Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

[crazycatlady58]

4 minutes ago, Stevie Nicks said:

Because 64* isn't cold in any way.  Needing a heavy jacket is ridiculous unless you've got some health problem. Thin blooded people or something.  Southerners are wimps when it comes to cold weather. 

It may not be cold to you but as I said people are different. I will wear a mid weight sweater at 64 so yes I am a whimp I guess. I sometimes feel the same way about northerners who complain about a heat wave of 90 degrees for 3 days when we have 90 plus temperatures with 50 % humidity for 3 plus months but I do not call people pathetic because I remind myself....people are different. 

[GeeGolly]

We New Englanders feel its our birthright to complain about the weather for at least 9 months out of the years. 🤣 But our complaints run the gamut as you could be standing outside with two other folks and its like a Goldilocks scene.

My point was pregnant women tend to run hot in their 8 month and little kids with no fat don't usually run hot. So why is Joy in a parka but the kids are coatless and barefoot?

One of the things I learned in these threads is my weather is eerily similar to AR weather. 64 degrees in February does not feel as warm as 64 degrees in April.

[crazycatlady58]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

We New Englanders feel its our birthright to complain about the weather for at least 9 months out of the years. 🤣 But our complaints run the gamut as you could be standing outside with two other folks and its like a Goldilocks scene.

My point was pregnant women tend to run hot in their 8 month and little kids with no fat don't usually run hot. So why is Joy in a parka but the kids are coatless and barefoot?

One of the things I learned in these threads is my weather is eerily similar to AR weather. 64 degrees in February does not feel as warm as 64 degrees in April.

I live in  Houston Texas and find it mildly amusing when people move here from one of the northern states the first winter they are all " This is not cold.. this is spring at home." Next winter they are wearing jackets. If I know them I will ask why the jacket they will usually reply that the coid is different . I think it is because of our humidity. 

[GeeGolly]

31 minutes ago, crazycatlady58 said:

I live in  Houston Texas and find it mildly amusing when people move here from one of the northern states the first winter they are all " This is not cold.. this is spring at home." Next winter they are wearing jackets. If I know them I will ask why the jacket they will usually reply that the coid is different . I think it is because of our humidity. 

Our winters are very dry, which makes them feel very cold, but the rest of the time we're very humid, even into the fall, which makes our seasons feel hot. Our summer has way too many days that make one feel like they're melting, however I think much of TX has us beat on the heat.

[Snow Fairy]

The kids would probably say if they're cold.

My husband and I have very different feels regarding hot and cold. If I dress my kids according to how I feel, sometimes my husband says I'm overdoing it.

I think the same type of conversation was held regarding Izzy and Sam some time ago

[Lady Whistleup]

Not saying this is the case with Joy, but some women wear winter coats to hide their growing belly. When I taught at a school with a lot of teen moms, this was one of the giveaways -- wearing a winter coat in seasonable weather.

[Teriacky]

This reminds me of my mom’s famous line she used to say to me while I was growing up: “I’m cold. Go put on a sweater.” 

[GeeGolly]

2 hours ago, Lady Whistleup said:

Not saying this is the case with Joy, but some women wear winter coats to hide their growing belly. When I taught at a school with a lot of teen moms, this was one of the giveaways -- wearing a winter coat in seasonable weather.

I think the teen moms were hiding so others wouldn't know they were pregnant. Joy has announced her pregnancy far and wide. She takes pictures of her growing bump, so I'm guessing she's not hiding it.

[lookeyloo]

7 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

If Joy needs a coat, then her kids need a coat - and shoes.

Not necessarily.  I did recount the story of older son and no coat in the CA bay area in winter and the school back then insisted I take him to the doctor and doctor did blood work and said normal for him.  If he is cold he will want a coat.  He still is very warm blooded and wears minimal clothes where he lives in the PNW.  Also, grandson told son and daughter in law in high school not to buy him a winter coat because all he needed was his hoodie.   There are kids/people who have different "thermometers".  I love to be bundled up as did Sweet Son.  Older son, not so much from very young age.  I am guessing Gideon has shoes and if he wanted them could get them.

[graybrown bird]

Gideon is not the parent.  He needed shoes while playing with that shovel for his own safety.

[CalicoKitty]

18 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Jill was barefoot. Not sure if Joy wore shoes or not. The latter wouldn't surprise me.

Joy had disgusting, filthy dirty feet when she went on her first (maybe) date with Austin.  She dug some horrible looking, well-worn shoes out of the communal closet, and I was surprised that they would allow showing the dirt-black soles of her feet.  Just ick.

[Salacious Kitty]

7 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

Joy had disgusting, filthy dirty feet when she went on her first (maybe) date with Austin.  She dug some horrible looking, well-worn shoes out of the communal closet, and I was surprised that they would allow showing the dirt-black soles of her feet.  Just ick.

That was disgusting. 

[Gemma Violet]

1 hour ago, CalicoKitty said:

Joy had disgusting, filthy dirty feet when she went on her first (maybe) date with Austin.  She dug some horrible looking, well-worn shoes out of the communal closet, and I was surprised that they would allow showing the dirt-black soles of her feet.  Just ick.

I remember Joy doing that.  Lol, the communal shoe closet pile.  When the older Duggars got married, I wonder if they adjusted their "pull shoes out of a pile" mentality.  (I'm thinking at least Jinger did with help from her shoe-loving husband.)

64 degrees is cold and I'd definitely wear a sweater.  Look at it this way:  Room temperature is considered 72 degrees (although I keep it higher).  64 degrees is 8 degrees colder than room temperature.  Therefore, 64 degrees is cold. 😁And sometimes there's a wind chill where it feels a few degrees colder. 😆  

 

Edited February 22, 2023 by Gemma Violet

[libgirl2]

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I think the teen moms were hiding so others wouldn't know they were pregnant. Joy has announced her pregnancy far and wide. She takes pictures of her growing bump, so I'm guessing she's not hiding it.

Exactly what I was going to say. 

[madpsych78]

Perhaps Gideon and Evy are not as cold-blooded as Joy. I think 64 degrees is not cold to the degree where a heavy coat is needed, and I'm in Texas. I think wearing a sweatshirt, hoodie or a jacket is fair. 

Shoes, on the other hand, are a must outside. Especially for littles.

[Tigregirl]

64 degrees in WI is shorts and tee shirt weather.  I would take that today over the ice storm we’re getting.

[GeeGolly]

To me cold is cold and hot is hot. When I go to FL my FL family complains about the heat because its hot, just as they complain about the heat back home in New England. When I go to Buffalo, NY my NY family complains about the cold and snow because the cold and snow are pains in the ass, just like the cold and snow are pains in the ass in New England. Just because they're used to it doesn't mean they like it any more than someone who is not used to it.

Joy, along with her sisters, are known for making poor parenting decisions so to me it isn't a leap to say they're dressing their kids wrong for the elements. Its not like we see just that one kid always underdressed. Its random kids at random times. We've seen Giddy and Evy bundled up, we've seen Izzy and Sammy bundled up and we've seen the Seewald kids bundled up. But we've also seen these kids underdressed and freezing, whether at the beach with no towels, being forced to bathe in an ice cold creek or being kept too long at an outdoor light festival in the winter.

Edited February 23, 2023 by GeeGolly

[Dehumidifier]

Temperature isn't the only factor. If it was sunny and not windy the kids would be feeling warm running around in a hoodie and long sleeved top.

Time of season also matters. When it first gets cool in the fall 60 degree weather feels colder than it does in late winter when the body has acclimated itself. I walk out now in calm 40 degree weather and think "it's warm today."

If Joy had a short sleeved top on, and was not running around (likely), yes a jacket was called for.

Gideon probably started out with shoes, got some pebbles in them, and yanked them off. He could scrape himself with the shovel, but the chance of cutting toe off is minimal 🩹.

Edited February 23, 2023 by Dehumidifier

[Notabug]

9 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

To me cold is cold and hot is hot. When I go to FL my FL family complains about the heat because its hot, just as they complain about the heat back home in New England. When I go to Buffalo, NY my NY family complains about the cold and snow because the cold and snow are pains in the ass, just like the cold and snow are pains in the ass in New England. Just because they're used to it doesn't mean they like it any more than someone who is not used to it.

Joy, along with her sisters, are known for making poor parenting decisions so to me it isn't a leap to say they're dressing their kids wrong for the elements. Its not like we see just that one kid always underdressed. Its random kids at random times. We've seen Giddy and Evy bundled up, we've seen Izzy and Sammy bundled up and we've seen the Seewald kids bundled up. But we've also seen these kids underdressed and freezing, whether at the beach with no towels, being forced to bathe in an ice cold creek or being kept too long at an outdoor light festival in the winter.

I'm not so worried about whether he is hot or cold.  He's old enough to speak up if he's uncomfortable and can probably remove his own hoodie, maybe even put it on without help. The kid should not be outside, standing on gravel and using a shovel while barefoot.  That should be a rule and Joy should enforce it and stress safety first.  Just more evidence that she doesn't do this ever.

Edited February 23, 2023 by Notabug

[Scarlett45]

17 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

Joy had disgusting, filthy dirty feet when she went on her first (maybe) date with Austin.  She dug some horrible looking, well-worn shoes out of the communal closet, and I was surprised that they would allow showing the dirt-black soles of her feet.  Just ick.

That scene is marked in my head, same as Jessa and her diaper mountain. 
 

Look we are all human beings, we all get dirty and have bodily functions- but Joy with those FILTHY FEET made me cringe. It wasn’t as if she was barefoot doing chores, running back and forth outside (I don’t know why you wouldn’t wear slippers but I digress) and was about to hop in the shower to get ready. She was going to leave her house on a DATE with her feet PITCH BLACK. Like how do you not feel that scum on the bottom of your feet?? How are you going out in public like that? 

[Dehumidifier]

Some of that dirt was probably embedded in the thickened soles of her feet, if she went barefoot often, which I gather she did.

[SMama]

42 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Like how do you not feel that scum on the bottom of your feet?? How are you going out in public like that? 

When it’s a common occurrence. 

[AstridM]

3 hours ago, Notabug said:

I'm not so worried about whether he is hot or cold.  He's old enough to speak up if he's uncomfortable and can probably remove his own hoodie, maybe even put it on without help. The kid should not be outside, standing on gravel and using a shovel while barefoot.  That should be a rule and Joy should enforce it and stress safety first.  Just more evidence that she doesn't do this ever.

I mean, this is a woman who has shared pictures of their home with loaded guns sitting out within kids’ reach multiple times . . . 🥲

[GeeGolly]

When Joy was flailing about looking for a certain shoe, the Duggar shoe bin was filled dirty shoes - probably from putting dirty feet in them. I'm gagging as I type this because I can't imagine putting my bare feet into dirty shoes period, but in someone else's - EWW.

[Panopticon]

On 2/22/2023 at 1:52 PM, Teriacky said:

This reminds me of my mom’s famous line she used to say to me while I was growing up: “I’m cold. Go put on a sweater.” 

I have been an adult for a good number of years. My mom last used that exact line on me… this past Christmas.

[Madtown]

15 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

When Joy was flailing about looking for a certain shoe, the Duggar shoe bin was filled dirty shoes - probably from putting dirty feet in them. I'm gagging as I type this because I can't imagine putting my bare feet into dirty shoes period, but in someone else's - EWW.

I'm gagging right there with you! I imagine every Duggar household smelling like gross dirty feet. It seems the bottom of their feet are never clean, adults and kids.

[lookeyloo]

2 hours ago, Madtown said:

I'm gagging right there with you! I imagine every Duggar household smelling like gross dirty feet. It seems the bottom of their feet are never clean, adults and kids.

Did you ever watch where they "cleaned" the floors with that swiffer wet jet?  I think those things just push the dirt around and give the illusion of clean. Can't change the pad after one pass over an area so dirt collects and spreads.  Imagine if they wore socks - those would be black too.  Compounded with their ahem, hygiene.

[CalicoKitty]

Considering that the howlers were shown cleaning the cat box with their bare hands......

[Gemma Violet]

Joy's latest video.  Pay no attention to the title.  They don't even discuss moving to L.A.  It's just clickbait.

 

Edited February 24, 2023 by Gemma Violet

[AstridM]

9 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:

Joy's latest video.  Pay no attention to the title.  They don't even discuss moving to L.A.  It's just clickbait.

 

I’m really starting to detest her. 

[YupItsMe]

8 hours ago, Gemma Violet said:

Joy's latest video.  Pay no attention to the title.  They don't even discuss moving to L.A.  It's just clickbait.

 

As soon as I saw the title I knew they wouldn’t even discuss the possibility in this video. She’s trying so hard to copy Carlin’s ridiculous click-baity style.

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, YupItsMe said:

As soon as I saw the title I knew they wouldn’t even discuss the possibility in this video. She’s trying so hard to copy Carlin’s ridiculous click-baity style.

So true. Its like Carlin unlocked the (temporary) cash cow for Joy.

[Scarlett45]

I saw a taller, larger build version of Austin in Target today! I did the double take. Beard and everything. As soon as I got home I had to share with you guys. 

[Future Cat Lady]

17 hours ago, YupItsMe said:

As soon as I saw the title I knew they wouldn’t even discuss the possibility in this video. She’s trying so hard to copy Carlin’s ridiculous click-baity style.

To be fair, a lot of Youtube videos have click-bait titles. It might even be recommended by YT as a way to increase views.

[ginger90]

[CalicoKitty]

48 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I wish she would fix that corner of the rug before someone trips.

[Westiepeach]

I know I don't pay attention, but have we ever seen Joy in jeans before?

[Salacious Kitty]

4 minutes ago, Westiepeach said:

I know I don't pay attention, but have we ever seen Joy in jeans before?

Many times. 😀

[jcbrown]

28 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

I wish she would fix that corner of the rug before someone trips.

I thought the same. Such design style, too, a cheap-looking grey rug over industrial-looking ugly grey carpet.

[Future Cat Lady]

2 hours ago, jcbrown said:

I thought the same. Such design style, too, a cheap-looking grey rug over industrial-looking ugly grey carpet.

Is putting a rug over a carpet a thing?

[all fall down]

40 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

Is putting a rug over a carpet a thing?

Sure, why not? I have a patterened area rug in my living room that goes over the boring tan carpet (i rent the hosue so I can't change the carpet). It breaks up the room and adds character. I've seen lots of people do that. 

[CalicoKitty]

I had large area rugs on top of the carpet in the dining room and living room at my old house.  But mine were thick, heavy wool rugs that did not wrinkle or turn up at the corners.  Actually, I loved the wool rugs, and have them on hard floor now.  If my cat had to throw up, I always hoped she would do it on the wool rug.  Wool rugs clean up so easily with no staining.  Synthetic fiber carpet stains.  But this rug that Joy has on carpet is very thin and wrinkled.  It is a tripping hazard.

(Off topic but related to rugs on carpet.  In my old house I had new carpet put in.  The carpet guys were not even out of my driveway, and both cats had thrown up on the new carpet.  I wish they were on the wool rugs, because I had stains on the brand new carpet that never really came out completely.)

[Scarlett45]

15 hours ago, ginger90 said:

She looks cute. Looks like she borrowed some maternity jeans from a taller person. Not that I blame her, maternity clothing is expensive. Of the women I know that didn’t need nice suits for court (or other professional appearances), they got 2-3 pairs of maternity pants and did oversized tops/leggings, or if they were lucky and visibly pregnant in the summer, dresses. 
 

Joy leads a pretty casual life, so in her outfit is ideal. 

[Snow Fairy]

On the other hand, if she's planning on having x more children, having maternity clothes that's hers and that fit is an investion, not an expense 

[Heathen]

On 2/23/2023 at 2:21 PM, AstridM said:

I mean, this is a woman who has shared pictures of their home with loaded guns sitting out within kids’ reach multiple times . . . 🥲

The same woman who went through how many hours? of at-home labor and attempted at-home delivery, without actual medical supervision, before going to the hospital, where she had an immediate emergency Caesarean. 

Thinking isn't her strong suit. Neither is the most basic level of common sense. 

[Salacious Kitty]

5 minutes ago, Heathen said:

The same woman who went through how many hours? of at-home labor and attempted at-home delivery, without actual medical supervision, before going to the hospital, where she had an immediate emergency Caesarean. 

Thinking isn't her strong suit. Neither is the most basic level of common sense. 

She's being seen by a high risk doctor now, so no more stupid laboring for a day before realizing your kid is breech. 

[Stevie Nicks]

5 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

She's being seen by a high risk doctor now, so no more stupid laboring for a day before realizing your kid is breech. 

Wow. I'm so glad. I wonder who convinced her to see an actual Dr? 

[Heathen]

15 minutes ago, Stevie Nicks said:

Wow. I'm so glad. I wonder who convinced her to see an actual Dr? 

I think it was the experience of losing a baby about halfway through her second pregnancy. Otherwise, I suspect she'd still be seeing "midwives" and trying to deliver at home. 

[Gemma Violet]

Joy's latest video:

 

[Scarlett45]

18 hours ago, Snow Fairy said:

On the other hand, if she's planning on having x more children, having maternity clothes that's hers and that fit is an investion, not an expense 

This is true, taking my further response to small talk.