Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[crazycatlady58]

1 hour ago, FizzyPuff said:

I thought it was a poached egg 😂

Not much better.

[Nysha]

3 hours ago, crazycatlady58 said:

Honestly it looks pretty good except for the sour cream in the middle. 

That's because @iwantcookies left out the picture of the burnt round things with 2 cups of burnt grease JillRod poured into the soup pot.

[crazycatlady58]

3 minutes ago, Nysha said:

That's because @iwantcookies left out the picture of the burnt round things with 2 cups of burnt grease JillRod poured into the soup pot.

I thought it was a different picture from what Jill made. What I ( thought) I saw looked like a bowl of stew. Jill food looked like a hot mess. I guess I need to have my eyes checked. 

[mittsigirl]

[mittsigirl]

Couldn't add this to the above Christmas joke.

I wish everyone on this forum a very Merry and Happy Christmas season, and the best in the New Year. I appreciate having a place to discuss these wacky people on because nobody else in my life knows about them and I am too ashamed to admit that I do. Thanks for just being yourselves!!

[louannems]

Because we celebrated Christmas yesterday, and because I wake up at 4 am, I watched this video this morning.  It's about a typical week and schedule for Josh Duggar in his Washington county jail.  Including menus.  Enjoy!

411 Now. On YouTube. Josh Duggar's weekly schedule-whats for dinner

[ginger90]

The video:

 

 

[DXD526]

Enjoy culinary Wednesdays, Pest!!

[BetyBee]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

The video:

 

 

I don't think Josh is going to enjoy his stay there! He will like wearing flip flops, but not getting up at 4:30am. I doubt the jail is aware of Duggar time and what a challenge keeping to a schedule is for a Duggar! Being in protective custody probably gets pretty lonely. Getting strip searched every time you leave your cell doesn't sound like much fun. But I think the food sounds absolutely disgusting! 

[crazycatlady58]

Every day will feel like it is a week long.  I am afraid Josh will have a lot of built up anger when he gets out. The restrictions would be hard on anyone but he is used to being in control,  I know a lot of people feel J.B. is in control and he probably is but Josh has no control whatsoever and I don't think he will handle it well and he will take out his anger on people when he is released. I sort of hope he has a woman gaurd though. 

[SusanM]

Has there been anything put out there on Xmas 2021 in Duggarland?  I wondered, considering how avidly papers like the Daily Mail covered the trial, if they'd be doing  a follow up on Christmas in Jail for Duggar.

[Absolom]

The Sun published the jail Christmas dinner menu:  turkey and gravy, candied carrots, mashed potatoes, roll and margarine, and spice cake. 

[SusanM]

1 hour ago, Absolom said:

The Sun published the jail Christmas dinner menu:  turkey and gravy, candied carrots, mashed potatoes, roll and margarine, and spice cake. 

I found a few articles, none of them from particularly reputable papers BTW that, along with the menu, indicated that Josh was eating alone as he is in solitary for his own protection and also that he had no visitors.  I assume the no visitors rule meant in person, and seems to be the case for all the prisoners (if this is true) so he isn't being singled out with this.  

I wondered if the Duggars, being the Duggars, expected an exception to be made for them and thought they could have a Christmas at the Jail House with Josh.  Or do they feel it's better to keep their distance at this point?  I'll never figure out how their little fundie brains work but I did  expect Anna at least to post something about praying for her poor little hubby all alone for the holidays.

Edited December 26, 2021 by SusannahM

[GeeGolly]

I'm surprised the tabloids did current articles about Josh. I figured he'd be old news until his sentencing. With the exception of being mentioned in any Duggar related 'news'.

[jschoolgirl]

8 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm surprised the tabloids did current articles about Josh. I figured he'd be old news until his sentencing. With the exception of being mentioned in any Duggar related 'news'.

Well, it’s a slow news period right now.

[Zella]

33 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

I did  expect Anna at least to post something about praying for her poor little hubby all alone for the holidays.

I don't think Anna is the sharpest tack in the drawer, nor do I think she has accepted Josh's guilt, but I don't think she will ever post about Josh on social media again. The only post she's made since he was arrested was a very delayed announcement about Madyson's birth. I wouldn't be surprised if she never resumes the social media presence she once had. 

[Cinnabon]

7 minutes ago, Zella said:

I don't think Anna is the sharpest tack in the drawer, nor do I think she has accepted Josh's guilt, but I don't think she will ever post about Josh on social media again. The only post she's made since he was arrested was a very delayed announcement about Madyson's birth. I wouldn't be surprised if she never resumes the social media presence she once had. 

And thank dog for that!

[crazy8s]

If Anna never posted on social media again it would be a good thing. She has no chance of pulling off the nothing to see here type things some of the other Duggars are posting. Look at us having a 3 day trip to silver dollar city, look at this drone video of our peaceful TTH and land. Look at adult sister and brother coloring brown bags for christmas gifts, here is our home ready for the big christmas get together etc.

the negative blow back for sponsors will prevent partnerships, so that is probably out as well.

[Zella]

6 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

And thank dog for that!

One of the things I actually found most offensive about Anna is the way she continued to slobber over Josh on social media, so yeah, it really doesn't hurt my feelings to never read another post from her again about what a great husband, father, and provider he was. *gag* 

Just now, crazy8s said:

If Anna never posted on social media again it would be a good thing. She has no chance of pulling off the nothing to see here type things some of the other Duggars are posting. Look at us having a 3 day trip to silver dollar city, look at this drone video of our peaceful TTH and land. Look at adult sister and brother coloring brown bags for christmas gifts, here is our home ready for the big christmas get together etc.

the negative blow back for sponsors will prevent partnerships, so that is probably out as well.

Yep, and I think she knows as well as anyone that her comments will forever be slammed with people heckling her, asking about Josh, demanding her to answer for any number of things, some of them fair questions and others not. 

[Quilt Fairy]

From what I've read, all visiting is via a video link, which they could do from home.  I don't think we'll get any pictures of Anna and the M's on the jailhouse steps.  

ETA: A question for the lawyers.  Is there any advance notice of the sentencing date?  Where would that turn up, in the court calendar? 

Edited December 26, 2021 by Quilt Fairy

[BigBingerBro]

Is it possible that Anna still uses social media but only allows family and friends and not made it open to the public?

[emmawoodhouse]

5 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

Is it possible that Anna still uses social media but only allows family and friends and not made it open to the public?

She very well could have a private account under a family nickname so it isn't searchable by the unwashed masses.

[Minivanessa]

14 hours ago, Quilt Fairy said:

From what I've read, all visiting is via a video link, which they could do from home.  I don't think we'll get any pictures of Anna and the M's on the jailhouse steps.  

ETA: A question for the lawyers.  Is there any advance notice of the sentencing date?  Where would that turn up, in the court calendar? 

The sentencing hearing for Josh will be on the court's calendar [docket], which is a matter of public record. I don't think the court has yet scheduled that hearing.

Edited December 27, 2021 by Jeeves

[irisheyes]

1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

She very well could have a private account under a family nickname so it isn't searchable by the unwashed masses.

I wouldn’t be surprised if that is the case. She does have family spread all over who would be interested in pictures of the kids, so a private IG would make sense. People could search all they want, but if she doesn’t approve them, they won’t see anything. (I just hope her IG handle isn’t Joshy’s_Girl)

[iwantcookies]

Hope 7 Ms had a nice Xmas. 

[BetyBee]

9 hours ago, iwantcookies said:

Hope 7 Ms had a nice Xmas. 

Me too. Most of them are too young to understand what is going on and would be excited as usual for Christmas, so hopefully they did enjoy the day.

[Turquoise]

15 hours ago, Zella said:

I don't think Anna is the sharpest tack in the drawer, nor do I think she has accepted Josh's guilt, but I don't think she will ever post about Josh on social media again. The only post she's made since he was arrested was a very delayed announcement about Madyson's birth. I wouldn't be surprised if she never resumes the social media presence she once had. 

I know it never would have happened, but part of me can dream about seeing her "It's a great day..." board at Joshy's sentencing:
It's a great day for Josh to be going away for X years!

[merylinkid]

Hey everyone, I am sorry if I triggered anyone with how I was referring to Josh.   I just wanted to use the term often because of how his family tried to sweep it under the rug and act like its no big deal.   Now they can't do that and I wanted to remind everyone of that fact.   But I don't want to upset anyone on this board either (the Duggars can be upset all they want).  I won't do it again.  

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, BetyBee said:

Me too. Most of them are too young to understand what is going on and would be excited as usual for Christmas, so hopefully they did enjoy the day.

With the distraction of Christmas gone, I'm guessing this is when the hard reality starts to really settle in for everyone. 

I wonder if they'll tell the kids the 'truth' or at least something close to it. Even in their tight circle, there's no guarantee the kids won't catch wind of what happened in the next 5+ years. Whether it be from overhearing a conversation or glimpsing a tabloid headline in a store, I'm thinking they'll stumble upon it.

I hope for their sake, whatever they're are told now jibes with what they'll find out.

[Minivanessa]

9 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

With the distraction of Christmas gone, I'm guessing this is when the hard reality starts to really settle in for everyone. 

I wonder if they'll tell the kids the 'truth' or at least something close to it. Even in their tight circle, there's no guarantee the kids won't catch wind of what happened in the next 5+ years. Whether it be from overhearing a conversation or glimpsing a tabloid headline in a store, I'm thinking they'll stumble upon it.

I hope for their sake, whatever they're are told now jibes with what they'll find out.

That's an awfully hard situation for a family to handle even if they aren't in a cult. I'm no fan of Anna, but she's not the convicted felon who committed those crimes, and the kids are completely innocent but are going to live with the consequences of their father's deeds. I don't have much confidence in the adults in the M kids' lives handling this at all well as far as they are concerned. I wish I did.

[Jeanne222]

To me Anna is no innocent victim in all of this.  Her children will pay for what Josh did and what she allowed to happen and continue having children with this CMA.

I never looked and Anna made sure she was absent when the child pornography pictures, Josh was downloading, were shown to the jury.

Hide your head in the sand Anna but the truth is the truth!

Thousands of babies and young children molested for the self gratification of monster men.

When you think of Josh or Anna pray for those innocent victims!

 

Edited December 27, 2021 by Jeanne222

[quarks]

It can take years for family secrets to come out - as we just witnessed. But this isn't a secret, and I can't imagine that the oldest M kids, at least, haven't figured out something. They also seem to have access to Jackson, Tyler, the Lost Girls and Jessa's kids, who have almost certainly overheard at least some of the adult conversations and can pass on info; and some of those older kids may be able to access a computer and do a simple Google/Bing search. Whatever software system they have monitoring their usage won't provide that much protection. 

And of course, it's impossible not to notice that Josh is not physically around.

But I don't know if Anna is in any shape, mentally or physically, to have this conversation with her kids. So my hope is that one of the adult Duggarlings (or, I guess, Hilary Spivey) either has or will pull the three oldest M kids aside and say something more or less age appropriate, or that one of the M kids will go to an adult Duggarling and ask questions.  

But we're talking about Duggarlings here, so I'm not even remotely confident that this will happen.

 

[Zella]

29 minutes ago, quarks said:

(or, I guess, Hilary Spivey) 

I can't imagine Hilaria having a coherent, effective talk with them about this. 

Hilaria: "so you know your dad was in court?" 

M kids: "nobody is telling us anything!" 

Hilaria: "and nobody cared about my leopard print outfit! They acted like I was an intruder in the pictures!"

M kids: "but--"

Hilaria: "I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SMILED AT THE CAMERA IN ONE OF THE PICTURES!" 

[dariafan]

20 hours ago, Absolom said:

The Sun published the jail Christmas dinner menu:  turkey and gravy, candied carrots, mashed potatoes, roll and margarine, and spice cake. 

Do they have limited portions ?   Cause Joshy ain’t used to that 

[SJC]

12 minutes ago, Zella said:

Hilaria: "I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SMILED AT THE CAMERA IN ONE OF THE PICTURES!" 

Haha !

[quarks]

12 minutes ago, Zella said:

I can't imagine Hilaria having a coherent, effective talk with them about this. 

Hilaria: "so you know your dad was in court?" 

M kids: "nobody is telling us anything!" 

Hilaria: "and nobody cared about my leopard print outfit! They acted like I was an intruder in the pictures!"

M kids: "but--"

Hilaria: "I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SMILED AT THE CAMERA IN ONE OF THE PICTURES!" 

I mean, at least she'd be talking to them and giving them details!

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, Jeanne222 said:

To me Anna is no innocent victim in all of this.  Her children will pay for what Josh did and what she allowed to happen and continue having children with this CMA.

I never looked and Anna made sure she was absent when the child pornography pictures, Josh was downloading, were shown to the jury.

Hide your head in the sand Anna but the truth is the truth!

Thousands of babies and young children molested for the self gratification of monster men.

When you think of Josh or Anna pray for those innocent victims!

 

I used to work with incest/abuse victims and teens  , and many felt just as much rage toward their mothers who took their abusers’ sides as they did the actual abusers. When the M’s find out the truth (and some eventually will), i'm sure some will also judge their mother's actions.

Edited December 27, 2021 by Cinnabon

[crazy8s]

1 hour ago, quarks said:

. But this isn't a secret, and I can't imagine that the oldest M kids, at least, haven't figured out something. They also seem to have access to Jackson, Tyler, the Lost Girls and Jessa's kids, who have almost certainly overheard at least some of the adult conversations and can pass on info;

#sayingsofspurgeon to Dithy or Mason - "your dad's in jail!" ☹️

[Cinnabon]

40 minutes ago, Zella said:

I can't imagine Hilaria having a coherent, effective talk with them about this. 

Hilaria: "so you know your dad was in court?" 

M kids: "nobody is telling us anything!" 

Hilaria: "and nobody cared about my leopard print outfit! They acted like I was an intruder in the pictures!"

M kids: "but--"

Hilaria: "I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SMILED AT THE CAMERA IN ONE OF THE PICTURES!" 

I was on the Reddit Duggar sub last night and had forgotten about Hilaria’s leopard print ensemble until the posts there reminded me! 😆

Edited December 27, 2021 by Cinnabon

[Tikichick]

Strangely enough I could actually see Austin having the capability to have a decent conversation with Anna's kids, especially with the oldest ones.   No idea why but I have a hunch he might just be able to give them a reasonable explanation that is both truthful and doesn't venture into details in such a way to scar them with the enormity of the facts. 

As horrible as I find some of his beliefs I still find it encouraging how openly affectionate he is with his children, which isn't a given in their circles.   Somehow I feel he'd have it in himself to have the compassion to offer up some explanations he may see Anna's kids need, while having the sense and compassion not to bludgeon them with horrible information.   Maybe he has enough other outlets to share his repugnant side and can summon up all the molecules of his decency when really needed?

[FizzyPuff]

I think the most the M kids will be told is daddy has to go away for a while, if they say why it’ll either be ignored or they’ll be told something about Satan attacking Daddy.

[ElsieEm]

Wasn't someone in the family comparing Josh's "situation" to the apostle Paul being unfairly imprisoned? I'm sure whatever they told the kids is something like that, relating it to bible stories about God sending tests to make us stronger, people being persecuted for their faith etc etc

I don't think Anna would ever tell the kids that Daddy did something bad or that satan corrupted him or whatever, she'll make him a martyr and a hero... whether she actually believes that herself, I go back and forth.

[crazy8s]

I believe it was JB that was saying about the apostle paul. possibly this is one of the stories they refer to.

Paul and Silas were put in jail and beaten for praying and teach "wrong ideas" 

i think the Duggs might be praying for a Paul and Silas get out of jail by a miracle card for joshua. Not only would he be released, but convert non believers at the same time.

 

Acts 16:25

25 And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them.

26 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed.

27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.

28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.

29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,

30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.

33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.

34 And when he had brought them into his house, he set meat before them, and rejoiced, believing in God with all his house.

35 And when it was day, the magistrates sent the serjeants, saying, Let those men go.

36 And the keeper of the prison told this saying to Paul, The magistrates have sent to let you go: now therefore depart, and go in peace.

37 But Paul said unto them, They have beaten us openly uncondemned, being Romans, and have cast us into prison; and now do they thrust us out privily? nay verily; but let them come themselves and fetch us out.

38 And the serjeants told these words unto the magistrates: and they feared, when they heard that they were Romans.

39 And they came and besought them, and brought them out, and desired them to depart out of the city.

40 And they went out of the prison, and entered into the house of Lydia: and when they had seen the brethren, they comforted them, and departed.

[MargeGunderson]

The Duggars don’t seem big on personal responsibility - for themselves, that is. I doubt that the kids are getting even an age-appropriate explanation of what is happening with Josh. Consequences are for other people, not the Duggars.

[cmr2014]

I think that Anna is filled with rage right now.

She's done everything that she was supposed to do: she believed in the right Jesus; she was "joyfully available" to her husband at all times; she was as submissive as a dog; she popped out blessing after blessing; she monitored Josh's computer use (because men are completely unable to control themselves sexually), she's prayed and prayed.

I don't know who the rage is directed at: Josh, her kids, herself, her parents for getting her into this, Josh's parents for raising a monster, the government, evil heathen society at large, etc. It may be that it shifts from moment to moment.

I could be way off -- my opinion is based on her limited statements and the occasional photo with the rigid rictus smile.

I don't think that it would go over well for any family member to say anything to the M7. I think that this is one of the few moments in time when they're actually lucky to be in the mosh pit of the TTH and have all of those aunts and uncles and cousins around who aren't 30 seconds away from a complete breakdown.

[SusanM]

15 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

I think that Anna is filled with rage right now.

 

I wouldn't wish what she must be going through on my worst enemy.  That said I just cannot figure her out.  Does she genuinely believe Josh is the victim here or does she simply not care what he did?  Based on her demeanour at the trial I tend to think she believed whatever crap he was telling her - but after the trial? Still buying it?  I would really like to know if she's now had her eyes opened.  I doubt it somehow.

[Rootbeer]

I expect the M kids have been blanket trained to ask no questions and to take anything they are told at face value.  Mack is 12, the age when kids do start questioning their parents' rules, but we've seen how beaten down these kids become.  I expect all of the kids know better than to ask any questions at all about Josh or his whereabouts and, whatever Anna or JB (because I'll bet they're the only ones 'authorized' to mention Josh to the kids) says will be accepted at face value or that kid will be sent straight to the prayer closet.

These fundies do like to talk about porn, not exactly what it is, but that it is a sin and I could see them telling Mack and maybe Michael that bad people put porn on Daddy's computer in order to get him falsely accused and sent to jail, but I certainly don't think they have any inkling as to what it is really happened.  I doubt most kids would understand the concept of children being sexually abused and tortured and I have no problem with Anna and/or JB sparing the kids the harsh details.

[cmr2014]

14 minutes ago, SusannahM said:

I wouldn't wish what she must be going through on my worst enemy.  That said I just cannot figure her out.  Does she genuinely believe Josh is the victim here or does she simply not care what he did?  Based on her demeanour at the trial I tend to think she believed whatever crap he was telling her - but after the trial? Still buying it?  I would really like to know if she's now had her eyes opened.  I doubt it somehow.

I think that there are two things at work here:

1. All sin is equal in their eyes CSA porn and adult porn, and being disrespectful to your mother and murder are all the same. Plus, "Josh" didn't do anything wrong, "Satan" did. I think it's frustrating to Anna that we are all such godless heathens that we don't understand this simple concept.

2. I think that they all have very little/no empathy. I don't think that they're capable of putting themselves in someone else's shoes at all -- there may be some Gothard teaching that accounts for this. I don't think that Anna can imagine how she'd feel if she -- or one of her own children -- were abused. For what it's worth, I think that the people on this board spend more time imagining Josh's life in jail than she does. I think that all  the Duggars see this 100% through their own lens. JB sees this as a public humiliation of his family "brand." J'chelle sees this as a stain on her MOTY bona fides. Anna sees this as a public outing of her sexual inadequacies. I don't think any of them spend a lot of time worrying about how anyone else is feeling (much less the children).

[Tikichick]

45 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

I think that Anna is filled with rage right now.

She's done everything that she was supposed to do: she believed in the right Jesus; she was "joyfully available" to her husband at all times; she was as submissive as a dog; she popped out blessing after blessing; she monitored Josh's computer use (because men are completely unable to control themselves sexually), she's prayed and prayed.

I don't know who the rage is directed at: Josh, her kids, herself, her parents for getting her into this, Josh's parents for raising a monster, the government, evil heathen society at large, etc. It may be that it shifts from moment to moment.

I could be way off -- my opinion is based on her limited statements and the occasional photo with the rigid rictus smile.

I don't think that it would go over well for any family member to say anything to the M7. I think that this is one of the few moments in time when they're actually lucky to be in the mosh pit of the TTH and have all of those aunts and uncles and cousins around who aren't 30 seconds away from a complete breakdown.

I can see Anna reaching the point where she is filled with rage many times.  She's probably been there already, and will be there again and again over the years.   I wouldn't discount her feeling bitter and cheated since she followed what her parents taught her and married the man they approved and things have still gone sideways.   I think who and what she's angry about will probably ebb and flow according to whatever she's struggling with emotionally and mentally at a given time, particularly if she's facing blame and scorn from those around her on any kind of a regular basis.   

Will she ever get to the point where it causes her to question or even step back from many of the so-called "faith led" life practices she's lived her whole life and raised her children in?   Maybe.   A lot is going to be dependent on what her support system allows her to do, because dependent she is and it's unlikely that's going to change anytime soon, if ever.   It's not that she's necessarily unwilling to work hard, but with half a dozen kids, no real education and no career or even job history with skills likely to enable her to earn a living wage to support them all she's largely consigned to an economically dependent future.   

 

[Lady Jane]

2 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

I used to work with incest/abuse victims and teens  , and many felt just as much rage toward their mothers who took their abusers’ sides as they did the actual abusers. When the M’s find out the truth (and some eventually will), i'm sure some will also judge their mother's actions.

I think it depends on how much brainwashing they've had from their cult. The cult's (presumed) view of Anna is so bizarre. Totally Madonna/Whore--she's either at fault for his transgressions because she was not the perfect fundie wife, but also a martyr for sticking by him. I imagine they'll experience some of that cognitive dissonance.

5 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

I can see Anna reaching the point where she is filled with rage many times.  She's probably been there already, and will be there again and again over the years.   I wouldn't discount her feeling bitter and cheated since she followed what her parents taught her and married the man they approved and things have still gone sideways.  

I think her moments of rage are probably mixed with moments of guilt (the cult tells her this), as well as getting off on the "Anna is such a martyr" energy.