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Julia

Julia

I never thought I'd feel a compassion for Josh Duggar, but, man, if he's really sitting at RU, I have nothing BUT compassion for that small-minded PITA loser, bigot. He is toast.

It really is a horror story. Because JMO if there was something there to save, Josh needs to let go of not just his heedless narcissism but his fairly obvious insecurity and self-loathing (Ann Lamott said that the central message of her addiction was "I am the piece of shit the universe revolves around," and I see a lot of that in Josh).

The problem is, I don't get the feeling these people want that. I think they want him to be a happy narcissist for Christ, who stays broken because he's easier to control that way. And the door out is closed now, over something his daddy and all his daddy's very powerful friends taught him in every way that matters didn't really matter.

It's like An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge. The whole escape to DC and adulthood and respect was a dream he had while his brain was catching up to how screwed he is.

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Someone on Reddit just described Josh’s face as a glistening glazed ham. I am considering divorcing my husband and marrying that poster. 

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I feel sympathy and compassion for individuals attempting to take control of their lives and get assistance with their problems, especially younger folks.  

 

However, the people in this program are all grown adults.  There are no children or teens there.  They are attending of their own free will, with no state or court mandated requirements.  No entity is forcing them to be there.  They have at least $7,500 to spend and 6 MONTHS of free time to devote to this "treatment" program.  They all know there are ZERO licensed therapists or counselors and ZERO medical personnel there to assist in their "recovery", so there is no detoxing for the "addicts".  

 

They know what this place is.  And based on the rules & regulations we've seen, they have no expectation of personal privacy during their "treatment".  They signed that all away with they turned over their cash to these charlatans.  

 

I absolutely believe that when individuals go into treatment and their privacy is important to them, there are programs for them.  But it's definitely not available with this dog-and-pony show.  

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cmr2014

cmr2014

I feel sympathy and compassion for individuals attempting to take control of their lives and get assistance with their problems, especially younger folks.  

 

However, the people in this program are all grown adults.  There are no children or teens there.  They are attending of their own free will, with no state or court mandated requirements.  No entity is forcing them to be there.  They have at least $7,500 to spend and 6 MONTHS of free time to devote to this "treatment" program.  They all know there are ZERO licensed therapists or counselors and ZERO medical personnel there to assist in their "recovery", so there is no detoxing for the "addicts".  

 

They know what this place is.  And based on the rules & regulations we've seen, they have no expectation of personal privacy during their "treatment".  They signed that all away with they turned over their cash to these charlatans.  

 

I absolutely believe that when individuals go into treatment and their privacy is important to them, there are programs for them.  But it's definitely not available with this dog-and-pony show.  

 

I will say that I doubt anyone -- anyone -- is there by their own choice. I would guess that family members were willing to pony up $7500 to get these people out of the house, and the "patients" had no other options. It is my understanding that most of them are drug addicts, and drug addicts often have no jobs, and no permanent address, so there is no reason that they can't be away for 6 months.

 

I mentioned this before -- but I was thinking about this again today -- this is a punishment center, not a treatment center as we might think of it. Josh (and probably most of the others) were sent here as a punishment for their sins. It's supposed to be degrading and humiliating. What's wrong with them is not a medical condition, or a mental illness, it is pride. They are supposed to be humbled, and forced to crawl on their knees to beg Jesus for forgiveness -- that's the point.

 

Gothard doesn't believe in the type of counseling or treatment that we would associate with any kind of addiction treatment facility. I was thinking about the abuse special today, and I could imagine JB telling J'chelle and the girls, "just go and nod your head at all the secular bs. We have to do this to get our show back." I would imagine that part of the point in sending Josh away was the same thing.

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sleekandchic

sleekandchic

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cmr2014...yes, very astute. I agree that RU is a punishment program and not a rehab-treatment center. I believe RU works hard to instill a certain self-loathing, topped with a huge dollop of shame. How can that mindset work long-term? It can't. Well, unless the graduate-RUs are Ted Bundy or Joel Rifkin.

The Friday night livestream is the icing on the cake. Public ridicule as a form of rebuke and shame. Tough "love." What inspires RU to go that far? Only thing I can think of is that the Friday night net show is for the referring parents, spouses, churches to look in on and to make sure they're getting their $7,500 worth.

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CofCinci

CofCinci

So I read tonight that Anna is expected to make an appearance at Amy's wedding tomorrow and that there will be dancing and alcohol. Maybe Anna can get snockered and forget just for a few hours how screwed up things are.

I'm sure JB and Co. will close ranks around Anna but perhaps she'll sneak off to the bathroom, where she will bump into a modern gal who will tell her to leave the piece of crap she married.
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Defrauder

Defrauder

I purposed to find RU on you tube and sure enough, PTL, they have their own channel with videos and free  commenting for anyone who is interested in their very special message.  One video is Discovery of Recovery: Reformer Unanimous Overview.  The Lord has laid it on my heart to check it out and possibly  post my overview of their overview sometime soon.  They have many videos but few subscribers.  They need our help .

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IntoTheMystic

IntoTheMystic

I realized that I actually would watch a "Duggar" show if given the chance. One where Anna walks away and rebuilds her life with her kids:

Anna Plus Four - Josh Out the Door

Anna Plus Four - No More Manwhore
Anna's Little Army - Without Mr. Smarmy

 

The more I think about her the worse I feel.  She is probably surrounded by Duggar prayer that centers on Josh so he is the focus instead of her. I bet she has sister girls there to help with the children but NOT talk to her about Josh and how she is feeling ... and this is probably the first time she's been away from Josh for longer than a day or two. I mean ... she did go from being surrounded by her family to leaving and cleaving to her husband --- such as he is. I dunno. I just ache for her because SHE is the only one that actually matters in all of this mess (and his sex abuse victims from the earlier mess) but I guarantee she isn't going to be given a real outlet that will enable her to say what she wants. The people she will be speaking to are not bound by any confidentiality. They'll talk to Ma and Pa Duggar about anything she says so of course she will censor herself and keep sweet. UGH.

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Fuzzysox

Fuzzysox

I realized that I actually would watch a "Duggar" show if given the chance. One where Anna walks away and rebuilds her life with her kids:

Anna Plus Four - Josh Out the Door

Anna Plus Four - No More Manwhore

Anna's Little Army - Without Mr. Smarmy

 

The more I think about her the worse I feel.  She is probably surrounded by Duggar prayer that centers on Josh so he is the focus instead of her. I bet she has sister girls there to help with the children but NOT talk to her about Josh and how she is feeling ... and this is probably the first time she's been away from Josh for longer than a day or two. I mean ... she did go from being surrounded by her family to leaving and cleaving to her husband --- such as he is. I dunno. I just ache for her because SHE is the only one that actually matters in all of this mess (and his sex abuse victims from the earlier mess) but I guarantee she isn't going to be given a real outlet that will enable her to say what she wants. The people she will be speaking to are not bound by any confidentiality. They'll talk to Ma and Pa Duggar about anything she says so of course she will censor herself and keep sweet. UGH.

 

 

Best show title ever!

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IntoTheMystic

IntoTheMystic

It's so awkward to even think of Josh Duggar and manwhore in the same sentence. Y'know, I always felt sorry for Anna for having her first experience be with someone like that. Bless HER heart. She even had to keep on doing it with some repetition to make four young'uns. And that took some kind of gumption I don't even know the name of. 

To think that other women went there with Josh, even if he paid them really good money, just ewwwwww. Ew. EWWW. I know I'm a lesbian, but he is just not a nice looking dude. I can appreciate nice looking dudes ... Joe Manganiello comes to mind. Channing Tatum, too. I even thought McDreamy and McSteamy were pretty to look at over on Grey's Anatomy. I like beauty as much as the next gal --- but Josh Duggar is not anywhere near my line of handsome. He's so far down that he can't even look up and SEE my line of handsome. So ... manwhore and Josh Duggar causes a disconnect in my brain. 

 

I watched a few RU videos and I felt like I was sitting around the old family dinner table listening to my father lay the sins of the world on us and expect us to be better people for it. Sheesh. Talk about heavy hitting. Josh is going to come out of that place even more determined to be a creep just because he'll have to rebel against the utter hogwash of it all.

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OhioMom

OhioMom

It's so awkward to even think of Josh Duggar and manwhore in the same sentence. Y'know, I always felt sorry for Anna for having her first experience be with someone like that. Bless HER heart. She even had to keep on doing it with some repetition to make four young'uns. And that took some kind of gumption I don't even know the name of. 

To think that other women went there with Josh, even if he paid them really good money, just ewwwwww. Ew. EWWW. I know I'm a lesbian, but he is just not a nice looking dude. I can appreciate nice looking dudes ... Joe Manganiello comes to mind. Channing Tatum, too. I even thought McDreamy and McSteamy were pretty to look at over on Grey's Anatomy. I like beauty as much as the next gal --- but Josh Duggar is not anywhere near my line of handsome. He's so far down that he can't even look up and SEE my line of handsome. So ... manwhore and Josh Duggar causes a disconnect in my brain. 

 

I watched a few RU videos and I felt like I was sitting around the old family dinner table listening to my father lay the sins of the world on us and expect us to be better people for it. Sheesh. Talk about heavy hitting. Josh is going to come out of that place even more determined to be a creep just because he'll have to rebel against the utter hogwash of it all.

If Anna had no previous sexual experience, sad as it is, she has no idea that what she's experienced is sub-par, or that it could be much better for her.  Ignorance is bliss, as the saying goes.

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JoanArc

JoanArc

 

To think that other women went there with Josh, even if he paid them really good money, just ewwwwww. Ew. EWWW. I know I'm a lesbian, but he is just not a nice looking dude.

He was, briefly, at 19/20. Those looks faded fast. He could've kept them, but that requires, you know, work, and this is Josh.

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Tabbygirl521

Tabbygirl521

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Oh, come on now, IntoTheMystic! You know you've seen Josh on a trapeze. (One of the few episodes I actually saw part of.) Didn't that turn your crank just a little? Get one of them Pamela Anderson/Tommy Lee sex swings and go to town!

I think it's funny that he paid $1000+ to get some. Clueless? Trying to be a big shot? Or did the woman negotiate that price after quizzing Josh and learning that he liked to get rough? Inquiring minds...

(FTR, I am straight and I join you in the "just NO"!)

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Julia

Julia

I think he looks like a generic schlub. If I didn't know who or what he was, I wouldn't find him noticeably unattractive, although my first impression would not involve sex. 

 

It just seems weird to me that his family's cult actually provided him with a housebound completely dependent sex slave, and his kink is for a self-supporting young woman with a job. Granted, he wants to treat that young woman like a sex slave, which is undoubtedly how he ended up paying for it.

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galax-arena

galax-arena

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To think that other women went there with Josh, even if he paid them really good money, just ewwwwww. Ew. EWWW. I know I'm a lesbian, but he is just not a nice looking dude. I can appreciate nice looking dudes ... Joe Manganiello comes to mind. Channing Tatum, too. I even thought McDreamy and McSteamy were pretty to look at over on Grey's Anatomy. I like beauty as much as the next gal --- but Josh Duggar is not anywhere near my line of handsome. He's so far down that he can't even look up and SEE my line of handsome. So ... manwhore and Josh Duggar causes a disconnect in my brain. 

joshduggaruglye1b8b.jpg

 

What, this picture doesn't get your motor running? 

 

You know, sometimes I wonder if I'm being unfair and, I don't know, fatshaming Josh. Like, "oh, the only reason we don't think he's cute is because he's overweight!" But I don't think that's it, at least I hope not. But it's true that I used to think Josh was relatively cute in a squeaky clean throwback-to-the-50s sort of way back when he was younger and now he's just... blech. But the ensuing weight gain can't be the defining thing, because there have been overweight men and women who I thought were attractive. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's his odious personality bleeding through. It's like every picture of his screams smug. And despite what he wrote on his Ashley Madison profile I still picture him as being a really selfish lover. 

 

Julia, "schlub" is the perfect way to describe him. He is not someone who ever looks sharp in a suit, no matter how much he tries. Maybe a fedora would help. (Heh heh heh.) 

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sometimesy

sometimesy

(edited)

I realized that I actually would watch a "Duggar" show if given the chance. One where Anna walks away and rebuilds her life with her kids:

Anna Plus Four - Josh Out the Door

Anna Plus Four - No More Manwhore

Anna's Little Army - Without Mr. Smarmy

 

The more I think about her the worse I feel.  She is probably surrounded by Duggar prayer that centers on Josh so he is the focus instead of her. I bet she has sister girls there to help with the children but NOT talk to her about Josh and how she is feeling ... and this is probably the first time she's been away from Josh for longer than a day or two. I mean ... she did go from being surrounded by her family to leaving and cleaving to her husband --- such as he is. I dunno. I just ache for her because SHE is the only one that actually matters in all of this mess (and his sex abuse victims from the earlier mess) but I guarantee she isn't going to be given a real outlet that will enable her to say what she wants. The people she will be speaking to are not bound by any confidentiality. They'll talk to Ma and Pa Duggar about anything she says so of course she will censor herself and keep sweet. UGH.

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Anna can leave. She has a brother who is willing to help her. She claims she knew about the 'light touching' before marriage. She KNEW three months ago what type of guy she married. She stood by Josh and escorted him to FRC appearances, seemingly in support of FRC. She is raising children in this belief system.

Those M&M's though. Someone knock some sense into Anna so they are not raised ln this cult. Those kids are her responsibility so poor Anna can suck it up before she destroys their lives. She is a flashback Michelle. Get it together girl. Anna is an adult and the KIDS are what really matters.

I am such a bitch. haha.

 

Edit: This is just my opinion, but you are not alone IntoTheMystic. There is a lot of sympathy for Anna out there and she will need support to support her children properly

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Tabbygirl521

Tabbygirl521

Galax-Arena, what about the "defrauding" pic, where they had to blur out his crack? Get thee behind me, Satan!

I don't care about Josh's weight. To me he just still looks too boyish or unfinished or something. Granted, I am almost old enough to be his grandmother, so... But even in my youth, Josh would not have been my type. Knowing his worldview doesn't help.

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MarysWetBar

MarysWetBar

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joshduggaruglye1b8b.jpg

What, this picture doesn't get your motor running?

You know, sometimes I wonder if I'm being unfair and, I don't know, fatshaming Josh. Like, "oh, the only reason we don't think he's cute is because he's overweight!" But I don't think that's it, at least I hope not. But it's true that I used to think Josh was relatively cute in a squeaky clean throwback-to-the-50s sort of way back when he was younger and now he's just... blech. But the ensuing weight gain can't be the defining thing, because there have been overweight men and women who I thought were attractive. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's his odious personality bleeding through. It's like every picture of his screams smug. And despite what he wrote on his Ashley Madison profile I still picture him as being a really selfish lover.

Julia, "schlub" is the perfect way to describe him. He is not someone who ever looks sharp in a suit, no matter how much he tries. Maybe a fedora would help. (Heh heh heh.)

It's his hideous personality. While I find Josh odious, I have always had a wee crush on James Gandolfini at his heaviest, and still think Jack Nicholson has a ton of charisma even with his moobs! Lol

So for me its not fat shaming, its personality shaming!

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Muffyn

Muffyn

Here's a difficult round of FMK for you: Jim Bob, Josh, Ben. 

This is one that ends with kill yourself because marrying or fucking any of these three would scar you for life.  

 

If Joshie was a nice person rather than a smug, sanctimonious hypocritical ass, he would not be horribly unappealing.  At this point, it is impossible to look at him and set aside what a slimy weasel he is.  So, anything unappealing or neutral in his looks spurns absolute revulsion.  He's a nasty piece of work. 

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cmr2014

cmr2014

Galax-Arena, what about the "defrauding" pic, where they had to blur out his crack? Get thee behind me, Satan!

I don't care about Josh's weight. To me he just still looks too boyish or unfinished or something. Granted, I am almost old enough to be his grandmother, so... But even in my youth, Josh would not have been my type. Knowing his worldview doesn't help.

 

I think that's a perfect description "unfinished." That's exactly what he looks like.

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truthtalk2014

truthtalk2014

I feel sympathy and compassion for individuals attempting to take control of their lives and get assistance with their problems, especially younger folks.  

 

However, the people in this program are all grown adults.  There are no children or teens there.  They are attending of their own free will, with no state or court mandated requirements.  No entity is forcing them to be there.  They have at least $7,500 to spend and 6 MONTHS of free time to devote to this "treatment" program.  They all know there are ZERO licensed therapists or counselors and ZERO medical personnel there to assist in their "recovery", so there is no detoxing for the "addicts".  

 

They know what this place is.  And based on the rules & regulations we've seen, they have no expectation of personal privacy during their "treatment".  They signed that all away with they turned over their cash to these charlatans.  

 

I absolutely believe that when individuals go into treatment and their privacy is important to them, there are programs for them.  But it's definitely not available with this dog-and-pony show.  

EXACTLY! We are not talking about a 14 year old boy that is forced into this program by this parents.  

 

He is a GROWN MAN and obviously decided to go there willingly (if he is there).  Just as every other person there is an adult .  If you don't want to be there, don't go.  IF you don't want to be married, get a divorce and if you want to sleep with other women, get a divorce.  Simple math - but math that is not taught at the dining room table.  

 

AMEN and PTL. 

 

BTW, lol, Jenna got an email from RU today letting her know that another sermon is online.  PTL!

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cheatincheetos

cheatincheetos

It's like An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge. The whole escape to DC and adulthood and respect was a dream he had while his brain was catching up to how screwed he is.

Or Carnival of Souls! :)    (which also has a churchy backdrop)

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnival_of_Souls

I realized that I actually would watch a "Duggar" show if given the chance. One where Anna walks away and rebuilds her life with her kids:

Anna Plus Four - Josh Out the Door

Anna Plus Four - No More Manwhore

Anna's Little Army - Without Mr. Smarmy

 

Anna-Stasis: Leaving Smuggar Hell

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cheatincheetos

cheatincheetos

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You know, sometimes I wonder if I'm being unfair and, I don't know, fatshaming Josh. Like, "oh, the only reason we don't think he's cute is because he's overweight!" But I don't think that's it, at least I hope not.

It's the smugness and the fact he just looks like someone who eats paste and has really, really sweaty clammy palms.

 

 It looks like it's cutting him in half. And the look on his face, ugh.

If it cut him in half would he grow into two Joshes? Like earthworms? That photo makes me think of Scarlet O'Hara struggling to get her corset tight enough.

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SometimesBites

SometimesBites

I think that's a perfect description "unfinished." That's exactly what he looks like.

Totally agree. He's in an eternal pupa stage.

It's the smugness and the fact he just looks like someone who eats paste and has really, really sweaty clammy palms.

If it cut him in half would he grow into two Joshes? Like earthworms? That photo makes me think of Scarlet O'Hara struggling to get her corset tight enough.

I'm laughing so hard my cat is staring, like maybe she should just back out of the room. :D

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cheatincheetos

cheatincheetos

Someone asked for this- can't find the post now.  But, PTL- ask and you shall receive.  

 

I can't figure out how to make a picture show up in the post.  I can only figure out how to do a link.  Is there a trick?

 

 

https://flic.kr/p/xm1gaW

In the editor for posts, click the little green square icon for pictures. It will ask you for a web address for the pic, and you're done :)

truthtalk2014

truthtalk2014

In the editor for posts, click the little green square icon for pictures. It will ask you for a web address for the pic, and you're done :)

Yea, I tried that and it won't work.  I've tried it a few times and I always get an error message when I try to preview or post.  I'm sure it's Satan.  

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galax-arena

galax-arena

Yea, I tried that and it won't work.  I've tried it a few times and I always get an error message when I try to preview or post.  I'm sure it's Satan.  

I think it's because what you're posting isn't a direct link to the image itself. Try uploading it to a site like imgur or ultraimg and use the direct link option. 

At least if you F JimBob, it doesn't last very long...

You could probably say that about any of the three, tbh. The real question is who has the scariest O face. 

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satrunrose

satrunrose

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Hmmm... 

 

F Bin. It's the least disgusting (sort of) and I can use the evidence to torpedo his televangelist career. Plus, I'm guessing once Jessa found out she'll take care of the K part for me.

 

K Josh 'cause one of my life goals is to avoid having four kids while being chained to a cheating douchenozzle.

 

M Jim Boob (ew!ew!ew!) because as long as I wear my mullet and gaze adoringly at the King of the Idiots while he's in the room, I can take over the homefool (Jessa being locked away for killing Bin and all), and teach evolution and The Handmaid's Tale.

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Missy Vixen

Missy Vixen

It's his hideous personality. While I find Josh odious, I have always had a wee crush on James Gandolfini at his heaviest, and still think Jack Nicholson has a ton of charisma even with his moobs! Lol

So for me its not fat shaming, its personality shaming!

Oh, let me tell you: For me it's sense of humor and intelligence. If the guy is funny and smart, I'm all over that, and looks are a distant third. I'm also into guys that listen. As a result, I'd be bored to tears with the guys most women are into. IMHO of course. And I have always thought that John Goodman is a bit of a hunk.

 

Jim Boob, Josh and the rest think they're all that and a bag of chips. I'd do whatever I had to do to get away from them, and that includes Bin and his BIL derickdillard. NOOOOO THANK YOU. I prefer men who treat women with respect as well.

Well, my brain has been screaming non-stop at the thought of FMK with those guys. Thanks for that.

How would you choose? Seriously? I wouldn't last an hour with a dullard like Bin. (Actually, he wouldn't last an hour with me. I'd have him crying inside of five minutes.) I couldn't spend two minutes in a room with Jim Boob. And Smuggar makes me physically ill.

 

It's a no-win situation.

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Joe Jitsu913

Joe Jitsu913

Smuggar reminds me of this guy I work with. I call him 'Droopy Dog' because of his resemblance to the cartoon. Anywho, this guy is doughy, pasty looking, wears ill-fitting clothes, and has bad posture. He tries to flirt with the ladies in the office and acts like a ladies man. He looks 29-30 yrs old but is actually in his 40s. He told me I had 'nice hair' once. He and Josh could be brothers.

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