S07.E11: Rage On My Ass

[ghoulina]

11 hours ago, archer1267 said:

Robyn has an odd energy and her partner hardly spoke at all; I didn't even realize she was there until they got to the resort.

That other woman was her partner? I think her name was Christine? I assumed she was just another friend of Tre's. I had no idea. So was she more than "friends" with Rosie? They kept talking about being upset about how their "friendship" ended, but I sense there was more there. 

 

10 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

 

Teresa, when talking about Rosie says, "it's like when you break up with a guy.  You really love him, but, there's no feeling there."  Um, what???

 

She does not have a way with words, that's for sure. I think she meant when you break up and you still love the person, but you're not IN love with him. As in, Tre will always "love" her cousins, in the way you do with family. But there is no real connection there, no close feelings. I kind of, sort of get it. 

 

8 hours ago, Keepitmoving said:

And that little tidbit about Chris Laurita taking out Tre for a date way back when was a good one. 

I thought it was so cute that she couldn't stop talking about Joe on their date. He may have his flaws, but she clearly loves him to death. 

 

8 hours ago, Iguessnot said:

Her jealousy is raging. I thought Jacq was going to choke on all the passive aggressive "Teresa is with her friends" comments she kept dropping.

Mmmmhmmm. Jac would have ZERO problems being Tre's"soldier" if they were closer. 

 

8 hours ago, Misslindsey said:

So Jaq says she felt threatened, but she seemed like she was trying to provoke something with the "Rage on my ass" yelling. Did she also taunt Robyn a bit to hit her? It is like she wanted something to happen so she could be the victim. Robyn seems like a hothead, but Jaq also seemed unhinged.

She was absolutely taunting her. Robyn appears to be pretty vile herself, but Jac could have just walked away. Even merely shouting would have been fine. But she got physical first by sitting in the girl's lap. And she just smirks with that condescending little look of hers. She absolutely was hoping to make Robyn attack her. 

 

7 hours ago, breezy424 said:

 

I don't think Jac is jealous of Tre and Mel's relationship.  I think the truth is that Jac sees the phoniness of it.  I also think Jac sees that Robyn is a fake as well. 

 

Even if it IS fake, how does that affect her? Maybe they're both faking it for Joe's sake? For the sake of their kids? The parents? Whatever the reason, it has nothing to do with Jac. The fact that she would become SO unhinged about other people's relationships is very disturbing. 

 

1 hour ago, mwell345 said:

I liked the way she was so subtle about it, just casually reminding everyone in a TH what a lunatic Jac is.

YES! Tre is an expert at throwing  some "harmless" shade. 

[TattleTeeny]

That fight was weird as hell, even for this show. I assume there was much more because what the hell and where did that come from all of a sudden? Seriously Jacqueline--this is not the way to relaunch your "Lucy & Ethel" friendship! 

 

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Also, the grammar!! Teresa, you are not going to ~bring~ Gabriela to soccer. You are going to ~take~ Gabriela to soccer. Christ. And, JoeGO, it's ~have GONE~ not ~have went~ . How did these knuckleheads graduate high school??

The communication skills on this show are lacking all around, but these two examples are hardly limited to Joe and Teresa. In real life, I know a ton of educated people--friends, peers, coworkers, higher-ups (!!!)--who do the "have went" thing. I cringe at it but it is rampant, along with "should of" in writing, and "lie" vs. "lay" errors, bad apostrophes (I see that all the time online and on TV: "The Chrisley's House," for example), and--one of the worst to me--"I wish I would have." No, you wish you had). So, "bring vs. take," IMO as a copy editor/writer, is practically a non-issue at this point; even legit and respected grammar sources' explanations of "proper" usage are vague at best. What always gets me in real life, online, and on TV is that bizarre overcorrection of "I" where "me" should be--and, of course, reality-show participants' tendency toward "s/he and I's" or, another example that I see all over the place, "Her and Jacqueline should shut up."

 

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Love that Tre reminded the audience in a TH that Jac once punched Caroline in the face. 

That's the one thing in the "Pros" column of my mental "Pros & Cons" list about Jacqueline.

 

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The absolute best part of the episode was Joe skiing.  I was laughing my ass off!!  Especially since he was bragging what a great skier he was.  The girls were talking and you see Joe in the background screaming as he goes downhill and then he lands in the trees.  I had freaking tears in my eyes I was laughing so hard!!  

I'm a sucker for shit going on in the background; for whatever reason it makes me laugh. There was a scene in The X-Files ("Hollywood A.D.") once with Mulder in the foreground while, way back behind him, was Scully trying to teach Téa Leoni how to run in heels. I loved it.
 

Edited September 26, 2016 by TattleTeeny

[gaPeach]

What the hell is wrong with Jaq?  Yikes she is bat shit crazy. 

What business is it of hers what went down with Tre and her cousins?  She did not need to bring it up in the first place and when Tre told her to let it go she just could not stop talking.....er screaming about it.  I don't think Rosie and Kathy need Jaq to talk for them.

And the passive aggressive "I am going home because Tre is with her real friends" was total BS!  UGH!  Could she have made this more about her than anyone else.  Her "fearing" for her safety from Robyn?  Really?  Jaq is the one taunting Robyn and was the one to physically make contact when she sat on Robyn's lap.  And to Robyn's credit she did not react and get physical with Jaq.  So Jaq being fearful is also a big crock of BS.   And Jaq saying it will be on when she sees Robyn again so she must leave......what?  Is Jaq like 12 and can't control her temper? really?

And put me on the bus that believes Tre and Mel have made up and are working on their relationship (which I think Jaq is very threatened by) and it is not fake.  Tre is very much a changed woman since prison and I like the new Zen Tre. 

[Giselle]

After the bus ride, after the "employee" gossip to create a wedge, then picking the fight. I just wish Theresa, Melissa and Joe had pulled a Bethany and Carole and left leaving a note saying why. Then every time after when crazy Jaq starts her shit just get up and leave just like T and Joe did at the ambush dinner earlier. Go do something else and let the cameras follow.

Cut Jaq and her shit stirring out.

This season has been an ambush by Jaq. You never know when she'll start it, but it will always happen every time. Theresa got attention early on by acting out and since then Jaq has copied her in her attempt to be relevant. 

I'm surprised Siggy hasn't called Jaq on her shit but then. Siggy is a meddler know it all and you can't tell her a damn thing without her talking over you.

When anyone tries to call Jaq on her shit she holds up that damn kid of hers and expects a pass and a pat on the back.

She's a fucking loon.

[bichonblitz]

I hate Chris Laurita for putting up with Jac's bullshit.  Where are his balls? Why doesn't he ever tell her to STFU? 

[abbottrabbit]

14 hours ago, chick binewski said:

I've lived in NJ most of my life but I still don't understand the purpose of waving one's hand in front of one's face whilst crying.

Hell, I do that, and I don't understand the purpose. I think it's one of those things that either I saw someone doing to stop crying or someone told me would help you not cry if you felt like you were about to (the way not blinking is supposed to). It kind of works, sometimes? 

12 hours ago, racked said:

There must be some untold story between Robyn and Jac, because she was clearly brought on to spark drama and fight with her. She seems either as crazy as Jac or as desperate for airtime. I totally understand why Delores and Siggy were all "wtf?" at her. They must not know the offscreen history either, so Robyn looks like a loose canon. I mean Jacqueline is too but she's one they at least know I guess. 

I would not be shocked if Robyn actually filmed much more than we're seeing this season -- i.e., if they brought her on as a "test" housewife and shot more day-to-day stuff with her, then decided Siggy and Delores worked better so kept them as cast and cut Robyn down to background, but couldn't cut her completely because of this confrontation with Jacquelyn. So far we've seen her and her partner at Theresa's for New Year's, at the "formal" book party in New York, and at the book signing (were they at Delores' birthday too?). That would also explain whatever "history" she thinks she has with Rosie -- it could be stuff that was filmed that we didn't see. 

11 hours ago, Keepitmoving said:

Also, Tre's friend, the new woman, forgot her name, and the other woman she brought with her, are they a couple?

I could have sworn that Melissa referred to them as a couple.

This is the other thing that makes me think they shot Robyn as a try-out housewife -- Andy's been trying to get a lesbian housewife since the original DC season. Robyn's partner seems so low key and boring, though. I bet their at-home scenes were even duller than Delores' dog and renovation storylines. 

I need Melania to give me pancake making lessons -- if I get one that comes out that good looking, I'm pleased. 

[archer1267]

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I thoroughly enjoyed Joe Gorga this episode, so  I'm assuming pigs can now fly.

I have a male friend like that...every sport you mention, he either was offered a college scholarship for it (even bowling!) or is exceptionally good at it. I expected a little more from JoeGo. He's lucky he didn't have much momentum when he skidded into the woods, it could have ended badly. Maybe he does NordicTrack at the gym and thought it would translate into actual skiing finesse?

To be fair, he DOES seem like a decent shuffleboard player ;-)

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Jac is just...ridiculous.  Who sends out a text message that they "made love" - who does that?

Someone who's gloating, maybe? Among my friends, the euphemism is "we got a late start." I've been married for 15 years and have never used language like that with my friends. I guess it would have been too nuanced for Jacqueline to just say "I'm okay, and Chris and I have just been relaxing and enjoying some down time" and let the others read between the lines. It's too bad Ramona Singer wasn't around, she would have had a LOT to say about Jacqueline bringing Chris on a girls' trip.

Edited September 26, 2016 by archer1267

[Giselle]

Loved Joe Gorga this episode especially the skiing and the commentary on the bus.

"Tda, tda, tda ,tda, I thought l was a woman...I'm glad I got one hanging."

Chris is a mushroom stuck deep in Jaq's bullshit.

[Iguessnot]

2 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

 

I'm a sucker for shit going on in the background; for whatever reason it makes me laugh. There was a scene in The X-Files ("Hollywood A.D.") once with Mulder in the foreground while, way back behind him, was Scully trying to teach Téa Leoni how to run in heels. I loved it.
 

God I loved that episode!!!

[TattleTeeny]

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I hate Chris Laurita for putting up with Jac's bullshit.  Where are his balls? Why doesn't he ever tell her to STFU?

Somehow, even in the muck of this show, he seems a little more reasonable and aware of the presence of a camera than the others do. Maybe he's hesitant to appear disloyal to his wife in front of others and tells her in private to cut the shit?

Edited September 26, 2016 by TattleTeeny

[AttackTurtle]

26 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

Somehow, even in the muck of this show, he seems a little more reasonable and aware of the presence of a camera than the others do. Maybe he's hesitant to appear disloyal to his wife in front of others and tells her in private to cut the shit?

Chris knows they need the money from her being on the show.  I've never cared for Jaq, but he's always come off as a decent guy.   I did love his TH about Ashley after she got engaged.

[ghoulina]

6 minutes ago, AttackTurtle said:

Chris knows they need the money from her being on the show.

Exactly. Did you see how quickly he offered to model for Melissa's fashion show? Homeboy needs to pay the bills!

[Primetimer]

And the more fights at each one, the better, as a trip to Vermont throws various fragile peaces under the bus.

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[teapot]

I am kind of curious as to what was going on with them wearing their robes to dinner...I've stayed at inns such as that and it never occurred to me to not put on some dress-for-dinner clothes...however, now that I know that it's a thing...I ain't mad at it.

[Giselle]

Jaq wanted Robyn gone simply because she was an ally of Theresa's and that is why she provoked Robyn. It's the same reason she's stirring up shit with Melissa because of jealousy and she doesn't like the new dynamic. The worst thing that could happen for Jaq is to have Kathy and Rosie either back off from Theresa completely and be ok with it or get back together with her. She has to be the one closest to Theresa and also has to be above Theresa.

Jaq is more of a danger to Theresa than Robyn ever could be. She instigates conflict, provokes trouble,  and relishes the entire mess and it's aftermath.  There is no reason for Theresa to be worried about her parole if those two, J & R,  got physical. The most the judge could say is no contact. That might be a good thing when it comes to dealing with Jaq.

The best thing Theresa could do is cut Jaq out as much as possible when able. She's trouble.

[psychoticstate]

I fell asleep during part of this but I thought the Vermont trip was going to be ladies only?  

That said, I would want to kill someone if I had to be trapped in that bus for 8 hours with those loons.

I don't understand how Jac could be ripping on Robyn for being horrible enough to threaten a fight with Teresa around - - which could be devastating for her legally - - when she did the exact same thing.  Does she need some St. John's Wort or something stronger because ho is ready for a beat down at the drop of a hat.  Chris should be mortified, as well as worrying about any potential business ventures because it certainly doesn't make him look good.   Jac needs yoga or some "going away" time because she's wound tighter than anyone I've seen.

And why would Siggy and Delores say they are leaving if Jac does?  Say what?  If Jac wants to go, let her go.

JoeGo skiing was the best. I'm not a great skier by any means and I'm glad that he's okay but I busted out laughing seeing the Angel from God fly into those trees and then fall again when Melissa was trying to help him. 

[zoeysmom]

Teresa commenting on Jacqueline slapping Caroline, I guess she forgot the table flip and the Andy toss.  There is no depth in these characters. 

[TattleTeeny]

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I am kind of curious as to what was going on with them wearing their robes to dinner...I've stayed at inns such as that and it never occurred to me to not put on some dress-for-dinner clothes...however, now that I know that it's a thing...I ain't mad at it.

I don't think I would like that--I want everything to be clean and unadulterated when I go to bed later, no "outside" stuff on me or my jim-jams! Yes, I know that's ridiculous, especially when sleeping in a hotel bed (ugh) but that's how I roll (full of neuroses). 

When it cut back to Jacqueline on What's Her name's lap, I was legitimately "WTF?" all over the place! I'm not saying I would never do such a thing at all, just not to someone I barely know and am I'm in a heated debate with!

Edited September 26, 2016 by TattleTeeny

[zulualpha]

38 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

Exactly. Did you see how quickly he offered to model for Melissa's fashion show? Homeboy needs to pay the bills!

When they were filming Jacq and Chris in bed and Jacq shoved her ass in Chris's face I thought, this is just a hop, skip and jump away from a Laurita porn fest.  A Bravo first but would anybody really be surprised?  For an extra $10k I bet they'd be happy to do it doggy style or Jacq on top,  the sky's the limit with those two is the vibe I get.  Jacq's probably has very few "don'ts" sexually speaking and I'm sure Chris is right there with her.

[FlyingEgret]

How could anyone have a serious conversation with Melissa while she was wearing that cat ski mask?

[Keepitmoving]

12 hours ago, breezy424 said:

I don't think Jac is jealous of Tre and Mel's relationship.  I think the truth is that Jac sees the phoniness of it.  I also think Jac sees that Robyn is a fake as well. 

I guess she would be the expert because she's phony, and there for a check just like the rest. But I'm not interested in a hypocrite trying to constantly point out who's phony when I see them as being just as phony.

She's fake like rest yet not even remotely entertaining.

I don't know why she can't take her ass over to that Manzo show, because I'm done. I have no interest in seeing another phony make up between this nut and Tre. I'm not invested in this friendship and I'm not sure I ever was, I don't see the point.

If someone other than Tre literally bitch slaps her then that'll be must see tv, other than that, I don't need to see her film with Tre. She needs to be cut off just like Kathy and Rosie.

[LilaFowler]

How many trips has Wacky Jackie ruined now?  Looks like she flips out again next week.  She and Eeyore must be desperate for the cash.

Siggy or whatever her name is, is so annoying with the constant "I love yous."  It's too much and I don't like it.  That, and the constant Jewish references.  She and that woman from RHONY should get together and try to out-Jew each other.  We get it, enough already.

So Robyn and Rosie dated? 

Joe Gorga skiing into the woods was such an unexpected treasure.  That was hilarious.  There is nothing funnier than watching people try to ski.

Edited September 26, 2016 by LilaFowler

[Giselle]

47 minutes ago, zulualpha said:

When they were filming Jacq and Chris in bed and Jacq shoved her ass in Chris's face I thought, this is just a hop, skip and jump away from a Laurita porn fest.  A Bravo first but would anybody really be surprised?  For an extra $10k I bet they'd be happy to do it doggy style or Jacq on top,  the sky's the limit with those two is the vibe I get.  Jacq's probably has very few "don'ts" sexually speaking and I'm sure Chris is right there with her.

It's easier for me to believe that Jaq paid the bills slinging herself around a pole than Melissa.

[PerPlexied]

I haven't seen such wonky editing since the Orange County Season 9 with Danielle. Robyn must have really pissed off a producer. She's been chopped out of so much. She had her own drama with Rosie at the book signing but we only get a two second flashback? And her fight with The Joker came faster than Joe Gorga when Melissa decides to swing on Tarzan. 

Edited September 26, 2016 by PerPlexied

[ZaldamoWilder]

14 hours ago, DivaLasVegas82 said:

I'm surprised we never heard that Teresa and Chris went out one time, and that Dina set them up. It seems like that would have come out in Season 1 when Dina, Teresa, Jacq, and Caroline were all getting along. I miss those days. It makes me wonder would Jacq and Teresa still be friends and Dina and Caroline still be close sisters if they hadn't gone on reality TV. I'm thinking yes.  While reality TV doesn't necessarily create problems, it can magnify and intensify existing ones. When you have co-stars, producers, media, and viewers involved in your personal business, it puts a lot of pressure on marriages, friendships, and familial ties.

Right?  I don't know if it's being on tv per se, but there aren't any other circumstances in life where you'd be privy to your friend/family member's thought bubble.   They always seem to get in their feelings by the reunion, when, presumably, they're all caught up on episodes.   One of my bffs is an ASL interpreter and lip reader so okay, there's at least one other circumstance I can think of lol.   Point is, it might be possible to stay on tv and maintain your relationships, but they need to get better at watching what they say *cough* on a hot mic, in a vineyard.   

5 hours ago, ghoulina said:

I can't believe they called the episode "Rage On My Ass"! It sounds so ridiculous. 

I felt bad for Milania when she said, "There she goes, on another trip". Tre hasn't been out very long and she's already left overnight twice. I get that in her mind, she thinks they need to spend time with Joe now. But clearly Milania, at least, really missed her. Then again, it IS work, and they need the money. And I did love the pancake scene with Milania and Joe. That's pretty impressive for a 10-year-old. Her pancakes looked better than mine!

Is there an Olympics for being a douche? 'Cause Joe "I'm the Best at Everything" could medal in that. 

I did feel for him, and Chris, on that bus, though. Wow. It was loud. But, for the record, I get what Jac was saying. Tre DID tell them the door was always open. I get what she was going for, but I do think that from the other end, it could leave room for interpretation. I wish she would have just said, "I wish you the best" and left it at that. But I also wish other people would stop being the "voice" for Kathy/Rosie when they're not even in an episode. Over it. 

The rest of Jac's behavior on that trip, though? Cuckoo! She is so irrational and immature whenever some type of conflict arises. She screams and gets this wild look in her eyes. Who sits on someone's lap in the middle of a fight? She's just insane! Then she retreats to her room in the name of "alone time" with Chris. Yea, okay. 

Also, I feel like that final scene was staged. It was really odd. I do not think Siggy and Dolores, all on their own, decided that Robyn's behavior was a threat to Tre's parole. I feel like that was some crazy idea Jac hatched, but had them voice it, in contrast to her whole, "I'm going home" temper tantrum. The whole thing just felt off. And someone should commit Jacqueline. 

Ya'll why is interpretive?   My door is always opened is hr speak for:  you can come see me anytime, it is not a traditional relationship ender.  And the thing is, it wouldn'tve been that difficult to say nothing.  The statement she made right before that about needing to focus on herself and not wanting to be bothered right now was plen-ty sufficient.    Omg, it's like that time Chandler broke up with Rachel's boss and filled in the awkwardness of the end of his sentence with:  ok, this was great, let's do it again sometime, I'll call you.   Tre has no right to be annoyed if they're about to view that as hopeful.   Still and all, Jac is giving too much Norma Desmond about the whole thing, even for working on television. 

2 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

I hate Chris Laurita for putting up with Jac's bullshit.  Where are his balls? Why doesn't he ever tell her to STFU? 

See this is what I'm studying in bio lab right now.   She has the emotional maturity of a child between 4 and 8 years old.   Her dysfunction, I understand, it's not latent lol.   But there's a moment in the preview for next week where she has adrenalized enough to launch her torso and finger across a table which she doesn't even know she's scaling and his eyelashes never move.  Again, I understand, it's for the dough and the audience, but she's not that good and actress and this muffucah is right at the tipping point all the time.   Not a good look, indeed. 

[jaync]

Always a pleasure seeing that nasty piece of jerky Kim D. Not. Did Posche and Envy have to duke it out to see who gets this season's fashion show?

Jac's cray? Who knew? Zzzz.

Was nobody else going to eat any of those pancakes? No wonder Milania's a chunk.

Siggy looked good in that dress. She has a nice body.

Echo on the hilariousness of Joey's "skiing". I've always found him entertaining, though.

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When they were filming Jacq and Chris in bed and Jacq shoved her ass in Chris's face I thought, this is just a hop, skip and jump away from a Laurita porn fest. 

Eh, that was no more risqué or raunchy than some of the things the Giudices have done and said.

[Muffyn]

3 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

I hate Chris Laurita for putting up with Jac's bullshit.  Where are his balls? Why doesn't he ever tell her to STFU? 

I have a theory.  To save money on the multitude of injectables that maintain Jac's Easter Island head face, they have been harvesting material from Chris' balls.  Sure, it sounds nuts (in more ways than one), but it makes sense.  First, it explains why Chris more and more appears like a ballless wonder.  Second, all of those excess male hormones so close to her brain explain Jac's rage issues.  If he's not careful, she'll harvest his scrotum to help stretch over her increasingly large cheeks. 

Chris on is phone while Jac was ranting was reality TV gold. 

1 hour ago, FlyingEgret said:

How could anyone have a serious conversation with Melissa while she was wearing that cat ski mask?

That whole scene was so good.  Mel in her cat mask.  Joe Go skiing off into the woods.  The thing I like about the Jersey crew is how often they seem to forget they are on camera and do ridiculous things like this. 

Edited September 26, 2016 by Muffyn

[ghoulina]

1 hour ago, TattleTeeny said:

When it cut back to Jacqueline on What's Her name's lap, I was legitimately "WTF?" all over the place! I'm not saying I would never do such a thing at all, just not to someone I barely know and am I'm in a heated debate with!

She did the exact same thing to her husband the next day. Sitting on your husband? Cool. Sitting on a random broad you're fighting with? No.

[Giselle]

I believe Theresa pre-qualified her "if you need anything door is always open" statement by the conversation they had earlier in the sitdown saying."Now, I only want people around me who were there for me at the time", "My heart is hardened can you respect that" and "Please don't, I don't want you to." to Rosie saying she's not gonna beg.

Both sides essentially said for the big stuff were here for each other. Whether that's true is another story. Theresa made it clear with her prior statements that it certainly does not mean come over with a cookie tray when the thought strikes or the cameras are rolling MOST of all not any time soon.  

The only one needing clarification on this is Crazy Jaq who misinterpreted  what was said and doesn't have a dog in this fight. It's between Gorgas and Wakiles. If Rosie or Kathy came away with anything different then they are more dense than ever and need a rock to the head when they come up the driveway. Jaq just needs to be sunk in the river with a bag of rocks.

Edited September 26, 2016 by Giselle

[Blondie]

16 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

She did the exact same thing to her husband the next day. Sitting on your husband? Cool. Sitting on a random broad you're fighting with? No.

It could be viewed as assault, especially when Robin told her repeatedly to get off.  LOL  press charges Robin!

[Juneau Gal]

My take away from this episode? There IS someone worse at cross country skiing than me!!!! OMG, Jo Go skiing gave me life. I really needed a good laugh. 

[beesknees]

I couldn't figure out what the fight was all about.  Every time Tre started talking in her screech voice the dog high tailed it out of the room.  Milania making those perfect pancakes (she's no joke!) left me in awe HOWEVER Joe should have told her that spraying Pam into an already hot pan over an open flame no less! is a huge no-no.  She could get severe facial burns doing that because of flare-ups.

Edited September 26, 2016 by beesknees

[movingtargetgal]

Chris always has this look on his face that says "I am so freaking stuck with this crazy ass bitch.  Please somebody shoot me and put me out of my misery.".  Before Nick was diagnosed he could have left Jac and shared custody of the boys.  However, because of Nick's disability he can not leave.  He can't trust Jac to be left alone with the boys because she is bat shit crazy.  He needs to be by her side to keep her on an even keel.  Taking care of Jacqueline is a full time job.

[JAYJAY1979]

This episode is why I prefer the day to day focus vs the grpup trips.  In the day to day, the women seem more likable..or less crazy (in jacquelines case).

Id rather group stuff be reserved for the trips cause if you keep peeps apart that have beef...thw tension will grow and more organic explosions will occur.  My mom growing up told me people in her family would pretend all was good until family holidays where blow ups would happen.  

A little conflict goes a long way.

[happykitteh]

5 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Teresa commenting on Jacqueline slapping Caroline, I guess she forgot the table flip and the Andy toss.  There is no depth in these characters. 

Teresa doesn't act like that anymore. Jac still does, which is why it's relevant. And we've seen numerous replays of the table flip and the Andy shove so regular viewers are already aware of that. Jac's attack on Caroline was only mentioned twice that I recall.

[psychoticstate]

4 hours ago, jaync said:

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When they were filming Jacq and Chris in bed and Jacq shoved her ass in Chris's face I thought, this is just a hop, skip and jump away from a Laurita porn fest. 

Eh, that was no more risqué or raunchy than some of the things the Giudices have done and said

True.  The difference for me though is even as retch worthy as some of Teresa and Juicy's actions have been, it still feels like that's just them.

With Jac and Chris, it feels forced and desperate.  Kind of "Look at me! Look at me! Look at me!" Jac always seems desperate and on the border of hysterics to me. 

[happykitteh]

5 hours ago, zulualpha said:

When they were filming Jacq and Chris in bed and Jacq shoved her ass in Chris's face I thought, this is just a hop, skip and jump away from a Laurita porn fest.  A Bravo first but would anybody really be surprised?  For an extra $10k I bet they'd be happy to do it doggy style or Jacq on top,  the sky's the limit with those two is the vibe I get.  Jacq's probably has very few "don'ts" sexually speaking and I'm sure Chris is right there with her.

Haha! I was laughing at that scene because Chris seemed less than pleased to have Jac's fat ass shoved in his face.

[zoeysmom]

There is something terribly off about the editing and production this year and the ratings pretty well reflect my statement. 

Let's begin with Robyn.  Robyn has appeared on Manzo'd with Children, hung out with Rosie, and was apparently going to come on as a friend of Jacqueline in the ridiculous Teresa vs, Jacqueline war.  Which in and of itself is fairly ridiculous, as there clearly are no winners in that scenario. 

The problems with this week's episode, first off we have a girls' trip scheduled in snow in nearby Vermont because there isn't any snow in New Jersey or recreational facilities?  The purpose of the trip was to give Teresa respite from the rigors of being released from a women's prison and her husband days away from incarceration for three years?  Why would she want to be away from her husband with the days winding down?  Why have it in Vermont if it isn't a girls' trip if it meant Joe Giudice not going?  Teresa is terrified of dogs so they take her dog sledding?  What next take Teresa to a polygraph appointment and see if she pees on the rug after she walks in the door?

Next, why invite Robyn? First off her business is media and apparently she and her wife are brawlers. Apparently she and the two newbies were hired and paid the same for a try out as RHNJ.  When Robyn bolted the Jacqueline side, Jacqueline was displeased.  How would we know any of this as the editing was so incredibly poor you could not tell what the women were arguing over?  It just looked like a bunch of mish mashed scenes thrown together.

I realize Teresa has fans but to many there is essentially something wrong with giving the criminal a pass because she had a difficult eleven months as a result of her crimes and her husband is going away for three years and most likely deported as a result of his crimes.  Reality for criminals is they have to work really hard to just get even and hope to win their way back into society.  Not book parties, attorneys as bodyguards and a group of people who Teresa exiled Season 6 and helped carried the show during the successful years. Teresa is then allowed the exile because they didn't send cards and letters while she was incarcerated? I don't think she should be shunned but by the same token I think she should have to leave her grudges at Danbury. Why Teresa gets a platinum standard not even afforded Lisa Venderpump, Vicki Gunvalson or Bethenny Frankel is beyond me.  It is not making for good TV.  I like a pretty pancake as much as the next person but a kid telling her practicing alcoholic, grumpy, delusional father she is going to kick him where the sun doesn't shine is just not  good TV.  Nor is watching a kid with an aerosol can spray towards an open flame.

The thing that is sinking this franchise is with the exception of the newbies Delores and Siggy the others are deeply dependent on the show to earn a living.   Jacqueline may be less so because Chris actually works but what we are seeing are the power struggles to see who gets to work and earn a living as opposed to their lives.  I believe the difference is what makes RHOBH, RHONYC, and RHOC more palatable and relatable.  It really isn't all the fun watching Melissa, Teresa and Jacqueline in their mansions just steps away from the creditors year after year. 

[njbchlover]

5 hours ago, FlyingEgret said:

How could anyone have a serious conversation with Melissa while she was wearing that cat ski mask?

I wondered how much Melissa got paid for wearing that ridiculous thing from the company that made it.  

It wasn't even that cold (they all commented on the lack of cold), there wasn't a lot of snow, and they were cross country skiing, not downhill, so no real wind whipping around either.  

Edited September 26, 2016 by njbchlover

[BodhiGurl]

Gotta love Jaq's desperate attempt to get even more attention by threatening to leave with Chris. So obvious that it was an attention grab, I would have said 'have a safe trip back' while fighting my eyes needing to roll... talk about fake... pffft... 

[TattleTeeny]

I would tell her to go ahead and handle her life how she sees fit--and let others do the same, while she's at it!

[FaithsMum]

Jesus wept, Jac is a child. She's like a jealous boyfriend who doesn't want to share his girlfriend with anyone else and wants the be the most important, if not only, person in her life: "maybe Robyn is closer to Teresa now." Well so what if she is? That doesn't invalidate your friendship or mean you can't hang out with her other friends. Does anyone over the age of fourteen think about a friend's hierarchy the way Jac does? It's weird!

I can't stand Spoon Face but she was right when she said that her mother acts like a twelve year old. Spoon Face has always had her mother's number; it's just unfortunate that she's so fucking obnoxious too. Jac becomes more unhinged and more immature with every season. 

Melissa was right in the limo about Jac constantly inserting herself in the cousins drama. Stfu. Tre has asked more than once you stay out of it yet she apparently feels it's her job to act as the Wakile mouthpiece.

[happykitteh]

11 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

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The thing that is sinking this franchise is with the exception of the newbies Delores and Siggy the others are deeply dependent on the show to earn a living.   Jacqueline may be less so because Chris actually works but what we are seeing are the power struggles to see who gets to work and earn a living as opposed to their lives.  I believe the difference is what makes RHOBH, RHONYC, and RHOC more palatable and relatable.  It really isn't all the fun watching Melissa, Teresa and Jacqueline in their mansions just steps away from the creditors year after year. 

Chris doesn't work, he does everything he can to NOT work by coming up with idiotic failure products like black water and shrunken popcorn - and embezzling money from of what was supposed to be a legit business, the failed apparel company he was a partner in. Jac is as desperate for money as Tre and Mel are. She said in the first ep they has to sell possessions and are going to lose their house (I think in real time they still have it, were able to save it).

I agree this franchise is failing and I think the reason is their hearts aren't in it anymore - it's ALL about the paycheck and nothing more.  In previous seasons they (Tre, Mel, Jac, Kathy) not only loved the money but also the "fame" and the chance to be on tv. They loved showing off their lives, contrived and phony as they were, and took pleasure in the actual filming of the show. Now Tre and Mel seem to be plodding through just to collect the desperately needed paycheck.  They both seem defeated. Tre has no other means of support. Mel and JoeGo are inches away from losing it all if Mel isn't on the show. Kathy is also desperate for a HW paycheck to pay for her McMansion. Jac needs the paycheck to keep her home and support her family since Chris has no real means of income. They all built their house of cards on continuing to get a paycheck from Bravo.  I think if Tre had the money to support her girls and didn't still have debt to pay off she wouldn't have come back. I don't think Mel would have either, given the choice. Jac needs to NOT be on this show period. She is not mentally stable and needs to be in therapy and perhaps even in an inpatient program to get her shit together. IMO, the reason Andy asked Jac back as a full time hw rather than Kathy is because he's hoping Jac has a mental breakdown on camera. He's well aware of her mental state from previous seasons (she couldn't even attend a reunion her last season on the show because of metal health issues) but he's such a bastard he only wants good tv and thinks this would be great entertainment. Chris comes off like a nice guy but I think he's selfish. If he was any kind of a husband he'd see what's happening to Jac and insist she get off the show and seek help. But then he'd have to get a real job and support the family himself, so............

[Sai]

I agree with everyone who said Milania makes great pancakes.  When I saw her making them I said out loud, "Wow, Milania makes great pancakes for a 10 year old!"  Actually, she makes great pancakes for any age.  I bet Teresa taught her how to make pancakes.  Big difference between 10 year old Milania making a big stack of pancakes vs. Melissa's son demanding her to bring him a poptart.  Ugh!  

I liked when Milania was trying to force feed Joe a forkful of pancake and he told her to knock it off and if a drop of syrup fell anywhere she would be in trouble.  Thank you, Joe!!  I cannot stand when my hubby and kids eat pancakes and syrup gets on the table, counter, floor, wherever.  Nasty sticky shit and it really irks the crap outta me.  One of my pet peeves I guess.  A lady at work brought in maple syrup scented soap for the lady's room.  I hated it!!  I used it once.  My hands smelled like syrup all day and I just felt really sticky even though my hands were perfectly clean, lol.

Edited September 27, 2016 by Sai

[TattleTeeny]

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A lady at work brought in maple syrup scented soap for the lady's room.  I hated it!!  I used it once.  My hands smelled like syrup all day and I just felt really sticky even though my hands were perfectly clean, lol.

That might be the worst invention I have ever heard of. With the exception of citrusy stuff and maybe cucumber, I can't stand when soaps or lotions or candles smell like food. Doesn't even matter if I like the food--NO FOOD SCENTS!

[Jeanius]

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I've lived in NJ most of my life but I still don't understand the purpose of waving one's hand in front of one's face whilst crying.

I do this very rarely. I happened to the other day, when I had put on a face of make-up, and got the eyes looking good. Then, I started crying over something, just a few tears, and I had no tissue handy.  It is a relatively ineffective attempt to air dry the tears with some "wind." It is mostly used to fake that one is crying - one merely blows them away with a few flutters of the hands. Sob!!

[Marigold]

i can't figure out if Jacq is really mentally ill or an actress looking for a paycheck.

Chris was so chill when Jacq was ranting...he didn't even blink twice...like no big deal. Makes me think Jacq is just messing with everyone on purpose and when Chris and Jacq get home, they laugh about it while driving the the bank to cash their check. 

[MaggieG]

Oh, thank you Joe Go for flying into the trees. That cracked me up and I had to rewind it several times!

Jacq, what in hell? This woman is nutty. And then the next day, she wouldn't even come out of her room to let Siggy and Dolores know she wasn't coming. At least open the door and say "hey, sorry, not coming."

Ugh, Kim D

[TattleTeeny]

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I do this very rarely. I happened to the other day, when I had put on a face of make-up, and got the eyes looking good. Then, I started crying over something, just a few tears, and I had no tissue handy.  It is a relatively ineffective attempt to air dry the tears with some "wind." It is mostly used to fake that one is crying - one merely blows them away with a few flutters of the hands. Sob!!

Off topic but might I recommend Pacifica products (no, I do not work for the company, haha!)? Waterproof as hell yet easy to take off just by washing your face like normal--no separate eye-makeup remover needed! The other day, I saw the dumbest meme on FB that made me laugh on and off all day to the point of tears...and no running at all! Also, inexpensive and cruelty-free/vegan. 

[archer1267]

The Daily Mail has some hilarious stills of Jacq: