Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[dillpickles]

I just had a funny thought. What if prince Dill pickles had the same birthday as me (April 7th). But then I realized Jill probably won't be able to hold him in that much.

[Rhondinella]

So apparently Jilly is having contractions.  Start your engines, everyone.  (But don't start racing yet since it could be false labor).

 

http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/03/24/jill-duggar-due-date-baby-on-the-way-contractions/

[3girlsforus]

I will believe it when I see it. Even if she passes her exam, I don't see her working outside the home.

If she had a client go into labor while derick was at work, would Jill have to call one of her sisters to come babysit, while the mom in labor waited 30 min for the sister to arrive? Or would the client have to wait while Jill drove to pick up Derick from work early to watch their baby while she delivered the baby? I just don't see it happening unless one of the Duggar sisters came to live with them as a babysitter. I don't think midwives work on a 9-5 schedule.

 

No - they don't really work on a schedule. My midwives had a kind of 'on-call' schedule for labor but you are still on the hook for the entire birth which can take days. It's not like in a hospital when they turn you over to the next shift. I was in labor for nearly 40 hours and my midwife was there for most of it. Plus then you have to do the home visit just after the birth and there are office hours for pre-natal care. It's not a when you feel like it kind of job. 

So apparently Jilly is having contractions.  Start your engines, everyone.  (But don't start racing yet since it could be false labor).

 

http://hollywoodlife.com/2015/03/24/jill-duggar-due-date-baby-on-the-way-contractions/

So much for the hope that they'd give birth in peace and tell the media after the fact.

[Wellfleet]

No - they don't really work on a schedule. My midwives had a kind of 'on-call' schedule for labor but you are still on the hook for the entire birth which can take days. It's not like in a hospital when they turn you over to the next shift. I was in labor for nearly 40 hours and my midwife was there for most of it. Plus then you have to do the home visit just after the birth and there are office hours for pre-natal care. It's not a when you feel like it kind of job. 

 

Then forget it - Jilly Muffin couldn't hack it. I think midwifery was basically just a placeholder for Jill.

[abseedee]

What's wrong w/Isreal? It's a fairly common boys name.

I don't see anything wrong with it.  My favorite Hawaiian singer is named Israel.

[EarlGreyTea]

Then forget it - Jilly Muffin couldn't hack it. I think midwifery was basically just a placeholder for Jill.

 

Which is a shame because the few times we saw her working, she seemed pretty calm and competent. She didn't blink an eye in that episode a few seasons ago when that woman in labor (Venessa?) screamed and Jessa looked horrified. She seemed perfectly patient during Anna's looooong labor with Michael while Smugs took a nap (hate him).

 

I think she has a real talent for it. Too bad.

[abseedee]

The article went on to say that Baby Dillard is coming, but he may be late.  The contractions they're talking about are the Braxton Hicks she's experiencing. I think they picked up on the People interview Jill gave.

Edited March 25, 2015 by abseedee

[Absolom]

She said she's having Braxton-Hicks contractions.  That's absolutely normal and expected.  It doesn't mean she's in labor.

 

ETA:  Two of us posting at the same time.  

Edited March 25, 2015 by Absolom

[SoSueMe]

Just made my guess. 3/30/15, 8 lbs 10 oz, 20 inches long.  Richard James Robert Dillard.

Hmmmm, DickieJimBob ???

[GEML]

I'm assuming Jill would have her clients come to her, assuming she did anything with the midwifery. (Which I'm skeptical of.). But she would certainly be in a position to open a birthing center in her home. And we all know she has more than enough towels!

[3girlsforus]

Oh geez no... I would not want to give birth in someone else's home who had children and a husband. Where in the heck are they going to go while some woman is laboring in the home??? 

[Wellfleet]

Oh geez no... I would not want to give birth in someone else's home who had children and a husband. Where in the heck are they going to go while some woman is laboring in the home??? 

 

Agree - Jill having a birthing center in her own home sounds odd to me as well. To me, midwives have always been health professionals who never gave up making house calls. In most cases on the show, the mdwife has gone to the mother's home, hasn't she? Even if a midwife preferred the mother come to her, wouldn't that be in a separate location - an office or clinic somewhere - and not the midwife's personal home?

Edited March 25, 2015 by Wellfleet

[Rhondinella]

She said she's having Braxton-Hicks contractions.  That's absolutely normal and expected.  It doesn't mean she's in labor.

 

 

Yeah, I know.  But the article I read made it sound like they were tracking the contractions to the minute earlier today, which made me think it might be real.  Plus they were making a big deal out of the fact that it's her actual due date today.  But, I agree that it's probably all hype.  We always knew these people would call the media the second she felt a twinge.

[Absolom]

Yes, they copied another tabloid's story and hyped it up and put the real facts much farther down in the article.  ::big sigh::  It's all about the headlines.  Make it factually true, she is having contractions, but imply the lie that she's in labor.  

[3girlsforus]

And if they post stories like that often enough... she will be in labor :-)

Edited March 25, 2015 by 3girlsforus

[Honey]

Hmmmm, DickieJimBob ???

Oh hell, live dangerously.  DickJimmyRob.  If that's not the name of a future serial killer, I don't know what is.

I just had a funny thought. What if prince Dill pickles had the same birthday as me (April 7th). But then I realized Jill probably won't be able to hold him in that much.

I don't know.  She's had 20 years of training at keeping her legs clenched together.

Edited March 25, 2015 by Honey

[Mrsjumbo]

I still think Richard James (Rick James) is the funniest one, & they wouldn't even get it!

*shes a super freak, super freak*

[truthtalk2014]

I don't see anything wrong with it.  My favorite Hawaiian singer is named Israel.

Off topic but I adore Iz as well.  

Which is a shame because the few times we saw her working, she seemed pretty calm and competent. She didn't blink an eye in that episode a few seasons ago when that woman in labor (Venessa?) screamed and Jessa looked horrified. She seemed perfectly patient during Anna's looooong labor with Michael while Smugs took a nap (hate him).

 

I think she has a real talent for it. Too bad.

I still have not seen the episode where she gave birth in the toilet.  Seems that they don't replay that one as much as the others. 

[EarlGreyTea]

Off topic but I adore Iz as well.  

I still have not seen the episode where she gave birth in the toilet.  Seems that they don't replay that one as much as the others. 

I bought it on Amazon Prime because people kept talking about it and birth is strangely fascinating for me (it's one of the Specials so that may be why they don't rerun it). The highlight (or lowlight, really) was Smuggar telling Anna to put herself in a better position so the baby would come faster and then taking a nap while all the women stayed awake.  Jill actually was the one who helped catch the baby. I really liked her in that episode.

 

Then Jill did a TH where she said "Anna thought she had to relieve herself but had the baby instead" and Anna's in the background looking a bit embarrassed.

Edited March 25, 2015 by EarlGreyTea

[CarolMK]

I'm wondering if Baby Dill will wait until Easter Sunday to enter the world. Didn't Jill say that April 5 was her alternate due date since most first babies are late?

[DangerousMinds]

Do most women claim they have 2 due dates?

[Spencer Hastings]

Do most women claim they have 2 due dates?

My mother had two due dates with all of her kids. I arrived on my earliest due date (July 23 as opposed to August 13). My siblings also arrived closer to their first due dates. She's always said we have two birthdays, lol.

[Zahdii]

Do most women claim they have 2 due dates?

 

I'm not sure what you mean.  I've always said "The due date is such and such, but it could be any time from two weeks before then to two weeks after that."  But even that changed as my doctor moved the 'due date' later twice, and then I was 11 days late after that.

 

The second time I learned to not announce the pregnancy until I had to because I found that when people find out right away, it makes the pregnancy seem interminable.  By the 7th month people are complaining "Are you still pregnant?  What's taking so long?"  Made worse by having that baby be born two weeks late.

 

The third time around I didn't even tell my husband until I approached the three month mark, no one else for another month, and generalized the due date to "around such and such a time, but probably after that since I tend to go overdue.  I'll let you know as the time gets closer."  That baby went almost three weeks overdue.  I closed up shop after that.

 

But I've never met someone who gave a due date 'assigned' by their doctor, then named another date that they themselves picked.  Wait, I do know someone who had two different dates.  My sister had her original due date, but when her 8th month approached she announced that she had chosen to have her labor induced two weeks earlier because it was more convenient.  Lest you think she was being selfish, she found that she could only get two weeks off for maternity leave because she was at a new job.  Then her husband would be able to stay home for two weeks by using up his paid vacation before the timing lapsed, then her own vacation time was available so she had another week home before the baby had to go to the sitters during the day.  Such is life for working families.

[Cherrio]

Yes, and Jana is a concert pianist.

All I can see is they are well educated in dumb. 

[Portia]

Oh geez no... I would not want to give birth in someone else's home who had children and a husband. Where in the heck are they going to go while some woman is laboring in the home??? 

 

 

Agree - Jill having a birthing center in her own home sounds odd to me as well. To me, midwives have always been health professionals who never gave up making house calls. In most cases on the show, the mdwife has gone to the mother's home, hasn't she? Even if a midwife preferred the mother come to her, wouldn't that be in a separate location - an office or clinic somewhere - and not the midwife's personal home?

One of my nieces very recently gave birth at her midwife's home at the midwife's insistence because her place is very close to a hospital and the baby was in breech position.  Apparently this midwife has used her own home for client births in the past as well.

[3girlsforus]

Do most women claim they have 2 due dates?

 

This isn't unusual at all. I think it gets a bit distorted by this being a media pregnancy and every comment they make hits the tabloids like a huge announcement. But for "normal" women you get an automatic due date when you are first pregnant based on your last menstrual period. As the pregnancy progresses other factors can give a more accurate picture of gestational age of the baby - such as an ultrasound and often the due date will be adjusted. Even with an completely accurate due date (like when you know conception exactly because you had IUI or something like that) you are still talking about a 5 week window for a full term delivery.

One of my nieces very recently gave birth at her midwife's home at the midwife's insistence because her place is very close to a hospital and the baby was in breech position.  Apparently this midwife has used her own home for client births in the past as well.

Interesting. I really would only want that if the midwife lived alone. Other people's husbands and children are not invited to my births :-). 

[Fostersmom]

Not that I ever plan on having any kids, let alone at home, but if someone had a dedicated birthing suite, I guess it might be okay. It's not like Jill doesn't have enough room in the house. She could have a whole section of the house, a bedroom area, bathroom area, and even a family room kind of area (for the laboring family, not hers) if she really wanted. I don't see her doing the births at her home though. I can see her being more of a mission based midwife when she and Derick are in other countries. If she manages to not get pregnant 40 days after the baby is born, I can see them doing mission trips with a baby in the near future. 

[Barb23]

I'm assuming Jill would have her clients come to her, assuming she did anything with the midwifery. (Which I'm skeptical of.). But she would certainly be in a position to open a birthing center in her home. And we all know she has more than enough towels!

Little off topic from THE impending birth, but does anyone remember how many towel sets they received or asked for? I caught Clinton Kelly on the Meredith show recently & they were discussing registering for bridal gifts & towels came up. Guess who came to mind? He said you should have 3 sets of towels-one that's being used, one in laundry & one in linen closet. Meredith said something about adding a 4th but I forgot her reason possibly a guest set. He came across that this should be plenty especially when it's just the 2 of you starting out.

[Cherrio]

i would still vote for I'm Rick James Bitch for the name, but my personal choice would be Twerk Dillard.     I thought of it as a joke at first, but it does have a good ring to it, doesnt it?

 

Or they could go the route of creating or using one of the now popular names like Camden, Brayden etc.       Since they have been so sheltered , I think they might choose Condom as a name.

[Barb23]

Hmm, Condom Dillard has sort of a distinguished ring to it (lawyer, business executive, politician). Twerk Dillard would work for a country singer.

[TomServo]

Do most women claim they have 2 due dates?

 

 

Do most say that publicly?  Probably not.  But it's not uncommon for women who chart their cycles (using Billings or Sympto-Thermal or whatever method) to know that the due date their doctor came up with is most likely "off" because unless you had an early ultrasound, the doctor just uses the date of your last menstrual period.  With my first pregnancy, I had two due dates because the doctor gave me one date, but I also had an early ultrasound in which the tech gave me a different date.

Jill could have meant any number of things.  It could be that she had an early ultrasound with a conflicting date, or it could be that she had some conflicting data that made them not 100% sure about the date of conception, or it could be that she's just going by the "we'll let you go so far post-dates before you no longer meet the homebirth criteria" or it could mean that she calculated her due date using both Nichols Rule and Naegele's Rule and therefore has more than one date in mind.

(Naegele's Rule is the method that is most popular in the medical community and it's based on a guess that gestation lasts about 10 moon cycles and an assumption that all women have clockwork 28-day cycles.  That little cardboard wheelie thing in the OB/GYN's office most likely uses Naegele's Rule.  Basically it counts 280 days from the date of the last menstrual period.  There's also Parikh's formula which takes an individual's usual cycle length into consideration and Nichol's Rule, which a lot of midwives use because they consider it to be more accurate.  Nichol's Rule has a different formula for a first-time pregnancy from the formula for an experienced mother).

[ChicksDigScars]

I sure hope Cathy has been given a ticket to the birth. Not necessarily front row center in watching the birth (since we don't know if she wants to be that involved or not) but at least be around in the house to help as needed, possibly prepare a meal with Jana? Who knows, maybe she can give Jana some much needed motherly advice. All I can think of is Anna's mother who wasn't at any of the three kiddos births or even mentioned in the birth episodes. They could have at least shown the Smuggars calling them in Florida with the birth news.

 

And I hope that Jim Bob is not planning on bringing the whole fucking germy assed brood to the house afterwards, like he did to poor Anna. The bus rolls up and Howlers and Lost Girls jump out and start trampling on Jill's flower beds and peeking in the windows, with DimBulb honking the air horn? NO. Just NO. I don't care how many cameras are present. 

 

 

 

OK running joke amongst snarky Christians (as many of us on this board are), is that the more Drunk on Koolaid and/or Sinful in a Previous Season of Life and Overcompensating, the more likely Evangelical babies names are Israel, Judah, Haddassah, Bethany, Priscilla, something multiple syllable that ends in -iah AKA the most Old Skool Old Testament names possible,

 

Every one of those Jeub kids names end in the "A" or "AH" sound. Alicia, Alissa, Cynthia, Lydia, Isaiah, Micah, Noah, Tabitha, Keilah, Hannah, Josiah, Havilah, Joshua, Priscilla, Zechariah, and Elijah (thank you, Wikipedia). It's just as annoying as having the same letter sound at the beginning of the names. Ah-HEM, Duggars.

 

 

 

Catholic babies are Mary Whatever for girls and some combo with Peter, Paul, Joseph or John for boys, with the ultimate combos of John Paul and Peter Joseph.

 

Yeah, ask me how many freaking PAUL'S there are in my Italian Catholic family. Followed by several Joseph's. On the girl's side, Ann seems to be the predominant choice, paired with variations of Mary (Marie, Maria).  There are several Ann's, along with an Annmarie, an Anita, etc.  That side of my family is not very imaginative. The other side has the more unusual, imaginative names: Francesca, Gilda, Erminia, Sarafina, Cristina. 

Edited March 25, 2015 by ChicksDigScars

[3girlsforus]

I can live with the ultra-Biblical, overcompensating Evangelical names. I can live with the over abundance of Catholic Pauls, Josephs, Marys and Anns. What gets to me every time, and not just with both generations of the Duggars, is the all same initial thing. These are PEOPLE. People deserve their own name and own identity. And of course since the senior Duggars chose 'J' after JimBob it furthers their attitude that the kids are just a reflection of Michelle and JB and not really their own separate people. 

 

And don't get me started on rhyming twin names - yes I dated a guy who was a twin and his name rhymed with his twin's name. UGH!!

[TomServo]

 It's not like Jill doesn't have enough room in the house. She could have a whole section of the house, a bedroom area, bathroom area, and even a family room kind of area (for the laboring family, not hers) if she really wanted.

 

I've been in the house of a lady who works as a midwife who has one of those split-bedroom house designs where there's a large common area in the middle and then a wing on each side, and her family lives in one side and she uses the other side for her business.  If you did give birth there, you definitely wouldn't have her family all in your business even though it was at her home.  I also went to a medical doctor one time whose office was basically a couple of rooms on the back side of her house.

 

It would be much more of a legal hassle for Jill to offer client births at her house, though.  It's one thing to get CPM certification, but most states consider offering your facility like that as "running a freestanding birth center" and it falls under a whole different set of regulations with a separate license and annual inspections, etc.  There was news in my state five or six years ago because a couple of CPMs near the border were doing too many on-site births for out-of-state clients from a neighboring state that does not allow licensing of CPMs, and they got in hot water for running a birth center without a license even though their midwifery licenses were up-to-date and the babies and moms were healthy.  The midwife I used had a separate guest house on her property, and she said that if you really wanted to use it, you could, but that she couldn't advertise that space as a perq to her clients.  It had to be more like, "Oh, hey, they happened to be here when labor started and decided it wouldn't be advantageous to travel back home" wink, wink as far as the state was concerned.

 

I guess if she wanted to do that, she could hire Derick to handle all the extra paperwork.

[GEML]

Anna went to a "birthing center" that looked like a private home, and Jill seemed to work in one. A lot of people who use a midwife don't necessarily want a home birth because of the mess.

[barbedwire]

So no little dill pickle yet?  4 more days to go and my prediction will be right.

[andromeda331]

The other side has the more unusual, imaginative names: Francesca, Gilda, Erminia, Sarafina, Cristina.

 

 

My mom's side is like that on the rare two times kids got normal names the decided they didn't like them and went by their more unusual middle names. I've even got a great-great-grandmother who's name was Cinderella. My sister-in-law on the other hand has one of the most common first and last names which she hated because there were a million girls with her name. All through school there was always eight other girls with her first and last name. The school always called her parents saying she missed school instead of the correct girl. She couldn't wait to get married and change her last name only to find out there was another woman who taught in the same district she did with her name. So when it came to naming my nephew she picked an very rare and not used biblical name. And what do you know with in a couple years it became popular.

[3girlsforus]

Anna went to a "birthing center" that looked like a private home, and Jill seemed to work in one. A lot of people who use a midwife don't necessarily want a home birth because of the mess.

 

Definitely. My midwives had a birth center that actually was a private home... except no one lived there. It was used for birth center births and prenatal care. I can see using a midwife's home if she lived alone or MAYBE if she was just married but no kids around and the area was significantly removed from anywhere the husband would be. But Jill will have kids and no matter what arraignments she makes for watching them during a birth or even a prenatal appointment they will come looking for Mom and since birth is a 24 hours a day business you can't just send the kids to someone else's home in the middle of the night. I do wonder about the rules for birth center licensing. All the midwives I've dealt with either as a patient or a birth assistant have been CNMs which gives them more of a legal standing so it might be more difficult for a lay midwife to establish a "birth center". When I was having kids and attending births only CNMs were legal in VA. Now VA will license direct-entry midwives but I'm not familiar with the laws surrounding them and their practices.

 

It makes me sad. As someone said above, Jill does seem to have a talent and passion for being a midwife. If she had put off kids she could have established a midwife business and really come into her own as a person. 

[xtwheeler]

How on earth does constantly being on "Duggar time" work with being a midwife? I guarantee she'll miss half the births she is called to simply because she is chronically late. Can you imagine choosing a midwife who openly brags about her inability to be anywhere on time? Last I checked, babies set the schedules for birth, not the chronically late midwife. That seems like a recipe for catching your own baby.

[GEML]

Jill did get a speeding ticket once because of a birth....I don't think Jill and Jessa as individuals are necessarily late to everything. And I think they and some of the others are embarrassed by it because they recognize how badly it makes them appear when it comes to respecting others. Jana, interestingly enough, seems rather UNconcerned about it though.

[Fostersmom]

Josh and Anna don't function on Duggar time, and I'm sure Derick doesn't either. Real jobs be hard, yo. 

[Absolom]

Which daughter was it who basically said that they could be ready, but it was Michelle and Jim Bob holding them back?

Edited March 25, 2015 by Absolom

[Wellfleet]

Josh and Anna don't function on Duggar time, and I'm sure Derick doesn't either. Real jobs be hard, yo. 

 

Maybe "Duggar time" would more correctly be called "Boob time?"  It's Boob who seems to be the common denominator - if he's involved, the family will be late.

 

[ChocolateAddict]

I would hope that Derrick would encourage Jill to be punctual, he does have a job/went to college, etc.  But at the same time, rather than Jill becoming a Dillard, Derrick has definitely become a Duggar so I wouldn't hold out hope for the end of "Duggar time" with those two.  

[xtwheeler]

I guess it is still hard for me to tell one Duggar from another since they are always presented (to my mind anyway) as sort of an amorphous blob. I wish that they could see individuality as god's blessing to each of them, but it seems they're intent on groupthink.

[Vaysh]

 

Maybe "Duggar time" would more correctly be called "Boob time?"  It's Boob who seems to be the common denominator - if he's involved, the family will be late.

I've always considered 'Duggar Time' to be yet another symptom of Boob's endless need to assert control and to manipulate other people. Chronic lateness is a classic passive agressive behaviour which could stem from Boob's insecurities (as do most things with that man). Forcing people to hang around and wait for him and his offspring probably gives him a bit of a thrill and makes him feel like the important Big Man he isn't.

 

I don't think the kids have necessarily inherited this behaviour. Hopefully they've realised it's disrespectful and, in Jill's case, simply an impossible way to live if you or your husband has got a real job.

[Quof]

Josh and Anna used to function on Duggar Time, has that changed?  I recall specifically Josh saying they were always late getting out of the house because their kids weren't "morning people" and I yelled at the tv "Then be a parent, and put them to bed at a reasonable hour, you moron."

[GEML]

In DC, you don't run on Duggar time. There's some advantage in that DC works a 10-6 schedule rather than 9-5 (assuming you get to leave at 6) so the morning isn't necessarily a big issue, but Josh wouldn't be the one keeping people waiting - he's the peon in 99% of the meetings.

[Fostersmom]

And both were visibly pissed when JimBob didn't show up with their furniture on time or even the right day. 

[Literata]

Gotta admit I find it a little refreshing that Jill is rather chill about the due-date thing. My stepdaughter has had two kids, and both times, she went to the doctor just before her due date and whined and cried until he agreed to induce her. Neither baby was overly large or apparently "overdue" in any way.