Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Westiepeach]

2 minutes ago, Darknight said:

I wonder how Anna feels. She did everything right. She's fundie, was a virgin, saved her heart, followed Jesus. She was promised this would never happen. Now look what's going on. Josh cheated and molested his siblings. So this whole cult shit doesn't even work. 

And yet all that is Anna’s fault. *smh*

[Darknight]

23 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

There is nothing inherently wrong with hook ups or porn, IMO. Josh just needs to come to terms with the lifestyle he wants and get honest about it. Which of course has little to no chance of actually happening!

I really think once Josh discovered all the things he grew up with wasn't bad he kept doing it. Well watching porn and sex with other women is sinful in Gothard land. It's the woman's fault. He realized it felt good and he didn' burn. Jesus forgave him. Jimchelle blamed Anna and not praying enough. 

 

 

I wonder if he realizes going unprotected me and babies and stds. This is wrong but I would love to see how they'd handle a mistress pregnancy. 

[bigskygirl]

Anna was blamed for the cheating and porn. His sisters were probably blamed for the molestation happening more than once.

[Darknight]

13 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Anna was blamed for the cheating and porn. His sisters were probably blamed for the molestation happening more than once.

You see this shit makes me so angry. Start putting blame where blame is due. 

13 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

Anna was blamed for the cheating and porn. His sisters were probably blamed for the molestation happening more than once.

I really wonder how the girls and Anna cope with sex. For victims it can be hard

[awaken]

Have they outright blamed Anna, or are we assuming so based on what we know of their beliefs and her sticking with him?

[Sew Sumi]

It's clear in the Gothard literature that marital failures are always the wife's fault. Gothard lectured at their wedding, and if he gave the same lecture that he gave at Davey and Pris's wedding, Smuganna were told this personally, from the horse's mouth. 

[andromeda331]

15 hours ago, Zahdii said:

I don't think Josh has seriously tried to seek real help. 

* He was raised as the Golden Child, and even though that's no longer his public role, he might have internalized it to the point where what the heathen public thinks doesn't matter to him in the least. 

* He was raised to think that all problems are solved by prayer.  Prayer might tell him to allow the use of doctors for physical maladies, but for personality defecits, I think praying for forgiveness and expecting forgiveness from everyone else is what he's been taught.  It's certainly the easiest way to get by.

* If Josh were to seek help from a qualified therapist he'd have to talk about things that he'd been taught to never discuss, and he'd have to do some real soul searching and introspection.  That's not easy. 

* He'd then have to examine his motivations and beliefs, and acknowledge the stuff that was wrong, knowing that he might find out he was sold a bill of goods by his parents and religion.  That's not easy. 

* He'd have to try to understand how his actions have hurt others by putting himself in their place.  He'd have to accept blame for what he's done.  That's not easy.

* He'd have to form a plan to move forward.  Realize what was holding him back, like accepting life under his fathers thumb.  He'd have to get a job that he has to work at.  He might have to realize his education sucks and go back to school.  He'd have to tell his wife that he doesn't want any more children.  He'd be encouraged to move to a home where he paid his own rent and utilities.  He'd almost certainly have to tell his parents that their role in his life has to change to supportive parents and not nanny parents.  That's not easy.

* He might even have to really apologize to the people he's hurt, an apology that came from an understanding of his actions and a true desire to make amends.  That's not easy.

None of that is easy.  In fact, it's damned hard, and it would certainly take a very long time to accomplish, but he'd have to work at it.

Josh doesn't do work.  He doesn't think, take blame, or make changes that go against the way he was raised.  Josh sneaks around and gets what he wants on the sly if it doesn't jell with the status quo.  He cries and asks for forgiveness when he's caught, fully expecting the slate to be wiped clean so he can start sneaking around again the instant he's given the smallest bit of leeway. 

Josh is lazy, manipulative, arrogant, and still very much the Golden CHILD.  He won't try to grow up, his parents won't try to push him to grow up, but if they did, TLC would step in and give him a new show:  Josh Duggar is Breaking Free.  Enjoy his madcap adventures as he struggles to be self sufficient, right the wrongs of his past, and learns how to live in a whole new way!

This yes! Thank you. This is why I don't buy Smugger being an addicted or Josh being raised in the wrong environment or anything. He was raised to be the Golden Child. He was treated as one even after he molested his sisters. He spent the ten years on TV completely being treated, acting and believing he was the Golden Child. Held up as an example. He's arrogant, lazy, disgusting piece of crap. He's not sorry about what he did. He probably still doesn't think he did anything wrong. Why would he? His parents covered up his molesting and aside from a few months away from home nothing in his life changed. In fact his life got better. He got handed a wife, money, fame, he got handed a job in DC.  He was allowed to call out other people as molesters. If your sorry about molesting your sisters. You don't become more smug, you don't call other people out as molesters and you don't make gross comments about your sisters first kiss. He's never once acted like he's sorry for anything he's done. Because he's not.                          

[mynextmistake]

I don’t think Josh gives two shits about how he’s affecting Anna and the kids because I don’t think he really wants Anna and the kids. Marriage and unlimited sex were probably novel at first, and maybe he did initially care for Anna, but I don’t think he ever wanted children as anything other than convenient props for his planned career in conservative politics and even then I think he’d have been happy stopping at two or three. It must have been pretty unsettling when it dawned on him (slowly, because he’s none too bright) that Anna’s only real ambition in life was to have as many children as possible and it was very likely he was going to end up as the father of a horde numbering in the double-digits. I mean, he did what he did because he’s an asshole, but part of me wonders if he wasn’t unconsciously hoping Anna would discover his “affairs” and either leave him or stop sleeping with him, putting an end to the baby train. 

[MargeGunderson]

3 hours ago, mynextmistake said:

 I mean, he did what he did because he’s an asshole, but part of me wonders if he wasn’t unconsciously hoping Anna would discover his “affairs” and either leave him or stop sleeping with him, putting an end to the baby train. 

Which makes him a coward too, because there was nothing stopping him from doing either of those things. Instead he lets his wife (and Satan) take the blame for his behavior. At some point he should take responsibility for his actions but I don't see that happening any time soon. 

[Scarlett45]

4 hours ago, andromeda331 said:

This yes! Thank you. This is why I don't buy Smugger being an addicted or Josh being raised in the wrong environment or anything. He was raised to be the Golden Child. He was treated as one even after he molested his sisters. He spent the ten years on TV completely being treated, acting and believing he was the Golden Child. Held up as an example. He's arrogant, lazy, disgusting piece of crap. He's not sorry about what he did. He probably still doesn't think he did anything wrong. Why would he? His parents covered up his molesting and aside from a few months away from home nothing in his life changed. In fact his life got better. He got handed a wife, money, fame, he got handed a job in DC.  He was allowed to call out other people as molesters. If your sorry about molesting your sisters. You don't become more smug, you don't call other people out as molesters and you don't make gross comments about your sisters first kiss. He's never once acted like he's sorry for anything he's done. Because he's not.                          

No Josh isn’t sorry. I don’t think Josh hates Anna or the M kids (humans are more complex than that), nor do I think that Josh blames Anna for the porn/prositutes etc. I don’t even think JB/Michelle blame Anna, they know their son is twisted and a fuck up, but because she’s his wife she’s supposed to deal.

Josh doesn’t have a low IQ- although he was dumb enough to get caught, he knows how awful being a hypocrite LOOKS! He would’ve wanted to cheat, look at porn etc no matter who his wife was and he knows it. He may have a shallow understanding that he hurt Anna and that was NOT his intention, but like a lot of entitled men he doesn’t care about a woman’s (aka a lesser beings pain), so long as he gets what he wants. Josh molested his sisters for the same reason- he wanted something damn how it affected another person. Even if the other person was his SISTER who never hurt a fly.

It’s an exaggerated example of how sex is seen as something men are entitled to from women. 

Edited January 23, 2018 by Scarlett45

[Jynnan tonnix]

43 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

No Josh isn’t sorry. I don’t think Josh hates Anna or the M kids (humans are more complex than that), nor do I think that Josh blames Anna for the porn/prositutes etc. I don’t even think JB/Michelle blame Anna, they know their son is twisted and a fuck up, but because she’s his wife she’s supposed to deal.

Josh doesn’t have a low IQ- although he was dumb enough to get caught, he knows how awful being a hypocrite LOOKS! He would’ve wanted to cheat, look at porn etc no matter who his wife was and he knows it. He may have a shallow understanding that he hurt Anna and that was his intention, but like a lot of entitled men he doesn’t care about a woman’s (aka a lesser beings pain), so long as he gets what he wants. Josh molested his sisters for the same reason- he wanted something damn how it affected another person. Even if the other person was his SISTER who never hurt a fly.

It’s an exaggerated example of how sex is seen as something men are entitled to from women. 

I suspect that he actually thinks that he repented and was therefore forgiven. I don't think the kids were allowed enough emotions to really learn what their feelings meant. They were taught that they are all miserable sinners, so probably lived in a state of "repentance" more often than not. When Josh got caught, he felt even worse than usual, but likely read it as super repentance in his own mind, What else could it be? That probably led to a pattern of thinking that if he felt bad it meant he was sorry, and therefore forgiven. Not that I don't think he's an entitled POS, but I think he really is too shallow to really have much other than a lack of impulse control behind his actions. Which, since all humans are born sinners is just natural in his mind. But it's all OK because Jesus.

Edited January 23, 2018 by Jynnan tonnix

[bigskygirl]

On my opinion, what Josh did to his sisters would not be considered sex. It comes down to control. Molesters want the control over their victims, and in a way, Josh did have control over his four sisters at one time (and sadly he still does have some type of control over them.) His idiot parents did nothing to stop him from hurting his own sisters. He has not learned from what he did. I am not saying he is molesting anyone right now, but he did not get the help he desperately needs, so now Anna and the kids are paying the price for it.

[louannems]

3 hours ago, MargeGunderson said:

Which makes him a coward too, because there was nothing stopping him from doing either of those things. Instead he lets his wife (and Satan) take the blame for his behavior. At some point he should take responsibility for his actions but I don't see that happening any time soon. 

If Josh had any smarts at all, he would have had a vasectomy long ago.  It's obvious from his actions that he never believed in all that quiverful crap.  And knowing his wife was only interested in competing with Michelle in making more and more babies, a vasectomy should have been his first choice.

[PikaScrewChu]

21 minutes ago, louannems said:

If Josh had any smarts at all, he would have had a vasectomy long ago.  It's obvious from his actions that he never believed in all that quiverful crap.  And knowing his wife was only interested in competing with Michelle in making more and more babies, a vasectomy should have been his first choice.

Some surgeons will not give consent to a vasectomy unless they have the consent of the wife now. Yes in their twisted belief system Anna would have to bow down to her husband's wishes. I doubt Josh has health insurance that would cover the full procedure though. JB and Michelle would have to foot some of the money towards that and I doubt they would consent to the money being used for that purpose.

Josh could hide money away but I doubt he's that smart to think long term without spending all the money on Chik-Fil-A. He certainly didn't realize the FRC job would eventually end. Josh and Anna were spending money like no tomorrow while Josh was working in DC.

[SMama]

There’s always Planned Parenthood, he was able to hide hookers and porn, he could have done the same with a vasectomy. Of course that had to happen before Jesus jail.

Edited January 23, 2018 by SMama
Jokers and hookers are not the same.

[Mollie]

Here's a description of Josh's personality:

1.   Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from other people

2.   Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.

3.   Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions

4.   Needing continual admiration from others

5.   Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others

6.   Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain

7.   Unwilling to empathize with the feelings, wishes, and needs of other people

8.   Intensely envious of others, and the belief that others are equally envious of them

9.   Pompous and arrogant demeanor

Those are also the traits of pathological narcissism.  Narcissism is considered heritable and there is often a family history of the disorder.  According to experts, "In some people, pathological narcissism may develop from an impaired attachment to their primary caregivers, usually their parents. This can result in the child's perception of himself/herself as unimportant and unconnected to others. The child typically comes to believe they have some personality defect that makes them unvalued and unwanted. Insensitive, over-controlling parenting, are believed to be contributing factors." 

Some of the parenting traits that may lead to narcissism in their children are:

·         Excessive praise for good behaviors or excessive criticism for bad behaviors in childhood.

·         Overindulgence and overvaluation by parents, other family members, or peers.

·         Severe emotional abuse in childhood.

·         Unpredictable or unreliable care giving from parents.

·         Learning manipulative behaviors from parents or peers.

·         Valued by parents as a means to regulate their own self-esteem.

[bigskygirl]

Wow! @Mollie you have hit it right on the nail especially the traits of pathological narcissism. And the scary part is the description of Josh's personality could cover JB, Michelle, Derick, and in some cases Jeremy.

[Arwen Evenstar]

@Mollie, I want to like this soooo many times. Malignant narcissism seems rather  en vogue with politicians, the uber wealthy, sports and celebrities. I’ve even met doctors and engineers that fall into this description.  Michelle and Boob think their shit doesn’t stink and Joshley was their favorite. 

[jcbrown]

14 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

It's clear in the Gothard literature that marital failures are always the wife's fault. Gothard lectured at their wedding, and if he gave the same lecture that he gave at Davey and Pris's wedding, Smuganna were told this personally, from the horse's mouth. 

Mouth is not the part of a horse that I associate with Gothard. Horse's ass, more like.

[PikaScrewChu]

2 hours ago, SMama said:

There’s always Planned Parenthood, he was able to hide hookers and porn, he could have done the same with a vasectomy. Of course that had to happen before Jesus jail.

Yeah. I have a feeling Josh is going to be sent to Jesus Jail frequently now. Which will impede any chance at getting a procedure.

I can only imagine the fits that JB and Michelle would have if Josh decided to visit a Planned Parenthood. I have a feeling that's a worse sin in their little bubble than watching porn and having sex with prostitutes.

[Marigold]

@Mollie

excellent job with that post. 

Does it have Josh's picture next to the diagnosis??? 

[Nysha]

The Planned Parenthood in my area will give any man a vasectomy for $800. I can't imagine it would cost much more in Arkansas.

[bigskygirl]

Maybe we can start a gofundme page for Josh to get snip, snip.

Edited January 23, 2018 by bigskygirl

[EVS]

7 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

On my opinion, what Josh did to his sisters would not be considered sex. It comes down to control. Molesters want the control over their victims, and in a way, Josh did have control over his four sisters at one time (and sadly he still does have some type of control over them.) His idiot parents did nothing to stop him from hurting his own sisters. He has not learned from what he did. I am not saying he is molesting anyone right now, but he did not get the help he desperately needs, so now Anna and the kids are paying the price for it.

Sadly, according to Jocelyn Zichterman, who wrote I Fired God, using molestation or rape to demonstrate male power, control and superiority over female family members is pretty common behavior in IFB families. 

Edited January 24, 2018 by EVS
Correction: it was IFB, not IBLF

[duggarshow]

21 hours ago, awaken said:

Have they outright blamed Anna, or are we assuming so based on what we know of their beliefs and her sticking with him?

I was just going to ask this same question because I've seen many posts and comments (here and in other places online) where others say Anna has been saddled with the blame, but I've never seen anything from a Duggar family member making that same allegation.

[SMama]

No one ever heard a Duggar family member state Volderjosh molested four of his sisters and a family friend ...

The timing of Mullet’s reposting about being not only available, but joyfully available was rather suspect if not plain insulting.

Add that to that pervert’s (Gothard) teachings and is not such a far fetched conjecture. Let’s not even consider a grown ass woman with four children sleeping in a dorm room as thought she’s doing penance.

@Sew Sumi beat me to it and said it better. I do not think it’s her fault, but I don’t follow the teachings of a  pervert.

Edited January 24, 2018 by SMama

[Sew Sumi]

@duggarfan, according to Gothardism, if the husband is struggling in a marriage, it's the wife's fault. Watch the Waller wedding in its unedited entirety to hear Gothard's speech on this. He also spoke at Smuggar's wedding, so I am sure they got the same lecture. So yeah, while it may not have been said outright, it was certainly implied that Anna was to "blame" for Smuggar's indescretions. 

FWIW, I don't think anyone here agrees with that assessment. 

Edited January 24, 2018 by Sew Sumi
post snuck in between the one I was responding to. Too late to quote.

[Catfin]

On 1/23/2018 at 5:44 PM, Nysha said:

The Planned Parenthood in my area will give any man a vasectomy for $800. I can't imagine it would cost much more in Arkansas.

I'd kick in$25 toward a gift certificate at the Fayetteville or Little Rock PP for the sake of Josh's kids. 

[MORGANH]

On 1/23/2018 at 10:32 AM, Mollie said:

Here's a description of Josh's personality:

1.   Grandiosity with expectations of superior treatment from other people

2.   Fixated on fantasies of power, success, intelligence, attractiveness, etc.

3.   Self-perception of being unique, superior, and associated with high-status people and institutions

4.   Needing continual admiration from others

5.   Sense of entitlement to special treatment and to obedience from others

6.   Exploitative of others to achieve personal gain

7.   Unwilling to empathize with the feelings, wishes, and needs of other people

8.   Intensely envious of others, and the belief that others are equally envious of them

9.   Pompous and arrogant demeanor

Those are also the traits of pathological narcissism.  Narcissism is considered heritable and there is often a family history of the disorder.  According to experts, "In some people, pathological narcissism may develop from an impaired attachment to their primary caregivers, usually their parents. This can result in the child's perception of himself/herself as unimportant and unconnected to others. The child typically comes to believe they have some personality defect that makes them unvalued and unwanted. Insensitive, over-controlling parenting, are believed to be contributing factors." 

Some of the parenting traits that may lead to narcissism in their children are:

·         Excessive praise for good behaviors or excessive criticism for bad behaviors in childhood.

·         Overindulgence and overvaluation by parents, other family members, or peers.

·         Severe emotional abuse in childhood.

·         Unpredictable or unreliable care giving from parents.

·         Learning manipulative behaviors from parents or peers.

·         Valued by parents as a means to regulate their own self-esteem.

Thank you Mollie!  With the exception of severe emotional abuse in childhood (I can’t really prove that) you just described my brother in law. I’ve been trying to like him for 20 years but the best I can do is put up with him when he visits my in laws. Sheesh, these people really make you feel like like something is wrong with you until you see it in writing like that. I can’t imagine growing up in a house with Josh and being so stuck and having to put up with him on a daily basis.  Talk about being taught a warped view. Makes my skin crawl.

[Normades]

I keep hoping that Josh will be the one to write the tell all book.  It would give him the $ to get out from under daddy and pay off Anna to get out of the marriage.  He's had a taste of the real world and he just might want to make the jump.  I think out of all the kids, so far he is the most likely to do it.  He knows living off the compound isn't as scary or awful as his parents told him (except for getting caught with strippers!) and he acts like he'd rather chew his leg off than keep having more babies.  He could get some much needed mental health and live a happy life as a single father.  

[bigskygirl]

Josh would have to admit he has a serious problem in order to get mental health care. I do not see it happening. His book probably would be all about how sorry he is and how he was able to release the evilness and devil from totally destroying his soul. His trip out in the real world was one big lie. He enjoyed the fame and money that came with it, but his chance of him making it big is slim to nothing.

[kaleidoscope]

Josh had it all in D.C.  He was on a national stage, meeting important people, making a HUGE salary, and doing pretty much anything he wanted, just because of his name and ranking in the fundie community.  I'm almost wondering if JB is actually happy that Josh crashed and burned because he was outdoing daddy.  We certainly cannot have that happen!

[bigskygirl]

JB was probably more concern about Josh ruining the family name. Yes, Josh did have his five minutes of fame, but it came at a very heavy price. Lay down with the dogs, and you will be covered in fleas.

[PikaScrewChu]

On 1/23/2018 at 6:44 PM, Nysha said:

The Planned Parenthood in my area will give any man a vasectomy for $800. I can't imagine it would cost much more in Arkansas.

That's 800 dollars that he couldn't put towards Chik-Fil-A though because he doesn't want to eat Chickenetti.

[GeeGolly]

We don't need a Duggar to write a tell-all. Someone just needs to print out this forum and hang out in NWA for a few months. I'm sure there's plenty of folks who could help piece out truths from speculation and offer up more insider dirt. But I think we know the story - authoritarian parenting with blurred boundaries and oppression of women all in the name of Jesus. 

Edited January 26, 2018 by GeeGolly

[Churchhoney]

On 1/23/2018 at 12:12 PM, PikaScrewChu said:

Some surgeons will not give consent to a vasectomy unless they have the consent of the wife now. Yes in their twisted belief system Anna would have to bow down to her husband's wishes. I doubt Josh has health insurance that would cover the full procedure though. JB and Michelle would have to foot some of the money towards that and I doubt they would consent to the money being used for that purpose.

Josh could hide money away but I doubt he's that smart to think long term without spending all the money on Chik-Fil-A. He certainly didn't realize the FRC job would eventually end. Josh and Anna were spending money like no tomorrow while Josh was working in DC.

All this is true, but if you let it be a barrier then you're really not trying, I think.

I mean, yeah, some doctors want consent of a spouse. But lots of doctors don't.

And as for cost -- well, it would surprise me if you couldn't get a vasectomy for about $1000 in Arkansas if you hunted around. Some places would have a sliding scale for people with low incomes, and most of the time Josh has had a low income. And if he'd tried to get one back in the DC days, he would have had a large choice of venues and pocket money.

Seems to me that it just says a lot about his sloth, his ignorance, his brainwashing and his cowardice (fear of mommy and daddy and of making his own choices, mostly, I suppose) that he hasn't done this at some point. Just a very sad commentary that, not only will he not talk this out honestly with his wife, but that he won't even sneak out and get the widely available and modestly priced procedure that would clearly benefit both of them. He's a mess, but almost more than that I'd say he's a child. An eternal one, I guess. Golden Boy for life, unfortunately. And father of five. Awful. 

[louannems]

Father of five.

Then father of six..

Then father of seven...

If he doesn't act soon, he'll end up like any Fundie father with 8 to 13 kids!

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

On 1/24/2018 at 8:54 PM, OneMoreStop said:

Thank you Mollie!  With the exception of severe emotional abuse in childhood (I can’t really prove that) you just described my brother in law. I’ve been trying to like him for 20 years but the best I can do is put up with him when he visits my in laws. Sheesh, these people really make you feel like like something is wrong with you until you see it in writing like that. I can’t imagine growing up in a house with Josh and being so stuck and having to put up with him on a daily basis.  Talk about being taught a warped view. Makes my skin crawl.

And the siblings couldn't even get away from Josh for a few hours a day while they all went to school, since they were home schooled together and I doubt Michelle kept them apart for their lessons.  I know a few people with terrible family situations and school was their refuge from it.  

On 1/25/2018 at 9:32 AM, Normades said:

I keep hoping that Josh will be the one to write the tell all book.  It would give him the $ to get out from under daddy and pay off Anna to get out of the marriage.  He's had a taste of the real world and he just might want to make the jump.  I think out of all the kids, so far he is the most likely to do it.  He knows living off the compound isn't as scary or awful as his parents told him (except for getting caught with strippers!) and he acts like he'd rather chew his leg off than keep having more babies.  He could get some much needed mental health and live a happy life as a single father.  

I'm waiting for the tell-all. I think he's the most likely candidate, too. 

3 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

And as for cost -- well, it would surprise me if you couldn't get a vasectomy for about $1000 in Arkansas if you hunted around. Some places would have a sliding scale for people with low incomes, and most of the time Josh has had a low income. And if he'd tried to get one back in the DC days, he would have had a large choice of venues and pocket money.

Seems to me that it just says a lot about his sloth, his ignorance, his brainwashing and his cowardice (fear of mommy and daddy and of making his own choices, mostly, I suppose) that he hasn't done this at some point. Just a very sad commentary that, not only will he not talk this out honestly with his wife, but that he won't even sneak out and get the widely available and modestly priced procedure that would clearly benefit both of them. He's a mess, but almost more than that I'd say he's a child. An eternal one, I guess. Golden Boy for life, unfortunately. And father of five. Awful. 

I also suspect Josh is one of "those men" who won't have a vasectomy done because 1) they're big babies who are scared of pain (never mind the pain their wives go through during child birth); and 2) they're sooo scared that something might happen when surgical instruments get that close to they're oh-so-important-body-part(s).  Wus. 

Edited January 26, 2018 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[Heathen]

19 minutes ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

And the siblings couldn't even get away from Josh for a few hours a day while they all went to school, since they were home schooled together and I doubt Michelle kept them apart for their lessons.  I know a few people with terrible family situations and school was their refuge from it.  

I'm waiting for the tell-all. I think he's the most likely candidate, too. 

I also suspect Josh is one of "those men" who won't have a vasectomy done because 1) they're big babies who are scared of pain (never mind the pain their wives go through during child birth); and 2) they're sooo scared that something might happen when surgical instruments get that close to they're oh-so-important-body-part(s).  Wus. 

 

We don't have a like option here anymore? ETA: Never mind, I found it. 

Josh reminds me of the type of man who won't have his dog neutered because it will make him less masculine. He's exactly the type who will let his wife go through repeated childbirths or through a surgical sterilization, but won't get a vasectomy himself because he thinks it's the same as neutering. 

Edited January 26, 2018 by Heathen

[bigskygirl]

The heart at the right at the bottom of the post is the new like button. I just saw it a few minutes ago.

And back to the topic at hand: too bad someone did not neuter JB before he married Michelle. I think a vasectomy is a no no in Duggar Land because how many children a man can prove he is the top dog so to speak. JB loves to remind people about how many children he has. If Josh did not want more than two children, he should have gotten snip, snip or been honest with Anna. Of course, most couples get to know each other and talk about whether they want children and how many they want before saying I do. I can understand the cases of birth control not working and surprise, surprise a little bundle of joy happens, but how stupid can a person be not to realize not using any type of birth control can lead to unplanned pregnancies.

[xwordfanatik]

My mother attended a fundie church for a time, to please a close fundie relative.  Mom told me that it was discovered a member had a vasectomy, and they (the church) kicked him out.  Mom was a believer in only having children that the two parents could support.  When a church gets that personal and dictates that one has to have as many kids as God sees fit, and doesn't allow birth control, I (and mom) drew the line.  Even depending on fellow church members for family necessities seems wrong.  JMO

[Christina87]

On 1/25/2018 at 10:32 AM, Normades said:

I keep hoping that Josh will be the one to write the tell all book.  It would give him the $ to get out from under daddy and pay off Anna to get out of the marriage.  He's had a taste of the real world and he just might want to make the jump.  I think out of all the kids, so far he is the most likely to do it.  He knows living off the compound isn't as scary or awful as his parents told him (except for getting caught with strippers!) and he acts like he'd rather chew his leg off than keep having more babies.  He could get some much needed mental health and live a happy life as a single father.  

I think writing the tell-all would be Josh's only chance at redemption in society. However, he would have to admit he was wrong, and preferably get some sort of real therapy. If he came out and said, "I had a real problem, but a lot of it stemmed from the way I was raised...here, read this," he might actually get some sympathy from readers. Plus, it would likely be a fairly entertaining read; poverty, teenage engagement, moleatations, reprogramming camps, marriage, how long into his marriage he made it without cheating, accounts of affairs (sex sells), introspection, therapy, plan for how he plans to live the rest of his life. It could actually be a page turner! He would just have to completely renounce fundamentalism. 

[Rabbittron]

For all my wonderful friends I will bite the bullet after I shoot myself with it and watch RU Live for all of us tonight ? .

[Westiepeach]

2 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

For all my wonderful friends I will bite the bullet after I shoot myself with it and watch RU Live for all of us tonight ? .

You were always my favorite. 

[BitterApple]

13 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

For all my wonderful friends I will bite the bullet after I shoot myself with it and watch RU Live for all of us tonight ? .

Should we send wine?

[Rabbittron]

Just now, BitterApple said:

Should we send wine?

Long Island ice tea thanx.

[Rabbittron]

My son just walked by and he said instead of playing Where's Waldo you are playing Where's Smuggar ?

[sigmaforce86]

Noticed this when the Jessa/Ben thread was talking about pictures possibly showing Jessa trying to hide a pregnancy.  The body language is cringe worthy.   Josh still has that #1 son shit eating grin, one hand on Anna's shoulder but other than that they're not touching or standing very close.  Anna looks like she's stiff back and stiff shoulders, a very nearly a "don't touch me" uncomfortable stance and the barest of forced smiles that's more than half grimace.

Knowing their history it's a very uncomfortable looking photo for a couple that's coming up on a 10 year anniversary.

 

[Darknight]

Josh has gotten away with a lot of shit. Someone needs to hold him accountable. He's a grown ass man with 5 kids. 

[LilJen]

On ‎1‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 5:54 PM, Rabbittron said:

For all my wonderful friends I will bite the bullet after I shoot myself with it and watch RU Live for all of us tonight ? .

You are one tough cookie.