The Other Duggars: The Lost Girls and Amy

[GeeGolly]

2 hours ago, SMama said:

He’s almost done with his quarantine, Amy didn’t want to risk reinfection. 

Oh wow. I didn't know that could happen, back to back.

[SMama]

18 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Oh wow. I didn't know that could happen, back to back.

I have no idea if that’s possible, and a little too late on Amy’s part to be extra cautious. That was her explanation 🤷‍♀️. They are fortunate to have Deanna willing and able to take care of Dax. This is why we are not traveling. My bio mother keeps reminding me she is 82 years old and that is the age when Mami (her mother who is my real mother) passed away. I’m not about to endanger SGirl by flying now, FaceTime will have to do.

[BigBingerBro]

[madpsych78]

James, I don't care if you want to use newspaper and magazines as wrapping paper. The bigger question is where the hell are you???

 

[BigBingerBro]

[YupItsMe]

Huh?

[MargeGunderson]

Exploiting your family connections and vague posting to get clicks is not exactly healthy either, Amy.

[auntieminem]

From the comments on her twitter she is talking about WOACB Katie. I thought she "learned her lesson" a couple of months ago. Not sure what event caused this tweet, she refers to some live event.  

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She she can call me whatever she would like . She’s not someone I want to be associated with. I should have done my research before I ever went live with her. I had no idea.

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I get she isn’t religious but you can still be kind. I just can’t associate myself and will not have someone spread lies without calling them out. I told her a long time ago- this situation hurts and to keep my name off her page please. Just no respect at all. So sad.

Amy, never learns. 

For context WOACB  has been posting nonstop on FB about IBLP, the Duggars and Bates, abuse, etc.  Wonder if she is trying to get noticed and get some air time on the documentary that is being made.

Edited January 7, 2022 by auntieminem
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[CouchTater]

One recent situation:  WOACB implied (maybe accused?  I try not to pay her too much attention) that Jessa abuses Ivy because Ivy had a small bruise on her face in a video.  From the screen shots I saw, it looked like  a typical kid-sized oopsie.  

[auntieminem]

Oh the drama. KJ just posted a long statement to Amy on FB.   I won't copy it here but it rambles on, basically saying that Amy is getting threats from Duggar lovers/KJ haters so she has to distance herself and she understands, etc. 

My feelings about Amy are neutral. I don't think she is a bad person but she likes attention too much and brings so much un-needed drama to herself. She has been a good support to Jill but she needs to stop with the attention whoring that brings her the drama she says she doesn't want. Has she really learned this time?  Probably not, but fingers crossed. 

[Zella]

So she continued to interact with KJ after their last brouhaha and is acting like it's news that she is a toxic person? Bitch, please.

[GeeGolly]

Has Amy ever stopped to consider that maybe she is just as toxic as Miss Balls?

[sagittarius sue]

6 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Has Amy ever stopped to consider that maybe she is just as toxic as Miss Balls?

Perhaps it's not too surprising that a Duggas has a dysfunctional co-dependent relationship.  She just can't quit her!

[jschoolgirl]

Amy posted this an hour ago:

Amy Rachelle King

@amyduggar

People pretend well but at the end of the day real situations expose fake people so pay attention

 

[emmawoodhouse]

1 minute ago, jschoolgirl said:

Amy posted this an hour ago:

Amy Rachelle King

@amyduggar

People pretend well but at the end of the day real situations expose fake people so pay attention

 

That could be a dig at Smuggar.

[GeeGolly]

Didn't Amy have an (possibly drunken) epiphany discovering her purpose in life is to become a child advocate of some sort?

I'm fairly certain posting vague judgmental thoughts on SM isn't part of the duties.

[jschoolgirl]

From Amy: https://mobile.twitter.com/amyduggar/status/1484940043919798281

 

 

[Jeanne222]

2 hours ago, jschoolgirl said:

From Amy: https://mobile.twitter.com/amyduggar/status/1484940043919798281

 

 

And so the worm has turned…..

[SMama]

What did KJ say about Deanna?

[Zella]

KJ seems to be denying she ever said anything about Deanna. 

[crazy8s]

this seems the silly issue per reddit

"KJ posted a photo of the Duggar family a few days ago that included Deanna Duggar (Amy’s mom). The caption of the photo was about the abuse that children and woman are subjected to in the Fundamentalist world. I believe that Amy is interpreting that post as Katie Joy accusing Deanna of abuse."

 

[Ohiopirate02]

I just took a gander at KJ's Instagram, and I can see why Amy is upset.  KJ is sloppy and used a random picture of the Duggar family to accompany her post about abuses in fundie families.   The picture in question has Deanna in a prominent position.  

[Zella]

Ah okay so technically KJ can pull the "I never said anything about Deanna," even if the implication was there. 

Can't say I feel too sorry for Amy, though. She's the one who has repeatedly cultivated this connection and then keeps wondering why she gets bit. 

[Jeanne222]

37 minutes ago, Zella said:

Ah okay so technically KJ can pull the "I never said anything about Deanna," even if the implication was there. 

Can't say I feel too sorry for Amy, though. She's the one who has repeatedly cultivated this connection and then keeps wondering why she gets bit. 

I was thinking the same thing.” Oh those tangled webs we weave when at first we do deceive!”

 

[BigBingerBro]

[Jeanne222]

2 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

Who’s we?

[Rabbittron]

35 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

Who’s we?

Her voices in her head 🤣

[madpsych78]

To be fair, I follow WOACB pretty regularly and she hasn't talked about Deanna. And while she could have done a better job of selecting a picture of the Duggars to make her point, the picture that she did choose does not scream "Deanna is the main focus in the picture" even if she was positioned in front. I mean, I didn't notice it until it was pointed out. WOACB is a lot of things, but I think Amy is jumping to conclusions here. And of course her senses are going to be heightened where her mother is concerned.

I think that Amy tends to be very cryptic as to what she talks about with her extended family, perhaps out of necessity (i.e., the NDA) but I also think she is feeling the wrath of Boob these days as well. 

[Cinnabon]

6 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

To be fair, I follow WOACB pretty regularly and she hasn't talked about Deanna. And while she could have done a better job of selecting a picture of the Duggars to make her point, the picture that she did choose does not scream "Deanna is the main focus in the picture" even if she was positioned in front. I mean, I didn't notice it until it was pointed out. WOACB is a lot of things, but I think Amy is jumping to conclusions here. And of course her senses are going to be heightened where her mother is concerned.

I think that Amy tends to be very cryptic as to what she talks about with her extended family, perhaps out of necessity (i.e., the NDA) but I also think she is feeling the wrath of Boob these days as well. 

What can Boob do to Amy now? 

[Zella]

I honestly think Amy greatly exaggerates her feud with Jim Bob. I don't doubt that they dislike each other intensely now, but I also think she's lying about the NDA and I'm also pretty sure that any leverage he had on her terminated with her grandma's death. I am sure things got nasty when they were settling his mother's estate, but Amy never owns her own role in stirring the shit. 

[Ljohnson1987]

What did WOACB do to Amy? 

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, Zella said:

I honestly think Amy greatly exaggerates her feud with Jim Bob. I don't doubt that they dislike each other intensely now, but I also think she's lying about the NDA and I'm also pretty sure that any leverage he had on her terminated with her grandma's death. I am sure things got nasty when they were settling his mother's estate, but Amy never owns her own role in stirring the shit. 

Agree. But I think its mostly Amy's doing. I think she follows the majority opinion of her followers and adjusts her story accordingly.

Grandma died 6/19 and Amy attended Michelle's birthday party at the TTH, 9/19. Amy tried telling everyone their estrangement started after Scandals 1 & 2. Those were in 2015. And here's a pic of Deanna celebrating Christmas at the Duggars in what appears to be 2018.

[auntieminem]

Amy needs to just take a long break and act as if Katie Joy doesn't exist .  When I first saw the post Amy made about WOACB, I thought it was about this crazy post KJ made on FB where she was talking about all kinds of crazy unrelated stuff. At one point she was going on about Mary's death and the rumors and suspicions since the death happened so close to when the raid happened and who really found her, etc. though she says she is not implying anything.  Of course some of her followers (she has some nutty ones) started talking how suspicious it all was as if someone in the family had something to hide about the death. Amy will never learn as she is too anxious to be noticed. Between the two of them it is hard to tell what the actual truth is.

[madpsych78]

5 hours ago, Zella said:

I honestly think Amy greatly exaggerates her feud with Jim Bob. I don't doubt that they dislike each other intensely now, but I also think she's lying about the NDA and I'm also pretty sure that any leverage he had on her terminated with her grandma's death. I am sure things got nasty when they were settling his mother's estate, but Amy never owns her own role in stirring the shit. 

I actually think any power Boob has over Amy increased since Mary's death. Mary was clearly fond of Amy, and the potential wrath of Mary may have been what kept Boob from doing anything like threatening to sue Amy and what not. No longer a factor now that Mary has passed.

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

I actually think any power Boob has over Amy increased since Mary's death. Mary was clearly fond of Amy, and the potential wrath of Mary may have been what kept Boob from doing anything like threatening to sue Amy and what not. No longer a factor now that Mary has passed.

I always hoped that Boob and Deanna were co-executors of Mary's estate. Otherwise, what was stopping Boob from keeping everything himself?

[Zella]

8 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

I actually think any power Boob has over Amy increased since Mary's death. Mary was clearly fond of Amy, and the potential wrath of Mary may have been what kept Boob from doing anything like threatening to sue Amy and what not. No longer a factor now that Mary has passed.

I'm pretty sure the proverbial gloves came off when Mary was no longer around to be an incentive for them to get along. But I don't see Amy as some innocent victim in all this. In fact, I think she and her uncle have similar personalities, and she starts as much shit as is thrown back at her. 

[JoanArc]

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Amy needs to just take a long break

BUT PEOPLE WILL FORGET HER. ZZ subcategory 3 fame is the most fleeting of all!

[farmgal4]

6 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Agree. But I think its mostly Amy's doing. I think she follows the majority opinion of her followers and adjusts her story accordingly.

Grandma died 6/19 and Amy attended Michelle's birthday party at the TTH, 9/19. Amy tried telling everyone their estrangement started after Scandals 1 & 2. Those were in 2015. And here's a pic of Deanna celebrating Christmas at the Duggars in what appears to be 2018.

Look at John David and Abby.  Now they’re happy!!

[Cinnabon]

3 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

I actually think any power Boob has over Amy increased since Mary's death. Mary was clearly fond of Amy, and the potential wrath of Mary may have been what kept Boob from doing anything like threatening to sue Amy and what not. No longer a factor now that Mary has passed.

Sue her on what grounds, specifically? She has a right to speak out about anything she wants, as long as it’s true.

2 hours ago, JoanArc said:

BUT PEOPLE WILL FORGET HER. ZZ subcategory 3 fame is the most fleeting of all!

That’s true of every single one of them.

Edited January 24, 2022 by Cinnabon

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Sue her on what grounds, specifically? She has a right to speak out about anything she wants, as long as it’s true.

Except there is an NDA in place. Or so she says.

[Cinnabon]

Just now, emmawoodhouse said:

Except there is an NDA in place. Or so she says.

Eh,  I’m not sure I believe that. Why would she have signed one ? Not all NDAs are even legal or enforceable.

[Zella]

This is perhaps uncharitable of me, but I am 99% sure that Amy has no NDA and just likes teasing people with info to feel special and important because she's a classic attention whore, but then she claims she has an NDA to cover her ass when people ask her to really spill the beans because, in actuality, she has no beans to spill. 

Edit: And I say this as someone who used to believe her claim she had an NDA. 

Edited January 24, 2022 by Zella

[madpsych78]

If Amy signed an NDA, that would imply that she knew or was made aware of "sensitive" information and agreed to keep it confidential. 

[Ohiopirate02]

13 hours ago, Zella said:

This is perhaps uncharitable of me, but I am 99% sure that Amy has no NDA and just likes teasing people with info to feel special and important because she's a classic attention whore, but then she claims she has an NDA to cover her ass when people ask her to really spill the beans because, in actuality, she has no beans to spill. 

Edit: And I say this as someone who used to believe her claim she had an NDA. 

I never fell for that line from Amy. She would have signed paperwork with the production company and TLC back in the day, but that would have been show specific and had an expiration date on it.  She also appeared on at least one other reality show, Marriage Bootcamp, and she would have signed the requisite paperwork for that.  I think Amy uses those documents to keep her from spilling her nonexistent tea about her uncle and cousins.  She likes people to think she is sitting on some explosive information.  If she really was, someone with enough clout and money would pay her to spill.  What's the worst that can happen, JB sues her for breaching the NDA?  I know he is litigious and arrogant, but does he really want to open that can of worms?  

 

[Zella]

6 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

She likes people to think she is sitting on some explosive information. 

 

Yeah that's what made me start to think she didn't have one. I've never seen anyone else with an NDA spend so much time drawing attention to the fact that they have one. 

[GeeGolly]

I never got the impression that JB & M were anything but welcoming to Amy and Deanna. Sure he may have used Deanna's out of wedlock pregnancy as an example of sin, but it didn't seem mean spirited in the way they shared the story (from JB's & M's view).

I think Amy is so caught up in fame, she may not even realize what an ass she's turned into.

[Rootbeer]

1 hour ago, Zella said:

Yeah that's what made me start to think she didn't have one. I've never seen anyone else with an NDA spend so much time drawing attention to the fact that they have one. 

There is no way a 'family secret' NDA would make sense and it would be awfully hard to enforce.  I cannot picture JB spending money going after Amy if she somehow violated it since we all know she has limited personal assets.  JB would only sue if she had something worth getting.  Presuming the only tea Amy could reasonably spill would be about things she witnessed/experienced first hand; I just can't believe there is anything there.

Now, could it be that JB is executor of Mary's estate and there's some sort of trust fund from which Amy and/or Deanna is to receive a distribution?  Could be.  Might those distributions be made over time instead of all at once?  Sure.  Might Mary herself have put some limitations on the distribution including no public discussion of family business?  OK.  Amy might be limited somehow by her grandmother's estate.  But, that's not an NDA.

In any event. I, too, do not believe there is any sort of standard NDA signed by Amy nor do I actually think she knows anything about the Duggars that would be of interest to the general public.  

Edited January 24, 2022 by Rootbeer

[Cinnabon]

3 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I never fell for that line from Amy. She would have signed paperwork with the production company and TLC back in the day, but that would have been show specific and had an expiration date on it.  She also appeared on at least one other reality show, Marriage Bootcamp, and she would have signed the requisite paperwork for that.  I think Amy uses those documents to keep her from spilling her nonexistent tea about her uncle and cousins.  She likes people to think she is sitting on some explosive information.  If she really was, someone with enough clout and money would pay her to spill.  What's the worst that can happen, JB sues her for breaching the NDA?  I know he is litigious and arrogant, but does he really want to open that can of worms?  

 

Yep. If I were her, I would just go accept and break the NDA, because not all are even legal and if she signed one, why would it still be in effect? So I’m also leaning toward it’s nonexistent.

[Zella]

She's hinted repeatedly that she's trying to break it, which just further fuels my suspicions it doesn't exist. I mean, is this a Travis Story-authored NDA? My main takeaway from the trial (beyond Josh is really dumb and evil) is that Story is not very good at his job. Casting suspicion upon a former client who was sitting in jail as an overlooked suspect is just some of the most ridiculously bad lawyering I've ever heard of. I don't see him constructing an airtight NDA. 

[andromeda331]

6 hours ago, Zella said:

She's hinted repeatedly that she's trying to break it, which just further fuels my suspicions it doesn't exist. I mean, is this a Travis Story-authored NDA? My main takeaway from the trial (beyond Josh is really dumb and evil) is that Story is not very good at his job. Casting suspicion upon a former client who was sitting in jail as an overlooked suspect is just some of the most ridiculously bad lawyering I've ever heard of. I don't see him constructing an airtight NDA. 

Are we sure he even went to law school? Maybe he became a lawyer by watching one for an hour and decided he was an expert.