Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[DangerousMinds]

I can't imagine how overwhelmed Anna is. She's what, six weeks postpartum? Meredith is maybe sleeping 4 hours at a stretch? Anna is supposed to eat and drink so she can breast feed and she probably has no appetite at all. Marcus is two and needs help with everything. Michael is 4,  Kinzie is 5, so she can sort of dress herself and pour a bowl of cereal, but Anna must be so completely overwhelmed and exhausted.  I bet she resents the lack of help at home. Honestly caring for 4 kids under 5 ought to be  enough for Josh to deal with.  And when she has time to think about it maybe Anna is glad he's gone for a while. but I hope someone is there helping her. Probably Jana, Jinger or Joy, may be the older guys can  go shopping for her, or come over and play with the kids. Instead of sending Josh to some stupid work camp for six month, they should have sent Anna to a nice Hotel. ( not that she'd go, I know)  But he gets to sleep all night.  Poor Anna.

Just imagine being a single, working mom who had to return to work after 6 weeks to pay the rent. Not a lot of sympathy here.

[Featherhat]

I think her story as told is believable. Either because as you say he's the type of guy who would pay a lot of money for sex and still think his partner in the transaction was a worthless whore or because he'd seen her films and assumed porn sex = real life sex or some horrible amalgamation of the two.

However I'm not entirely convinced that she or In Touch aren't jazzing this up to make it even more gross than it was before, because "he was selfish and crude and lasted two minutes" doesn't generate anywhere near as many clicks as phrases like "most terrifying ever" and "piece of meat" etc. And I find the "kept 911 on emergency speed dial 2nd time around" a tad too much like a dramatic embellishment. Or is it a detail to weird not to be true.

I have no doubt he was a shitty sex partner either way, and I can 100% believe he backed out on the agreed price. I don't know, I fully believe he is capable of doing exactly as described but I just can't rule out "ramp up maximum consensual awfulness" in tabloid "journalism".

Just imagine being a single, working mom who had to return to work after 6 weeks to pay the rent. Not a lot of sympathy here.

Yup that is a shitty situation. It doesn't mean that Anna's can't be as well.

Edited August 27, 2015 by Featherhat

[dillpickles]

That etonline article is bizarre. Who was at your table at Christmas? The mother and father who let their daughters be molested for five years. Is this news to you?

I could honestly see this as Jessa. Hell, maybe she honestly thought her older brother changed from his younger days. After all, he got married... and marriage was supposed to fix the problem. This was his only purpose, why throw it away on hookers?

We know that Josh has issues that prayer and marriage won't fix, but she was raised to believe that he was fixed. God forgave him, and he wasn't supposed to sin anymore, he apologized to the church! I actually don't see it as Amy, because I'm pretty sure nothing would suprise her after she found out about the first "mistake".

Don't quote me on this though, just my two cents.

[Missy Vixen]

Of course there would be.  The Duggars need to live in reality for once and recognize that it is not healthy for most marriages to be like this.  First of all, everyone hates feeling outside pressure to have kids or be a parent when they don't want to, and I can only assume that Josh is the same.  But the main thing is that the vast majority of married couples would never be able to sexually bond under these conditions!  How is Josh supposed to feel a deep sexual intimacy with his wife if every time he cums he feels niggling sense of stress and anxiety that it will produce another child he neither wants nor can afford? 

Here's my damage with the above: If Josh Duggar is old enough to have sex, he's old enough to get his ass to a doctor's office, investigate methods of birth control, and USE THEM. He's too damn lazy to do any of the above. After all, he wouldn't want to actually have to make an appointment, get himself there, bla bla bla. We won't even discuss the argument with Anna when he told her that they would be using birth control for the time being, because (again) he didn't have the guts to be honest with anyone in his life!

 

Seriously -- how many more excuses are we all going to make for this brain-dead oaf? Again: If he's old enough to have sex (and does not want the consequences of another baby), he should have taken himself to the doctor or at the very least, learned to pull out! No matter how embarrassing it was to admit that he didn't actually KNOW about something, the doctor's office would have provided him with condoms, instruction on how to use them, or asked for Anna to visit with him so that SHE could use an undetectable-to-their-parents method like Depo-Provera. If Anna insisted on not using birth control, he had other options as well. Like jerking off in the shower. I'm sorry to be so gross, but Jesus H. Christ, how old is he? He bears SOME responsibility for his behavior, does he not?

 

He's already shown he doesn't believe in his parents' religion by his actions, but he is too much of a coward to actually DO SOMETHING about the perma-pregnancies. According to the porn star he allegedly slept with, he didn't use protection there, either. Does he think it's less sinful to NOT use a condom? What the hell is wrong with him, besides the fact he's an immature child? And I don't give him one bit of slack for his upbringing. MOST people didn't have a great childhood. By the time you're 27 and have impregnated your wife for the fourth time -- let alone whoever it is he was screwing on the side -- it might be a good idea to grow up. Just a bit.

[Churchhoney]

 

He's already shown he doesn't believe in his parents' religion by his actions, but he is too much of a coward to actually DO SOMETHING about the perma-pregnancies. According to the porn star he allegedly slept with, he didn't use protection there, either. Does he think it's less sinful to NOT use a condom? What the hell is wrong with him, besides the fact he's an immature child? And I don't give him one bit of slack for his upbringing. MOST people didn't have a great childhood. By the time you're 27 and have impregnated your wife for the fourth time -- let alone whoever it is he was screwing on the side -- it might be a good idea to grow up. Just a bit.

 

Honestly, with the whole Duggar family, starting with Jim Bob and Michelle and moving down through Josh and the other kids (oh, heck, starting with Grandma, really, come to think of it), I have no idea what combination of factors lies behind their behavior.

 

The roots of stuff they do must be some mix of "s/he actually believes in the 'principles' of her/his faith/ideology" "s/he's too childish, immature and weak to act on what s/he really believes -- or is questioning -- instead of what the Duggar tradition has been," and "s/he doesn't really believe anything but acts entirely out of various neuroses, other sick psychological tics and just plain rottenness."

 

Every time I think one of these predominates with somebody, something else happens and I change my mind. For stupid, ignorant, shallow, ridiculous people, their behavior certainly is challenging to understand.

[Anne Elk]

I think I'm one of the few people here who actually 100% believes that Josh would be scary and violent towards a porn star he's paying to have sex with. I can absolutely see him calling her a whore and a slut and a million other horrible names while paying her for sex. 

 

Josh doesn't want to live the Gothard life, but I'm pretty sure he still believes in the main points they always touch on: the gays are evil and/or pedophiles, abortion is the actual worst thing ever, birth control is a tool of the devil, women are sinful temptresses unless they're following all of Gothard's rules on grooming and modesty aaaaaand talking with baby-voices, etc. etc. etc. 

 

I don't think he's doing these things and becoming guilt-ridden...I think Josh genuinely considers himself above the rules. And why wouldn't he? His parents have given him a get-out-of-jail-free-card since he was a teenager fondling his as young as 5 years old sisters. He's probably upset when he gets caught, but I don't think Josh actually intends to change his ways. I think he intends to put on a good face for the Gothardite world (since he owes pretty much his fame and fortune to the fundy fanbase), go through rehab, and come out of it a much more sly and subtle Josh. 

 

I'll fully admit that this could be a wrong interpretation of his character, but he was slimy to me even in the early specials; he strikes me as a boy who knows what he can get away with and doesn't care who he hurts unless it affects himself. He's willing to play by Gothard rules because Gothard rules have given him what he's gotten so far, and because he genuinely believes in all of the teachings that don't apply to him, but he doesn't strike me as someone who feels sorry for his actions, ever.

 

I can absolutely see the Josh Duggar that I think he is being the Josh Duggar that is described by the porn star he slept with.

 

You may very well be right. I admit, most of the reason I think there is more to him is that I think it's more interesting that way. There's no way anyone really knows what's going on in his head and what his motivations are, possibly not even Josh himself. Certainly, someone who can live that kind of hidden life while married, a father of four, working in politics, making frequent visits to his fundamentalist parents, and having his life filmed for reality television is someone who is capable of quite an enormous level of deception. 

 

Regardless of who he is today, I think the seeds for that were sown growing up in that house. When even normal, everyday thoughts are considered to be damning sins, you either sublimate completely or you learn how to be an excellent liar. Or both.

[HundFan]

http://gizmodo.com/the-fembots-of-ashley-madison-1726670394

 

This article is a great tutorial for a naif like me. Two weeks ago, I probably would have guessed Ashley Madison was an upscale store selling linens from Provence. 

[Marigold]

Just got back on here. My computer was jammed.

I knew he would be shipped off asap to some lame pray it away place. Nothing wrong with prayers but he needs trained professionals. 

I am so not surprised that he paid for some action. So not surprised he was really rough. Josh has anger issues. I think he secretly rages that he is stuck in a lifestyle he hates. 

I am surprised Anna and Josh were in some mountain house alone? I think that were trapped in the TTH. Not sure I believe the mountain house story. Jim Bob is too controlling to let him be alone. 

[JoanArc]

I had another long day, but everyone's posts are GREAT. I saw this great idea for a spinoff that saves the franchise:

 

 

Josh: Who are you talking to right now? Who is it you think you see? Do you know how much side pussy I get in a year? I mean, even if I told you, you wouldn't believe it. Do you know what would happen if I suddenly decided to stop going into work? A business big enough that it could headline an entire cable channel goes belly up! Disappears! It ceases to exist without me. No, you clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in. I am not in danger, Anna. I am the danger! A guy opens his door and sees a porn star and you think that of me? No. I am the one who knocks up!

Edited August 27, 2015 by JoanArc

[wovenloaf]

Here's my damage with the above: If Josh Duggar is old enough to have sex, he's old enough to get his ass to a doctor's office, investigate methods of birth control, and USE THEM. He's too damn lazy to do any of the above. After all, he wouldn't want to actually have to make an appointment, get himself there, bla bla bla. We won't even discuss the argument with Anna when he told her that they would be using birth control for the time being, because (again) he didn't have the guts to be honest with anyone in his life!

 

Seriously -- how many more excuses are we all going to make for this brain-dead oaf? Again: If he's old enough to have sex (and does not want the consequences of another baby), he should have taken himself to the doctor or at the very least, learned to pull out! No matter how embarrassing it was to admit that he didn't actually KNOW about something, the doctor's office would have provided him with condoms, instruction on how to use them, or asked for Anna to visit with him so that SHE could use an undetectable-to-their-parents method like Depo-Provera. If Anna insisted on not using birth control, he had other options as well. Like jerking off in the shower. I'm sorry to be so gross, but Jesus H. Christ, how old is he? He bears SOME responsibility for his behavior, does he not?

 

He's already shown he doesn't believe in his parents' religion by his actions, but he is too much of a coward to actually DO SOMETHING about the perma-pregnancies. According to the porn star he allegedly slept with, he didn't use protection there, either. Does he think it's less sinful to NOT use a condom? What the hell is wrong with him, besides the fact he's an immature child? And I don't give him one bit of slack for his upbringing. MOST people didn't have a great childhood. By the time you're 27 and have impregnated your wife for the fourth time -- let alone whoever it is he was screwing on the side -- it might be a good idea to grow up. Just a bit.

AMEN! To all this!

[Joe Jitsu913]

'Puddin' is a very Southern, very Texas thing to say. I remember hearing that expression a lot when I lived there as a child.

[LilyoftheValley]

The thing of it is, is that Josh cannot use birth control without his entire social circle being viciously down on him.  I completely agree that adults do need to make their own decisions, but I think that sometimes those of us from normal backgrounds forget a little just how fucked up Josh's life is.  He and Anna can't stop having kids or else they risk being completely ostracized from all of their friends and family (well Anna at least has one cool sibling). Breaking away from your social support is much harder than many here understand.  Of course it can be done, but there is a reason why almost all Amish kids return after their Rumspringa; it is simply too hard to make it in the world without support.  To me, the children of this cult are in a horrible position.  On the one hand, no doubt many of them (like all people) don't really want 10+ kids, but on the other hand, using birth control is an affront to God and is heinous thing to do in the eyes of their family and social group.  Telling Josh to just grow up and be his own person is easy for most of us to say.  Most of us might have a mom who would really like some grandbabies please, but other than that, modern people do not have family pressure to have a ton of kids.  To us, family planning is a private matter, and to Josh, family planning is a public matter.  He can't just go get condoms and solve his problem.  It just doesn't work that way.  It should of course, but in Josh's world doing something like that would be the end of his position in his entire social group.  That is pretty damn hard thing to do.  

[3 is enough]

 

I've got a question for those who say that Josh didn't want to live the Gothard life. Do you think he knew before Anna and the kids that he didn't want the Gothard life but went along with it because of JB/Michelle and the TLC gravy train or do you think he started experiencing the crushing responsibility of a zillion kids and maybe adding to that the move to DC and suddenly being around less fundamentalist people and he realized he didn't think this was such a great life.

I think he thought he wanted the life at the beginning, albeit without 19 kids, and after a few years and a couple of kids the novelty wore off.  Then going to Washington and meeting people outside the circle he just felt more and more trapped.  I think the first Ashley Madison account was opened in 2011?  So probably after Michael was born- he started to think, "oh crap, this shit is getting REAL", and he started panicking and ramped up from the porn.

 

The signs that he wasn't totally on board with his parents' lifestyle were there: the big screen tv, the fact that he kept saying 2 or 3 kids would be fine.  When the FRC came calling it must have been a dream come true.

 

I think he really did love Anna, but in the real world she would have been his high school sweetheart, he would have outgrown her, and always remembered her fondly.  But with 4 kids he could not leave.

 

Should he have insisted on birth control?  Of course.  But at the end of the day, we don't know what really was going through his head, what was really going on at home when the cameras were off, or how much he parents and the cult messed him up. That doesn't excuse his cheating, and don't even get me started on the molestation, but I think this is a really screwed up individual.

 

I always had a bit of a soft spot for Josh.  His smugness, sanctimoniousness, and politics made me see red, but he is the same age as my daughter, and I couldn't help comparing their lives. While he was getting married, she was away at university, when he had 2 kids, she was starting medical school, when Joshgate I broke, she was graduating, moving in with her fiance, and getting ready to start her residency. She is getting married in the spring, they are very happy, and have no plans to start a family any time soon.  I think that is the type of life Josh really wanted, and it is so sad that his parents were so indoctrinated in the cult that the possibility that any of their children wanted a different life never occurred to them.

Edited August 28, 2015 by 3 is enough

[kalamac]

As an avid comic book fan, I hear puddin' and it makes me think of Harley Quinn and The Joker.

I'd rather not have those thoughts tainted by Josh.

[Fuzzysox]

I had another long day, but everyone's posts are GREAT. I saw this great idea for a spinoff that saves the franchise:

 

 

Josh: Who are you talking to right now? Who is it you think you see? Do you know how much side pussy I get in a year? I mean, even if I told you, you wouldn't believe it. Do you know what would happen if I suddenly decided to stop going into work? A business big enough that it could headline an entire cable channel goes belly up! Disappears! It ceases to exist without me. No, you clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in. I am not in danger, Anna. I am the danger! A guy opens his door and sees a porn star and you think that of me? No. I am the one who knocks up!

I can see Boob pushing Josh into another reality show once he is done with bible camp err I mean rehab. Easy money and he can psuh Josh to further push their ministry err I mean his repentance.

[HeyNow]

I had another long day, but everyone's posts are GREAT. I saw this great idea for a spinoff that saves the franchise:

 

 

Josh: Who are you talking to right now? Who is it you think you see? Do you know how much side pussy I get in a year? I mean, even if I told you, you wouldn't believe it. Do you know what would happen if I suddenly decided to stop going into work? A business big enough that it could headline an entire cable channel goes belly up! Disappears! It ceases to exist without me. No, you clearly don't know who you're talking to, so let me clue you in. I am not in danger, Anna. I am the danger! A guy opens his door and sees a porn star and you think that of me? No. I am the one who knocks up!

 

 

Yowza.  And for some reason, I keep hearing this in Donald Trump's voice....

[FakeJoshDuggar]

It baffles me why (other than her religion dictates it) Anna would stay. Her husband was trolling for women and sleeping with God knows how many of them almost from the get go of their marriage. That's not the sign of a happily married man. His life with Anna was what was expected of him his secret actions was the life he wanted. All of that is not going to magically change. It really does break my heart for all of them, especially the kids. One day they will learn how to Google.

[Granny58]

Yes and no.  The thing is that looking at porn and wanting casual sex without always making babies is a totally normal thing for a man in his 20's to want.  If he "turns his life around" then all that means is that he is conforming to the life his parents picked for him, a life he repeatedly said he did not want.  Josh is a turd, don't get me wrong.  But I must think that most normal guys in his position would find sex with his wife to be stressful and perhaps not all that pleasurable at this point.  I am sure it was at first, but now he is 27 with four kids, and he clearly does not want anymore kids, but he is compelled to have even more if he wants to have sex with his wife.  The whole thing is just really messed up.  The Duggars clearly thought that "steady pussy" would tame Josh.  Well steady pussy leads to steady babies, and Josh doesn't want steady babies.  The whole lifestyle is simply not suited to who Josh his.  The Duggars, total shit parents that they are, raised the child they wanted instead of the child they had.  Josh does not need to go to some faith-based rehab, he just needs to live a life itself that is not faith-based.  I never thought I would have any sympathy for this hypocritical turd, but here I am.  

Dare I say it?  "Free Josh?"  Never thought I would, but I can see it.  

Edited August 28, 2015 by Granny58

[JoanArc]

 

Free Josh

He couldn't even give it away for free.

[Churchhoney]

I can see Boob pushing Josh into another reality show once he is done with bible camp err I mean rehab. Easy money and he can psuh Josh to further push their ministry err I mean his repentance.

 

Oh, no. So much bad in one (all too possible) scenario. Boob still pushing the same stupid crap. Boob still running Josh's life as Josh gets older and older and older. Duggars still making money off their unearned celebrity. Josh still being a robot following the Duggar way. Duggars still influencing idiots to think that their way of life is great. Duggars still on television. Josh still on television. Worst of all -- maybe Boob still on television.

 

Make it go away.

[OhioMom]

Don't leave the party is just starting!

I'm waiting for the big announcement that Bristol Palen's baby is Josh's. And Famy crying that her wedding thunder has been stolen because of it.

She would have to get in line behind Jessa-Blessa....whose pregnancy and childbirth can't be made into a TV special  now.

[Julia]

She would have to get in line behind Jessa-Blessa....whose pregnancy and childbirth can't be made into a TV special  now.

 

Although, you know - and mods please tell me if I'm too far afield and I'll move it - it looks as if the Duggar girls were offered their place in the sun for pretending that their family was what it was supposed to be, and they were well and truly screwed. Not that I think that they should have been rewarded for being part of (what my mom used to call) a snare and a delusion. Just that they gave up unimaginable levels of self-respect to get the prize they never got near.

[becca3891]

Quoting becca3891 the old fashioned way, because IPads are rough with the quoting thing...

"I can easily believe Josh having a double standard where he feels contemptuous toward strippers and prostitutes and sees them as unworthy of respect."

No double standard. He has no respect for women, period.

The more I hear about this guy, the more I'm thinking full-on pathology, not just a perpetual adolescent acting out.

Well, by double standard, I really meant the "men will be men but women seeking out sex deserve scorn" mentality. Obviously we're not inside his head.

I took that to mean - does my father come here often?  Or my father recommended this place- you know who he is.  Honestly, no joking.  Otherwise he would have said - do you know my show, my family, my mother and siblings?  

I took it to mean, "Don't you know we're famous? So give me special treatment." I don't like Boob but doubt he had anything to do with the strip club. If this little story is even true. It was only from an anonymous comment at the end of an article.

 

No kidding? I didn't know that.

 

So what exactly did their version of Jesus die for?

Gothard doesn't actually say you can't adopt, but he does say there are "generational sins" and you won't know what you're getting into when you adopt as far as what the child is cursed with. Thankfully, I think it's one of his teachings that many of his followers don't take too seriously.

[Julia]

Gothard doesn't actually say you can't adopt, but he does say there are "generational sins" and you won't know what you're getting into when you adopt as far as what the child is cursed with. Thankfully, I think it's one of his teachings that many of his followers don't take too seriously.

 

Thanks for letting me know what's up with that. 

 

That (as written) is seriously contemptible. I mean, it's heretical and spitting in Jesus' face and so wrong I can't begin to say why, but damn, that's seriously contemptible.

[JoanArc]

 

Gothard doesn't actually say you can't adopt, but he does say there are "generational sins" and you won't know what you're getting into when you adopt as far as what the child is cursed with. Thankfully, I think it's one of his teachings that many of his followers don't take too seriously.

Josh proves that genetics is a crapshoot too.

[SmallTownMom]

Has anybody watched the clip of Josh and Anna that was just posted on the Pickles & Hairspray FB page?

 

Josh talking about being pure (after he molested his sisters).

 

The 2 of them sharing a pickle, just LOL.

 

Riding a carousel together.  It was like some sort of stupid commercial, like maybe for a feminine hygiene product.

 

I've seen pics of them kissing and Anna (with her eyes open) giving the "thumbs up" sign.  I wouldn't be too anxious to kiss him anymore.  We all know where that mouth has been.

[dillpickles]

I've seen pics of them kissing and Anna (with her eyes open) giving the "thumbs up" sign. I wouldn't be too anxious to kiss him anymore. We all know where that mouth has been.

Bleh. I can't even imagine Josh putting his *mouth* anywhere. Oh god pass the brain bleach.

[melanie]

I still get sick thinking about him singing to Anna at the wedding.  I think that was JB's idea, but it was so weird and uncomfortable that I could not even watch it.  

[JenCarroll]

That etonline article is bizarre. Who was at your table at Christmas? The mother and father who let their daughters be molested for five (eta: two. sorry) years. Is this news to you?

Well see, the Christmas quote is why I think it's more likely to be Amy. Why would Jessa say, "Who is this guy we spent Christmases with and thought we knew..." I mean, she lived with Josh. She spent every day with him. Also, I really think Jessa is too afraid of Jim Bob to be quite that harsh about Josh.

But we won't know unless/until one of them owns up to it. Hell, maybe it was Jackson and Hannie. :-)

[cheatincheetos]

Plus - and I pour bleach as I type this - he may have heard that a condom lessened his little "Jim Smithson's" enjoyment.

"Ribbed for her pleasure" isn't patriarchal enough. It should only be his pleasure, after all.

[Wok Chop]

Last week sometime, someone called him "Pudding Boy" (sorry, don't remember who, to attribute it to the right source). I thought that was HILARIOUS - because here in the south (maybe everywhere, not sure), we have a habit of throwing the label "Puddin'" to a distinct class of people. A little lazy, a little dim, a little soft. For example, if some random guy said, "I don't know how to change a tire, I never had to before", some other random guy would give him a the "look" and respond, "well, come on, and I'll show you, Puddin'". Emphasis on the Pud. I meant to post: Lets PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE start calling him Puddin!!!!

LOL That was me. I am a Yankee who has never heard someone be referred to as "puddin"! I came up with the term "puddin-y" to describe a certain type of person--someone who is pale, unhealthy looking, and soft/flaccid-looking..like a bowl of vanilla pudding. My daughter and I use it all the time, and I didn't know it was a thing in the South! Maybe I have some Southern hiding in me somewhere! All this time I thought my heritage was mostly a combination of Puritan and German Catholic. :P On the other hand, I hate sweet tea...

[cheatincheetos]

Some abstinence-only programs teach that condoms are essentially useless at preventing disease. So Josh may have figured it wouldn't make any difference. 

Yes, our evangelical church had speakers promoting that scare tactic back in the early 90s. What they really didn't want was any sex ed in public schools. This link covers the argument:

 

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1178/can-hiv-pass-through-the-pores-in-latex-condoms

[murf1013]

I'm ready for this family to just go away. Every day things just get worse and worse. And I don't know who I think holds the most blame. Boob and MEchelle ... who did nothing when their oldest son started presenting as a sexual deviant. Josh ... for being a child molester and cheater. Jill and Jessa ... for defending the person who molested them. Or their entire "religion" who failed everyone.

Ugh!

[Absolom]

 

I think that were trapped in the TTH. Not sure I believe the mountain house story.

I read the mountain house story and wanted to know where in the mountains they were.  Further reading revealed it was the Siloam Springs house they were writing about.  Siloam Springs doesn't look like it's in the mountains.  It's the bank repo house Josh bought last winter.

[Blondeone21]

Josh could sneak out, but he'd have to walk. Town looks really disorienting, everything is ranch style.

I don't think Josh understands that he is 27 years old, an adult. He can walk out of there anytime he wants. He is about 3-4 blocks away from a bus stop. He is also about 2 blocks away from a fantastic restaurant! He has his own money and can go wherever he wants. I just can't feel sorry for him. He allows JB to run his life.

Nice to see fellow Rockford people on here. I have been on many message boards/forums and have never come across another from here lol.

Also, as far as I know North Love Church is as close to what the Duggars believe as you can get around here.

[Happyfatchick]

d

I'm a southern transplant from the north, I never knew this and I'm pretty sure I've been called puddin!

Me too, southern transplant from the north, about 40 years in the deep south and I've never even heard that expression!!

It's entirely possible that this is familial and not common to the area in general. There's nary a person in my family tree that hasn't gotten the "look" and a "Puddin" at some point.

Does this admission mean we can't call Josh that? That would be a shame. It's so fitting.

ETA: I read your post Wok Chop - EXACTLY!!! Vanilla pudding - no personality, no consistency, no texture (but maybe a little lumpy) = Josh Duggar. WC, you made it up and landed in the same place! How awesome is that? I hate sweet tea, too, and I won't eat watermelon, raw tomato, boiled peanuts or collards either. I know, right? And they still let me live here!

Edited August 28, 2015 by Happyfatchick

[Jusagirlintheworld]

Gothard doesn't actually say you can't adopt, but he does say there are "generational sins" and you won't know what you're getting into when you adopt as far as what the child is cursed with. Thankfully, I think it's one of his teachings that many of his followers don't take too seriously.

Does that mean that the church perceives Josh's children to be "tainted" by his sins? Poor Anna.

[Henri205]

Hi, all. Recently discovered this blog and thanks for so many interesting, insightful posts. I ignored the Duggars but since the scandals, I must admit I'm almost obsessed. It's like a really good disaster movie with great special effects, and you have to keep watching.

I looked at the site for the Jesus Slave Labor Camp that now houses Josh. Lovely. And pray away the troubles, I'm sure that'll work.

But going back a bit earlier in the thread, I just don't buy Josh going to strip clubs in Arkansas and referencing Jim Boob. First, how did he get out of the house without a chaperone? My familiarity with the show is limited, so maybe escape was possible for the males since they seem to have been treated in a preferential manner.

Any info is appreciated. I looked at the Google for strip clubs/Josh but nothing really.

Do you guys really buy the hooker story? I LOVE it in general as I'm enjoying the downfall of such a bunch of hypocritical scolds but I doubt it's true.

Finally, the odds are that one of these Duggars is gay. Have you guys started a lottery? My gaydar went off on one, I'll have compare pics to names and will post.

Thanks again for tons of entertainment. Take care, and snaps to the moderators.

[AmyFarrahFowler]

Rehab is either going to teach Joshie to be far more careful or cause him to completely break with Gothard and his parents. No way he'll be  good little Duggar ever again... I hope He gets to a real addiction specialist (if that's what he needs) and gets useful help.

Really though, was he ever? I had a friend growing up that had a molester for a brother. Dude was always a sneaky little weirdo from the word go. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Joshy were too.

[BitterApple]

MK from DListed called Josh the "Pillsbury Dough Douche." If that isn't the most epic nickname I don't know what is.

[LilyoftheValley]

I don't think Josh understands that he is 27 years old, an adult. He can walk out of there anytime he wants. He is about 3-4 blocks away from a bus stop. He is also about 2 blocks away from a fantastic restaurant! He has his own money and can go wherever he wants. I just can't feel sorry for him. He allows JB to run his life.

Nice to see fellow Rockford people on here. I have been on many message boards/forums and have never come across another from here lol.

Also, as far as I know North Love Church is as close to what the Duggars believe as you can get around here.

But isn't that the whole idea behind no education?  Josh is totally enmeshed with his father.  It is an unhealthy, co-dependent relationship, but this is what they look like.  Josh has no independent personhood of his own.  Josh has to do as daddy says, or else he is just a loser with nothing going for him.  Josh has no education and no real work skills.  How can he support four kids without the help of his father?  The answer is that he can't; he is totally trapped with no way out but to "please" his father.  Wow, well it took a week but damn if I am not coming around to feeling a bit sorry for this little turd.  Josh himself knew he was not cut out for all this, so why did his parents force him?  Was it really worth it?  

[cocobeans]

I'm a southern transplant from the north, I never knew this and I'm pretty sure I've been called puddin!

Aww, bless your heart!

 

LOL

[bigskygirl]

I think Josh was enjoying the attention he got while he was in Washington D.C. because he got away from the family and was his own person so to speak. He made money by selling his family religious beliefs to the masses. The sad fact was he was a small fish in the big political pond. In some ways he is his father's son. JB acts like he is the be all, end all in the Gothard world, and Josh acts the same way. Would he ended up the way he did if his parents were not famewhores, had less children, and the egos the size of Montana, Alaska, Texas and California combined? In my opinion, I say the chances would have been the same. Of course having a father who said he was abused by his own father because said father was not spiritual enough to please his son, and a mother who is addicted to giving birth and praying to God to able to love her children could cause any child to end up with emotional problems.

[Honeycocoa]

Welcome Henri205!

 

Finally, the odds are that one of these Duggars is gay. Have you guys started a lottery? My gaydar went off on one, I'll have compare pics to names and will post.

 

Actually we try to leave that one alone.... May I recommend the 19 Questions and Counting  thread?

 

Odds are, there's a gay Duggar or two? Who do you think it is?

Even if the odds are correct and there's a gay Duggar or two, there's no good that can come from speculation.  If you're the "gay Duggar", do you think the public speculation would be helpful?  Do you think it would make your parents more or less scrutinizing of your behavior?  Yeah.  That's why it's best to leave it alone.  The kids didn't get themselves into this family or on this show and, unless they give their permission to film an engagement, courtship, honeymoon, wedding night, and births on tv, we have no business putting it on front street.  That's why we have TFDW. :) [Note from mod: Forum policy is not to speculate about sexual orientation in children under 18 years old.  The adults are fair game--Rhondinella]

 

Pretty sure it's not Josh, though.....

[TheFinalRose]

I think we cannot discount how fame and fortune motivates the entire Duggar family. It makes no sense that J'Boob and ME'Shell Of A Human Being would make a statement about sending their grown adult son off to rehab, unless they were fighting to save the family image so that they can GET BACK ON TELEVISION. They are on the cover of this week's People, recounting how they have all survived, post-molestation scandal. In it they reiterate their anger at whoever in law enforcement released the records. There is even a little sidebar with Josh and Anna looking lovingly at each other. They were all working it to affect public opinion ... the public opinion that got them tossed off of tv. Sucks for them that the Ashley Madison scandal broke before the Put the Duggars Back on TeeVee groundswell could official start to swell.  

 

All of these children, on the surface, have gone along and replicated their parents' lifestyle simply because to their ignorant, sheltered, inexperienced brains, their parents lifestyle has brought them all great fame and fortune.  (They don't understand that half of the ratings are people tuning in to ogle a freak show). They are CELEBRITIES first and foremost now. The girls all want a wedding special, their children's births filmed, the cover of US and People, etc. We don't know how much pressure and competition there is amongst them to be featured on television. So it's hard to tell if they are replicating their parents lifestyle because they truly desire it, or merely because marriage and babies, right now, gets them their own very special episodes.  Kind of like if a tree falls in a forest .... if you have 20 babies but no one is filming it is it still worth having 20 babies? Is it fun anymore if no one is filming it? I doubt it.

 

Also, does anyone think that Josh also might have confessed to his parents that he picked up a filthy and evil drinking habit? And that is what they have zeroed in on as the root cause of the problem and hence off to the drug and alcohol rehab center?  Because I cannot imagine that Josh will do hookers and porn but draw the line at booze?  Nah. 

 

He is also about 2 blocks away from a fantastic restaurant!

 

 

 

Just out of curiosity, what is the fantastic restaurant in Rockford? 

 

[Almost 3000]

Hi, all. Recently discovered this blog and thanks for so many interesting, insightful posts. I ignored the Duggars but since the scandals, I must admit I'm almost obsessed. It's like a really good disaster movie with great special effects, and you have to keep watching.

I looked at the site for the Jesus Slave Labor Camp that now houses Josh. Lovely. And pray away the troubles, I'm sure that'll work.

But going back a bit earlier in the thread, I just don't buy Josh going to strip clubs in Arkansas and referencing Jim Boob. First, how did he get out of the house without a chaperone? My familiarity with the show is limited, so maybe escape was possible for the males since they seem to have been treated in a preferential manner.

Any info is appreciated. I looked at the Google for strip clubs/Josh but nothing really.

Do you guys really buy the hooker story? I LOVE it in general as I'm enjoying the downfall of such a bunch of hypocritical scolds but I doubt it's true.

Finally, the odds are that one of these Duggars is gay. Have you guys started a lottery? My gaydar went off on one, I'll have compare pics to names and will post.

Thanks again for tons of entertainment. Take care, and snaps to the moderators.

I would take great caution on speculating and posting about which Duggar might be gay because in this culture the chances of them being suspected of this would get them into more trouble than Josh is in right now.

 

eta: What Honeycocoa said. :)

Edited August 28, 2015 by Almost 3000

[Sew Sumi]

@TheFinalRose None of the Duggars were interviewed for the lastest People in which they featured all of the couples in "how they're doing" vignettes. They were quoted from old interviews and social media. The only new material in those blurbs came from the "insider source." Even Famy's remarks were things she'd already said on social media between Joshgate I and the time People went to press, before Joshgate II. 

 

That the Duggars refused to be interviewed regarding Joshgate is mentioned around here somewhere, probably the media thread. People has since "turned" on the Duggars. 

 

Back to Josh. It's all his fault. Frankly, I can't begin to imagine what he must be feeling about bringing down his family's empire. That is, IF he has a conscience. This point is certainly up for debate. I wonder just how much of a choice he really had to go to this "rehab" place (can't wait to see the livestream tomorrrow - Friday - night. Joshie will be sitting there amongst the dry drunks and crackheads), and how much of this was JB's doing? To be honest, I doubt Josh had much, if any, autonomy in the Duggar fold after Joshgate I. After Joshgate II, I can imagine that his parents and adult siblings, maybe aside from Josiah, rightly think he's scum. 

 

Anna? I can't begin to imagine what she's going through. Part of me really does feel sorry for her; she was the perfect fundie daughter and wife. And being that perfectly submissive creature came back to bite her in the ass. She had examples of women in her family who had left, so she stayed by choice. Certainly, a comfortable choice until now. I doubt it will happen, but I hope she is able to spend time with Daniel, Rebekah, and Suze while Joshie is locked away, and without the prying eyes and ears of other Duggars. She needs more points of view than the "counsel" the Duggars say she is receiving. We all know exactly what THAT entails... 

 

Counting the hours until that livestream...

[Quilt Fairy]

I used to know a gal who graduated from North Love.  She and her twin sister were 25% of their graduating class of 8 people.  Shortly thereafter, their dad ran off with a woman he met at Bible study.

Since we've already had one Breaking Bad reference, let me just say this reminds me of when Jesse got out of rehab and went to AA/NA meetings to sell meth.

[HundFan]

I read the mountain house story and wanted to know where in the mountains they were.  Further reading revealed it was the Siloam Springs house they were writing about.  Siloam Springs doesn't look like it's in the mountains.  It's the bank repo house Josh bought last winter.

 

The house is built on mountains - of lies.

[cmr2014]

I think we cannot discount how fame and fortune motivates the entire Duggar family. It makes no sense that J'Boob and ME'Shell Of A Human Being would make a statement about sending their grown adult son off to rehab, unless they were fighting to save the family image so that they can GET BACK ON TELEVISION. They are on the cover of this week's People, recounting how they have all survived, post-molestation scandal. In it they reiterate their anger at whoever in law enforcement released the records. There is even a little sidebar with Josh and Anna looking lovingly at each other. They were all working it to affect public opinion ... the public opinion that got them tossed off of tv. Sucks for them that the Ashley Madison scandal broke before the Put the Duggars Back on TeeVee groundswell could official start to swell.  

 

All of these children, on the surface, have gone along and replicated their parents' lifestyle simply because to their ignorant, sheltered, inexperienced brains, their parents lifestyle has brought them all great fame and fortune.  (They don't understand that half of the ratings are people tuning in to ogle a freak show). They are CELEBRITIES first and foremost now. The girls all want a wedding special, their children's births filmed, the cover of US and People, etc. We don't know how much pressure and competition there is amongst them to be featured on television. So it's hard to tell if they are replicating their parents lifestyle because they truly desire it, or merely because marriage and babies, right now, gets them their own very special episodes.  Kind of like if a tree falls in a forest .... if you have 20 babies but no one is filming it is it still worth having 20 babies? Is it fun anymore if no one is filming it? I doubt it.

 

This is an interesting post that made me think of a lot of things that have sort of rattled around in the back of my brain:

 

I think that JB and J'chelle may regret sending Josh to this "rehab." Josh has never been outside of his parent's influence -- ever. Even when he was in DC, he was just a phone call away, there was a J'sibling "visiting" regularly, and Anna is a dyed in the wool Gothardite who would have reported immediately to HQ if she had been aware of Josh having strange thoughts about leaving the cult. He now has six months to think his own thoughts, and I find it hard to believe that at the end of this, he will be thinking "all I want is to go back to Arkansas and live under my father's unbrella for the next 20-30 years, and have another 12 kids."

 

I noticed that there were some questions on the intake form for the "rehab" center that might have produced some real insight except that 1) I'm sure that JB and J'chelle filled out the form for him, and 2) there are no trained professionals on the staff. There were a number of questions, though, about "are you closer to your mother or father?" "how may siblings do you have," etc.

 

I don't think that it ever occurred to JB and J'chelle that there children would develop some of the same problems as child actors (because they are such wonderful "Godly" parents,and have raised their children so well), but I think that all of the adult children have shown signs of having the same sorts of issues: we've heard that Jill and Jessa "want to remain in the public eye," but I think that this is affecting more of the children than just those two -- we're only hearing from the ones with social media accounts. Every public utterance from anyone in the family since May has absolutely reeked of desperation to stay on television. I don't think it's just the money, either, I think that they are all desperate for the attention.

 

I always thought that the Duggar scandal would break in 10-15 years -- long after the show went off the air -- as the feral younger children mature. I think I was optimistic, though. I now think that all of the children are really damaged. I think that Josh's sexual problems, Jill's Stage 5 Clingyness, Jessa's non-specific rage and brittle facade, and Jana and John David's personality-free lifestyle, are just the tip of the iceberg.

 

Finally, I agree with the posters who are saying that JB and J'chelle are going to crack down even tighter on the children at home. They do not appear to be capable of entertaining the thought that there might be anything -- any small thing -- wrong with the way that they are raising their children. I think that there response will be "we let Josh leave the 'unbrealla' of JB's protection, and look what happened!"