Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[babyhouseman]

On 3/15/2017 at 10:26 AM, GeeGolly said:

I wonder if Anna is pregnant. The last 3 kids were about two years apart. 

Mackynzie 10/8/09, Michael 6/15/11, Marcus 6/2/13, Meredith 7/16/15

You should work for the Psychic Network, lol. 

[JoanArc]

 I just realized this is the first pregnancy they can't monetize or grift off of. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.

[Jynnan tonnix]

I know we are not supposed to speculate on Josh's inclinations toward minors, but my instinct is, at this point, that although he was a hormonally fueled adolescent, admittedly on a path dangerously lacking in conscience, he has experienced enough sex, real and virtual, within and without the bonds of matrimony with real adult women, that it's unlikely that he'd feel that drawn to explore children at this point in time. Especially given that whatever one thought about him, and whether or not he necessarily wanted a slew of kids, he did actually seem to love the ones he had. I just think that, given any other outlets whatsoever, and you know that they are out there somewhere, he would not choose to hurt his children.

[Beaner]

How can Anna be so, so stupid? Do JB & M have no shame? This is all their doing and Anna is eager to comply. Nothing good will come of this.  How sad and disgusting.

[awaken]

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

So maybe an August baby? Their timing is right on schedule.

Didn't skip a beat, sadly. Looks like Jesus jail did not put them behind schedule at all. 

When I saw 36 new posts on this thread when I logged in tonight, I knew it was with this or he did it again. :(

[ariel]

11 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 I just realized this is the first pregnancy they can't monetize or grift off of. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.

It will be interesting to see if they try to.  Maybe they are/have written a book?  With the Duggars & their love for grifting, you never know.

[pinkelephant3]

18 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

 I just realized this is the first pregnancy they can't monetize or grift off of. Will be interesting to see how that plays out.

Oh no the crazies will still send them stuff. Maybe even more so now that they are saved and Jesus saved them and their marriage and all of us mean people need to forgive 

[awaken]

1 hour ago, DangerousMinds said:

How will they support yet another kid with no jobs?

Joblessness hasn't stopped the others from continuing to have kids either. I'd love a direct answer on how they plan to  support their growing brood, without jobs, or education, when they put so much emphasis on finances! 

[Albanyguy]

3 hours ago, flyingdi said:

 Just throwing out M name suggestions

I'm guessing they're not gonna go with "Madison".

[Sew Sumi]

Smuggar's financial woes are exacerbated by the fact that he isn't getting a piece of the Counting On pie. Seriously, what could he be doing for Boob that will feed a wife and five kids (not to mention himself)? It's evident that they live in a Boob-owned abode, and if it's the guest house on the property, they may not even pay utilities. They just need food, gas, and clothing. 

Edited March 18, 2017 by Sew Sumi

[Churchhoney]

13 minutes ago, awaken said:

Joblessness hasn't stopped the others from continuing to have kids either. I'd love a direct answer on how they plan to  support their growing brood, without jobs, or education, when they put so much emphasis on finances! 

I love the way you're absolutely positively never ever ever supposed to incur even a tiny little debt, even if your car breaks down two days from payday and you end up having to beg off work and forgo the two days of wages because to get to the job you'd have to put the transportation and car repair temporarily on your credit card. God absolutely nixes any of his special people taking on that little bit of debt, whatever they might imagine the long-term benefit of it would be. Those who do take on the debt are likely hellbound. 

However -- have 56 kids with no foreseeable way to pay their bills (except grifting?) ? Heck, yeah, that's God's way! 

WTF.

[Nysha]

3 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Unlike Anna, when the shit hit the fan, she went back home and filed for divorce. Oh Anna, what a mess you are making of this farce you call a marriage. 

Given that Anna's family, except for her brother, were pressuring her to forgive Josh and save her marriage, I think she's doing everything she can to make it work. She's been brainwashed since day one that her role in life is to obey her headship, no matter what. I WISH she and Josh would have stopped at 4 kids, gotten real counseling, and escaped JimBob, but that was never going to happen. Hopefully, she wanted this baby and is happy to be pregnant. 

[JayInChicago]

Do you think anyone has raised the issue of std testing with Anna?

[sATL]

12 minutes ago, JayInChicago said:

Do you think anyone has raised the issue of std testing with Anna?

speaking of which, I am surprised no one has requested DNA testing for possible Josh love-child

[Missy Vixen]

8 minutes ago, sATL said:

speaking of which, I am surprised no one has requested DNA testing for possible Josh love-child

And I just threw up in my mouth.

Let's hope the women he was with were at least on birth control; one has to wonder how Anna would react to that. Would she finally leave? Or would she simper that it was an "extra-special blessing" and "out of ashes comes beauty"?

KJB sold the house out from under Anna while Joshley Madison was in Jesus Jail. He was pretty damn quick on the draw to make them judgment proof.

[sATL]

One BIG issue I have with this crew is that they seem to believe that God's only and best blessing is a child. Which sounds like they don't put a lot of stock in other blessings - like good health, peace of mind, food on the table, roof over your head, etc.

Anna - child #5 isn't going to make your life and marriage more that what it is. Why bring another little one into this mess when you stated how hard it was when  Josh went to "rehab" dealing with the four. So now your setting yourself up for being a single parent again,  if/when Josh does his "strike 2" bullet up-state in fake rehab.

[queenanne]

2 hours ago, Jeanius said:

I don't see where another baby makes a whole lot of difference, IF Anna has decided to stay with Josh, and it looks like she has. Why would they not have another one if they want? If he is allowed to be around the other four, he is certainly allowed to have as many as he wants, if Anna is willing and able. Or, at least able. If she has decided to stay with him, why not? She may or may not be trying to "fix" the marriage, she maybe just wants more children. Who pays for him? They will manage, I am sure. The child will not want for food, shelter or clothing. I don't get the "outrage." I think she is a fool, but a lot of people are fools.

 

10 minutes ago, Nysha said:

Given that Anna's family, except for her brother, were pressuring her to forgive Josh and save her marriage, I think she's doing everything she can to make it work. She's been brainwashed since day one that her role in life is to obey her headship, no matter what. I WISH she and Josh would have stopped at 4 kids, gotten real counseling, and escaped JimBob, but that was never going to happen. Hopefully, she wanted this baby and is happy to be pregnant. 

Yeah, none of it's surprising.  It's tough enough for the proverbial "couples who 'hate' each other" to live together and 24/7 avoid sex.  These people are against birth control and divorce; all things considered Anna is probably still hot for the guy, as she used to about pass out when they held hands.

I don't like it but I'm not surprised by it.  When they didn't get divorced, this outcome was written in stone.

[Arwen Evenstar]

It's sad, just sad.

i remember when Anna announced she was pregnant with Meredith and Josh looked like he'd bit into a shit sandwich while the other M&Ms played with the pee stick.

Anna always had that creepy baby hunger going on, to the point it was downright disturbing.

[Micks Picks]

Yes, I remember her baby fever, downright sickening, and Josh trying to defer the conversation.  Everybody could see he was not interested, at all.  He seemed like a good father to the three he had at the time, and wanted to make a career for himself.  Too bad he couldn't stay away from the porn and porn stars.  Anna was no help with her constant yammering on about babies.  

[TessHarding2]

7 hours ago, flyingdi said:

So when is Major Mistake Duggar due?  Just throwing out M name suggestions.

Molester.

[Booey]

8 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Note the timing of the announcement. Friday afternooons are always the time for a "news dump." I think this says a lot about how this is being treated by TLC. 

That's for sure. And on St. Paddy's Day too. I only just saw now because I'm winding down after getting home from the pub, and still had this forum open in my browser. Thought it might mean something that the Smugger topic was right up top so I clicked on it to find the posts with the news. Otherwise I probably wouldn't have known til later on in the weekend or something. Definitely brilliant timing.

[Temperance]

Baby fever is natural when it is ingrained in the culture that a woman's worth is in how many blessings, etc. Her parents probably ingrained in her the importance of a big family and probably talk about how they wished they had more/glad they don't have less. By fundie standards,  all her kids are about two years apart which is a lot. Michelle had a baby almost every year. 

As for Josh, the man has several faces or personalities. It's probably hard for Anna to see the man who is kind to their kids and whom she perceives as treating her well as the same man who does bad things behind her back. If she had seen him say cheating before her own eyes, it might be different. I think she was clueless and doesn't see what we see.  In fact she doesn't see any of it, she hears about it secondhand. 

In some ways, the biggest red flags are thing that do happen when they're together. He walks way ahead of her and doesn't help carry things. He was shown many, many times off on his own during what eventually became the toliet birth. It's worth noting, but Joshgate came out, Television Without Pity named Josh one of their worst reality stars of the year for a variety of things like his behavior during the birth, also making her travel with his family while pregnant, etc. Anyone else remember this?

Much more than Derrick, Josh should have known what was coming when he got married. If he doesn't want kids, he should do something about it.  

I'm sure his parents think the baby will solve and if not the baby then the "practicing".

[Nysha]

3 hours ago, Temperance said:

Much more than Derrick, Josh should have known what was coming when he got married. If he doesn't want kids, he should do something about it.  

I agree. Anna's been brainwashed and may actually believe that having another baby is the best thing for their marriage. Josh knows differently, knows what having too many children is like, and doesn't want this life, but is going to go along with it because he's too lazy and scared to stand up to his father and leave. 

[Jeanius]

I would be a whole lot more surprised, thinking about a bit more, if she did had ended up staying in the marriage and NOT having another baby. Why would she do that? It is funny to me that folks seem to think she should Do This or Do That. I certainly get the critiquing of her actions, but the OH! MY! Anna did it and got preggers! outrage weird. Anna's mind works like Anna's mind works. 1. She has Baby Fever. She married Josh and had FOUR M's. Then the sheet hit the sheets. When she didn't cut and run THEN, her window of opportunity narrowed. Once back in the Family Compound, it's back to what she had and WANTED before. BABIES. 2. Religion and her relationship with God. Maybe she believes he is sufficiently rehabbed. People seem to think that once a cheater, once a molester, always a whatever. Anna and her cult don't think that way and never have. It's ALL about God and his miraculous ways. God can heal Josh, no matter WHAT any earthly creature has to say about it. So Anna has plenty of support to believe what she believes to keep her marriage and FAMILY together. AND have more babies ASAP. Every two years until she is out of eggs. Maybe for HER, it isn't so much about money. It's Babies. She needs more. The easiest way?? With Josh. OR, she will have to start over with some other dude. In her mind, that may be near impossible. I just don't see her as being so different than millions of women all over the country, staying in "unhappy" marriages for a myriad of reasons. Her reasons are as old as Sam Hill, and have a lot to do with women, having babies, and being DEPENDENT on the father of those children. In ways other than emotions, finances, etc. And when you are birthing babies, nursing babies, you are in your element (if that is your thing - I have had three, so have some experience in the matter. I also had the "sense" to say NO to the fourth!!) and it is a biological feeling that can't be replicated so easily. I much preferred my children to grow up, and I found them more fun and interesting as then got older and could communicate better. I DO think it is sad when women in general, like Meeechelle and Anna, seem to prefer the infants. THAT, to me is a big core issue, and something difficult to address, especially in the culture she is in. She is right where she wants to be. Every women (and man) makes compromises in relationships. Or, deals with the Debil himself (!!!!)

[Churchhoney]

10 hours ago, Beaner said:

How can Anna be so, so stupid? Do JB & M have no shame? This is all their doing and Anna is eager to comply. Nothing good will come of this.  How sad and disgusting.

Well, all three have just been fixated forever on babies babies babies babies and more babies. So I suppose we shouldn't be amazed and horrified. They're all long-term obsessed, and this is what obsessed people do.

Strange as it is, in the case of the baby thing, Josh is the one who had the most sense. He seemed to like his family of three kids just fine but clearly didn't want more. And given his lack of education and other exigencies, three was definitely enough, and should have been enough for Anna, too. Heck, she might even have been able to do a halfway decent job homeschooling three. But since Josh gave in to his other stupidities, he never had a chance to get any leverage for that point of view. Although given the nature of JB, M and A, it's not clear the argument would ever have had any legs with them anyway. They all think God is leading them this way, I suppose.

JB and M are the ones who ought to have enough experience to know that more kids for this couple aren't a good idea. But since they clearly have no sense at all, about anything, I'm sure they've pushed hard for Anna to continue her baby obsession and done what they could to further intimidate big-fat-coward Josh from taking any steps on his own to stop the train. ...... And I know the sainted grandparents have a bit of money, but almost nobody has enough money for what they're looking at now. This, alone, is now a family of seven, with very little ability to make money on its own. 

Edited March 18, 2017 by Churchhoney

[ginger90]

Is it known where Josh and Anna are living?

[Marshmallow Mollie]

Ugh, I am picturing, starting at 2 weeks after Josh came home, Anna being asked daily whether she is pregnant. I bet she felt like she had to be joyfully available before she was ready.

[nodorothyparker]

I'll break my personal vow not to give any of these people any more head space to join in in saying that I'm as disgusted as everyone else but not at all surprised.  These are people, after all, who believe that they have God's special favor and wouldn't continue to receive "blessings" like clockwork if it were not so.  Clearly, Josh is forgiven and we should join Anna in moving on even if we haven't had a lifetime of poorly educated conditioning first by her own family and then by the one she married into to see this as the only way it could turn out.

As much as anyone, I blame TLC for continuing to allow them a toehold in thinking that normal people find any of this okay and continue this dog and pony show.    We should probably start placing our bets now on how they use this to ease Josh back onto the screen and public consciousness.  If I were a gambling woman, I'd say we'll be seeing him quietly in the background of scenes without comment as they do their prerequisite getting ready for yet another blessing schtick they do in the run up before the birth.

[GeeGolly]

Josh's dislike by the average person is the one thing I think TLC, JB & M and even Josh and Anna have a realistic grasp of. I'm not sure any of them will risk the paycheck - or Jessa's wrath - to start having him on the show. TLC went to great lengths to not even have Josh shown in any still shots never mind filming during Jinger's wedding. Josh even played the hide Josh game by holding his child in front of him. Josh's birthday greeting and baby announcement from JB & M were down played. It appears to me that JB & M are trying to walk a fine line between being forgiving and supportive parents and keeping their other children's livelihood going.

I'm guessing that many leghumpers may profess that they have forgiven Josh of his sins but it doesn't mean they want to see him on TV either. And the rest of the viewers don't want to see him. Josh is toxic.

[Marigold]

Totally not surprised. 

I think Anna is a true believer in her faith.  She really believes that God has forgiven Josh and she has also.  He is a new creature in Christ. So she trudges on in her marriage like things are back to normal. 

I think Josh is a snake, a liar and scummy human being. Josh will cheat again. 

[Scarlett45]

8 hours ago, Temperance said:

Baby fever is natural when it is ingrained in the culture that a woman's worth is in how many blessings, etc. Her parents probably ingrained in her the importance of a big family and probably talk about how they wished they had more/glad they don't have less. By fundie standards,  all her kids are about two years apart which is a lot. Michelle had a baby almost every year. 

As for Josh, the man has several faces or personalities. It's probably hard for Anna to see the man who is kind to their kids and whom she perceives as treating her well as the same man who does bad things behind her back. If she had seen him say cheating before her own eyes, it might be different. I think she was clueless and doesn't see what we see.  In fact she doesn't see any of it, she hears about it secondhand. 

In some ways, the biggest red flags are thing that do happen when they're together. He walks way ahead of her and doesn't help carry things. He was shown many, many times off on his own during what eventually became the toliet birth. It's worth noting, but Joshgate came out, Television Without Pity named Josh one of their worst reality stars of the year for a variety of things like his behavior during the birth, also making her travel with his family while pregnant, etc. Anyone else remember this?

Much more than Derrick, Josh should have known what was coming when he got married. If he doesn't want kids, he should do something about it.  

I'm sure his parents think the baby will solve and if not the baby then the "practicing".

So much this. During the first season of the series when they showed Josh &a Anna courting and then their marriage, they seemed into each other, but there were HUGE red flags like you said. What groom lets his brand new bride carry the luggage on their honeymoon?!!!!!! I believe Jeremy Vulvo is a fame whore but NO WAY would he do that to Jinger (nor Ben to Jessa). What man FALLS ASLEEP during the birth of their first child?!! Hot damn. 

Perhaps Anna feels the love of her children is all she's got so she's consumed to have more. Who knows. 

[RazzleberryPie]

7 minutes ago, Marigold said:

Totally not surprised. 

I think Anna is a true believer in her faith.  She really believes that God has forgiven Josh and she has also.  He is a new creature in Christ. So she trudges on in her marriage like things are back to normal. 

I think Josh is a snake, a liar and scummy human being. Josh will cheat again. 

I agree with you, but I also think that deep down Anna knows Josh is going to screw up again, and that having more and more kids isn't going to solve any of their problems. So instead of actually doing something to make sure she can support her family, or kicking Josh to the curb, she's going to just keep going down the road she's been trained to follow, and spit out kid after kid after kid. She'll be miserable, but that slight tinge of hope will keep her going. 

Josh is indeed a snake, liar, scummy human, and also a coward. He wants to reap the benefits of being Fundie Poster Child and get these big paying jobs, adoration, etc., but I don't think he actually believes any of it for a minute. He's also miserable, just too much of a coward to say STOP - and stop having more kids, ending this emotionally cruel marriage, etc.

Anna is stuck. Her brother tried to help her, but she has glued herself to this lifestyle, and she'll forever be miserable.

[Marigold]

i think every woman with a cheater husband knows, deep down, that another incident is most likely to happen. It's a female instinct. 

Josh is not a believer at all.  He just says the right things at the right time and smiles. 

Josh and Anna are both trapped with each other.  This life is not what Josh wants.  Anna wanted a life with a loving husband and father for her large family and instead got stuck with a fucking pervert. Neither one of them can seem to untangle this huge knot they are ensnared in because they are both so dysfunctional and damaged from Gothard. 

Baby Madison will not help the situation at all. 

[Arwen Evenstar]

9 minutes ago, Marigold said:

Josh and Anna are both trapped with each other.  This life is not what Josh wants.  Anna wanted a life with a loving husband and father for her large family and instead got stuck with a fucking pervert. Neither one of them can seem to untangle this huge knot they are ensnared in because they are both so dysfunctional and damaged from Gothard. 

THIS!!!!

[bigskygirl]

I think Josh would have turned out this way even without Gothard. There is something about him screaming creep, pervert, and do not let him date or marry your daughter from the get go. I definitely believe he would have acted out on impulse or whatever you want to call it when it comes to females even if he came from a semi-normal family with less children, and parents with half a brain and actually raised their children in a decent manner. He reminds me of the creepy stalker and murderer from a really bad Lifetime movie. In fact, all or most of the older Duggar males give me the creeps.

[Ljohnson1987]

Bringing another baby into this mess, is just what will fix this. NOT! SMDH. Keep Smugs away from the kids. 

[3 is enough]

Not at all surprised, but this is sad.  

[Churchhoney]

3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Josh's dislike by the average person is the one thing I think TLC, JB & M and even Josh and Anna have a realistic grasp of. I'm not sure any of them will risk the paycheck - or Jessa's wrath - to start having him on the show. TLC went to great lengths to not even have Josh shown in any still shots never mind filming during Jinger's wedding. Josh even played the hide Josh game by holding his child in front of him. Josh's birthday greeting and baby announcement from JB & M were down played. It appears to me that JB & M are trying to walk a fine line between being forgiving and supportive parents and keeping their other children's livelihood going.

I'm guessing that many leghumpers may profess that they have forgiven Josh of his sins but it doesn't mean they want to see him on TV either. And the rest of the viewers don't want to see him. Josh is toxic.

Here's hoping. 

But too bad his crappy parents, the real founders of the whole disaster, aren't equally toxic, isn't it?

Josh is a selfish, cowardly jerk, but if people can't see beyond that to the fact that his parents are unnatural monsters who not only destroyed or nearly destroyed their other 18 children but had a large hand in boosting Josh's jerkiness to epic levels, we can't feel as if people are really getting the message that the Duggar story tells. Shame, that. Their vaunted "theology" and "morals" have had the effect of not only leaving all their kids unprepared for life but of taking a kid who had a bit of a bad seed in him by nature, most likely, and nurturing the damn thing into a sequoia. ..... Great ministry there, Perpetual Parent-Conference Speakers. 

Edited March 18, 2017 by Churchhoney

[RedheadZombie]

16 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

It did take several months, though. Smugs was sprung from Jesus Jail last February or March. I wonder just how joyfully available she's had to be with him in this past year? 

Believe it or not, studies have shown that a woman's fertility begins to decline in her late twenties.  Most women aren't freaks of nature like Michelle and Kelly Bates.  Hopefully, Anna's babies will begin to have much larger gaps.  She never popped them out yearly like her MIL.  Maybe she breastfeeds longer.  I can't see Anna weaning her babies abruptly at six months to increase fertility.

[Mollie]

It's been 24 hours since the announcement of the new Josh/Anna pregnancy, and not a word of congratulations from any of Josh's siblings!  

 

[Christina87]

57 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

Believe it or not, studies have shown that a woman's fertility begins to decline in her late twenties.  Most women aren't freaks of nature like Michelle and Kelly Bates.  Hopefully, Anna's babies will begin to have much larger gaps.  She never popped them out yearly like her MIL.  Maybe she breastfeeds longer.  I can't see Anna weaning her babies abruptly at six months to increase fertility.

Shhhhh, don't tell any of these crazy people that! Jessa and Anna will pop them out double time, and Jana will be forced into a super quick marriage with a creeper!

[doodlebug]

20 hours ago, zoomama said:

16 - 18 weeks they can tell gender usually.

There is now a blood test for free fetal DNA which can be done about 10-12 weeks on the mom and will give the gender, but she probably is 16 weeks or more and had an ultrasound since I doubt she is getting traditional prenatal care and it requires an order from a legitimate practitioner and can't be done at the mall.

If TLC uses this tragic event (not the baby, but the circumstances) to try to shove Joshie back on TV,  will be appalled; but I can see a redemption storyline, complete with Anna expressing forgiveness and adoration of her headship being very appealing to the network.  And its already been proven that Anna will passively allow them to film whatever they want in the name of keeping the Duggar brand going.  They've got no other options at this point anyway. 

[Marigold]

Baby Madison will also help sell the book we all know they are writing. 

[sometimesy]

36 minutes ago, Mollie said:

It's been 24 hours since the announcement of the new Josh/Anna pregnancy, and not a word of congratulations from any of Josh's siblings!  

 

It's really sad for Anna and the other children who are probably excited about a new sibling, but Anna is aware that she will be treated second class by the family because of Josh.  I suspect these nutcases have Anna way down to level Jana in respect.

Or, maybe they've decided to incorporate old fashion technique of celebrating milestones face to face instead of in videos? <That I could get behind.

[bigskygirl]

1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

Here's hoping. 

But too bad his crappy parents, the real founders of the whole disaster, aren't equally toxic, isn't it?

Josh is a selfish, cowardly jerk, but if people can't see beyond that to the fact that his parents are unnatural monsters who not only destroyed or nearly destroyed their other 18 children but had a large hand in boosting Josh's jerkiness to epic levels, we can't feel as if people are really getting the message that the Duggar story tells. Shame, that. Their vaunted "theology" and "morals" have had the effect of not only leaving all their kids unprepared for life but of taking a kid who had a bit of a bad seed in him by nature, most likely, and nurturing the damn thing into a sequoia. ..... Great ministry there, Perpetual Parent-Conference Speakers. 

I definitely agree JB and Michelle play a big part in Josh's downfall since the apple does not fall from the Duggar tree. I think the major reason why JB did not want Josh to take the D.C. job was the fact he was probably worried Josh's past was going to come out because Josh would be featured more in the spotlight. Of course, JB might have been a little jealous and his mighty ego was bruised over the fact his number one son was getting a chance at having more political clout. The ironic thing is JB, Michelle and Josh's egos and their we are so much better than the heathen masses attitudes lead to their massive downfall. In otherwords, karma came calling, and it was not pretty.

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, Christina87 said:

Shhhhh, don't tell any of these crazy people that! Jessa and Anna will pop them out double time, and Jana will be forced into a super quick marriage with a creeper!

Yep. Especially since JB and M probably have their sights fixed on a triple-digit grandbaby total before they're eligible for Social Security. 

[Minivanessa]

And. . .  The Josh Duggar Redemption "Jesus Saved Me!!" gravy train has left the station: http://people.com/tv/josh-anna-duggar-timeline-marriage-scandal-rebuilding-life-together/

Edited March 18, 2017 by Jeeves

[Churchhoney]

6 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

And. . .  The Josh Duggar Redemption "Jesus Saved Me!!" gravy train has left the station: http://people.com/tv/josh-anna-duggar-timeline-marriage-scandal-rebuilding-life-together/

Oy. Soon chugging into the station at a misguided town near you. Please, America, be too smart and disgusted to let them turn this into their moneymaker. (yeah, I know. I plead in vain.)

Edited March 18, 2017 by Churchhoney

[Sew Sumi]

Thankfully, the next season of CO has tons of material: Henry's birth, Joy's courtship/engagement, life in Laredo, possibly a trip to DA, and Joe's courtship. They can keep Anna out of sight CV like they did this past season, aside from Jinger's wedding party pictures, about the time she probably  got knocked up. 

They'll lose half their audience (the hate-watchers) if they bring Smuggar back. Anna can quietly have M5 off-camera and announce it a few days later, as they did with Mere. Although Mere's birth was different, because it happened the day TLC officially canceled 19 Kids (before that, it had just been on hiatus). 

I still can't believe that TLC brought the Duggars back in ANY form after Joshley Madison broke in August, but they were filming as early as mid-season ER, even before Jessa's baby shower. 

[ginger90]

It doesn't seem like Josh or Anna actually participated in that article. Any of us could have written it and the pictures are not current at all.