Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Salacious Kitty]

2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

According to the judges statement, Anna & Josh were not hurting for money.

I think that Anna has enough to feed and clothe her kids. No clue why the debt hasn't been paid though, although as I noted above, JB appears to have gone MIA. Housing his grandkids is something else entirely. 

[CalicoKitty]

Perhaps all the moving of money between LLCs didn't impress the judge.  It may have been moved from Josh's name to Anna's, but it is still in Josh's immediate family.  Unless Josh blew through it all, or hid money elsewhere, there should be money in Anna's LLCs. I would be surprised if she knows anything about her finances,  and that she just signed some papers as ordered.  I think JB and his lawyer still have control.  I'm sure any knowledge of family finances is strictly the headship's job.

[crazy8s]

Anna's llcs all had/have a financial firm listed along with anna. Western Ridge Financial. Not the usual duggar acct, but I bet a sweet friend of jb's is in charge there.

 

[Quilt Fairy]

2 hours ago, crazy8s said:

, but I bet a sweet friend of jb's is in charge there.

Isn't that lawyer friend of JB's co-manager of all Anna's LLCs? 

[Salacious Kitty]

1 minute ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Isn't that lawyer friend of JB's co-manager of all Anna's LLCs? 

Travis Story? Could be. 

[crazy8s]

14 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Isn't that lawyer friend of JB's co-manager of all Anna's LLCs? 

Yes, I forgot about that.

Anna dissolved a bunch of llcs all at once. She has two currently, ALB Investments llc and Homefield Properties llc, that have Anna and Travis Story listed.

She still has one, Glasglow Drive llc, that has Anna and Western Ridge both listed as Owner/Incorporator

[ginger90]

The BOP has an Inmate Financial Responsibility Program. It’s basically to set up a payment plan. It’s voluntary, so he’s not necessarily doing it, but he could be. The payments can be very low (a minimum of $25 each quarter) so perhaps what is being reported isn’t exactly correct. It may not be paid off, but it could be in process. 🤷🏼‍♀️

 

Found this ( I closed it before copying the website)

How long is the time to pay back restitution?

Under federal law, the government can pursue unpaid restitution for 20 years after release from prison. Per the Department of Justice, restitution judgments are in effect and enforced for 20 years after the period of a person’s prison term.

 

[DXD526]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/duggar-family-compound-visited-police-103814056.html

Lots of interesting stuff here, but for the purposes of this thread, the last two paragraphs. Anna is 'questioning' her future with Pest? So says a 'source'...

[quarks]

I mean, any of us could have told In Touch or People that Anna's situation is very difficult at this point. So I do trust this "source" on that, at least.

[awaken]

Seeing the absolutely sickening clip of Anna’s dad’s sermon posted on WOACB explains a lot about why Anna is the person she is. She was raised by a horrifically small minded, uneducated bigot. 

[Salacious Kitty]

4 minutes ago, awaken said:

Seeing the absolutely sickening clip of Anna’s dad’s sermon posted on WOACB explains a lot about why Anna is the person she is. She was raised by a horrifically small minded, uneducated bigot. 

I saw it. His views on slavery are, at best, delusional. What sick, sad people who believe similarly.

[charmed1]

I saw it once and will never view it again, but I’m glad that racist piece of shit is going viral. It’s all over social media now. 

[lascuba]

Anna's the one who couldn't hide her disgust towards the staff at the Ethiopian restaurant or the congregants at a Black megachurch. Her father spouting racism isn't at all surprising.

[jcbrown]

For those like me who could not stand to give clicks to Ms. Balls, I found a piece about it on the Daily Beast: https://www.thedailybeast.com/anna-duggars-dad-mike-keller-gives-bonkers-racist-sermon-on-slavery

I suppose it is not a surprise that Anna's dad is an incoherent racist POS but it is still startling to read.

[Salacious Kitty]

20 minutes ago, jcbrown said:

For those like me who could not stand to give clicks to Ms. Balls, I found a piece about it on the Daily Beast: https://www.thedailybeast.com/anna-duggars-dad-mike-keller-gives-bonkers-racist-sermon-on-slavery

I suppose it is not a surprise that Anna's dad is an incoherent racist POS but it is still startling to read.

I heard about it on FJ. The sermon was posted on Fairpark Baptist's YT as of yesterday. I'm still angry on behalf of everyone Pa Keller offended. That's a whole lot of people. 

Edited June 29, 2023 by Salacious Kitty

[Salacious Kitty]

Pa Keller makes Newsweek.

[Zella]

Yikes I figured his comments were pretty awful but hadn't read them until now. That's somehow even worse than I'd imagined.

Am I correct this was at David Waller's church? They reference a David Weller married to his daughter in the article, but I'm assuming they're as bad at ID'ing fundies as The Sun was at Josh's trial. 🙃

[Salacious Kitty]

Yes, he was a guest preacher at David Waller's church. 

[satrunrose]

Uhh, Mr Keller, Frederick Douglas and Harriet Tubman (among many, many others) want a word with you...

[Natalie68]

12 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Pa Keller makes Newsweek.

It thrills me to no end that these horrid people are getting the bad publicity they deserve.  Christian my ass.

[charmed1]

The thing is, if this stupid bastard had humbled himself enough to get even a third grade education, he would know that there’s a reason why April 16th is a holiday in the District of Columbia. It’s because the enslaved Africans who actually built this city were emancipated on that day in 1862, prior to the Emancipation Proclamation. And those same enslaved Africans who he says never marched on Washington had plenty of protests while they were building this city for free. They were beaten, jailed or killed for it. Some brought lawsuits against their enslavers who were mostly in neighboring Maryland and Virginia and “rented” their captive human beings out for extra cash. Not to mention teaching enslaved Africans to read was illegal. Bible or not.

Someone on Reddit said he looks like an uncooked ham and now I can’t unsee it.

Edited June 29, 2023 by charmed1

[xwordfanatik]

Racist pig.  Dumb as a fence post.  

38 minutes ago, charmed1 said:

The thing is, if this stupid bastard had humbled himself enough to get even a third grade education, he would know that there’s a reason why April 16th is a holiday in the District of Columbia. It’s because the enslaved Africans who actually built this city were emancipated on that day in 1862, prior to the Emancipation Proclamation. And those same enslaved Africans who he says never marched on Washington had plenty of protests while they were building this city for free. They were beaten, jailed or killed for it. Some brought lawsuits against their enslavers who were mostly in neighboring Maryland and Virginia and “rented” their captive human beings out for extra cash. Not to mention teaching enslaved Africans to read was illegal. Bible or not.

Someone on Reddit said he looks like an uncooked ham and now I can’t unsee it.

Great post!  

[Stevie Nicks]

I have no words for that POS. Ugh. He believes all his bullshit. It's just beyond belief. 

[auntieminem]

Wonder what David thinks about all the bad publicity his FIL brought to his church. I see on the churches FB page there are some responses on unrelated posts and in the mentions. They are correcting the mis-information and pointing out the bigotry. They are requesting the church admit the sermon was wrong and racist.  It is just a few but the story seems to be spreading. Isn't that the church the Spivey's attend?  Hilary better rush to David's defense. 

[GeeGolly]

Sadly, there are plenty of folks pushing this same agenda. I'm guessing the church will stand by him.

[AstridM]

11 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Sadly, there are plenty of folks pushing this same agenda. I'm guessing the church will stand by him.

Definitely Jinger’s new cult leader McArthur fully agrees and pushes the same agenda. 

[Salacious Kitty]

1 hour ago, auntieminem said:

Wonder what David thinks about all the bad publicity his FIL brought to his church. I see on the churches FB page there are some responses on unrelated posts and in the mentions. They are correcting the mis-information and pointing out the bigotry. They are requesting the church admit the sermon was wrong and racist.  It is just a few but the story seems to be spreading. Isn't that the church the Spivey's attend?  Hilary better rush to David's defense. 

Yes, this is the Spivey's church. I'm surprised that Hilaria hasn't come out, guns blazing. 

[satrunrose]

One interesting thing about this is that the Duggars and close-to Duggars have done a much better job of disguising their attitudes towards racism than, say, the Bateses. I've always inferred that they are, because that's the circles they run in, but in the TLC days they managed plausible deniability. I'm almost glad the ugly is showing now. 

[oliviabenson]

Jil/Davidl Rodrigues married their daughter to Keller son. That’s what the Rodrigues parents agree with. Yikes. My opinion on the Rodrigues fell even further. 
 

Anna was doomed from birth. Jeez.

[Salacious Kitty]

Shit is coming out from all corners. This is from Gothard survivor Emily Elizabeth Anderson.

 

Since the release of the documentary a few people have asked me who the male assistant was who watched Gothard groom me late at night in his office, so I’d like to go ahead and go record with that individual’s identity.

The man is David Waller. David and his now wife Priscilla (yes, Anna Duggar’s sister), were both working at IBLP HQ when I was there in 2011. They began their courtship just a few weeks after I left, and soon after Gothard left his position as President of IBLP, David was brought on as the director of The Advanced Training Institute (ATI).

Over the span of two weeks, David watched closely as Gothard sexually groomed me (which included being present for late night sessions and inappropriate questioning as to my sexual and romantic relationship history), as Gothard persuaded me to come up to HQ, and then he assisted Gothard in crafting manipulative ways to coerce me into staying at HQ, against my and my mother’s wishes.

David and his wife Pricilla have since left ATI and David now serves as lead pastor of Fairpark Baptist Church in TX.

If you are wondering if Waller has since changed in the last decade and now chooses to hold abusers accountable, I can personally say I believe he has NOT. Just last year he penned a letter to the judge who was sentencing Josh Duggar for possession of CSAM and he asked the judge for leniency. He wrote, “As a pastor who cares about the spiritual condition of people, I urge you to consider how much his wife and seven children need him in their lives…to be brought back home to provide not just financial, but spiritual guidance in the family.”

David has never personally reached out to me to apologize or take ownership of his enabling of Gothard’s abuse during my stay at HQ.

[Scarlett45]

I am not surprised that David believes Josh is capable of providing spiritual guidance to ANYONE. I’m also going to point out that none of Josh’s adult siblings would write a letter for him, but his brother-in-law said this drivel. 

[merylinkid]

18 hours ago, auntieminem said:

Wonder what David thinks about all the bad publicity his FIL brought to his church. I see on the churches FB page there are some responses on unrelated posts and in the mentions. They are correcting the mis-information and pointing out the bigotry. They are requesting the church admit the sermon was wrong and racist.  It is just a few but the story seems to be spreading. Isn't that the church the Spivey's attend?  Hilary better rush to David's defense. 

WHY?   They all agree with it.   Just because they aren't as blatant saying it as Pa Keller doesn't mean they don't agree.   Even the ones who left Gothardism just found new churches with the same beliefs.   They are just going to claim persecution and say everyone else is wrong.   David is married to Priscilla its not like this is the first time he heard Pa Keller's thoughts on the subject.  

Because this is who David Waller is:

6 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Shit is coming out from all corners. This is from Gothard survivor Emily Elizabeth Anderson.

 

 

He's not some bumbling guy that has a cute nickname that is married to the dippy Priscilla.   He is just as bad as the rest of them.

[GeeGolly]

Pecanman and the FF were BFFs prior to marrying the Keller sisters. Pecanman is an, I was saved at age 3, kind of Fundy. His family is just as nuts(lol) as the Kellers and Duggars. They've all been taught White straight men are good, all others are inferior.

[auntieminem]

13 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Shit is coming out from all corners. This is from Gothard survivor Emily Elizabeth Anderson.

 

 

When she was telling her story about Gothard and the male assistant who witnessed Gothard groom her, my first thought it was David Waller.  Now people are adding this to comments on the church's FB page.  The comments are on non-related reels.  Hillary had better get on this. 

[DXD526]

I wonder if Pest will make an appearance?

https://whatsondisneyplus.com/the-ashley-madison-project-hulu-release-date-announced/

[Salacious Kitty]

8 minutes ago, DXD526 said:

I wonder if Pest will make an appearance?

https://whatsondisneyplus.com/the-ashley-madison-project-hulu-release-date-announced/

I bet he gets a mention. He was one of the biggest names outed. 

[AstridM]

19 minutes ago, DXD526 said:

I wonder if Pest will make an appearance?

https://whatsondisneyplus.com/the-ashley-madison-project-hulu-release-date-announced/

I saw that. FU Anna. 

[TigerLily20]

I saw a commercial for the Ashley Madison documentary and Josh's face was one of the ones they focused on as to being outed, I am sure he will get mentioned

[sixlets]

It's just a Yahoo article, but I wonder if there's any truth to the JB-sitting-in-Anna's-row thing.  

[Iguessnot]

2 hours ago, sixlets said:

It's just a Yahoo article, but I wonder if there's any truth to the JB-sitting-in-Anna's-row thing.  

Reads like a typical Yahoo article of no journalistic quality and dredging up gossip from social media. I don't remember many details about the trial, but what family members of Anna showed up? And at the time of the trial, why would Anna be giving JB the cold shoulder? He was paying for the defense and providing a home for her and her kids at a chaotic time. 

I'm not speculating on anything else in the article, but those tidbits about the trial seem suspect.

[Zella]

I'm not so sure about that rumor either, but regarding her family attending the trial. Didn't her uncle attend? If I'm not mistaken, he was the mystery man nicknamed Santa Claus. 

Edited July 7, 2023 by Zella

[ginger90]

David Waller was there at some point. Perhaps at sentencing?

[Zella]

4 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

David Waller was there at some point. Perhaps at sentencing?

Yes you're right! He did pop up. Wasn't he there when Hilaria was there? He may also have made separate appearances on his own. 

[Salacious Kitty]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

David Waller was there at some point. Perhaps at sentencing?

David was there a few days. I remember him helping the defense haul out boxes. 

[Albanyguy]

17 hours ago, Iguessnot said:

And at the time of the trial, why would Anna be giving JB the cold shoulder? He was paying for the defense and providing a home for her and her kids at a chaotic time. 

And at that point, Anna was still smugly convinced that Josh-u-a would be vindicated and walk out a free man. She had no reason to be upset with Jim Bob or anyone else. She was far more interested in smirking for the cameras outside the courtroom.

[Gemma Violet]

On 6/30/2023 at 7:36 PM, TigerLily20 said:

I saw a commercial for the Ashley Madison documentary and Josh's face was one of the ones they focused on as to being outed, I am sure he will get mentioned

Just a reminder that it starts today on Hulu.  There are three episodes.  I'm about halfway through the first episode.  No Josh yet.

[Laura Holt]

19 hours ago, Iguessnot said:

And at the time of the trial, why would Anna be giving JB the cold shoulder? He was paying for the defense and providing a home for her and her kids at a chaotic time. 

I don't know how true it would have been about her and JB being on the outs but IIRC there was comment at the time that Anna seemed to be sitting alone during at least some parts of the trial.  I think the husband of one of the Duggar girls sat beside her at some point.  But not JB - this may have been because he was too busy trying to run the show and tell the judge what was supposed to happen.

[CalicoKitty]

42 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:

Just a reminder that it starts today on Hulu.  There are three episodes.  I'm about halfway through the first episode.  No Josh yet.

Josh is spoken about in about the middle of the second episode.  Full screen facial picture, and a picture with Michelle.  They point out that he was working for an organization that preaches home and family, mentions that he was accused of molesting 5 girls, and is in prison.  Maybe 2 or 3 minutes total.

[ginger90]

40 minutes ago, Laura Holt said:

think the husband of one of the Duggar girls sat beside her at some point. 

Derick did.

[GeeGolly]

IIRC, the seating in the small courtroom was first come, first served. I doubt JB arrived early enough to sit in the front row every time.

There are way too many reasons for Anna and JB to remain on good terms - for both of them. Would I be surprised if JB bought a house in TX for Anna to live in, nope. Nor would I be surprised if Anna was hanging out in TX with her sister and/or the Spiveys. But I doubt she is on the outs with JB.