Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[CountryGirl]

On 1/25/2022 at 2:18 PM, iwantcookies said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10436175/Josh-Duggars-child-porn-lair-revealed-time.html
 

Pics of Josh’s filthy office. What a slob.

To the surprise of absolutely no one.

[Rabbittron]

3 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Yes, in a 2014 video, this was stated. It’s easy to find, but I’m giving a warning, FF is front and center. 

 

 

 

Thank you for telling me about the video.  I forgot about that.  At least I know that I am not that I wasn't crazy. 

[beckie]

Who is the person in the picture with Anna? And Anna is sure smiling big for that selfie. She either doesn't miss Josh or she was gabbing with him.

Edited February 3, 2022 by beckie

[ginger90]

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Edited February 3, 2022 by ginger90

[emmawoodhouse]

1 hour ago, beckie said:

Who is the person in the picture with Anna? And Anna is sure smiling big for that selfie. She either doesn't miss Josh or she was gabbing with him.

That's her son Michael. She was taking a picture of him after he won a prize (sorry, didn't pay attention to the categories).

[auntieminem]

Anna posted on instagram Not sure why except to say he is innocent.  She links to the motion for acquittal or new trial.  Poor Anna, she is as dumb as she seems.  I wonder if she is the only one who still thinks he didn't do it. 

[BitterApple]

I don't even know what to say.

I'm starting to wonder if that rumor of a fight with Austin is true. 

[GeeGolly]

Wow, just wow. Anna can't get there. What bullshit is Josh giving her to grab onto? Maybe she needs more time to face the fact she loves, married and had kids with scum.

Anna's post:

Edited February 4, 2022 by GeeGolly

[ginger90]

Good grief.

 

[auntieminem]

Of course comments are turned off but how can 870 like that post?

[beckie]

Her denial goes deep. She just doesn't get it. Even if he had never gone down for this, how much more would it take for her to see his true colors? I don't think she ever would, because she doesn't WANT to.

[Zella]

She's approaching Joe Exotic levels of denial. 

[galaxygirl76]

I'm sure there is way more to the story, just not in a positive way that sets Josh free like she thinks.

[lascuba]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Wow, just wow. Anna can't get there. What bullshit is Josh giving her to grab onto? Maybe she needs more time to face the fact she loves, married and had kids with scum.

Anna's post:

I don't think any bullshit is required. Once you believe the whacked out nonsense their  religion requires, you'll happily believe (or publicly pretend to believe) anything that reinforces your worldview. Josh could confess all to her and she'd still proclaim his innocence. 

[JoanArc]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Wow, just wow. Anna can't get there. What bullshit is Josh giving her to grab onto? Maybe she needs more time to face the fact she loves, married and had kids with scum.

Anna's post:

 Honestly, I feel like it’s either this or self-harm. 

[quickjessie]

Anna is going to leave the Christmas doodads up until Joshie comes back to her loving arms.  (Ewww)

[ginger90]

Knowing Anna didn’t post this without permission, I want to know who told her she should/could, and why they did.

Edited February 4, 2022 by ginger90

[Jeanne222]

Could Anna have had a breakdown over all of this Josh mess?

So much was happening right after she gave birth and heaven only knows what she knows and is dealing with. 

[jcbrown]

32 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Knowing Anna didn’t post this without permission, I want to know who told her she should/could, and why they did.

Couldn't post it because of patriarchal bullshittery or because of legal concerns?

[libgirl2]

I can't even after that. 

[Trillium]

These poor kids. They are going to grow up with a POS dad who’s in prison and mother who’s primary focus is on vindication for said POS. 

[Rabbittron]

10 hours ago, quickjessie said:

Anna is going to leave the Christmas doodads up until Joshie comes back to her loving arms.  (Ewww)

Sounds familiar to me because I have a cat who is so obsessed and in love with the Christmas tree that I keep it up all year round for her.

[GeeGolly]

In 13 hours Anna received almost 2000 likes on her post. 2000 other folks think the Felon is innocent. I totally get why Anna is stuck with that thought, but I fail to understand why others are. And having 2000 folks indirectly supporting her thought of innocence, is not going to help Anna reach reality anytime soon.

[Jeeves]

10 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Knowing Anna didn’t post this without permission, I want to know who told her she should/could, and why they did.

 

10 hours ago, jcbrown said:

Couldn't post it because of patriarchal bullshittery or because of legal concerns?

She posted a link to a motion that FF's lawyers filed in court. It's a matter of public record. In terms of what's legal, she doesn't need anyone's "permission" to post it. 

[lascuba]

11 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Knowing Anna didn’t post this without permission, I want to know who told her she should/could, and why they did.

Anna has never been shy with her opinions. On the contrary, she always been loud and obnoxious in her wrongness. I don't doubt that post is all her.

[Churchhoney]

14 hours ago, auntieminem said:

Anna posted on instagram Not sure why except to say he is innocent.  She links to the motion for acquittal or new trial.  Poor Anna, she is as dumb as she seems.  I wonder if she is the only one who still thinks he didn't do it. 

To be the "role model" Christian cultist her co-religionists proclaim her, Anna had to convince herself from the time she was a teenager -- and keep believing -- that two sets of the "godliest parents" on Earth AND God Himself GAVE HER JOSH. Picked her out to be the wife of this holy leader. She's talked adn talked about this at church and IBLP gatherings for her entire adult life, I think. 

Her whole sense of the world -- which includes her being the perfect mother to seven children with this golden man -- is based on the idea that SHE followed Christ's way perfectly by not dating and trying not even to talk about boys but waiting for God himself to reward her with the golden boy she secretly had her eye on.....This isn't just a delusion but a huge delusion on which her whole ability to function in life depends, I expect. She has a vision of her life as being super-special because of all this and it gives her that aura of surety and arrogance that she often seems to give off.. 

To give up her belief that Josh is her reward direct from God wouldn't be just to see truths about Josh but to have her faith in everything, including God, to be shaken to its foundations. And these people, by design, have nothing but the God they've invented. That would be a core-threatening psychic event that I'm sure she couldn't bear to entertain even in the tiniest corner of her mind. Horrifying. And she'll either keep this delusion going in whatever mad ways she can until death or she'll just psychologically disintegrate, would be my bet. .... I think she'll keep it going. Ever more intensely, I expect. 

Those poor children. 

 

Edited February 4, 2022 by Churchhoney

[skatelady]

7 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

To give up her belief that Josh is her reward direct from God wouldn't be just to see truths about Josh but to have her faith in everything, including God, to be shaken to its foundations. And these people, by design, have nothing but the God they've invented. That would be a core-threatening psychic event that I'm sure she couldn't bear to entertain even in the tiniest corner of her mind. Horrifying. And she'll either keep this delusion going in whatever mad ways she can until death or she'll just psychologically disintegrate, would be my bet. .... I think she'll keep it going. Ever more intensely, I expect. 

Those poor children. 

 

To be honest, it's probably best that she continues with her delusion - for her own mental health, and for her children's. Wouldn't it be easier on the children to be told that their father was wrongfully imprisoned than to be told what he ACTUALLY DID???

[Churchhoney]

3 minutes ago, skatelady said:

To be honest, it's probably best that she continues with her delusion - for her own mental health, and for her children's. Wouldn't it be easier on the children to be told that their father was wrongfully imprisoned than to be told what he ACTUALLY DID???

Well, I do see your point. But in the long run, I don't know that basing your life on a very big lie that your parents told you makes for a healthy adulthood.

One way or another, these kids will have a rough time, certainly.  

[madpsych78]

I've read and heard that even Boob and Michelle - privately - believe that Josh is guilty. It is only Anna who firmly believes he is innocent. And I believe that the Austin/Anna feud is real, and that Austin and Joy didn't attend the Xmas party because of Anna, and maybe Boob (I don't think there are any issues with Michelle and believe Austin and Joy are on good terms with her).

 

 

[SusanM]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

In 13 hours Anna received almost 2000 likes on her post. 2000 other folks think the Felon is innocent. I totally get why Anna is stuck with that thought, but I fail to understand why others are. And having 2000 folks indirectly supporting her thought of innocence, is not going to help Anna reach reality anytime soon.

Sadly if this pandemic has taught me nothing else it has taught me how many gullible, delusional people are out there. The Duggars have always had their supporters and let us also not forget how many serial killers sat in prison getting love letters.  It's creepy.

[SMama]

Anna is setting herself up for a lot of discord with the members of the family that is literally the hand that feeds her and her seven children. J&A, J&D, and J&J posted their agreement of the FF’s just conviction. That is going to cause tension. J&D do not partake in events at the TTH. J&J live in CA, and that distance is a blessing to them. Joy and Austin are going to be in a difficult position at any family gatherings. I wonder how JB and Michelle are going to navigate this minefield.

[LilJen]

17 hours ago, auntieminem said:

Anna posted on instagram Not sure why except to say he is innocent.  She links to the motion for acquittal or new trial.  Poor Anna, she is as dumb as she seems.  I wonder if she is the only one who still thinks he didn't do it. 

Bio says “happily married and have six beautiful children!” So… which of the children is ugly? 😀

[Cinnabon]

5 hours ago, Trillium said:

These poor kids. They are going to grow up with a POS dad who’s in prison and mother who’s primary focus is on vindication for said POS. 

And when they find out the details of what Josh downloaded (and they will, even if years from now), they will have to come to terms with their mom not protecting them. That’s often the hardest thing to deal with .

4 hours ago, lascuba said:

Anna has never been shy with her opinions. On the contrary, she always been loud and obnoxious in her wrongness. I don't doubt that post is all her.

Loud, obnoxious, judgmental, and hateful. 

[Cinnabon]

4 hours ago, skatelady said:

To be honest, it's probably best that she continues with her delusion - for her own mental health, and for her children's. Wouldn't it be easier on the children to be told that their father was wrongfully imprisoned than to be told what he ACTUALLY DID???

They’re going to find out one day (maybe many years from now) exactly what he did, and might resent Anna even more than Josh. 

[laurakaye]

4 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

To be the "role model" Christian cultist her co-religionists proclaim her, Anna had to convince herself from the time she was a teenager -- and keep believing -- that two sets of the "godliest parents" on Earth AND God Himself GAVE HER JOSH. Picked her out to be the wife of this holy leader. 

Who, exactly, was Josh supposed to become - the next Gothard?  I knew he was the Duggar Golden Boy and blah de blah blah, but I guess I didn't realize the height of the pedestal upon which he parked his ample keister all those years.  Who did Blob and Meech and Anna's parents tell her she was marrying?  Josh Duggar, the next Crown Prince of Fundyism?  Even if they told her she was marrying the next Top Fry Cook at the Tontitown Burger King, she got sold a huge bill of goods.

Dumb question probably, but do we think Anna's parents lose any sleep over the fact that they pushed her into marrying this piece of scum?  Or are they as blind as Anna?  I think it's one thing for Anna to be blinded by what she thought was love, but if her parents had Clue One about the real perv behind the smug face, and they didn't protect her, then I don't even know who I hate the most in this entire depraved saga.

Edited February 4, 2022 by laurakaye

[Teriacky]

Both Anna and her sister Priscilla appear to be a tad… slow. I wonder if this is the case with their siblings? 
I hope her family regrets her marriage to Josh. Of course they also have a child married to a Rodrigues, so who knows?

[Westiepeach]

Anna’s parents are probably more concerned about how to avoid the Leech That Is JillRod more than they worry about who Anna married and procreated with.

[madpsych78]

1 hour ago, Teriacky said:

Both Anna and her sister Priscilla appear to be a tad… slow. I wonder if this is the case with their siblings? 
I hope her family regrets her marriage to Josh. Of course they also have a child married to a Rodrigues, so who knows?

Priscilla strikes me as being 100% Mike's daughter - right down to the voice. She bears no resemblance to Suzette (Nathan, on the other hand, is all Suzette).  I do think Priscilla may be a little slow based on the content of what she says, but I've never gotten that vibe with Anna. 

And, I bet the Keller parents do not regret all of the marriages - I'm sure Pecan Thief was a good investment in their world.

[Rootbeer]

37 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

Who, exactly, was Josh supposed to become - the next Gothard?  I knew he was the Duggar Golden Boy and blah de blah blah, but I guess I didn't realize the height of the pedestal upon which he parked his ample keister all those years.  Who did Blob and Meech and Anna's parents tell her she was marrying?  Josh Duggar, the next Crown Prince of Fundyism?  Even if they told her she was marrying the next Top Fry Cook at the Tontitown Burger King, she got sold a huge bill of goods.

Dumb question probably, but do we think Anna's parents lose any sleep over the fact that they pushed her into marrying this piece of scum?  Or are they as blind as Anna?  I think it's one thing for Anna to be blinded by what she thought was love, but if her parents had Clue One about the real perv behind the smug face, and they didn't protect her, then I don't even know who I hate the most in this entire depraved saga.

Short answer: JB and Michelle did indeed tout Josh as being an exceptional leader who was going to do great things.  Multiple people who knew them from church or various Gothard activities have said that that was the narrative from the time Josh was small: that he was special and would end up at the top of the fundie pyramid.

[Westiepeach]

19 minutes ago, Rootbeer said:

Short answer: JB and Michelle did indeed tout Josh as being an exceptional leader who was going to do great things.  Multiple people who knew them from church or various Gothard activities have said that that was the narrative from the time Josh was small: that he was special and would end up at the top of the fundie pyramid.

Well, he sure is special, all right...

[SusanM]

22 minutes ago, Rootbeer said:

Short answer: JB and Michelle did indeed tout Josh as being an exceptional leader who was going to do great things.  Multiple people who knew them from church or various Gothard activities have said that that was the narrative from the time Josh was small: that he was special and would end up at the top of the fundie pyramid.

It could still happen.  He could rise to the top of the prison pyramid.  With those fabulous people skills of his he's got it made.

[GeeGolly]

Lookey here - there's an app for Anna.

[GeeGolly]

Instead of your baby is the size of a melon, I wonder if the app includes things like your Felon has earned a degree, or your Felon now has laundry duty. 👤🤣

[Cinnabon]

35 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Lookey here - there's an app for Anna.

And for her car - plus 2 more.

[Almost 3000]

1 hour ago, Teriacky said:

Both Anna and her sister Priscilla appear to be a tad… slow. I wonder if this is the case with their siblings? 
I hope her family regrets her marriage to Josh. Of course they also have a child married to a Rodrigues, so who knows?

Somewhere in the vast posting at FJ I remember something about Priscilla being a difficult birth. Maybe lack of oxygen. I think Anna is just fine and would have probably done well with better advantages. Priscilla, who knows...

Edited February 4, 2022 by Almost 3000

[Cinnabon]

23 minutes ago, Almost 3000 said:

Somewhere in the vast posting at FJ I remember something about Priscilla being a difficult birth. Maybe lack of oxygen. I think Anna is just fine and would have probably done well with better advantages. Priscilla, who knows...

I hope David is also involved in homeschooling their kids, because even he must see that Priscilla alone isn’t capable of much.

[merylinkid]

6 hours ago, skatelady said:

To be honest, it's probably best that she continues with her delusion - for her own mental health, and for her children's. Wouldn't it be easier on the children to be told that their father was wrongfully imprisoned than to be told what he ACTUALLY DID???

Not really.   Because the kids WILL find out the truth somehow.  Then they will resent their mother for lying to them.   Which will cause more issues.   Now should she tell them the whole truth and nothing but the truth right now?   Not sure they are all old enough to absorb it.   But you can start with little truths.   Daddy did something illegal (not bad or the kids will think if they make a mistake the same thing will happen to them) and has to go away for a while.   Then as they get older, you explain more.   I mean NORMAL people would consult a therapist for how to break it to their kids that daddy is going to jail.   But these people won't go to a therapist for help.   

[GeeGolly]

There's no saying the Felon's kids will believe he is guilty of the crimes he was convicted of. They are going to want him to be innocent too, so even if they happen upon an article or two, I don't see any reason they'd change their minds.

[Cinnabon]

14 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

There's no saying the Felon's kids will believe he is guilty of the crimes he was convicted of. They are going to want him to be innocent too, so even if they happen upon an article or two, I don't see any reason they'd change their minds.

I think they might be shocked (years down the line) when they become aware of the ages of the children in some of the videos. Probably all 7 won’t believe it, but one or 2 will.

[ozziemom]

I’m guessing the M kids are well on the way to full fledge Fundie. They are probably told that their dad is busy saving people and they most likely are taught to pray for him to save these poor souls. If there is any questions, they are not answered in a truthful way and whoever asked the question is given a Bible passage to memorize or write out.