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While I generally find the Duggars' views on gender roles reprehensible, learning to sew is a great skill to have, whether as a hobby or a career.  Sure, these girls probably weren't offered a chance

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I dunno, it doesn't bother me like old dudes in banana hammocks.  But I am one of those weirdos who thinks pregnant women's bodies are amazing.  I also agree that Amy is looking darned good and I don'

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Ah, yes, Duggar Family Official. So deeply concerned about the unborn.  But when it comes to the born-but-then-dropped-after-six-months-like-a-hot-potato-people, they don't concern you a bit

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3 hours ago, McManda said:

Who is the kissing couple behind Grandma Mary? (Edit: is that Lauren's parents? it would give more explaination to that engagement, if Lauren's parents are exactly like JB and Michelle.) And why are they kissing in a family photo at Josh's birthday? Why are people kissing in a family photo at all?!

And Joe's got a hand in Kendra's bump. Ugh.

Good for Jackson in being one of the only Duggar kids that make me laugh rather than heavy sigh in disbelief. The double photobomb is actually kinda impressive.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the tacky kissing couple is Lauren's parents. Her mother recently had a baby boy. I lbelieve I read that she's 43, so there is a slim chance that we could see a mommy/daughter pregnancy scenario. I guess we can thank our lucky stars that never happened with Mechelle and one of her bio daughters. 

33 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

When a guy wears a bra, isn't it called a bro?

I can't believe he's only 30.  Perviness ages one, apparently.

Well, his shirt DOES say HOGS on it. Nothing like self-advertising. 

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questionfear

questionfear

12 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

How did he do that? Was he at one spot at the beginning of the panoramic shot and then went behind and around the camera to go to the other side in time? I seriously want to try that sometime.

That's not difficult to do if you time it right. I remember doing a panoramic for my freshman class picture in college, and I think the last line of people on one end sprinted to the other end to bookend the photo.

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flyingdi

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On ‎3‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 8:28 PM, Mollie said:

Who posts a picture without looking at it first?  Answer: nobody.  Amy acts like a bimbo starlet who has a 'wardrobe malfunction' and makes sure it is caught on camera and published.  If she were really embarrassed, she would just shut up about it.

Amy's Tweet: "Literally still freaking out.... please Lord don't let it end up in the tabloids.... I. WILL. JUST. DIE."

Does she think her Lord is reading her tweets?

No, but she hopes to hell the tabloids are!

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On 3/12/2018 at 5:55 PM, Brown eyed girl said:

Josh needs to start wearing a bra. I know women love a man who has boobs that hang that low. Yuck ? BE13B13F-6604-433E-8BB0-E386FFFF0F2D.thumb.jpeg.6c821ae884da9bb6dc2d575fb5eee073.jpeg

Um that is a Bro or Manzier.  Bra's are for girls.  HA!  He is one disgusting schlub isn't he?  Anna looks like she is trying really hard to keep a pleasant countenance.  Or maybe Douchelord said something about sexytime and she is practicing smile therapy (Ally McBeal reference).  

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Nysha

Nysha

I'll give Josie a pass, simply because my grandson is 7, in kindergarten, and still doesn't know all his letters. However, he's also on the autism spectrum, ADHD, and is in the process of being tested for learning disabilities. Also, my youngest was homeschooled until junior high and he didn't learn to read until he was 9, when I told him that I wasn't going to read Age of Mythology magazines to him anymore. If he wanted the hints & cheats he would have to read them himself. By the time end of the school year, he was reading at grade level.

6 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

Why does all their books have to be about Jesus. Can the kids learn to read and write with a regular school book. 

Nope, they're homeschooling for Jesus and regular books will slip in evolution, humanism, and evil secular ideas that would cause their children to turn their backs on the one true God.

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Totally

Totally

Whoa my DS Has done 8 weeks of his first year of school this year, he has ASD and is still way ahead of what Josie is showing us. He’s reading books and sounding out, counting by 2’s adding and subtracting way ahead of writing the correct letter next to its capital letter and that’s in first 8 weeks of school

I truly feel for Josie if she is in need of specialist help and not receiving any 

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As a teacher myself (K-12, English, history and a SpEd credential), I have seen a lot of teaching and learning, and I am SO damn curious about the curriculum along with what a “school day” looks like for them.

Josie’s workbook looks like pre-school or Kindergarten material to me. I guess the Duggar “grade system” is based on a timetable similar to the one used for dog years (no disrespect to every precious dog on the planet!).

Relying on computers by grade 3 only further isolates these “students”, even if their “classmates” are their siblings. That’s one more lost shot at practicing social skills and mastering verbal expression (i.e. mastering “neat”, “special” and “encouraging” in the English language!).

Laptops are OK in terms of accessing content for some things, but the “cons” outweigh the “pros” in more ways than I can begin to list,  especially when there is such a heavy usage or dependency of any type of electronic device, educational or not. The reality is that kids ARE addicted to phones, iPads and other devices and the regression that happens by the time they get to classroom is real. Most students are losing fine motor skills and they almost all have the handwriting of serial killers, struggle to think critically and cannot express themselves verbally if their lives depended on it.

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Temperance

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Josie, in the picture, doesn't seem to be learning her letters or learning to read. That seems to me to be a writing exercise, most likely to practice writing the letters. It's possible that they want her to work on her handwriting. That's something special ed services would be doing in the schools near me with kids her age. Letter writing was taught in first grade. The schools figured it would take a while for the kids to learn to write. If a kid's handwriting was still bad at this point,(halfway through second grade) she would eligible to get help to improve it.

It doesn't mean she isn't capable of more. Penmanship doesn't necessarily correspond with IQ. 

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Barb23

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I enlarged the picture & the cartoon at the top references Jesus.  The bottom portion exercise is to write the lower case letter next to the upper case one shown. I don't have a teaching background but the letters Josie has filled in aren't written that well- more on a kindergarten or even preschool level. Not sure what school program(s) they use but is it up to date & how does it compares with what children are being taught in a regular school?

I really hate to snark on Josie & her learning abilities. Poor thing doesn't have a chance with this family & their lack of realizing she needs extra help.  It would be nice if Laura is a one on one teacher/tutor just for her but I doubt that. 

BTW, I love her glasses & at least someone realized she needed them. 

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becca3891

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On 3/6/2018 at 8:26 AM, Catfin said:

Eh, it's another form of attention whoring for her. Why would she call attention to it something she didn't want noticed? Sure, she removed it, but ?trying to stay relevant and failing. 

Yup, that was pretty transparent. So, you deleted a stupid legs in the bathtub photo that probably no one thought twice about. You were panicked that someone might notice the reflection, so your instinct was to make a big deal about it? Not to be mean, but she's not a Kardashian. Does she really think the whole world would care that much? Who even knows who she is?

On 3/12/2018 at 10:11 PM, Sew Sumi said:

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the tacky kissing couple is Lauren's parents. Her mother recently had a baby boy. I lbelieve I read that she's 43, so there is a slim chance that we could see a mommy/daughter pregnancy scenario. I guess we can thank our lucky stars that never happened with Mechelle and one of her bio daughters. 

Well, his shirt DOES say HOGS on it. Nothing like self-advertising. 

Kendra's mom could easily end up pregnant at the same time as her mom too, since she's still so young. 

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Lady Edith

Lady Edith

On 5/8/2016 at 8:11 PM, Lillybee said:

Mullet and Boob, while you are in Walmart, why not buy the lost girls some decent shoes. I shudder at the thought of them riding their new bikes with flip-flops that are way to big for them.

I nearly severed a toe as a kid while riding a bike wearing flip flops.  My mom wasn’t the most observant parent of the bunch.  She paid attention after that.  A trip to the ER and resulting surgeries assured that.  

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cmr2014

cmr2014

On 4/5/2018 at 8:33 PM, louannems said:

If Laura is hashtagging #teacherlife best life, can we assume that she is indeed teaching all the kids?  Or maybe just special Josie?  

Why isn't J'chelle "teaching" her children? There are only six left under 16. There are plenty of adults around to manage the household. The speaking engagements have dried up to the point where they no longer need full-time "scheduling" services. Her whole schtick about home schooling was that it provided her the opportunity to work one-on-one with her children to provide them with the best possible educational opportunities.

What do these people do all day?

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floridamom

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According to their Gothard beliefs, the Duggars stated that their MOTHER should be their first and only teacher. The mother was the one to cook,, clean, do laundry, and INSTRUCT the children in homeschool. This way they had NO outside influences. Their beliefs didn't state that if you can sucker someone else in to being a nanny/teacher for you, it's fine with God. Michelle has NO excuse at this time to not be teaching her own children....all of them. She's just a lazy person, and IMO, has always been.

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BitterApple

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8 minutes ago, floridamom said:

 She's just a lazy person, and IMO, has always been.

Exactly. If anything it should be easier for her now that the majority of her children are adults or close to it. Michelle has always had tons of outside help, despite what she wants everyone to believe. Mary lived there, the church ladies came by regularly, the Hartonos, several of the Keller girls, Tabitha Paine and now Laura. She has no excuse for not being hands-on with the schooling.

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Lady Edith

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And isn’t it a little curious that the majority of the above people have direct ties to IBLP?  Payne’s, Keller’s, Laura...I think the Duggars are being monitored.  Too much shadiness going on that could potentially tarnish the IBLP brand beyond what it is. They now need handlers so the cult can keep tight reigns on the outer face of the org. Just like Tom Cruise has a full staff of $cientologists keeping an eye on him under the guise of being his “assistants”. 

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cmr2014

cmr2014

7 minutes ago, louannems said:

I think Michelle is too checked out to be juggling several different grades at once. She hasn't actually homeschooled, doing the teaching herself, since the girls were old enough to take over.

Of course, the Duggars will never explain to us the reasons why Michelle needs help teaching her kids.

I think you're exactly right. I think that J'chelle doesn't do any of the homeschooling because she doesn't want to do any of the homeschooling. i'm sure it's presented as "God laid it on JB's heart" that J'chelle should devote her time to purposing to something something rather than homeschooling.

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Odd that Laura said a "whole grade" rather than specifying which grade. I'm guessing because Jose finished kindergarten at age 8. Not something to be ashamed of if its due to learning differences.

The Duggars are all about sharing their vague Christian messages and went on & on about how Michelle risked her life to have Josie, yet they possibly ignore highlighting some of the issues that may come along with being a micro-preemie. Or they're clueless.

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Churchhoney

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1 hour ago, Lady Edith said:

And isn’t it a little curious that the majority of the above people have direct ties to IBLP?  Payne’s, Keller’s, Laura...I think the Duggars are being monitored.  Too much shadiness going on that could potentially tarnish the IBLP brand beyond what it is. 

I'm skeptical.

Would the Gothard gang really worry that the Duggars -- most of whom are still very young people and even children -- are somehow perpetrating worse stuff than both Bill Gothard and his brothers. Two of whom, including Bill, are serial harassers, adulterers, insidious groomers and icky pedophile-like fetishistic molesters of the most vulnerable of young girls and harassers and tormentors of a few vulnerable young men into the bargain for decades while never ever ever admitting to it to this very day. .... while their other brother is a blatant financial con man who marched piously under the holy-Gothard banner while fleecing elderly parishioners out of their savings? 

That's what I don't get about the "Yikes, the Gothard empire is trying to protect itself against Duggar taint!" theory.

The amount of crud perpetrated by the Gothard family alone, and totally winked at by the so-called "leadership" of that group, is absolutely staggering.

And that doesn't even count the facts that the whole Gothard shebang is both a cynical grift that they've fairly successfully spread to individuals and even to government agencies around the world and a sham theology-philosophy that witnesses by the hundreds swear is psyche-crippling mind-manipulation that requires a lifetime of psychological help to get over. 

It actually seems to me way more likely that the "headquarters" passes along some helpers to the Duggar clan because they see the Duggars and their fame as one of their few remaining hopes for recharging the Gothard gravy train. As they demonstrated, I think, when their 2018 attempt to Get Gothardom Going Again in Australia and New Zealand features those same godly Duggars whose egregious misdeeds they supposedly fear. 

At this point in time, how many people in the Duggar clan, other than JB and Joshley, have even had the time and opportunity to commit the kind of crap the Gothards have? Joe? Jessa? Sinner twin? They're mostly kids. 

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cmr2014

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18 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

I'm skeptical.

Would the Gothard gang really worry that the Duggars -- most of whom are still very young people and even children -- are somehow perpetrating worse stuff than both Bill Gothard and his brothers. Two of whom, including Bill, are serial harassers, adulterers, insidious groomers and icky pedophile-like fetishistic molesters of the most vulnerable of young girls and harassers and tormentors of a few vulnerable young men into the bargain for decades while never ever ever admitting to it to this very day. .... while their other brother is a blatant financial con man who marched piously under the holy-Gothard banner while fleecing elderly parishioners out of their savings? 

That's what I don't get about the "Yikes, the Gothard empire is trying to protect itself against Duggar taint!" theory.

The amount of crud perpetrated by the Gothard family alone, and totally winked at by the so-called "leadership" of that group, is absolutely staggering.

And that doesn't even count the facts that the whole Gothard shebang is both a cynical grift that they've fairly successfully spread to individuals and even to government agencies around the world and a sham theology-philosophy that witnesses by the hundreds swear is psyche-crippling mind-manipulation that requires a lifetime of psychological help to get over. 

It actually seems to me way more likely that the "headquarters" passes along some helpers to the Duggar clan because they see the Duggars and their fame as one of their few remaining hopes for recharging the Gothard gravy train. As they demonstrated, I think, when their 2018 attempt to Get Gothardom Going Again in Australia and New Zealand features those same godly Duggars whose egregious misdeeds they supposedly fear. 

At this point in time, how many people in the Duggar clan, other than JB and Joshley, have even had the time and opportunity to commit the kind of crap the Gothards have? Joe? Jessa? Sinner twin? They're mostly kids. 

I read this completely differently. I was thinking more along the lines that Gothard is sending people from HQ to make sure that the Duggars are happy Gothardites and are toeing the party line. Despite all of the filth at HQ, the Duggars are the cult's face to the world. They want them to appear happy and healthy. If the youngest kids are feral, if the general public sees Jana as CinderJana, that's not good for the brand.

There are three non-Gothard sons-in-law who have (or had) active social media presences, and have been known to go (way) off message. Two of the sons-in-law are outside JB's "Umbrella of Authority." At least two of the daughters are wearing pants. Jinger has spoken openly about "maybe" having one more child. Ben and Jessa have talked repeatedly about adopting. I think that all of this is much more problematic in their eyes than a little sexual abuse (after all, those girls have repented for tempting their abusers, right?).

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Temperance

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1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

I'm skeptical.

Would the Gothard gang really worry that the Duggars -- most of whom are still very young people and even children -- are somehow perpetrating worse stuff than both Bill Gothard and his brothers. Two of whom, including Bill, are serial harassers, adulterers, insidious groomers and icky pedophile-like fetishistic molesters of the most vulnerable of young girls and harassers and tormentors of a few vulnerable young men into the bargain for decades while never ever ever admitting to it to this very day. .... while their other brother is a blatant financial con man who marched piously under the holy-Gothard banner while fleecing elderly parishioners out of their savings? 

That's what I don't get about the "Yikes, the Gothard empire is trying to protect itself against Duggar taint!" theory.

The amount of crud perpetrated by the Gothard family alone, and totally winked at by the so-called "leadership" of that group, is absolutely staggering.

And that doesn't even count the facts that the whole Gothard shebang is both a cynical grift that they've fairly successfully spread to individuals and even to government agencies around the world and a sham theology-philosophy that witnesses by the hundreds swear is psyche-crippling mind-manipulation that requires a lifetime of psychological help to get over. 

It actually seems to me way more likely that the "headquarters" passes along some helpers to the Duggar clan because they see the Duggars and their fame as one of their few remaining hopes for recharging the Gothard gravy train. As they demonstrated, I think, when their 2018 attempt to Get Gothardom Going Again in Australia and New Zealand features those same godly Duggars whose egregious misdeeds they supposedly fear. 

At this point in time, how many people in the Duggar clan, other than JB and Joshley, have even had the time and opportunity to commit the kind of crap the Gothards have? Joe? Jessa? Sinner twin? They're mostly kids. 

Keep in mind Gothard is not in charge of IBLP. There is a board, who runs IBLP now.   @Lady Edith didn't say Gothard, she said IBLP.  IBLP was founded by Bill Gothard, but he was fired by the board after multiple sexual abuse allegations against him. (as many as 34!) I don't know anything about his brothers. 

Also what scientology is famous for is making it hard for the people to leave. The Duggars have been IBLPlite for a while (@cmr2014 explained it well).  If IBLP was sending people to spy on the Duggars, the point would be to keep them in the fold, and make it harder for them to leave the group. 

Edited to add: I just reread what Lady Edith said and yes she did say that they were trying to ward off possible scandal.  I agree that IBLP has enough other scandals to worry about. So I agree there, but it's interesting theory anyway. 

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5 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Odd that Laura said a "whole grade" rather than specifying which grade. I'm guessing because Jose finished kindergarten at age 8. Not something to be ashamed of if its due to learning differences.

The Duggars are all about sharing their vague Christian messages and went on & on about how Michelle risked her life to have Josie, yet they possibly ignore highlighting some of the issues that may come along with being a micro-preemie. Or they're clueless.

Still, there's some positive in that at least they don't seem to be blithely passing her through  age-appropriate grades without her actually having mastered the material. 

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3 is enough

3 is enough

If I am correct, Jason will "graduate" this spring.  That leaves only 7 left in the SOTDRT: the three youngest howlers, the lost girls, and Miracle Josie.  

I remember some vague references to James having some learning issues a few years back.  Poor kid is almost 17- I hope he was able to progress.

Maybe with only 7 students, an "outside " teacher and the loss of the distraction of constant filming, they will be able to master the admittedly narrow curriculum. Sad to say, but if they come out being able to read beyond elementary level and do basic math it would be quite an accomplishment.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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13 hours ago, Temperance said:

Keep in mind Gothard is not in charge of IBLP. There is a board, who runs IBLP now.   @Lady Edith didn't say Gothard, she said IBLP.  IBLP was founded by Bill Gothard, but he was fired by the board after multiple sexual abuse allegations against him. (as many as 34!) I don't know anything about his brothers. 

Also what scientology is famous for is making it hard for the people to leave. The Duggars have been IBLPlite for a while (@cmr2014 explained it well).  If IBLP was sending people to spy on the Duggars, the point would be to keep them in the fold, and make it harder for them to leave the group. 

Edited to add: I just reread what Lady Edith said and yes she did say that they were trying to ward off possible scandal.  I agree that IBLP has enough other scandals to worry about. So I agree there, but it's interesting theory anyway. 

 

Well, he was "fired" by the board ostensibly. But according to quite a few accounts, at least some in the upper echelon continue to support him and, in fact, he was on the PROGRAM in the recent Oz adventure.  I completely agree with you about a more likely motive being to keep the Duggars in the fold. Although I'd still say that the people are sent more to help the Duggs out -- by conducting school for their kids, for instance, so they don't have to -- than to spy. ... Although obviously a teacher could do both ... 

But I'm also not sure why the Duggars would really want to leave the only actually "Christian" group (I use that term loosely) that continues to support them, treat them like honored Christian celebs, and buy them expensive trips abroad!

Why would Jim Bob even think of leaving a group that just paid at least 35,000 bucks (and most likely considerably more) for a family trip to Australia where they were apparently treated like big shots? Especially when they're off everybody else's program these days? I don't see JB and M being cutting ties with their one remaining source of major grift, do you? lol

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6 hours ago, Barb23 said:

Not that it matters to them, but I thought Arkansas law states the parents are the only ones who are to home school their own children. 

Are they getting around the law by calling the outside "teachers" tutors? 

That used to be the case in Arkansas.  Until the law was changed, the homeschooling had to be conducted by the child's parent/legal guardian.  Now, the parent/guardian simply has to "provide" a homeschool.

In Arkansas, there is no supervision of homeschools, no required curriculum, no standardized testing, no minimum hours per day, no reporting, no record-keeping, etc.  Homeschool means noschool in Arkansas. 

Before 2009 when the Duggars introduced 'buddy groups', each older sibling had one younger sibling as a 'buddy.'  According to an interview with Michelle in 2008, the older buddy was a child's homeschool teacher, not Michelle.  (It was non-educated adolescents teaching primary school kids.)  Michelle then taught the older kids these subjects around the dining room table for two hours a day:  science, history, law, or medicine (and thus began Dr. Jill's fascination with medical things).

Meanwhile, another child died of brutal child abuse in Kansas City. The child was out of the public view under the guise of homeschooling.  When his torture ended in his death, his parents fed his body to pigs. A 13-year-old homeschooler was tortured and killed by his guardian in Sante Fe, New Mexico, in November.  His abuse would have been easily recognized if he had attended school.  Last month, a couple killed themselves and their seven adopted children.  The children were homeschooled, starved, and had begged for food from neighbors.

States which cannot or will not provide adequate supervision of the education and the welfare of homeschooled children should not allow homeschools.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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6 hours ago, Barb23 said:

Not that it matters to them, but I thought Arkansas law states the parents are the only ones who are to home school their own children. 

Are they getting around the law by calling the outside "teachers" tutors? 

 

Actually, the current law, just amended again a few months ago, seems to leave what happens wide open again. It doesn't appear to stipulate anything about who teaches or what's taught or whatever. It repeatedly refers to the situation as a "parent or guardian providing a home school" for the children. and says that the parent is "responsible for the education" at the homeschool the parent "provides." .... 

That's what it said a few years ago, and the intention of that wording was generally understood as -- Anybody can teach in the school that the parents provide. Being "responsible for the education" wasn't read as actually "educating" the kids. 

And since these most recent amendments were done to loosen the laws further -- they eliminate virtually all reporting requirements except just to alert the local schools that you're homeschooling, for example -- it seems as if the teacher situation is now wide open again, too. 

The other new thing in the amendments seems to be allowing homeschoolers to participate in on public schools' interscholastic sports teams. .... Wonder if the new Duggar affection for Arkansas football could tempt them to let a kid play a sport with, gasp, public school kids?!

http://www.arkansased.gov/public/userfiles/Learning_Services/Charter and Home School/Home School-Division of Learning Services/Act635.pdf

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cmr2014

cmr2014

11 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

The other new thing in the amendments seems to be allowing homeschoolers to participate in on public schools' interscholastic sports teams. .... Wonder if the new Duggar affection for Arkansas football could tempt them to let a kid play a sport with, gasp, public school kids?!

I think the answer is No. Being on a team would involve interaction with other children. Someone in that household would have to rouse themselves to take the child to practices and games. Some end-of-season games and tournaments involve overnight trips with the team. None of which would ever happen for a Duggar kid.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

1 hour ago, cmr2014 said:

I think the answer is No. Being on a team would involve interaction with other children. Someone in that household would have to rouse themselves to take the child to practices and games. Some end-of-season games and tournaments involve overnight trips with the team. None of which would ever happen for a Duggar kid.

Yep, sounds right to me. Plus the majority of still-eligible first-gen Duggarlings are girls! They wouldn't want to play sports with those nasty masculinized public-school girls. Ick! 

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