Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[GeeGolly]

It feels so patronizing in how they go to heavily Christian, Latin American countries to do their deed. They seem to go where they think people feel vulnerable, unsafe and want the American dream. If they truly believed their message they should be doing their mission work in their own backyard. 

Missionaries feel so calculating by going after the weakest prey.  Do they ever step their toes into affluent areas? If everyone needs their beliefs, then the rich and stable do too. I'm guessing they're all very confident "overseas" and would stumble terribly talking with their 'equals'.

[MargeGunderson]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

It feels so patronizing in how they go to heavily Christian, Latin American countries to do their deed. They seem to go where they think people feel vulnerable, unsafe and want the American dream. If they truly believed their message they should be doing their mission work in their own backyard. 

Missionaries feel so calculating by going after the weakest prey.  Do they ever step their toes into affluent areas? If everyone needs their beliefs, then the rich and stable do too. I'm guessing they're all very confident "overseas" and would stumble terribly talking with their 'equals'.

I think it goes beyond that into targeting people that they view as ignorant and therefore more susceptible to being told what to believe. It's the same old "save the savage" mindset that should have died out years ago with the death of colonialism but is alive and well with this bunch. 

Yes, I just called them racist. 

[BetyBee]

I have a Catholic friend, who was refused entrance into a group praying for a sick colleague, because she was "not Christian."  She was hurt and offended, but then remembered that she wasn't one to make a show of prayer anyway.  She prayed quietly and privately for the colleague...and for the screwed up fundie co-worker too!  

I sure would like to know what Derick, Jill and Sam will accomplish in Guadalajara.

Edited March 21, 2018 by BetyBee

[JoanArc]

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I sure would like to know what Derick, Jill and Sam will accomplish in Guadalajara.

Practice being Tio y Tia to a group of worthy believers. Resume padding for Der-licks missionary skills? A healthy, natural tan for both of them?

You know, $3000 conservatively invested would probably yield enough to pay for Izzy or Sam's first semester of college in 17 years. One of them MUST become Pistol Pete, right? But yeah, dragging an infant on a trip they'll never remember, on a trip that accomplishes nothing, is like, totally worth it! I just hope no one drops a shampoo bottle in the shower, Jill would need years of therapy to recover.

Edited March 21, 2018 by JoanArc

[Lukeysboat]

16 hours ago, Ocean Chick said:

 

On 3/19/2018 at 11:06 PM, awaken said:

Omg, she’s sitting in his lap in that photo?!  Just because she can?!  To show those other mission wannabes that the Dillards can now show off their PDAs anywhere since they’re a married couple?  They just can’t sit there and smile normally like everyone else. 

He’s emulating Jim Boob and Mess-chelle when they were dry humping in front of the Dullards

 

Unless it’s happened more than once, the barf-inducing humping was on a mini golf “date” with Jessa and Bin. ? That was one of the worst things I ever saw on 19 Kids. “Does this turn you on?” he asked. GAG!

[Luvmy300zx]

When my kids were in high school our Southern Baptist church went on two different mission trips. We had kids coming from other churches to participate because they were so popular. There was no grifting to pay for them. We had several fundraisers. Kids were required to participate in them. The money raised went into the kids mission trip fund and their parents were allowed to pay the balance. We required the kids to earn a portion of the trip money because we wanted to teach them to work for it. 

Trips were right here in the states. One was to FL to a church in a tourist area that didn't have enough adults to run its Vacation Bible School in the summer because the snowbirds who attended in the winter had returned to their homes. Our youth worked as helpers and aides to the adult teachers. When the kids weren't helping st VBS, they had free time and we had activities for them to have fun .

 

the other trip was to the mountains of NC where they did the same thing, helping a local church with their VBS. The kids worked where there was a need and they also had fun too. I was just talking to a couple of these kids on Facebook last night, now grown with kids of their own. They said what fond memories they had of these trips. I said all that to say, there are needs here. You don't have to leave the states  to find them . Hopefully our kids learned a lesson about working for what they want, as well as serving others.

[Mollie]

Someone should tell Derick that Jill was on the most recent Counting On episode monitoring Joy with her medical things.  (Jill was filmed telling Joy that the baby's heart rate was good, her vitals were good, and "So don't be discouraged.  It's actually really encouraging.")  This was filmed on February 23 – long after Derick claimed he wouldn't allow his family to be on the show.  His role as headship of the family has been compromised. And, Jill has demonstrated once again that she has no idea what she is doing and that she is dangerously incompetent to assist in homebirths.

 

[Fostersmom]

1 hour ago, BetyBee said:

I sure would like to know what Derick, Jill and Sam will accomplish in Guadalajara.

Nothing at all

[JoanArc]

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Jill was filmed telling Joy that the baby's heart rate was good, her vitals were good, and "So don't be discouraged.  It's actually really encouraging."

...except for the whole breech thing. Jill's gonna get someone killed someday, maybe even a family member. It's so sad and infuriating. I figure in a year or two she just try to perform a c-section herself. She's had one herself - so in her mind that's equivalent to the knowledge of most experts!

[yogi2014L]

26 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

...except for the whole breech thing. Jill's gonna get someone killed someday, maybe even a family member. It's so sad and infuriating. I figure in a year or two she just try to perform a c-section herself. She's had one herself - so in her mind that's equivalent to the knowledge of most experts!

That whole statement is ridiculous " Your baby is currently not in distress. its encouraging!" like...wtf Jill....

[Marigold]

This mission trip is just to boost Derick's ego.  He wants to  feel good about himself.

Notice how he works with college students, who are younger and less experienced than he is (sort of!).  If Derick worked with real men and women, he would be laughed out of the room.  I'm sure that's why he left Walmart, he couldn't handle feeling so inferior all day. So he then went to a country that made him feel superior.  Derick won't do any missions in any countries where he won't be the "savior".  He also heads to places where no one speaks English.  Another little trick. If no one speaks HIS language, then he can't look bad. 

So, this little mission trip is an ego boost...plus, he likes to look all pious in front of Jim Bob.  And Twitter.  Twitter is important to Derick. And Cocky Cathy the Christian.  Twiiter is where Derick makes magic happen.  And rubbing Jill's feet...

[Nysha]

In many ways, Derick would be considered a great role model in my old church. He stood up for Christ and Godly values against evil TLC. He "tells it like it is" and refuses to back down. He and Jill were virgins before they married.

OTOH, he would be counseled about not work/grifting, and the mission trips sponsored by the church were to build schools, do home repairs for the indigent and elderly, and other labor-intensive chores. Plus, they believed Catholics were Christians and didn't try to convert them.

[Marshmallow Mollie]

Guadalajara for spring break? More like GuadalaHOLLA!!!

Collecting my snacks for the prayer closet.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

18 hours ago, cmr2014 said:

I find it interesting that the people they want to convert are poor and brown, and already Christian. They don't want seem to be compelled to save American or Canadian atheists -- who, conveniently, can speak English -- because . . .

 

4 hours ago, Marigold said:

This mission trip is just to boost Derick's ego.  He wants to  feel good about himself.

Notice how he works with college students, who are younger and less experienced than he is (sort of!).  If Derick worked with real men and women, he would be laughed out of the room.  I'm sure that's why he left Walmart, he couldn't handle feeling so inferior all day. So he then went to a country that made him feel superior.  Derick won't do any missions in any countries where he won't be the "savior".  He also heads to places where no one speaks English.  Another little trick. If no one speaks HIS language, then he can't look bad. 

So, this little mission trip is an ego boost...plus, he likes to look all pious in front of Jim Bob.  

All this.  Derick and his ilk like to do their "missioncations" in places where they can fulfill their white savior complex....and the people don't speak their language, so they don't have as many people tell them to get lost....

A friend's 20-something adult child sent me a solicitation to help fund her missioncation to Prague. TO PRAGUE!!!  Her letter said they need to go to Prague because there are atheists and secular humanists (the horror! oh wait, I'm a secular humanist) there and people who don't know Christ (read: Catholics & other non-evangelical Christians).  They're going to hold social gatherings for teens in Prague to learn about the right Jesus (and sight-see plenty on the side, I'm sure).  Basically it was a solicitation asking me to help pay for her vacation to Prague where she'll talk to a few teens about Jesus at some parties. My husband's family member recently went on a similar grifted vacation mission trip to Germany.  Both reminded me of the Dillards' forays into missioncations. I guess the Dillards probably think they get some self-righteous/superiority gold stars for going to Latin America instead of Europe, though, since Latin America is so "dangerous." I can see them thinking they're making a bigger "sacrifice" than the missioncationers going to Europe by going to Danger America where the people are browner. 

I wish I would have known about these opportunities to get others to pay for one's international vacations missions as young, single person. I'd have traveled internationally many more times. 

Basically, send me a letter to donate when you're going to go do something useful (build homes, provide job training, etc) somewhere or when you're going to go hand out tracts somewhere where the majority of the people are Muslim, Buddhist, etc. (because that won't happen, since those aren't ideal missioncation places). 

Edited March 21, 2018 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Heathen]

5 hours ago, JoanArc said:

...except for the whole breech thing. Jill's gonna get someone killed someday, maybe even a family member. It's so sad and infuriating. I figure in a year or two she just try to perform a c-section herself. She's had one herself - so in her mind that's equivalent to the knowledge of most experts!

She's had two cesareans, so that makes her like the head of obstetrics at a major teaching hospital! 

Edited March 21, 2018 by Heathen

[Mollie]

On 3/20/2018 at 4:26 AM, Lunera said:

Gotta be protective of the hubby with all those girls in shorty shorts around. Jill is pathetic. 

The Guadalajara Metropolitan Area has a population of more than 4,300,000 people.  It is not a beach resort.  It is a five-hour drive from Guadalajara to the ocean.  The local population is very conservative and adults do not wear shorts, sandals or sneakers.  This crazy group from Cross Church looks like lewd, non-religious people.  Seriously, the locals would run away from anyone soliciting religious followers dressed the way that they are. Not only that, but their dress shows a complete disrespect for the local culture.  What do the townspeople think of Jill and Derick with their hands all over each other, Derick's bare legs and Jill sitting on his lap?  Go home, vulgar gringo Americans!    

[ginger90]

[Luvmy300zx]

Ya know, I've come to find that people who act all holier than thou and view themselves as better Christians than us other lowly sinners usually end up with the most skeletons in the biggest closets....I see you Jim Bob and Michelle....

[Albanyguy]

5 hours ago, Nysha said:

In many ways, Derick would be considered a great role model in my old church. He stood up for Christ and Godly values against evil TLC. He "tells it like it is" and refuses to back down.

That's exactly what the leghumpers on the Duggars' Facebook page are saying about him. They think he's being heroic and they're heartbroken that they can't see him and Jill on the show anymore.

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

56 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Is "our reliance upon our savior, Jesus Christ" some kind of code for "reliance on grifted donations"????

[DragonFaerie]

4 minutes ago, Albanyguy said:

That's exactly what the leghumpers on the Duggars' Facebook page are saying about him. They think he's being heroic and they're heartbroken that they can't see him and Jill on the show anymore.

But wasn't Jill on Joy's birthing episode?  

[Sew Sumi]

6 minutes ago, DragonFaerie said:

But wasn't Jill on Joy's birthing episode?  

She even had lines. But she's just volunteering, right? 

[Lunera]

I've been looking through the Instagrams of some of the people who attended the "mission trip". It's pretty much a vacation with some street evangelism thrown in. In the most recent C3 Instagram update they're in front of a Catholic Church sharing the gospel bothering people. Of course, it wouldnt be a proper missioncation without plenty of pictures with little brown children included. I despise these people. 

I spotted the Dullards in some of their pages.

[Sew Sumi]

Obviously, Derelict is NOT on the leaders' team here as he's sitting with the rest in that last picture. He's just a garden variety God-botherer on this excursion. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Oh, how I wish a group of Catholic college kids from Mexico would come hang out in front of Cross Church and hand out tracts about Catholicism.....

However, that would be considered by Catholics to be disrespectful to the Christians at Cross Church, as Protestants have been considered Catholics' brother and sisters in Christ since Vatican II called for ecumenicism.  Plus, it would be considered disrespectful and plain rude to stand in front of someone's church with conversion material by anyone in polite society. Ugh, these people....

[Misslindsey]

In all the pictures Jill and Derick seem sort of separate. Does that make sense? Almost like they are two random people traveling with the rest. 

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

One of my favorite things to do while traveling is to visit churches, especially older Catholic & Anglican/Episcopalian churches.  I love church art & architecture (and relics/reliquaries), even though I'm not personally religious.  I know many Protestants, atheists, Jews, Muslims, etc who also go visit notable Catholic churches on vacations to Europe, Latin America, etc. for the same reasons. 

Do the Cross Church kids even get to go inside of that beautiful church to appreciate the art, architecture, & history?  I assume not; they probably think Satan will build a fortress in their hearts via the "idolatry" inside (or they might actually learn something about Catholic culture/beliefs and not be able to vilify them as easily anymore).  In any case, it's a shame that the group is feet from that beautiful church but will miss out on the beautiful aesthetics & history inside. 

That picture of them right outside the entrance to the church basically sums up the willful ignorance of Derick and his ilk. 

[Trillium]

1 hour ago, Misslindsey said:

In all the pictures Jill and Derick seem sort of separate. Does that make sense? Almost like they are two random people traveling with the rest. 

I noticed that too, like they are off to the side. 

Ok Jill two things. First, No one wants your husband. You don’t need to be hanging on him in every god damned picture.  A picture of the two of you, by all means grope away, but in a large group photo sitting on his lap all the time is weird. Second, burn that skirt. I’m hoping it’s the same skirt in both photos unless she has two nearly identical ugly skirts. 

[Madtown]

1 hour ago, Misslindsey said:

In all the pictures Jill and Derick seem sort of separate. Does that make sense? Almost like they are two random people traveling with the rest. 

I thought the same thing and then I got to thinking. He certainly can't put his arm around another girl, Jilly has claimed her man by sitting on his lap and having their baby along. Then what would be said if he put his arm around another guy?..The horror!!!

They look like two idiots because they are two idiots.

[papermoon]

3 hours ago, Mollie said:

The Guadalajara Metropolitan Area has a population of more than 4,300,000 people.  It is not a beach resort.  It is a five-hour drive from Guadalajara to the ocean.  The local population is very conservative and adults do not wear shorts, sandals or sneakers.  This crazy group from Cross Church looks like lewd, non-religious people.  Seriously, the locals would run away from anyone soliciting religious followers dressed the way that they are. Not only that, but their dress shows a complete disrespect for the local culture.  What do the townspeople think of Jill and Derick with their hands all over each other, Derick's bare legs and Jill sitting on his lap?  Go home, vulgar gringo Americans!    

This is a very, very different impression of the Guadalajara locals than I got in my own experience. I don’t doubt that there are plenty of conservative, if not polished and educated professionals of varying leanings regarding beliefs. However, I actually cackled a bit when I first saw that they were headed there for this mission...based on the experiences I’ve had there. Whoever it was upthread that referred to it as GuadalaHolla....yes, that’s what we called it too heh!

 

Also, I don’t see anything lewd about the way these students are dressed. I’m not sure why they’d be characterized that way. They look normal, just not Duggar-Fundy.

[JoanArc]

4 hours ago, Heathen said:

She's had two cesareans, so that makes her like the head of obstetrics at a major teaching hospital! 

I wasn't sure if it was one or two. There's so much botching to go around!

 

 

Am I the only one that sees these two as an idealized version of Jill and Derick?

[EVS]

3 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

I wasn't sure if it was one or two. There's so much botching to go around!

 

 

Am I the only one that sees these two as an idealized version of Jill and Derick?

In Jill’s dreams, maybe. 

[Marigold]

3 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

Is "our reliance upon our savior, Jesus Christ" some kind of code for "reliance on grifted donations"????

I think that is a veiled slam to Jim Bob, who relies on TLC to pay his bills.  (boom!)

Derick is ultra holy because they have no money and yet, they bravely carry on...depending only on their savior to provide for them. 

[Lady Edith]

two Things:

 

1. IMHO there was no reason for Jill to tag along on that trip.  None. Other than being a chaperone. But she has an infant in tow who is taking up all of her attention. So she isn’t chaperoning 100%.

2. I am REEEEEEEALLY tired of being told I’m not a Christian Because I’m Orthodox and not whatever Protestant denomination they ascribe to. Go back and read church history, dolts.  Or pick up a theology book.  Learn about other Christian sects.  It’s all the same Jesus.  All the same God. Just how you worship.  Oh and icons are not idolatry.  We have them in our churches and homes to remind us of biblical lessons and key people. We venerate what is represented there.  Not the icon itself.  Learn a little before you go judging. 

[Mollie]

45 minutes ago, papermoon said:

This is a very, very different impression of the Guadalajara locals than I got in my own experience. I don’t doubt that there are plenty of conservative, if not polished and educated professionals of varying leanings regarding beliefs. However, I actually cackled a bit when I first saw that they were headed there for this mission...based on the experiences I’ve had there. Whoever it was upthread that referred to it as GuadalaHolla....yes, that’s what we called it too heh!

Also, I don’t see anything lewd about the way these students are dressed. I’m not sure why they’d be characterized that way. They look normal, just not Duggar-Fundy.

Here are responses given to people who asked what to wear to Guadalajara on Trip Advisor:

"First at over a mile high it will NOT be very hot. Second NO Shorts especially for men.

So no sandal, shorts, Tee shirt look Por Favor."

"I would agree with the no shorts suggestion. Nicer jeans and khaki pants for men are good alternatives. As for women, again nicer jeans, khakis, capri pants, skirts, etc. work. I think you will find that people tend to dress more formally than here in the States."

"People sort of dress up more here than in USA, are fashionable. think LA or New York, or really more like Europe ... generally women do not wear shorts except when running-biking, capris or jeans and sexy tops are fine, ... so you will see what to us gringos looks like rather low cut tight blouses and high heels but with long pants."

"I'd say dress like you normally do at home with some minor changes: shorts are not common outside of sports (same as sneakers for adults) and very short skirts will probably attract too many stares and, worse, rude comments to the wife, so I'd avoid that, too."

Understand that the group is there as religious missionaries, not as regular tourists.  Shorts and sandals are definitely incongruous with that image in this part of the world.  Here's how most missionaries dress in Guadalajara: goo.gl/DkbjAt

[PradaKitty]

Obviously, Cross Church doesn’t believe in blending in, not offending “the locals”, or doing any fucking research!

[bigskygirl]

Jill and Derelict stick out like a sore thumb in the one picture. I hope they are protecting Sammy from the heat and sun. Never mind...I forgot who I was talking about.

[awaken]

10 hours ago, yogi2014L said:

That whole statement is ridiculous " Your baby is currently not in distress. its encouraging!" like...wtf Jill....

I didn’t watch the episode, but at that time maybe the baby wasn’t in distress and heart tones were reassuring?  Before things became emergent?  

[Mollie]

25 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Jill and Derelict stick out like a sore thumb in the one picture. I hope they are protecting Sammy from the heat and sun. Never mind...I forgot who I was talking about.

Not to worry.  Jill usually carries tortillas to put on the baby's head.

 

[lulu69]

39 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Jill and Derelict stick out like a sore thumb in the one picture. I hope they are protecting Sammy from the heat and sun. Never mind...I forgot who I was talking about.

They stick out like a sore thumb bc they are not 18-21 yo college students & no matter how much Derick tries to relive the delusional glory of his college days its OVER. 

[LilJen]

51 minutes ago, Mollie said:

Not to worry.  Jill usually carries tortillas to put on the baby's head.

 

THIS. Who needs sunscreen when you can just put a tortilla on your kid's head?

[cmr2014]

1 hour ago, lulu69 said:

They stick out like a sore thumb bc they are not 18-21 yo college students & no matter how much Derick tries to relive the delusional glory of his college days its OVER. 

I think that this is part of Derick's "schooling."

There was a posting a while back where someone who said they knew them said that the leaders of the Cross Church program had steered Derick away from the "missionary" path and toward a path to lead a program for college students. I don't think he's a member of this group, or the leader of the group. I think he's like a counselor in training at a summer camp.

I don't think that this is going to work for him, either. I don't think that this is a good career path for him at all. In order to be a missionary, or to lead a church, or even a youth group, you have to be 1) a leader and 2) likable. Derick is neither. I can't imagine that any of those kids like him, or admire him, or relate to him, or confide in him, or want to be like him in any way. He's a strident, unpleasant, unhappy know-it-all. I think he repels people from his church and his faith. It takes all kinds, of course, and it could be that some of those kids look up to him, but I can't imagine who would.

[satrunrose]

On 3/20/2018 at 1:53 PM, Natalie68 said:

I am also curious why a group of college students, who by definition are adults, need chaperones?  I can see the group leader attending but a chaperone?  If I can vote and live on my own, I don't need a chaperone.  Let alone a clinger who cannot let her headship out of the country without his wife and baby.  Clearly Dickweed isn't needed to keep Sam on a feeding schedule.

 

The supreme irony of fundies is that, for people who are so anti-sex they are completely obsessed with it. They seem convinced that, despite a lifetime of broken bicycle references and Nike! anyone married is only stopping themselves from wild spontaneous sex because they are being supervised by Tia Jill. How shocked they would be to know that plenty of us non-fundies go around in the world with other things but immediate sexual gratification on our minds. 

[JoanArc]

10 hours ago, Mollie said:

Not to worry.  Jill usually carries tortillas to put on the baby's head.

She's gone from California Cheeseburger to Guadalajara Tortilla. Someone save that baby!

 

26 minutes ago, satrunrose said:

only stopping themselves from wild spontaneous sex because they are being supervised by Tia Jill.

Meanwhile I'm sure Derick and Jill are the first to let everyone know what great sex they're having, asking the vacationers to watch their baby while they have sex, etc.

[OpieTaylor]

Interesting timing on this People.com article: http://people.com/tv/jill-duggar-midwife-training/  Joy-Anna Duggar's Sister Jill Was There During Difficult Labor — All About Her Midwifery Training

I can't tell if the article is trying to support/defend Jill or expose her

[SMama]

From the article:

“ but wherever we are, we pray for the best possible outcome for the people we serve.” 

How’s that working out you ignorant, arrogant fool? Prayers do not bring mother and/or child back from death. Prayers do not help detect a breech baby, gestational diabetes, or any other complication. I’ll take an educated midwife, thank you.

[beckie]

Instead of gluing herself to Derick's side, while he trapes off on his faux mission trip, she'd be better off getting more midwife training, if she insists on assisting births.

Edited March 22, 2018 by beckie
had to add a phrase.

[Mollie]

Jill is no longer a licensed Lay Midwife in Arkansas.  She lost her license in August, 2017.

[beckie]

4 minutes ago, Mollie said:

Jill is no longer a licensed Lay Midwife in Arkansas.  She lost her license in August, 2017.

Well then sounds like she shouldn't even be assisting births as anything more than a doula .

[Picture It. Sicily]

She lost it? Did it lapse or was she stripped of it?