Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[leighdear]

Pretty sure that's based on the assumption that they have a covenant marriage, which (based on where they got married) they don't. 

Their ceremony was in Florida, but was their marriage license issued in Florida or Arkansas?  

 

For Cherrio's game, if you fail to pay for your booty call, you have to sit on a blanket and be hit with a wooden spoon. 

Edited September 3, 2015 by leighdear

[Patricia07]

Don't you have to get married in the state where your license is issued?

[Absolom]

Most states (all?) you have to get the license in the same state where you plan to get married.  Some places it's the same county as where you get married.

[zenme]

Don't you have to get married in the state where your license is issued?

 

Yes.

[leighdear]

I live in Florida and was married here, so I never gave it any thought....*LOL*  But I know we definitely don't have covenant marriage here. 

[Aw my lahgs]

Anna won't have a hard time getting a divorce, even if she has a covenant marriage.

 

http://www.arlegalservices.org/files/FSCovenantMarriage.pdf

[Loves2Dance]

Anna won't have a hard time getting a divorce, even if she has a covenant marriage.

 

http://www.arlegalservices.org/files/FSCovenantMarriage.pdf

Arkansas laws don't apply; they were married in Florida. 

[Beth64]

The law of the state where they live applies, not where they were married.

Edited September 3, 2015 by Beth64

[MonicaM]

Anna won't have a hard time getting a divorce, even if she has a covenant marriage.

 

http://www.arlegalservices.org/files/FSCovenantMarriage.pdf

Looks like the main difference is that divorce in a covenant marriage requires grounds, meaning no-fault is not an option.  She'd certainly have no problems proving adultery.  

 

Never mind.  Someone answered before I got this posted.  

Edited September 3, 2015 by MonicaM

[JoanArc]

Another Hooker! 2 Hookers....and Counting!

 

It's only a matter of time until abortion comes into play. I bet he sent a woman to planned parenthood.

[CousinAmy]

I thought a "covenant marriage" meant a religious covenant - it's a State thing? Why do they need that when there is plain old "normal" marriage?

Edited September 3, 2015 by CousinAmy

[3 is enough]

Ok, so I don't know whether this means anything, but I was playing with my phone, looking at various instagram accounts, and checked out Josh's just to see if the nasty comments are still accumulating.  When his page came up there was a red banner on top that said no internet access.

My wifi connection was fine, and all the other pages were accessible.

 

So maybe he really is someplace where they confiscated his phone.  I wonder if he is in Rockford, and they are excluding him from any public appearances to avoid distractions and negative publicity.  

 

YMMV, but I thought it was interesting. If he still has a phone, I highly doubt it would be turned off.  It was practically glued to his hand.

[Tunia]

^^^Maybe Anna cancelled his account...

[3 is enough]

No, you can still access the page and see all of the old postings.  

 

Maybe it is just me. It's late and I'm definitely not the most tech-savvy person out there.  But my wifi is definitely working, and I just found it odd that only Josh's instagram page was the only one that showed no internet access.

 

Honestly, I do not understand why they (Josh and Anna) don't just delete their accounts, or at the very least go private.  What is the point of exposing themselves to all of the nasty comments?

[Magoo]

I think Instagram was down for a bit. After reading your post I tried to access his account and it came up with error messages across the board for his and other accounts.

[kokapetl]

I think your internet/wifi wasn't working at the same moment your browser was to trying to load new content on Josh's Instagram page, and that was cached by your browser. His page loads for me, the last post is the plea for money for his terminally ill friend, with 9,500 comments.

[mimionthebeach]

It's the middle of the night and I'm giggling into my pillow in a hotel room trying not to waken my kids. I just managed to stifle my way through the Cake references and then you hit me with this! Too much!

[cheatincheetos]

I thought a "covenant marriage" meant a religious covenant - it's a State thing? Why do they need that when there is plain old "normal" marriage?

The religious right got it into state law in AR, AZ and LA. I guess nothing shows your devotion more than needing to make something law because you doubt your willpower to follow your beliefs voluntarily.

Edited September 3, 2015 by cheatincheetos

[cheatincheetos]

Maybe if they go with those Branson performance suggestions they can add baby juggling (simulated with Betsy Wetsy dolls of course).

[kandinski]

Poor Pricilla,I actually feel sad when I see her,she was obviously placed with David for a reason.

[Churchhoney]

Maybe if they go with those Branson performance suggestions they can add baby juggling (simulated with Betsy Wetsy dolls of course).

 

Great idea. Jessa's using real babies, though.

[cheatincheetos]

In a way it's disappointing that the Duggars have a private plane instead of helicopter. If it were the latter, one could make puns about "helicopter parenting".

[cheatincheetos]

So I wonder if this means he bailed or if he was never there in the first place.

Maybe it was an alien abduction. The good people of the Zeta Reticuli star system have mastered light speed travel, time travel, and have still not solved the mystery of this person receiving such social prominence. So they had no choice but to Rapture Josh up with a tractor beam from a strip joint parking lot for close scientific analysis.

Edited September 3, 2015 by cheatincheetos

[Aja]

Well heck wouldn't you?

Defrauder, you and CofCinci are my heroes. <3

[toodles]

My quote thing is acting up today, but I'm in with cherrio' s game. If you don't pay the "lady of the night" a recording telling you how sweet and special you are plays while you are smacked with the wooden spoon. My kindle must be filled with fundie spirits today. It wouldn't let me type the word that starts with an h. It kept changing it to Booker.

[3girlsforus]

I have a friend who saw Anna at Target on Sunday. She took a pic but it's from the back. She had two sister nannies with her.

 

I know it's always possible that Anna wanted her sister nannies (love that term) to come with her. I wouldn't even blame her if she did. She's probably exhausted so she could welcome the help or she could want reinforcements in case the tabloids show up. But the skeptical side of me thinks she doesn't have a choice. Now that Josh is gone she's a child again. She must be with someone at all times and under constant supervision because she can't be trusted to be alone without a man to tell her what to do and protect her. Something pretty disgusting and ironic about that.

Edited September 3, 2015 by 3girlsforus

[3 is enough]

I have to cut Anna some slack here.  If I were her I would not want to venture outside without some friendly support.  And let's face it- the "sister nannies" know what it is like to be wronged by Josh too.  I'd like to think they are having a real bitchfest when JB and Michelle aren't around to hear them.

[Julia]

The law of the state where they live applies, not where they were married.

 

There are a very few states which allow covenant marriage as an alternative to conventional marriage, and if you want one, you have to specifically request one. If the state they got married in doesn't have covenant marriage, they don't acquire one when they move into a jurisdiction which allows them.

 

Personally, I think they would have mentioned it if Josh and Anna had one, when you consider what a fuss they made about Jill and Jessa having them.

[Lemur]

From everything I've read, Josh and Anna don't have a covenant marriage as they were married in Florida (which doesn't have them) and didn't apply for one when they were living in Arkansas.  

[Quilt Fairy]

I know it's unlikely ever to be put to the test but I always wonder if a covenant marriage is actually Constitutional. I mean, 2 versions of marriage based on making one harder to get out of? Or is it based on the theory that marriage is a contract and different contracts can have different clauses? I find so many things these people believe in to be very strange and contradictory. Like how they say they want less government regulation when it comes to gun control but MORE government regulation when it comes to birth control.

 

If someone saw Anna at Target on Sunday, I guess that means that the Duggars don't believe that Sunday is the Lord's Day and you shouldn't do anything except go to church? (Or is shopping at Target on Sunday OK but working at Target on Sunday makes you a heathen?)

Edited September 3, 2015 by Quilt Fairy

[3girlsforus]

I'm not sure why a covenant marriage is really any different than a prenup. It makes an agreement prior to marriage about what will happen if the marriage goes south. You aren't required to have one so it's something you agreed to. There are many ways to get out of the marriage even if you have a covenant marriage and I'm sure that just like a prenup a good lawyer can get it tossed. 

 

One thing I did find when looking through it. You can take on the bounds of a covenant marriage after you've been married so I guess it's possible Josh and Anna have one now although I agree with the poster who said I think they would have made a big deal of it during Jill's wedding if Josh and Anna had gotten themselves one. Of course if Anna ends up wanting a divorce, even if they have a covenant marriage she will be able to get one because adultery is an allowed reason for a divorce

[leighdear]

I'm not sure why a covenant marriage is really any different than a prenup. It makes an agreement prior to marriage about what will happen if the marriage goes south. 

Heathens and sinners have prenups, but godly and jebus-fearing folks have the covenant marriages.  But only in 3 states.  And only if they know about it.  And only if they ask for it.  And only if their preacher knows what it is.  And I'll bet it costs extra.  

Edited September 3, 2015 by leighdear

[Skittl1321]

Heathens and sinners have prenups, but godly and jebus-fearing folks have the covenant marriages.  But only in 3 states.  And only if they know about it.  And only if they ask for it.  And only if their preacher knows what it is.  And I'll bet it costs extra.  

 

I really do not get the covenant marriage.  (Well, I totally understand it was a lobbying thing- but I don't understand why any religious person would think it was necessary.)

 

I was married in the Catholic church.  My marriage was a sacrament. If we divorce (for non-biblical reasons) it is a sin. Who cares that the state says it is okay? God (well assuming you're into that thing) says it isn't.

 

I don't need the state to set up guidelines to make it harder for us to divorce.  GOD already made those guidelines for us.

[Defrauder]

Defrauder, you and CofCinci are my heroes. <3

I feel the same about you Aja. <3

[TaxNerd]

I really do not get the covenant marriage. (Well, I totally understand it was a lobbying thing- but I don't understand why any religious person would think it was necessary.)

I was married in the Catholic church. My marriage was a sacrament. If we divorce (for non-biblical reasons) it is a sin. Who cares that the state says it is okay? God (well assuming you're into that thing) says it isn't.

I don't need the state to set up guidelines to make it harder for us to divorce. GOD already made those guidelines for us.

But you are approaching this with reason and logic. The idea behing a covenant marriage sounds like a way to oneup your neighbor.

I still remember Anna being very haughty about cloth diapering, and using that to justify something else (driving a hummer).

[wovenloaf]

I really do not get the covenant marriage.  (Well, I totally understand it was a lobbying thing- but I don't understand why any religious person would think it was necessary.)

 

I was married in the Catholic church.  My marriage was a sacrament. If we divorce (for non-biblical reasons) it is a sin. Who cares that the state says it is okay? God (well assuming you're into that thing) says it isn't.

 

I don't need the state to set up guidelines to make it harder for us to divorce.  GOD already made those guidelines for us.

Yeah I don't get that either. Like you said, it seems like the only people who would be interested in it would already have a different reason for opposing divorce that has nothing to do with the state. Weird. With respect to the Duggars, the fact that they can't see the irony in needing the government to enforce their own religion on them really underscores how clueless they are, in my mind.

[bigskygirl]

Okay, the covenant marriages and how other religion deals with the prospect of divorce topic has been interesting, but we have beaten the poor horse to death to the point of no return. Lets move the covenant and religion point of view discussion to the Religion thread please. Thank you.

[cheatincheetos]

Poor Pricilla,I actually feel sad when I see her,she was obviously placed with David for a reason.

Because he's good at finding pecans?

[ariel]

 

 

If someone saw Anna at Target on Sunday, I guess that means that the Duggars don't believe that Sunday is the Lord's Day and you shouldn't do anything except go to church? (Or is shopping at Target on Sunday OK but working at Target on Sunday makes you a heathen?)

For the Duggars shopping at Target is ok on Sunday, but if you go to Trader Joes, you are a heathen headed strait to hell. ;)

Edited September 3, 2015 by ariel

[3girlsforus]

I have to cut Anna some slack here.  If I were her I would not want to venture outside without some friendly support.  And let's face it- the "sister nannies" know what it is like to be wronged by Josh too.  I'd like to think they are having a real bitchfest when JB and Michelle aren't around to hear them.

 

I agree. If Anna wants the sister nannies around, then that's great. I totally see that. My worry is that she doesn't have a choice. If she gets the sisters around her that are willing to bitch with her, then great. If she gets only the ones there to make sure she's not thinking about anything other than waiting for Josh, then it's just a way to control her.

[zenme]

I still remember Anna being very haughty about cloth diapering, and using that to justify something else (driving a hummer).

 

Ugh.  That made me really dislike Anna.  Added to that was her eye-rolling and "judge-y eyes" (thank you, Megan Edmonds, RHOC), when they were in the Ethiopian restaurant in D.C. and when they went to Josh and Boob's trainer's church.   It just gave me a little insight into who she really is. 

[kalamac]

But isn't Target making their toy section gender neutral? You'd think the Duggars would be out there protesting the idea that boys can play with dolls and girls can play with cars, not shopping there.

[leighdear]

I think it's a toss-up on whether Anna actually wants the company of others, or simply wants to be left alone.  Some people, no matter the situation, cannot be completely comfortable on their own and without other people around.  Others absolutely adore being able to decide when and where they want to interact with the world at large.  That's me, and it's a completely foreign thing to my SIL, who can barely be alone for the time it takes her to shower.  

 

We don't know if Anna and the littles are living separately from the main Duggar hive, or if she's with them in their own place.  I'll admit, I'm curious about it. 

[Fuzzysox]

It's the middle of the night and I'm giggling into my pillow in a hotel room trying not to waken my kids. I just managed to stifle my way through the Cake references and then you hit me with this! Too much!

How sweet, precious did I say special yet that you chose to fellowship with us  while on vacation!

But isn't Target making their toy section gender neutral? You'd think the Duggars would be out there protesting the idea that boys can play with dolls and girls can play with cars, not shopping there.

I find it completely strange she is at Target. 

[Muffyn]

For the Duggars shopping at Target is ok on Sunday, but if you go to Trader Joes, you are a heathen headed strait to hell. ;)

I sometimes feel like I am in hell when shopping at Trader Joe's.  Does that count?  When the lines are really long, I feel like I am slowly moving through Dante's circles of hell.  The again, one of our local Target stores is always really warm inside.  Maybe that's the true hell.  Dammit! Now I'm seeing hell everywhere!  What have the Duggars wrought upon me?  

For the Duggars shopping at Target is ok on Sunday, but if you go to Trader Joes, you are a heathen headed strait to hell. ;)

I sometimes feel like I am in hell when shopping at Trader Joe's.  Does that count?  When the lines are really long, I feel like I am slowly moving through Dante's circles of hell.  The again, one of our local Target stores is always really warm inside.  Maybe that's the true hell.  Dammit! Now I'm seeing hell everywhere!  What have the Duggars wrought upon me?  

[3girlsforus]

I still remember Anna being very haughty about cloth diapering

 

I didn't think much of that since everyone I know who uses cloth diapers is very haughty about it.

[Julia]

I sometimes feel like I am in hell when shopping at Trader Joe's.  Does that count?  When the lines are really long, I feel like I am slowly moving through Dante's circles of hell.  The again, one of our local Target stores is always really warm inside.  Maybe that's the true hell.  Dammit! Now I'm seeing hell everywhere!  What have the Duggars wrought upon me?  

I sometimes feel like I am in hell when shopping at Trader Joe's.  Does that count?  When the lines are really long, I feel like I am slowly moving through Dante's circles of hell.  The again, one of our local Target stores is always really warm inside.  Maybe that's the true hell.  Dammit! Now I'm seeing hell everywhere!  What have the Duggars wrought upon me?  

 

Believe me, the Hell WalMart on Black Friday would be a walk in the park compared to the Union Square Whole Foods on a weeknight.

 

I didn't think much of that since everyone I know who uses cloth diapers is very haughty about it.

 

Well, yeah, but  while there are advantages in cloth over disposable (not as many now that they're starting to make biogradable disposable, but still), energy efficiency is not one of those advantages. Washing and sterilizing diapers is actually less energy efficient than disposable. So when Anna announced that she was driving a car which gets diesel mileage in the low single figures to transport 4-6 people but she was balancing it with cloth diapers, well, not so much.

[SometimesBites]

...So when Anna announced that she was driving a car which gets diesel mileage in the low single figures to transport 4-6 people but she was balancing it with cloth diapers, well, not so much.

Sure. I totally get the.comparison. Because I drink a fifth of whiskey every morning and balance it out with a bowl of organic granola. #duggarlogic

[kalamac]

If you pour the whiskey on the granola, you'll save time.

 

Maybe that kind of thinking was behind all the paper plates. "We're using all this disposable dinnerware, but think of all the water we're saving by not having to wash everything!"

[louannems]

Last night, I watched the episode where Anna is getting all three kids ready to go to the grocery store. It's the episode where she stocks up on prepackaged, processed Thanksgiving foods to feed the Duggar's. As she is shoving Marcus into his coat, she reminds him that they are going to practice impulse control while shopping. She asks him how they practice impulse control and little Marcus doesn't know. Anna tells him, it's Instant Obedience and the frightened, little shaking head on Marcus made me scared for him. Years ago, I attended a conservative christian church, and they were doing a class on the Pearl's book and the talk was all about Instant Obedience and,of course, plenty of spanking.