Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[hathorlive]

On 1/21/2022 at 8:38 PM, merylinkid said:

Don't be silly.   The phone call was to the router to trigger it to download the CSA.   Josh was in no way involved.   It was alllllllll done remotely, while he just HAPPENED to be sitting at the computer with the Linux partition.   Oh wait, they created the Linux partition remotely too.   So Josh had NO IDEA his computer had a Linux partition because he was home schooled so he was too dumb to know stuff like that.

Router is wicked smart!!!  You know, in five years, we'll be making router jokes and NO one will understand it all.  Hell, I was moving furniture around in my condo and my friend was talking about putting the router in the corner and I said "nobody puts router in the corner".  No one else thought it was funny.

[Zella]

14 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

Router is wicked smart!!!  You know, in five years, we'll be making router jokes and NO one will understand it all.  Hell, I was moving furniture around in my condo and my friend was talking about putting the router in the corner and I said "nobody puts router in the corner".  No one else thought it was funny.

They didn't even appreciate the Dirty Dancing reference? 

[hathorlive]

1 minute ago, Zella said:

They didn't even appreciate the Dirty Dancing reference? 

Nada.  I think the actual reply was "where else would you want to put the router?"  It's hard being the funniest person in a room.  Side note: the router is in the corner.

[Zella]

Just now, hathorlive said:

Nada.  I think the actual reply was "where else would you want to put the router?"  It's hard being the funniest person in a room.  Side note: the router is in the corner.

This obviously calls for lifting the router high in the air as if you were Johnny practicing lifts with Baby herself while transporting it into the corner. 

[hathorlive]

31 minutes ago, Zella said:

This obviously calls for lifting the router high in the air as if you were Johnny practicing lifts with Baby herself while transporting it into the corner. 

These DD jokes never get old. Router deserves the glory moment.  I need to make a white tulle skirt to put around Router.

Edited January 23, 2022 by hathorlive

[sagittarius sue]

2 hours ago, hathorlive said:

These DD jokes never get old. Router deserves the glory moment.  I need to make a white tulle skirt to put around Router.

I even found it mentioned on a blog at an IT site.   https://invisionkc.com/dear-remote-it-support-why-is-my-wifi-so-slow/

Nobody puts router in the corner

Your router must have room to shine and let its WiFi beams dance in every direction.

[Cinnabon]

Just add a couple more kids .

Edited January 23, 2022 by Cinnabon

[merylinkid]

10 hours ago, hathorlive said:

.  I would love for the judge to say that the numerous LLC's bears looking into and he needs a forensic account to take a look.  That would induce heart failure in JB.  I have no doubt his finances are as dirty as they come.

Oh I would love that.   Just absolutely love them to at least find out how everything was moved to Anna's name in order to avoid any fines/civil judgments against Josh.

 

10 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I doubt the judge has any knowledge of JB's LLCs, nor does he have any jurisdiction over JB's finances. Josh committed the crimes and he hasn't owned anything since the Ashley Madison scandal.

If they think he is hiding assets to avoid paying fines/court costs then yes they do.   They can go digging around ALL they want.  Transferring assets from your name to others in a non-arms length transaction in order to avoid fines is a HUGE NO-NO.  

[GeeGolly]

Just now, merylinkid said:

If they think he is hiding assets to avoid paying fines/court costs then yes they do.   They can go digging around ALL they want.  Transferring assets from your name to others in a non-arms length transaction in order to avoid fines is a HUGE NO-NO.  

Josh hasn't owned anything since 2015/16. 3 or 4 years before the raid, so that doesn't apply here. 

[hathorlive]

11 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Josh hasn't owned anything since 2015/16. 3 or 4 years before the raid, so that doesn't apply here. 

But they can argue that Josh moved assets at that time to avoid losing them in the earlier lawsuit concerning the property he "owned/stole".  And many of them had assets moved to Anna in the past two years, I think.  JB better hope that the Amazon group doesn't go down this rabbit hole. 

[Quilt Fairy]

The Amazon group?

 

IIRC, Travis Story was diddling around before he finally produced the timesheets for the carlot that the prosecution wanted.  When the prosecutors finally did get the paperwork, there were rumors (probably from an unreliable source) that what they had might require a referral to another group, like a forensic accounting team.  I've not heard anything since then.

[Jeeves]

39 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

The Amazon group?

I think that was a reference to the production company making  the Amazon Prime documentary about IBLP that's due to drop late this year.

[cereality]

So I go on and off following them - is there a sentencing date yet? Or has it happened? Sentencing is the fun part of trials - as a fed atty - bc you’re not debating computer forensics but rather your getting letters/testimony re what a great guy Joshie is or isn’t.

Also any truth to the rumors on the Bates Reddit that Anna STILL doesn’t believe it was her dear husband and is accusing anyone who came into the dealership/communicated with the dealership as being the one who downloaded CP - including Carlin/Evan?! There were texts from Evan that went into evidence at Josh’s trial apparently - limited to car questions and nothing else. Reddit is speculating that this caused a blowup btwn Anna and Austin (as his wife and Carlin are besties), which would kind of explain why Austin sat by himself the entire trial as opposed to near Anna to “support” her like Derick.

[Jeeves]

@cereality - no sentencing hearing date yet. I just now looked at the case docket on Court Listener. The latest entry was the filing of defense motion for new trial/acquittal on the 19th. 

We were discussing upthread the Anna/Carlin rumor. I don't think anybody knows for sure if it's true. I wouldn't be surprised if Anna's still thrashing around looking for someone to blame for the situation, which of course she thinks is not at all the fault of her [At Least I Have A] husband™.  

[iwantcookies]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10436175/Josh-Duggars-child-porn-lair-revealed-time.html
 

Pics of Josh’s filthy office. What a slob.

[merylinkid]

Yet, the defense would have us believe that place was grand central station with people coming in and out all the time and plenty of space for someone to secretly download child porn was the Felon was working elsewhere in the office.

[crazy8s]

just this pic alone has so much to snark about. the sign outside says no cash or keys kept onsite yet here it seems a bag of keys has been dumped on the desk. there is what appears to be a wall safe of some sort going out under a window. WTH it is a shed. anyone would just cut through the wall and take the thing. technically impaired Joshua has several cameras, which apparently the defense didn't try to use video to show anyone else there. slime ball felon was also possibly selling crap GWC car warranties (brochures shown) random roll of EBAY package tape. then just the amount of garbage. yikes

router is up in the window getting some sun though.😀

[libgirl2]

20 hours ago, iwantcookies said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10436175/Josh-Duggars-child-porn-lair-revealed-time.html
 

Pics of Josh’s filthy office. What a slob.

Anna wasn't there to pick up after him 

[iwantcookies]

21 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

Anna wasn't there to pick up after him 

 

[MargeGunderson]

That is exactly how I expect the office at a sketchy car lot to look.

[Insert Username]

Wait, so he is claiming that he never opened the files so he didn’t know that they were CSAM. 1) why wouldn’t his attorney have brought that up in the trial;  2) didn’t one of the prosecution witnesses say that at least one of the files in the batch had been opened multiple times?; and 3) Don’t you have to know what these files are and where to find them (i.e. you can’t accidentally stumble across them on “the dark web”)

 

 

 

 

[Rootbeer]

3 minutes ago, Insert Username said:

Wait, so he is claiming that he never opened the files so he didn’t know that they were CSAM. 1) why wouldn’t his attorney have brought that up in the trial;  2) didn’t one of the prosecution witnesses say that at least one of the files in the batch had been opened multiple times?; and 3) Don’t you have to know what these files are and where to find them (i.e. you can’t accidentally stumble across them on “the dark web”)

 

 

 

 

Yes to all of that.  Also, the felony charges are for downloading the files, the feds don't have to prove that anyone watched them; it's the very act of downloading them that is a crime.

[iwantcookies]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10440253/Josh-Duggar-heard-stumbling-words-interview-feds.html

[Quilt Fairy]

I don't know if I want to listen to that. 

[irisheyes]

1 hour ago, Insert Username said:

Wait, so he is claiming that he never opened the files so he didn’t know that they were CSAM. 1) why wouldn’t his attorney have brought that up in the trial;  2) didn’t one of the prosecution witnesses say that at least one of the files in the batch had been opened multiple times?; and 3) Don’t you have to know what these files are and where to find them (i.e. you can’t accidentally stumble across them on “the dark web”)

 

 

 

 

This is the dumbest thing ever. So, his lawyers are arguing that Josh went on the dark web (which, I assuming, you have to LOOK for), then randomly downloaded files without even checking to see what they were about (on the DARK web). Oh, and he had installed a partition to ensure that the surveillance software installed on his computer wouldn’t notice that he was going to the dark web to download files he had absolutely no intention of viewing. 
OMG, these people are so stupid. 🤦‍♀️

[galaxygirl76]

4 minutes ago, irisheyes said:

This is the dumbest thing ever. So, his lawyers are arguing that Josh went on the dark web (which, I assuming, you have to LOOK for), then randomly downloaded files without even checking to see what they were about (on the DARK web). Oh, and he had installed a partition to ensure that the surveillance software installed on his computer wouldn’t notice that he was going to the dark web to download files he had absolutely no intention of viewing. 
OMG, these people are so stupid. 🤦‍♀️

Well he was homeschooled, which according to his lawyers means he's pretty fucking dumb so that sounds right. 

[Zella]

1 minute ago, galaxygirl76 said:

Well he was homeschooled, which according to his lawyers means he's pretty fucking dumb so that sounds right. 

Not just homeschooled, but "homeschooled by Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar." They actually said that in court as part of his defense. I crack up laughing every time I think about it. It's like a scenario in a bad sitcom, but it happened in a federal courtroom. 

Edited January 26, 2022 by Zella

[Cinnabon]

A car lot with no keys???

[Quilt Fairy]

Does anyone know when the trial transcripts are going to be available?  I feel like we should do a thing like Rachel Maddow does when she reads transcripts out loud on her show. 

[Zella]

4 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Does anyone know when the trial transcripts are going to be available?  I feel like we should do a thing like Rachel Maddow does when she reads transcripts out loud on her show. 

I personally think I'm going to skip them. My understanding is that for the purposes of having it on record, the CSAM was described rather graphically before it was shown to the court. I don't want to read that myself. 

Edited January 26, 2022 by Zella

[Quilt Fairy]

30 minutes ago, Zella said:

My understanding is that for the purposes of having it on record, the CSAM was described rather graphically before it was shown to the court.

Ah.  In that case, would the transcripts even be available to the public?  

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Ah.  In that case, would the transcripts even be available to the public?  

I would think so, though there may be a process that involves ordering them. One of our lawyers should probably know! 

[Cinnabon]

2 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Ah.  In that case, would the transcripts even be available to the public?  

You can find descriptions of it on Wikipedia and other sites right now. It’s not illegal to describe it. Cowards Anna and Michelle are the ones who really need to hear it, imo.

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, Cinnabon said:

A car lot with no keys???

You know how convenience stores have signs saying, safe in use, cashier has no more than $100 or signs at other places saying under 24 hour surveillance? Keys are cars at car lots. After hour thieves hit a treasure trove if they have access to the keys. Most dealerships either lock them in a safe or take them home. I'm guessing the sign is to warn off after hour thieves.

[Rabbittron]

I am so surprised that he never tried to say that his kids might have downloaded the very bad material. 

[Westiepeach]

11 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

I am so surprised that he never tried to say that his kids might have downloaded the very bad material. 

That would have been low, even for him.

[crazy8s]

36 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

You know how convenience stores have signs saying, safe in use, cashier has no more than $100 or signs at other places saying under 24 hour surveillance? Keys are cars at car lots. After hour thieves hit a treasure trove if they have access to the keys. Most dealerships either lock them in a safe or take them home. I'm guessing the sign is to warn off after hour thieves.

i do think i stated it wrong -instead of no keys or cash...,  i think the sign said "no keys or titles kept on the premises". that is fairly common in our area for smaller used cars places. It is to deter thieves that bring a team and steal a bunch of cars and then also have the titles to sell the vehicles.

it just made me laugh the keys were all just dumped in a heap on the desk.

[Zella]

Just now, crazy8s said:

it just made me laugh the keys were all just dumped in a heap on the desk.

They run a real tight ship at Wholesale Motorcars, doncha know. 🙃

[libgirl2]

15 minutes ago, Zella said:

They run a real tight ship at Wholesale Motorcars, doncha know. 🙃

What a s---show. 

[Jeeves]

57 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

What a s---show. 

IIRC the Felon's defense team argued I think in pretrial motions, that the computer was in a BUSINESS where the PUBLIC could come and go, not like a PRIVATE SPACE such as a room in a home. Yeah, I'm sure that tiny shed was just bustling with people wandering in and out, so that just anybody off the street could sit down and use that computer unobserved. Unobserved because the very busy proprietor of Wholesale. Motorcars would have been busy out on the lot with the enormous inventory of vehicles. /sarcasm

🤣 I'm cracking myself up here trying to imagine all the potential foot traffic "through" that sordid little shack, that could have, aided and abetted by the router, installed a Linux partition and downloaded CSAM, without detection. 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[Miss Fabulous]

9 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

Anna wasn't there to pick up after him 

Or his sisters

[hathorlive]

6 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Does anyone know when the trial transcripts are going to be available?  I feel like we should do a thing like Rachel Maddow does when she reads transcripts out loud on her show. 

I'm on that like a fat cat on cake.  Because fat girls is demoralizing and cats don't care what we think about them.  I really think I could do a good job being the forensics guy.  I do love me some Rachel transcript reading.

[hathorlive]

8 hours ago, Insert Username said:

Wait, so he is claiming that he never opened the files so he didn’t know that they were CSAM. 1) why wouldn’t his attorney have brought that up in the trial;  2) didn’t one of the prosecution witnesses say that at least one of the files in the batch had been opened multiple times?; and 3) Don’t you have to know what these files are and where to find them (i.e. you can’t accidentally stumble across them on “the dark web”)

I won't know until I read the transcript but if Josh clicked on the file, it normally creates access files. In windows it's called LNK files.  Linux has a similar access control file.  So, he doesn't want to get into that on the stand with their expert because she'll be killed by the cross examination.

[Zella]

1 minute ago, hathorlive said:

So, he doesn't want to get into that on the stand with their expert because she'll be killed by the cross examination.

And she was already murdered by words when she testified and was cross-examined. LOL

Edited January 27, 2022 by Zella

[emmawoodhouse]

5 minutes ago, Zella said:

And she was already murdered by words when she testified and was cross-examined. LOL

But...but...but THE ROUTER!!!!!!

[hathorlive]

5 minutes ago, Zella said:

And she was already murdered by words when she testified and was cross-examined. LOL

It will be interesting to see if she's involved in any more high profile cases. I really don't understand why they didn't get her mom to testify.  Tami Loehers can sell BS to anyone.

1 minute ago, emmawoodhouse said:

But...but...but THE ROUTER!!!!!!

Hearing the actual interview with Josh that KJ and WOACB posted, there were ROUTERS.  Like three!  Or was it two!  But it was definitely password protected, but wait it wasn't.  Because he daisy chained them, until he had to reconfigure them.  It's always Router, Router, Router.

[emmawoodhouse]

2 minutes ago, hathorlive said:

It will be interesting to see if she's involved in any more high profile cases. I really don't understand why they didn't get her mom to testify.  Tami Loehers can sell BS to anyone.

Hearing the actual interview with Josh that KJ and WOACB posted, there were ROUTERS.  Like three!  Or was it two!  But it was definitely password protected, but wait it wasn't.  Because he daisy chained them, until he had to reconfigure them.  It's always Router, Router, Router.

Yeah, I listened to Smuggar's questioning. Hilarious stuff. 

[Zella]

Just now, hathorlive said:

It will be interesting to see if she's involved in any more high profile cases. I really don't understand why they didn't get her mom to testify.  Tami Loehers can sell BS to anyone.

One of my neighbors works in our local courthouse, and she once saw one of the local attorneys trying to deal with an extremely annoying client that he very obviously wanted to shove off the nearest cliff, and then after that, every time that client came to court, said lawyer was nowhere to be found but the junior partner in his firm who happens to be a childhood frenemy of mine was with her as her attorney. Senior lawyer obviously got tired of her shit and did some delegating. I suspect something similar happened here and Loehers realized this was a lost cause shitstorm and delegated it. LOL  

[hathorlive]

Just now, emmawoodhouse said:

Yeah, I listened to Smuggar's questioning. Hilarious stuff. 

I find it funny that a tech illiterate home school guy would know how to daisy chain routers to get better coverage. But that Linux is just too hard for our simple guy.  I love the interviewers "we aren't here to force you into a corner".  Uh, yeah you are.  And you did a great job.

[Triple P]

44 minutes ago, Zella said:

One of my neighbors works in our local courthouse, and she once saw one of the local attorneys trying to deal with an extremely annoying client that he very obviously wanted to shove off the nearest cliff, and then after that, every time that client came to court, said lawyer was nowhere to be found but the junior partner in his firm who happens to be a childhood frenemy of mine was with her as her attorney. Senior lawyer obviously got tired of her shit and did some delegating. I suspect something similar happened here and Loehers realized this was a lost cause shitstorm and delegated it. LOL  

My thought was Tami Loehers' hourly rate is possibly 2x more than her daughter's and Jim Bob went with the cheaper option.

Edited January 27, 2022 by Triple P
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