with him from Suite Life but was too old to be it's audience when it was on. I'm of the Lizzie McGuire/Even Stevens generation. Since Riverdale, Cole, and his twin Dylan, have quickly become some of my favorite people on social media. 

As for acting, I think that he's hitting his emotional beats well and plays chip-on-his-shoulder very well. So I'm not seeing him as one-note as you, @scorp01. But I am feeling you on the Grundy-ishness. I've only got 6 years on Cole, but since he's playing a teen it's a little weird. That and I remember him looking like a child (though a teen) when I was in my early 20s. 

 

51 minutes ago, Cookie1981 said:

Solid episode and a relief to finally be out of the angst of Archie's music and football drama, can that be over forever please? Really highlighted what a snooze that has been for me. Integrating him more into the mystery did huge favors for the character and he was actually a good friend to Betty and Jughead. I suspect his apology to Betty for not being there for her during all of this drama was slightly motivated by him realizing that the closeness he witnessed between Bughead was because Juggy has been the one there for her. There is almost no chance he won't get between them at some point but I will enjoy every sweet and supportive moment between the two while I can. I don't see the affection as one sided at all, she was very comfortable with his hand on her shoulder, holding hands during he walk home, going in for a kiss when she could have hugged him if she was friend zoning him. Her reaction to Veronica's questions was of a girl who likes him likes him. I also didn't see her being shoehorned into the police station scene as others have mentioned. She was at the lockers with Archie when Jughead was dragged out so it seemed natural for her to meet him at the police station for support. Bughead forever! I'm in my 30s with small children and I'm so tired, let me have this :)

Jughead being yanked out of school on the basis of a murder board that he and Betty are working on, a very vague bullying reference and an incident when he was a kid was maybe the dumbest thing I've seen on a show that is wonderfully dumb as a rule. Curious to know what his alibi is because that wasn't cleared up and Fred doctoring time cards to protect him is will eventually bite them. I don't think Jughead did it and in all likelihood he was just alone that day reading The Metamorphisis and listening to Pink Floyd on vinyl and so he has no one to verify an alibi but it's a loose end. Please show, don't make me love and empathize with this character a la Cassidy "Beaver" Casablancas only to have him be the big bad. 

The timeline of Fred and FPs friendship and business issues is off and made no sense in the context of other things we've been told. I don't buy FPs sad sack version of events one bit. He had one additional mouth to feed so he stole from his business partner? What hospital bills? The whole line about them being partners makes no senseI did like that Archie was angry that his dads decision to cut FP off impacted Jughead, even if I understand why Fred would make that call if his side of the story is true. Looking forward meeting his mom down the line. 

 

Yes getting Archie involved with the core characters was so important for making him more interesting. 

I would be so heartbroken if this went the way of Beaver! To me, Betty/Juggy have such strong Veronica/Logan parallels (which also makes me think that they will have ups and downs but ultimately be a core couple). So I do think that Juggy could get fingered as the culprit (just like Logan) due to inconsistencies, background, etc. But if he's another Cassidy, I'd be gutted. 

As for theories, I'm feeling like it has to be a character that is not core, but sort of hiding in plain sight. Much like Aaron Echolls. So really I'd like alibis from many more people since we now know that the crime took place over a week. We know that Jughead had been planning to go on a road trip with Archie. And the type of crime committed (week-long torture) is not something that happens without preplanning. So to me that would eliminate Jughead since he fully expected to be going away with Archie. 

3 minutes ago, scorp01 said:

 

The timeline of the Jones family drama is confusing to me though.  From their convo at FP's trailer, Jughead seemed to imply that his dad losing his job, falling off the wagon, and his mom leaving and taking Jellybean with her was fairly recent because that's what caused him to move out (I can't imagine him being homeless for more than say, a month or so?).  But the whole "I worked for Fred Andrews and he screwed me over when I had 2 kids and hospital bills to pay" made me think that was years ago or somewhere in the semi-distant past.  And Fred Andrews has no idea that FP is a Serpent?  It's not that big a town.  Weren't all the Serpents at the drive in making a ruckus?  Wasn't Fred there too?  I guess no one makes direct eye contact with any of the Serpents?!?

 Jughead offering to go home with his dad at the police station hit me in the feels though.  *sniff*

I can't believe that we have to wait 3 weeks for a new episode.

3 hours ago, MarkHB said:

I tend to side with Fred Andrews' side of the firing story; that "it's all the other guy's fault" is a very alcoholic rationalization.  I'm just trying to figure out the timeline; they made it sound like that all happened years ago but how long had Jughead been sleeping in a projection booth?

 

For the Fred/FP timeline I believe that their partnership must have dissolved years ago, possibly many years ago. Perhaps the business was growing and Fred bought out FP when FP needed the money more than the potential income later. Now FP sees the business as valuable and feels resentful of what could have been. It's reminiscent of Walter White's situation with Elliott/Gray Matter. 

But then even though FP was bought out, he continued to work as an employee for Fred. That would bring us up to the more recent past where Fred fired him. All the while, FP would have resented having to be an employee of the business that he felt entitled to ownership of. 

How Fred doesn't know that FP is a gang member is beyond me. Though perhaps he suspects it and just wanted to keep distance from FP in general. 

[VCRTracking]

Someone from the state needs to takeover this murder case because Sheriff Keller is clearly not up to this.

Edited March 10, 2017 by VCRTracking

[indiscutable]

51 minutes ago, VCRTracking said:

Someone from the state needs to takeover this murder case because Sheriff Keller is clearly not up to this.

True. A key element of Film Noir is that the police can't be trusted or aren't acting appropriately. So I think that there needs to be some established reason for that. Jughead said that Sheriff Keller serves the Blossoms. Why? How? Yes we know that the Blossoms are rich, but have they interfered with the investigation?

[Shorty186]

Hmm, so whomever set the car on fire took Jason's jacket to plant on FP? Maybe some of his other possessions will start to pop up too. Weird that he's in a gang on the DL. And that Cheryl didn't recognize him when she took pics of him and Hermione. Clearly everyone's parents went to high school together, married each other and never left town. The main characters will turn into their parents if they don't leave soon. 

I think fake Grundy could be the killer. She's left town so it's easy to forget about her, but she had some sort of relationship with Jason and we only know where she was at the time of the gun shot. But I don't think she would have snuck back into town to burn the car.

[tennisgurl]

I'm so torn on Cover Girl. On the one hand, the product placement is so obvious, that its hilarious and makes me not want to buy anything from them out of spite. But, on the other hand, all the women do look super good all the time, so...

They finally gave Archie a good storyline! I loved him being a good supportive friend to Jughead, and being more involved with the main plot. I'm glad Jughead is moving in with Archie and Fred, looks like that could be interesting. The plot with Jughead and his dad wasn't quite as good as I hoped it would be, but I still liked it, and I really enjoyed the backstory for Fred and Mr. Jones. They used to be best friends? Very interesting.

LOVED everything with the Blossoms vs. Cooper rivalry of ridiculousness. The Blossoms in their fox hunting clothes searching for Polly was just great. Classic Blossoms. Cheryl is kind of inconsistent (at the start of the episodes she's bad, but by the end, she's more or less good) but I kind of buy it. She's your standard Mean Girl, while her parents are Pure Evil, and she isn't comfortable when they take things up a notch. Or maybe she's naturally a good person, and the Mean Girl issues are just due to her awful parents, and her good moments are her true self shining through. Either way, I love her. #PollyKilledMyBrother.

I liked Kevin/Veronica/Reggie/Josie out clubbing. It felt weirdly like a double date to me :) Its sad that Ronnie still has one of the best parental relationships on the show. And her mom forged her name and committed a felony!

I'm also so not surprised that the Coopers have a dusty attic filled with broken mirrors, creepy old dolls, and ancient wedding dresses. I would be amazed if everyone in Riverdale didn't.

[Mabinogia]

14 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

Cheryl is kind of inconsistent

Cheryl's main focus and priority seems to be Jason. It makes sense, given her parents. He would be the only family she had. So, when she heard about Polly having escaped she assumed Polly killed Jason. It makes sense from her POV. We know it's unlikely, but for Cheryl Polly was the girl who was taking her brother away from her. But when she finds out there is a bit of Jason growing inside Polly, that changed everything. I think Cheryl genuinely thought her parents would feel the same way. But even Cheryl would know that being raised by the Blossom's is NOT in Jason's babies best interest so she decided to help Polly. I think, when Polly said about how Jason talked about her all the time and loved her, that maybe she realized that Polly, too, could be a way of learning more about Jason and having him in her life through Polly's memories of him.

Cheryl is a fascinating character to me. I don't think she is actually a mean girl but a product of parents who don't care about her and a town that automatically hated her for being richer than them and because of who her parents are. When Jason was around it was okay, it was the two of them against the world. But with him gone I think she is lost. I think she is very tragic, too, because she seems genuinely surprised when people are nice to her. It is heartbreaking to think she has gone this far through life not expecting kindness.

The thing I like about this show so far, is that I actually love more characters than I don't like.

[Old House Nut]

Not only was Sheriff Keller a nitwit for suspecting Jughead without any legitimate reasons, he was also a nitwit for dropping those suspicions without any good reasons. Archie's dad simply said that Jughead had been working for him, hanging sheetrock, on July 11. First, were they actually able to pinpoint the time of death to EXACTLY July 11? And, was Jughead working the entire 24 hours of July 11?

Edited March 10, 2017 by Old House Nut

[morakot]

This:

42 minutes ago, tennisgurl said:

I'm also so not surprised that the Coopers have a dusty attic filled with broken mirrors, creepy old dolls, and ancient wedding dresses. I would be amazed if everyone in Riverdale didn't.

Can you imagine what the Blossoms' attic is like?

Also this:

6 hours ago, indiscutable said:

I would be so heartbroken if this went the way of Beaver! To me, Betty/Juggy have such strong Veronica/Logan parallels (which also makes me think that they will have ups and downs but ultimately be a core couple). So I do think that Juggy could get fingered as the culprit (just like Logan) due to inconsistencies, background, etc. But if he's another Cassidy, I'd be gutted. 

I might have to cut someone, myself -- and I am way, way, way out of an appropriate age range.

[Mabinogia]

3 minutes ago, morakot said:

Can you imagine what the Blossoms' attic is like?

Well, you can be sure it is full of flowers. LOL And a trunk containing the remains of Jason and Cheryl's little brother.

[Bruinsfan]

19 hours ago, angora said:

Sheriff Keller may still be a good dad, but he's not doing too hot as a sheriff.  Suspecting a 15-year-old boy of murder on the basis of 1) something stupid and irresponsible he did when he was, what, 9?, 2) getting bullied by football players, and 3) being "from a family on the wrong side of the tracks?"  Yeesh.

Didn't you get the memo that the authorities need to constantly be on the lookout for suspicious loners  and lying temptresses that might dare to fight back when rich, popular athletes engage in societally-approved bullying or sexual harassment? Won't somebody think of these golden boys and the tragedy of people exposing them to consequences of their actions?

[millk]

How big is Riverdale to have a hopping nightclub on a school night where the mayor's underaged daughter can booze it up with the sheriff's underaged son and them not know who they are?

[AdorkableSars]

I hope the show addresses  why Jughead didn't go with his mom and Jellybean. Or similarly, why his mom didn't insist that Jughead come with them as well. Poor Juggie :( But I'm glad to know he's at least still talking to his mom. I wonder if she knows that he's homeless, or thinks that he's still living with/taking care of FP...

[morakot]

She may not have wanted him to change schools in the middle of high school (though that is exactly what Veronica did.)

[starri]

Hey, Skeet Ulrich.  Any time, anywhere.  Call me.

[Affogato]

15 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

I hope that Betty isn't unintentionally leading Jughead on into believing that there is more to their relationship than there really is.   She needs emotoinal support, I think Jughead views that relationship as far more than that.  As sullen as Jughead is, I don't know how he will react if he ever gets the "just friends" speech from Betty.

Josie and Veronica come off as obnoxious and entitled.  A humbling experience couldn't hurt.   Something to knock them both completely off their pedestals.  Nothing so far has really affected Veronica all that much.  And yes, it was wrong of her mother to forge her signature, that doesn't give Veronica the right to blackmail her own mother. 

Jughead has been abandoned by his mother, who has taken his younger sibling and moved away. His father is ...well...Jughead doesn't need any more rejection right now from anyone.

Apparently blackmail is what Veronica's family does, which kind of does give her the right.

[Black Knight]

Have we ever seen Hermione and Alice interact? I ask because I don't remember any interactions, and consequently was surprised that the reason she gave for helping Polly and Betty was "anything for Alice Cooper's daughters." I was expecting her reason to be that Betty is her daughter's best friend (especially since helping Betty would win her some much-needed points with Veronica). I do remember that Hermione obviously hates Mama Blossom (see her remark to Cheryl in a previous episode about not having class), so it could be an "enemy of my enemy" thing, or maybe there's something more there. Since the show has the Great Maple Syrup Rivalry between the Coopers and the Blossoms, it seems important that the Lodges are apparently on the Coopers' side.