Shorty186

What happened to Lucy's puppy/roommate? Have they even mentioned her?

I haven't watched Survivor since Season 1, so how the hell was Sandra able to win? She's been wrong with her vote every single time except the 2 times it was impossible for ANYone to be wrong. When it was Dan vs Parvati and Parvati vs Phaedra. She's a total idiot.

Is anyone else having audio issues? The background music is so much louder than the people speaking.

My favorite scenes are definitely the 90s ones. I love the music, plus that's when I read the books and watched the TV show. I haven't given it a rewatch but I remember thinking it was creepy enough and that's how I feel about this version, especially since it's on Disney of all places.

The gaslightning in the Comic Room? DAMN.

You are so right. I completely blocked out the Bro-ing out of Nancy as well as the possessions. I only remembered people remembering their sins. I've read Larry Teng's tweets and numerous interviews about how they were told of the cancelation. He has a right to be PO'd but a show getting canceled after they've finished shooting is not unusual. When a show is told in advance, it's really a courtesy. It shouldn't be, you'd think it would be standard to give the writers the ability to wrap things up but networks don't care about a show they've already given up on. See the zero promotion for ND this season aside from the S4 promo and 4x13 preview. So I'm very glad they were able to find out before the end - thank you to Kennedy's agent. However, I still stand by not being satisfied with the season. It was definitely my least favorite and I don't see myself rewatching it, unless I skip from 4x3 to 4x13. I hate having these negative feelings since I haven't loved a show as much as this in a long time.

I wish I would have liked it more than I did. It basically got the job done but only having 10 minutes of Nace happiness is always going to leave me salty. A lot did not make sense to me in this episode. Specifically why the 200 years of released sins turned the townspeople into looters and an angry mob. I know there was an offhand, "they must be possessed by the angry mob who killed a witch," but what? It didn't jive with what we saw happen to a singular person when they drank the tainted water. They handwaved Callie right off the screen, which makes sense because how was she supposed to be a bigger BAD than Temperance? The tsunami from last season was much more end of days-ish than a bunch of looney townspeople. Carson and Red didn't seem that bad, just a couple of kleptos. I really did not get why Nick seemed the most distraught over the Historical Society burning down. Aside from the fact that many of the artifacts had already been removed, it was kind of funny to see Bess be the one to comfort him. I get why so many people thought something must have happened to Jade in the episode preview because his reaction seemed a little too OTT. If The Claw or his apartment building burnt down, it would have made more sense. But with how quickly they managed to wrap up everything this episode, I feel like they could have wrapped it up one episode sooner and we could have gotten more happy Nace, but they clearly decided to end the show with them getting together/new beginnings for everyone. Like someone else said, the writers clearly decided this was not going to be a domestic Nace season, but why they couldn't have given us a little more, I don't know. Of course the show is about more than just Nace, but S3 & 4 really turned them into the focal point, so it's really hard to keep my feelings about Nace separate from my feelings about the show as a whole. Also, I really don't think Ryan needed a love interest. He had a lot of good dad moments this season, but to have him and Nancy say goodbye that way was pretty lackluster. Not gonna lie, the A.H. reveal probably increased my enjoyment of the episode by 50%. But if he is a Hardy, which one is he?

This season just doesn't make sense as a whole. If you step back and track the plot points through every episode, it's a jumbled mess. The only thing I can think of that would have made it work better is if they took eps #401 to #403 and tacked them to the end of the season instead, at least regarding the Nace relationship. But I remember being so happy with those episodes thinking the writers really subverted expectations by bringing everything out to the open and dealing with the curse head-on instead of dragging it on. Yet here we are. Those episodes made the ones that followed seem so unbelievable and OOC because it's like the writers just decided to pivot for no good reason. But had Nancy actually kept her mouth shut, I could kind of understand how Ace could start falling for a ghost had he been moping around for 8 episodes and even see Nancy "moving on" with Tristan. Meanwhile, Nancy is forcing herself to move on because she thinks it's a guaranteed way to keep Ace safe from the death curse, but it kills her to see how miserable Ace is, until she starts getting jealous over him and the ghost. Maybe she would have even decided to have the Sin Eater eat the sin of his/their feelings to help them move on, but then the truth water that Callie unleashed causes them to remember their feelings, Nancy decides to confess about the curse and we would have at least had the Drew Crew working to break the curse for the last 2 or 3 eps. ETA: I don't doubt that the writers loved the show. It just makes the whole trajectory of the season that much more baffling.

Every episode just lowers the bar of my expectations for the finale. Even if this wasn't the last season, I would be disappointed.

Yeah, Ace's behavior really weirded me out. Ghost is basically a non-entity entity, seeing as she has no memory of anything. All she can do is listen to Ace talk about things. So is that what Ace wants? Someone to be at his beck and call and give him her undivided attention? Actually, that does seem like something he would want. I will give the writers their due on George's family. I complained about their absence last week and now here they all were, with even a Victoria mention. I kind of don't think it's fair for Carson to get to raise another baby. Why don't they make Ryan the dad and then when baby is 19, they tell them the truth?

This episode made me really sad because for the first time I don't believe we're going to get any Nancy and Ace are together closure. Best case scenario: 5 minutes before the screen goes black (forever), they say their ILYs and flash forward to a horribly CGI'd Paris. And I'm really bummed because I could not have cared less about anything that was happening this episode. No real drama because of course they were going to save Tristan. Ugh, his and Nancy's convos made me feel like I stepped into another show because probably no less than 7 days ago in HSB time, Nancy was still in love with Ace. What season did we fall into? I bet they even spend the rest of the season trying to cure him of being the Sin Eater. Do I care that Ace was off by himself with the ghost STILL? No, the only thing that made it okay was that Bess was there. I guess I'm glad that Nick and George's love interests weren't shoehorned into this episode somehow. I don't think they've been successful with the "Let's turn George into an Attorney" subplot so I kind of have to roll my eyes when George tries to teaxh Carson about what's truly right and wrong. I miss her with her family. Yes we've seen Jessie but she has 2 other sisters and a mom. Speaking of missing families, I hate that they never brought back the Marvins after season 1. They aren't even mentioned in passing. If they didn't say Bess' full name so often, we'd never have heard it again. Bess is the only one with a continuing love interest, and Addy has only been in 2 episodes? I don't care how much the writers try to handwave the negatives away with magic at the very end, the majority of this season has been lackluster. It started out strong and then just fizzled. But they did it intentionally for some reason.

Wait, omigod. I just had to Google check and found out I've completely misremembered when they announced the cancelation. I have been thinking in my head that they announced it with the S4 renewal news. I had no recollection it happened during the S4 filming. Wow. Okay, I guess I can give the writers a tiny bit of leeway on not knowing from the beginning that it was the final season. BUT. Why repeat the same Nancy-Ace-"insert name"love triangle dynamic of Season 3? That just seems lazy?

Sorry, this episode made me very RAGEY. It's just what I was dreading when I first read that Nancy was getting a new love interest. I really don't get why they had to go about it this way, since I bet The CW pretty much gave them carte blanche with it being the last season. Nancy's relationship with Tristan just seems like a big retread of Park. She can't be with Ace due to Amanda/curse, so she's heartbroken. But then there's a good-looking guy (Park/Tristan) she keeps finding herself with and then suddenly she's seemingly forgotten about Ace and is making googly eyes at the new guy. Granted, this time there is no power imbalance in their dynamic and Ace did break up with Nancy, but when you have a life and death curse to deal with, do you really need to shoehorn in a love triangle too? Especially when it's the last season and there's only 13 episodes to wrap everything up in? The writers/producers just really disappointed me with this one. I guess I gave them too much credit because I will really be pissed if they wait to put Ace and Nancy together till the last episode. If there was even the possibility of another season, then fine. But we know there's not. I want more than just a "happily ever after." Yeah I know that's what fanfics are for, but is it really too greedy to want to see your couple be in an actual relationship before the show is over?

I found a timeline breakdown someone did online and it's incredible. The pilot starts on August 31st when Tiffany is murdered, and after the 1 month time jump in the S3 finale, it's only January 19th. Aside from the incredible breakneck speed, it definitely doesn't look like winter in Maine, although the coast is supposed to be warmer. There's been no actual death date given for Kate on the show, only that she died in the winter, so that could have been Jan/Feb 2019, which would lineup with it being a year later in January 2020. So seasons 1-3 took place over less than five months. There are SO many things that happened during that time to make that ridiculous, but just in the last episode with Ace telling Nancy they were "just friends" for a really long time ... uhh, no you weren't? But I digress. I really do love this show, I'm sure this is just residual grumpiness over it being the last season.

Ughhh I *knew* not to have hope. I went into this season with very low expectations on how long it would take to break the curse. But they lulled me into a false sense of security with the first 2 episodes. I just really hope they don't drag this out till the end of the series. I want to see Nace happy, see them bicker, normal couples stuff, not just, "And they lived happily ever after." I was not super impressed with the Jessie/Birdie subplot. They should know better than try to convince people the supernatural is real. The people of HSB love sticking their heads in the sand when it's no longer life and death for them. I'm back to having low expectations for the rest of the series. Cue up the love interests, miscommunication, missed connections, etc. I will be sitting under a storm cloud till the curse is over. One more thing. The pace of this show frustrates me to no end. There is no reason for time to move so slowly. It's not like the characters are in high school. It's beyond ridiculous that so many things (especially relationships) have happened in less than a year. With all the crazy shenanigans that happen, this is the most unbelievable to me.