The Other Duggars: The Lost Girls and Amy

[JoanArc]

17 hours ago, queenanne said:

OMG, Famy, please STFU...

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/amy-duggar-wants-to-adopt-the-tortured-turpin-children/

I don't even count that as "nice", because really, Amy, don't you think people know you're a big faker prognosticating that you could afford to adopt *thirteen* children??  That's clearly "meaningless fake-nice designed to try to hog more spotlight".

I called Michelle and Jim Bob as trying this. The balls on Amy. The desperation.

Edited January 31, 2018 by JoanArc

[BetyBee]

2 hours ago, sigmaforce86 said:

Well she obviously has the life experience, education and background to make her the perfect person to raise 13 abused medically comprised adults/children who need to be re-introduced to the world socially and educationally.  I'm sure it will be beneficial for them to be deprogrammed from their parents religion by being introduced to her religious beliefs.  With the added advantage of tutelage under Jim Bob who I'm sure will want to help out of the goodness of his own heart and not for any fame, press or money it might bring him.  And the kids will surely benefit from their "new" extended family such as having Amy's Dad as their new Grandfather what with the glowing statements she's made in the past about his parental abilities.

 

Please note there are not enough eye rolls in the world for the level of sarcasm I'm trying to convey here.

Maybe Amy is interested in the generous donations that have been raised that would go with the Turpin children.  

[flyingdi]

Aren't some of those "kids" the same age as Amy?  Adopting a two year old is way different than adioptingva twenty nine year old, I would imagine.

[xwordfanatik]

It never ceases to amaze me, the lengths that some people go to, just to get their name out there.  Would this be something like a narcissistic superiority complex, the thinking that they shouldn't have to work an "ordinary" job, because they are just so damned special?  No psych major here, but that kind of attitude seems awfully prideful for supposed God-fearing people.  I know, I'm overthinking this, and I don't know why, except I find it very irritating.

[galaxychaser]

22 hours ago, queenanne said:

OMG, Famy, please STFU...

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/amy-duggar-wants-to-adopt-the-tortured-turpin-children/

I don't even count that as "nice", because really, Amy, don't you think people know you're a big faker prognosticating that you could afford to adopt *thirteen* children??  That's clearly "meaningless fake-nice designed to try to hog more spotlight".

yeah sure i believe you. the oldest kid is 29 almost as old as amy.  just go away from this sad family of abused kids.

[madpsych78]

Unless any of the Turpin kidults were legally mentally incompetent, they wouldn't need to be adopted.

[Absolom]

1 hour ago, madpsych78 said:

Unless any of the Turpin kidults were legally mentally incompetent, they wouldn't need to be adopted.

In which case one wouldn't normally adopt them, but have legal guardianship.

[GeeGolly]

Amy needs to pick a lane and stay in it. Country singer? Free spirited newlywed? Marriage Boot Camp? Tag sale road show? Rebel Duggar? Sweet Christian? D level celebrity by association? And now she claims to want to be an adoptive mother of 8, guardian of 5?

And all by age 31. Watch out Derick, you have competition.

[queenanne]

38 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Amy needs to pick a lane and stay in it. Country singer? Free spirited newlywed? Marriage Boot Camp? Tag sale road show? Rebel Duggar? Sweet Christian? D level celebrity by association? And now she claims to want to be an adoptive mother of 8, guardian of 5?

And all by age 31. Watch out Derick, you have competition.

Yeah, I was especially thinking the mere willingness to show up on Marriage Boot Camp on the teevee, probably damns you from adopting/fostering any type of child... didn't Famy and Dillon have at least one knock-down, drag-out, un-impressing fight right on Marriage Boot Camp itself?  Or at least discuss said huge rows?

[queenanne]

13 hours ago, doodlebug said:

Amy sees this as an opportunity to hop aboard the gravy train and get her own show.  Nothing more, nothing less.  If by some miracle (or work of the devil), Amy did get custody of these kids, she'd be signing a contract with TLC so fast your head would spin.  She's a shameless hustler, just like the rest of the Duggars.

I was just thinking, don't you think it galls Amy to the core of her soul, really, that these frequent guest-star hours TLC books for her (otherwise known as a "backdoor/failed pilot" - let's not kid ourselves, if it had gotten the 4 million viewers Jill's wedding to Derick did, TLC would totally have spun her off into her own series), didn't get the ratings to get her a big-girl TV show?  She'd so clearly like to be the next nominally-Christian-presenting Jessica Simpson. 

Even if she's not willing to admit it to herself, it must kill her.  I know we joke a lot about her leaking to the tabloids, but now I'm not so sure it isn't true.  She must, on some level, be irked and jealous that hundreds of thousands (inexplicably) of people care about what her cousins do, who couldn't give a toss about her.

[Caracoa1]

I suspect Amy got married because:

Her mother and Grandmother got fed up supporting her.

Her Country Music career flopped.

She no longer makes appearances on 19 and counting so no paycheck.

She's to special to have to stoop down and get a 40 hour a week job.....which is code for she is not educated very well and has no practical experience of any kind.

[Scarlett45]

3 hours ago, Caracoa1 said:

I suspect Amy got married because:

Her mother and Grandmother got fed up supporting her.

Her Country Music career flopped.

She no longer makes appearances on 19 and counting so no paycheck.

She's to special to have to stoop down and get a 40 hour a week job.....which is code for she is not educated very well and has no practical experience of any kind.

I don’t doubt these things are true but Amy’s at the age where it’s socially expected for women to marry (especially in bum fuck Arkansas), and I think she does like her husband so why not. 

I agree that Amy is probably jealous of her cousins’ fame like @queenanne mentioned above, but she’s just not engaging enough for a reality show. 

Edited February 3, 2018 by Scarlett45

[Temperance]

7 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

I don’t doubt these things are true but Amy’s at the age where it’s socially expected for women to marry (especially in bum fuck Arkansas), and I think she does like her husband so why not. 

I agree that Amy is probably jealous of her cousins’ fame like @queenanne mentioned above, but she’s just not engaging enough for a reality show. 

I'd agree with most of this, and add Amy was an older bride for AR. I'm not engaging is how I'd describe her extended family. The reason they got a show is that there were so many of them and they did things a little bit differently. (Or a lot differently in the beginning). 

[Arwen Evenstar]

I’d actually be happy if the Duggars would simply come out and say that following all these rules has become too exhausting. I’d have more respect for them if they admit to a change of course than staying silent and looking like hypocrites.

[floridamom]

I agree completely. These young women suddenly dressing differently than they have spouted before does make them appear as hypocrites. They all should make their individual statements about why suddenly it's modest and not a sin to be wearing pants, sleeveless tops, etc. I think it's because their "god' has changed...it's no longer Jim Bob. It's now their husbands. I bet we never see Joy in pants.

[mythoughtis]

The married women changed churches. It’s no longer JBs way, or Kendra’s dads way.  They now follow the beliefs and tenets of their new church. Grace for Jinger and Cross for Jill.  They were public about attending new churches. They probably feel that’s enough of an announcement.   Jinger especially needs to show that she is on board with her church’s beliefs, since she is the pastors wife.  Jill, the same, as her husband is in training to be a minister of some sort through Cross. 

Edited February 4, 2018 by mythoughtis

[Nysha]

On 2/3/2018 at 7:18 AM, Scarlett45 said:

I agree that Amy is probably jealous of her cousins’ fame like @queenanne mentioned above, but she’s just not engaging enough for a reality show. 

Her cousins aren't really engaging enough for a reality show, either, but there's so many of them that we watch in hope that at least one of them will do something different and because we can't believe that so many people can function with such a delusional belief system and no common sense.

[lascuba]

On 2/1/2018 at 12:42 AM, queenanne said:

I was just thinking, don't you think it galls Amy to the core of her soul, really, that these frequent guest-star hours TLC books for her (otherwise known as a "backdoor/failed pilot" - let's not kid ourselves, if it had gotten the 4 million viewers Jill's wedding to Derick did, TLC would totally have spun her off into her own series), didn't get the ratings to get her a big-girl TV show?  She'd so clearly like to be the next nominally-Christian-presenting Jessica Simpson. 

Even if she's not willing to admit it to herself, it must kill her.  I know we joke a lot about her leaking to the tabloids, but now I'm not so sure it isn't true.  She must, on some level, be irked and jealous that hundreds of thousands (inexplicably) of people care about what her cousins do, who couldn't give a toss about her.

Even worse, people who hate her cousins because of their beliefs would still rather watch them on TV then her, the "rebel" Duggar who's ostensibly more likable because she's not a breathing advertisement for a cult. That has to sting. 

[GeeGolly]

2 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

The married women changed churches. It’s no longer JBs way, or Kendra’s dads way.  They now follow the beliefs and tenets of their new church. Grace for Jinger and Cross for Jill.  They were public about attending new churches. They probably feel that’s enough of an announcement.   Jinger especially needs to show that she is on board with her church’s beliefs, since she is the pastors wife.  Jill, the same, as her husband is in training to be a minister of some sort through Cross. 

Changing mindsets when changing churches lets all know they're only followers. Like they don't have a true deep belief to stand on. 

Jinger can be on board with her church even if she continued to only wear dresses. It would present more of a problem if they were a dress only church and she wore pants.

[Churchhoney]

On 1/30/2018 at 7:58 PM, queenanne said:

OMG, Famy, please STFU...

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/amy-duggar-wants-to-adopt-the-tortured-turpin-children/

I don't even count that as "nice", because really, Amy, don't you think people know you're a big faker prognosticating that you could afford to adopt *thirteen* children??  That's clearly "meaningless fake-nice designed to try to hog more spotlight".

Well, we now have something new to put in the "common phrase" dictionary next to the sentence "Talk is cheap." 

And that's a sort of double entendre, too, coming from the Amester. 

Edited February 5, 2018 by Churchhoney

[JoanArc]

On 2/4/2018 at 11:40 AM, mythoughtis said:

Cross for Jill.

The Duggars have been affiliated with Cross for many years. Pretty sure they took charity from it in the past, too. It's the respectable facade the put on their crazy windowless shed church actual beliefs. The head of the church is the head of the SBC - JB loves to cozy up to power.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

On 2/4/2018 at 7:01 AM, floridamom said:

I agree completely. These young women suddenly dressing differently than they have spouted before does make them appear as hypocrites. They all should make their individual statements about why suddenly it's modest and not a sin to be wearing pants, sleeveless tops, etc. I think it's because their "god' has changed...it's no longer Jim Bob. It's now their husbands. I bet we never see Joy in pants.

Yeah, I agree. Call me when one of the Duggar daughters-in-law is publicly wearing pants. 

Edited February 5, 2018 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[cmr2014]

13 minutes ago, XrystalPond said:

It isn't an overnight process, but getting Josie, Jordyn, Jennifer, and Johannah to even ask themselves the question of why do they have to be a wife/mother immediately would be a great first step. Maybe it isn't them who will step out in a pair of jeans and head off to college. Maybe it will be one of their children with the acceptance and understanding of parents who want better. 

In the earlier specials, each of the children listed something that they aspired to do in life: josh wanted to be a lawyer, Jill wanted to be a missionary, Josiah wanted to be an accountant, and (I think) one of the younger girls wanted to be a veterinarian.

Those things may have been made up for TV, but I think that it's also possible that the children thought that they had some options in life. It was only after being "educated" about the right Jesus and spending some quality time at ALERT and JTTH that the boys all realized that they wanted to do manual labor for JB and the girls all realized that they wanted to be "helpmeets."

[bythelake]

38 minutes ago, XrystalPond said:

Yes, I think that these camps and "educational" programs teach them to be subservient. I know at the ATI event they go to, girls are put in classes that emphasize homemaking skills through skits and songs. Boys do the ALERT thing, but they at least get the chance to try new skills and activities. I would think (and no I wasn't raised this way so I don't know) that it would be a tall order to expect the girls or even the boys to speak out against the system and their parents. It's not impossible, but they are literally being told that their salvation depends on their obedience. It's easier and safer to follow the family rules than it is to say, "No, I want to ________." These are children being raised to think they are so weak that they would surely sin and be damned to hell if they didn't follow the teachings as prescribed by Jim Bob and Michelle. We all know that the parents are probably calling out that Josh's porn addiction and cheating was because he and Anna brought television and computer/internet into their homes. They add in the parts about Anna's responsibility in being joyfully available, but you know they zoom in on the whole television and internet thing. "If Josh and Anna had a more Godly home where that wasn't allowed, Josh wouldn't have been so tempted."

 One of the messages the girls are being taught right now is that they don't want to be like Jana. Whether by choice or by circumstance, Jana is not married and is essentially stagnant in her life and choices at the moment. She babysits her nieces and nephews, cares for her younger siblings, and is probably still having to clean her parents' bedroom. Even to the youngest of children, that's not something anyone would want to aspire to be or do. They would rather be Jessa, Jill, Jinger, or Joy who have children, husbands, and adventures outside of the Duggar compound. 

The Duggar children were blanket trained, and hit with a rod, so they were on the road to subservience at a young age. As they got older any spark of rebellion was crushed by a visit to Alert or JTTH. Didn't Jana and Josiah go several times? As they got older, their dreams of a career were never encouraged, education was an afterthought. JB wanted a bunch of J'slaves  reliant on him for the rest of their lives. IMO, the jury is  still out on Jinger. She has gotten more worldly, but if, as people say,  she is funding their lifestyle, it could be a short run. 

[Temperance]

On 2/5/2018 at 3:33 PM, cmr2014 said:

In the earlier specials, each of the children listed something that they aspired to do in life: josh wanted to be a lawyer, Jill wanted to be a missionary, Josiah wanted to be an accountant, and (I think) one of the younger girls wanted to be a veterinarian.

Those things may have been made up for TV, but I think that it's also possible that the children thought that they had some options in life. It was only after being "educated" about the right Jesus and spending some quality time at ALERT and JTTH that the boys all realized that they wanted to do manual labor for JB and the girls all realized that they wanted to be "helpmeets."

Actually what I remember of the early were the little boys all lined up all saying they wanted to be missionaries. Every Single One Of Them.

In the specials, the little girls (Johannah and Jennifer) were born, and the littlest (Jordyn and Josie) were born on tv.

Josh wanted to be a lawyer around the time he moved to DC. Before any of the girls were courting, Jill wanted to be a midwife. Probably it was that time that Josiah wanted to be an accountant. (So that would be around 2012-2013).The specials started around 2004, the show debuted in 2008, and the show ended in 2015. That's a long time, so it makes the timeline gets muddled. Just fixing it for you.

Edited February 7, 2018 by Temperance

[Sew Sumi]

Lost Girls and Laurens. I imagine Jana took the picture. 

 

[GeeGolly]

The picture of the little girls makes me a little sad. They think they're playing dress-up and they're just an apron away from their everyday clothing. What's worse is they're being raised with less opportunity and rights of women who lived in the era they are representing.

Is Mack going for Mary Queen of Scots or Mrs Olsen proprietor of Olsen Mercantile?

Nice home, wonder where they're at?

Edited February 8, 2018 by GeeGolly

[McManda]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Is Mack going for Mary Queen of Scots or Mrs Olsen proprietor of Olsen Mercantile?

I'd argue Mack is the only one dressed up, even if it is in a Halloween costume. 

Her, and the older girl lighting the candles on the ice cream. Wow are those some puffed sleeves. #Annewouldapprove

[Barb23]

Oh my, it looks like a real China tea set along with dishes & proper utensils were used.  (No Styrofoam or plastic seen.)

Not sure about Kendra's outfit but at least it wasn't a skin tight T-shirt. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

2 hours ago, McManda said:

. #Annewouldapprove

I remember how Anne of Green Gables loved puffed sleeves.

[FakeJoshDuggar]

I’d just like to point out that Mackynzie and Josie are the same age. I get that Josie was a micro premie, but she looks like a preschooler to Mack’s appropriately sized second grader. 

[Lunera]

2 hours ago, Barb23 said:

Oh my, it looks like a real China tea set along with dishes & proper utensils were used.  (No Styrofoam or plastic seen.)

Not sure about Kendra's outfit but at least it wasn't a skin tight T-shirt. 

That's Lauren, Kendra's younger sister. I think Boob and the Caldwells are trying for a Lauren/J-Twin match. Imagine 2 Lauren Duggars. 

[skippy]

On ‎12‎/‎20‎/‎2017 at 7:29 AM, Mollie said:

Her parents are millionaires, yet she had to get her birthday dress at the used clothing store.  Then, Michelle tried to get Jordyn to believe that "the lord" put that dress there for her and that it was his idea.  I'll bet that Michelle didn't even wash that dress before she wore it.  Maybe "the lord" should have provided the dress a few days before her birthday party instead of a few hours before.

There were several siblings missing from the party (Josh, Jana, John-David, Jinger, Jessa, Josiah, Joseph, Joy, and I don't know who else but I didn't see Josie either). I guess they just have too many siblings to count or to care.

Jordyn just about fell off her chair trying to get away from Michelle.  Great example of mother/daughter relationship.

 

It's obvious she's trying to get away from Michelle.  She jerks her hand away at the end.  It is so disturbing.

[skippy]

On ‎12‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 11:09 AM, Celia Rubenstein said:

I don't doubt that Michelle is ... under-bonded, shall we say? with most of her kids. But I think too much is being read into that video. 

My primary takeaway from it all is that some insensitive assholes stood a shy little girl up on a chair in front of a huge crowd of people and made her pose for their benefit, with no regard to how embarrassed and uncomfortable the whole thing made her. She was literally and figuratively off balance and leaning into her father for stability more than recoiling from her mother in my opinion. She didn't seem to be deeply unhappy or evidencing spectrum-type behavior. She just seemed like a bashful kid who wanted it all to be over with so she could get at her presents and enjoy her day. 

It sucks that Jim Bob and Michelle have so little regard for their daughter's feelings, but I think that's the worst thing that the video reveals.  I don't think it's evidence that Jordyn is deeply troubled or suffering the way that has been suggested.

She did actually recoil from her mother.  Happy, secure children do not recoil from a loving mother.  Period.

[beckie]

Wasn't it toddler Jordyn who got her head stuck between stairs and her mother just laughed and pointed, while someone else rescued her? I seem to remember that on one of the shows, but correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Michelle birthed her, but she's never had anything to do with her. 

Edited February 8, 2018 by beckie
to correct punctuation

[FakeJoshDuggar]

To Jordyn, Michelle was just there for gestation and nothing else. Dairy Queen’s milk turned sour and Jordyn was handed over to the least maternal sister mom there was (Jessa). I’m sure the poor girl has serious abandonment issues and above all the kids, I feel for her the most. 

[Celia Rubenstein]

7 minutes ago, skippy said:

She did actually recoil from her mother.  Happy, secure children do not recoil from a loving mother.  Period.

I don't agree that the girl "recoiled."  She just seemed painfully embarrassed and uncomfortable to me, not to mention probably feeling physically unstable being stood up on a chair like that.  And to assert that no happy secure child could ever reject affection the way you suggest occurred is making a pretty sweeping generalization about what normal behavior is.   

I think even a happy secure child could totally be pressed beyond endurance when stood up like a prize sow being auctioned off and reject being stroked by someone, no matter how close their relationship.  I actually think that a happy secure child with a loving mother may not care for being petted on very much at all.  It's a matter of personal preference.  Not all children prefer that kind of treatment, especially not from more than one persona at a time.  Jim Bob was already holding onto her.  Maybe that was enough for the poor kid.

I just don't think that video is evidence of much aside from the fact that Jim Bob and Michelle use their kids (especially their kids' birthdays) as opportunities for marketing the brand. Which sucks of course.  But I don't see this little video as proof positive that Jordyn is a traumatized child or that Michelle is a shit mother. I wouldn't think it was proof positive that Jordyn was happy as a clam and Michelle really deserved that Mother of the Year trophy if Jordyn had leaned into Michelle and gave her a hug.  It's a short little video and I don't think too much should be made of it.

[dargosmydaddy]

I rolled my eyes at the picture caption. "The girls had a sweet little tea party with some older girls! " They couldn't have said "Our girls"? And "some older girls" makes it sound like they ran into strangers and crashed their party. They couldn't have said "some older friends" or something? 

[madpsych78]

3 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I don't agree that the girl "recoiled."  She just seemed painfully embarrassed and uncomfortable to me, not to mention probably feeling physically unstable being stood up on a chair like that.  And to assert that no happy secure child could ever reject affection the way you suggest occurred is making a pretty sweeping generalization about what normal behavior is.   

I think even a happy secure child could totally be pressed beyond endurance when stood up like a prize sow being auctioned off and reject being stroked by someone, no matter how close their relationship.  I actually think that a happy secure child with a loving mother may not care for being petted on very much at all.  It's a matter of personal preference.  Not all children prefer that kind of treatment, especially not from more than one persona at a time.  Jim Bob was already holding onto her.  Maybe that was enough for the poor kid.

I just don't think that video is evidence of much aside from the fact that Jim Bob and Michelle use their kids (especially their kids' birthdays) as opportunities for marketing the brand. Which sucks of course.  But I don't see this little video as proof positive that Jordyn is a traumatized child or that Michelle is a shit mother. I wouldn't think it was proof positive that Jordyn was happy as a clam and Michelle really deserved that Mother of the Year trophy if Jordyn had leaned into Michelle and gave her a hug.  It's a short little video and I don't think too much should be made of it.

I don't know, I think that a child who was shy but had secure attachments to their parents would seek them out for comfort in overwhelming social situations.

[Barb23]

4 hours ago, beckie said:

 

 

Michelle birthed her, but she's never had anything to do with her. 

Especially when Miracle Josie came along.

Still remember Jana & other sister moms helping Jordyn learn to walk.

[Celia Rubenstein]

3 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

I don't know, I think that a child who was shy but had secure attachments to their parents would seek them out for comfort in overwhelming social situations.

Maybe under normal circumstances.

But in this case it is the parent who is responsible for the child being in an overwhelming social situation.  So I'm not surprised Jordyn isn't reaching out to Michelle for help. 

[Temperance]

16 hours ago, FakeJoshDuggar said:

I’d just like to point out that Mackynzie and Josie are the same age. I get that Josie was a micro premie, but she looks like a preschooler to Mack’s appropriately sized second grader. 

Every school I was ever in there were kids as small as Josie and as big as Kynzie in the same grade. 

That is some get up on MacKynzie. I wish I had a costume like that when I was a kid. 

Edited February 9, 2018 by Temperance

[lookeyloo]

4 hours ago, Temperance said:

Every school I was ever in there were kids as small as Josie and as big as Kynzie in the same grade. 

That is some get up on MacKynzie. I wish I had a costume like that when I was a kid. 

Those outfits are quite interesting. I was a normal size infant but always the smallest one all through school. Always first in any line where we lined up by size. I’d be more worried about Josie’s development. 

[kokapetl]

Mackynzie is probably tall to boot. Josh is/was the tallest son.

[BitterApple]

37 minutes ago, Kokapetl said:

Mackynzie is probably tall to boot. Josh is/was the tallest son.

I think Anna is fairly tall as well. In all the wedding photos where she's a bridesmaid, she towers over the J'Slaves.

[graefin]

18 hours ago, beckie said:

Wasn't it toddler Jordyn who got her head stuck between stairs and her mother just laughed and pointed, while someone else rescued her? I seem to remember that on one of the shows, but correct me if I'm wrong.

 

Michelle birthed her, but she's never had anything to do with her. 

I remember that scene. What was so noteworthy about it was that it was apparent that Michelle was just clueless as to the proper emotional response to the situation. Even Jim Bob responded, "it's not funny" as he worked to free her while Michelle laughed liked an airhead, but she didn't take the cue. She really must have an affective disorder, and/or it's just more evidence of her narcissism (i.e., lack of ability to empathize).

[AUgirl]

Poor Mykenzie looks just like her daddy in that picture. 

[cmr2014]

12 minutes ago, graefin said:

I remember that scene. What was so noteworthy about it was that it was apparent that Michelle was just clueless as to the proper emotional response to the situation. Even Jim Bob responded, "it's not funny" as he worked to free her while Michelle laughed liked an airhead, but she didn't take the cue. She really must have an affective disorder, and/or it's just more evidence of her narcissism (i.e., lack of ability to empathize).

There is something really wrong with her that should have been noticed by a medical professional a long time ago. The octo-mom's doctor got a lot of heat for agreeing to inseminate someone who obviously had some serious emotional problems. One of J'chelle's doctors should have recognized, a long time ago, that she had some serious issues. It's fine -- I guess -- to let God determine the size of your family. That's not what they were doing, though. She was actively trying to have the most babies possible, and talked about her willingness to die to give birth to more. That's something that should have been addressed by a physician (and maybe it was, and the advice was ignored).

[bigskygirl]

16 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

There is something really wrong with her that should have been noticed by a medical professional a long time ago. The octo-mom's doctor got a lot of heat for agreeing to inseminate someone who obviously had some serious emotional problems. One of J'chelle's doctors should have recognized, a long time ago, that she had some serious issues. It's fine -- I guess -- to let God determine the size of your family. That's not what they were doing, though. She was actively trying to have the most babies possible, and talked about her willingness to die to give birth to more. That's something that should have been addressed by a physician (and maybe it was, and the advice was ignored).

In the case of Michelle. the doctors could suggest something may be wrong, but she would be in denial about the whole thing. Just read the bible and pray the evilness away. JB is the same way. He is in deep denial when it comes to her physical and mental health. Just like someone who keeps drinking and smoking after the doctor(s) warn them they are showing signs of possible heart disease leading to a heart attack or stroke in the future. If the patient does not listen to the doctor(s) and keeps up with the unhealthy habits leading to a heart attack or stroke, it is all on the patient.

[DragonFaerie]

1 hour ago, bigskygirl said:

In the case of Michelle. the doctors could suggest something may be wrong, but she would be in denial about the whole thing. Just read the bible and pray the evilness away. JB is the same way. He is in deep denial when it comes to her physical and mental health. Just like someone who keeps drinking and smoking after the doctor(s) warn them they are showing signs of possible heart disease leading to a heart attack or stroke in the future. If the patient does not listen to the doctor(s) and keeps up with the unhealthy habits leading to a heart attack or stroke, it is all on the patient.

I have often wondered about J'chelle and post partum depression.  I cannot imagine that with 19 kids, she never had an issue.  And, having a couple of friends that had to deal with that, I know that one of the symptoms is a lack of interest in the baby.  You know you should feel happiness and wonder, but you just can't.  Perhaps this is why she started handing the kids over to be raised by sister mom's?  And of course, even if she consulted the doctor in her 6 week checkup, I can't see her or Jim Bob getting therapy or using anti-depressents or other drugs for her treatment.  I'm sure they would just turn it all over to god.  

Oddly enough, I looked up information on post-partum depression, and it says that an inadequate diet - one that is heavy on processed foods, can make the condition worse, as does social isolation.  And we all have mentioned their diet, and it's not like she has work friends, or goes to church every week.   Hmm, makes me wonder.