Jessa, Ben and Their Brood: Making a (Diaper) Mountain out of a Mold House

[GeeGolly]

12 minutes ago, Dimi1 said:

Have you all seen the video/films by John Paul Rice...the producer exposing child trafficking ...EYE opening as far as kids are concerned...I do not agree with everything he says and he gets kind of out there. but ...wowzers...has a lot to do with fear as it relates to kids. He also exposes some things in Hollywood and music...

No I haven't seen it.

Per your description, I'm unsure how it relates to my post.

[ouinason]

See, I agree that kids are not sinners for behaving badly as toddlers and preschoolers, so on that point Jessa is wrong.  But... children are sociopaths.  They just are.  People aren't born with love in their hearts and compassion and caring.  All of these good traits are taught as they grow.  babies don't understand that the toy belongs to someone else so they can't have it.  They don't know that hitting is bad, or that they are supposed to care for other people's feelings.  It's all learned behavior.  And that is ok.  That is why children aren't baptized in a lot of churches before the age of 7, and it's why there aren't baby jails.  

We learn as we grow that certain behaviors are bad, are sins even, and we reflect that we did bad in ignorance and we repent that.  I know for a fact that I bit my mother when I was a baby and wouldn't unclench until she nipped my arm and startled me into it.  I didn't know better then, now I do and I feel bad (admittedly not very) for it now.

[BigBingerBro]

[Temperance]

6 minutes ago, BigBingerBro said:

@Churchhoney The name Allie Beth Stuckey name sounds familar. Is she acquainted with Jeremy?

[Dimi1]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

No I haven't seen it.

Per your description, I'm unsure how it relates to my post.

it relates to kids and the instillation of fear... to tell  a young 5 year old they are a sinner going to hell instills fear...this leads to (according to him) addictions, trauma related issues and makes kids more vulnerable to abuse to the point of being trafficked ...and even gang activity...sorry was not clear

[crazy8s]

allie beth stuckey is a fox news go to. has a podcast and she is bats**t crazy. from her twitter" I’ve had the privilege of interviewing a LOT of amazing people on Relatable. In the past few months alone I’ve spoken with Al Mohler, Voddie Baucham and John MacArthur, and this week I get to speak with Wayne Grudem. All of these men have had a huge impact on my worldview."

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, Temperance said:

@Churchhoney The name Allie Beth Stuckey name sounds familar. Is she acquainted with Jeremy?

Yeah. They were both speakers at a conference he was at earlier this year -- the thing that was in Georgia -- the G3?  (I think it was this year's conference -- but maybe the same one in 2019? -- one of the two, anyway)

And they did at least one podcast together. ( I think probably more than one...) They met through Calvinism and women's proper place stuff -- but I don't know when they met....

Edited August 25, 2020 by Churchhoney

[crazy8s]

sad for Jer in her tweet today allie didn't mention him. It is interesting Bin and jessa were recently in LA it seems and now this person commenting on Jessa's post. hmmm... I think Jessa might be aiming for something higher, or to at least to get out of the mold house before blessing #4

[ouinason]

The idea that you are somehow supposed to not value your own efforts seems.... very antiChristian.  I mean, there is a huge gap between recognizing your own worth and being vain.

[Churchhoney]

19 minutes ago, ouinason said:

The idea that you are somehow supposed to not value your own efforts seems.... very antiChristian.  I mean, there is a huge gap between recognizing your own worth and being vain.

I read a few reviews of her book on Amazon, and they described the book as talking about one particular cultural group she brands as a "self-love"culture and says is fatally flawed -- According to the reviews that gave specifics, she's just disparaging people who are into yoga, mindfulness, self-compassion and so on. Brands them ungodly liberals, basically.

I got the impression that the book may ultimately call for other conservative Christian women like herself to feel great about how they approach things while also feeling solidarity in opposing the these people who just totally do it wrong. She puts the label "self-love" onto yoga-mat people as a pejorative -- maybe mainly using that phrase as an attention grabber because it sounds wrong or at least contrarian to condemn having love for yourself --  

She's pretty into culture wars, I think. 

Edited August 26, 2020 by Churchhoney

[Nysha]

46 minutes ago, ouinason said:

The idea that you are somehow supposed to not value your own efforts seems.... very antiChristian.  I mean, there is a huge gap between recognizing your own worth and being vain.

I think it's only the lesser christians who are supposed to give god all the credit for anything they accomplish. Most of the preachers I know or have watched on TV are very into self-love. They may give god lip service, but they believe it was all them. 

[DangerousMinds]

7 hours ago, ouinason said:

See, I agree that kids are not sinners for behaving badly as toddlers and preschoolers, so on that point Jessa is wrong.  But... children are sociopaths.  They just are.  People aren't born with love in their hearts and compassion and caring.  All of these good traits are taught as they grow.  babies don't understand that the toy belongs to someone else so they can't have it.  They don't know that hitting is bad, or that they are supposed to care for other people's feelings.  It's all learned behavior.  And that is ok.  That is why children aren't baptized in a lot of churches before the age of 7, and it's why there aren't baby jails.  

We learn as we grow that certain behaviors are bad, are sins even, and we reflect that we did bad in ignorance and we repent that.  I know for a fact that I bit my mother when I was a baby and wouldn't unclench until she nipped my arm and startled me into it.  I didn't know better then, now I do and I feel bad (admittedly not very) for it now.

Sociopaths is a strong word, and not everyone believes in the concept of “sin.”

[Suzn]

8 hours ago, ouinason said:

See, I agree that kids are not sinners for behaving badly as toddlers and preschoolers, so on that point Jessa is wrong.  But... children are sociopaths.  They just are.  People aren't born with love in their hearts and compassion and caring.  All of these good traits are taught as they grow.  babies don't understand that the toy belongs to someone else so they can't have it.  They don't know that hitting is bad, or that they are supposed to care for other people's feelings.  It's all learned behavior.  And that is ok.  That is why children aren't baptized in a lot of churches before the age of 7, and it's why there aren't baby jails.  

We learn as we grow that certain behaviors are bad, are sins even, and we reflect that we did bad in ignorance and we repent that.  I know for a fact that I bit my mother when I was a baby and wouldn't unclench until she nipped my arm and startled me into it.  I didn't know better then, now I do and I feel bad (admittedly not very) for it now.

Being a sociopath is a pathology, not a normal stage of development.  In addition to development, small children need to be taught the behavior we want them to have.  Even very small children can show innate empathy.  I've seen toddlers concerned when another one cries or is hurt and even pat and comfort the crying one.

[GeeGolly]

IMO, kids are so far from evil sinners. They are little humans eager to learn and eager to please.

I don't understand how grabbing someone else's toy is a sin. Is putting a small toy, they might choke on, in their mouth a sin? They are just exploring and learning.

And not all kids are hitters or biters either. I shudder to think Jessa thoughts about her kids. Does she think one is more of a sinner than the other?

[Churchhoney]

16 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I shudder to think Jessa thoughts about her kids. Does she think one is more of a sinner than the other?

I wonder whether Jessa actually ever thinks about this stuff at all except when she summons up everything she's learned to parrot over the years to write a post or give a video speech. .... And in this case, the not thinking would be a good thing. 

On the other hand, it seems likely from stuff they've said and done that JB and M, especially, made some judgments about who were their more and less sinful kids. So maybe Jessa does, too. Hoping it's all just speechifying, though. 

 

[ouinason]

You guys are right, sociopath is the wrong word because that is a pathology and rather strong for what I was trying to convey anyway.  All I meant was that children aren't born knowing right from wrong or knowing what certain feelings and expressions mean in themselves or others.  All of it is learned as they grow.  Toddlers begin to show empathy and then other things grow from that and eventually they are reasonable people.  This is from a physical and mental development standpoint, not a kid hating standpoint.  

[Suzn]

3 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

I wonder whether Jessa actually ever thinks about this stuff at all except when she summons up everything she's learned to parrot over the years to write a post or give a video speech. .... And in this case, the not thinking would be a good thing. 

On the other hand, it seems likely from stuff they've said and done that JB and M, especially, made some judgments about who were their more and less sinful kids. So maybe Jessa does, too. Hoping it's all just speechifying, though. 

 

If this video is sincerely how Jessa thinks of herself and her children, what a sad, joyless, dysfunctional life she lives.  I could only sample parts of it because it is such a downer.  If a person is constantly looking for their own sinful behavior and even thoughts and looking for sins in their small children, it leaves so little room for anything positive in life.  I could go on about the whole thing, but really it makes me sick.

[doodlebug]

On 8/23/2020 at 7:39 AM, GeeGolly said:

Serious question, so please don't laugh or judge...

Do Christians think animals are sinners?

I ask this because I think the behaviors Jessa describes above are instinctual not sinful. Much like animals who need that instinct to survive.

No, animals lack the capacity to sin; they do not have a soul or the ability to tell right from wrong.  Catholic here.  The general belief in the Catholic Church is that children are not capable of sin until they have the understanding of the offense, the cognitive ability to make a choice and the impulse control to modify their actions.  Therefore, no, Jessa's kids aren't sinners.  Spurgeon is probably just coming to the age where he understands what a lie is and why it is wrong or what stealing is and why it is wrong. And just beginning to have enough self control to act on this knowledge.   Ivy and Henry are years away from that kind of complex reasoning.  This is why the Catholic church doesn't have kids start going to confession until they are 7 or so.

I guess this is part of how they justify blanket training infants.  Bad baby!!

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, doodlebug said:

No, animals lack the capacity to sin; they do not have a soul or the ability to tell right from wrong.  Catholic here.  The general belief in the Catholic Church is that children are not capable of sin until they have the understanding of the offense, the cognitive ability to make a choice and the impulse control to modify their actions.  Therefore, no, Jessa's kids aren't sinners.  Spurgeon is probably just coming to the age where he understands what a lie is and why it is wrong or what stealing is and why it is wrong. And just beginning to have enough self control to act on this knowledge.   Ivy and Henry are years away from that kind of complex reasoning.  This is why the Catholic church doesn't have kids start going to confession until they are 7 or so.

I guess this is part of how they justify blanket training infants.  Bad baby!!

So here's the secret or not-so-secret guru of, at least, Meeechelle and Jill R, Michael Pearl, on kids and SIN!!!! If you heard people constantly talking about little kids like this -- and all these people did because Pearl and others who agree with him (like their parents) were always talking like this and, for all we know, still are. People have reported seeing cringing in younger Duggarlings in recent years. ... And we know Jill R is heavily into this still. She sent Nurie and Kaylie to live with the Pearls a few summers ago.

Makes you see why Jessa, Jill, etc., have thought so much in terms of sin.

The vision of children -- hell, the vision of people in here -- is kind of astonishing, if you ask me. And there are reams and reams and reams of this stuff that all these people have eagerly read. And the thing is, it has tiny grains of truth in it here and there -- so that can draw people in -- and then he takes it to this crazy crazy place, using scripture, something they're all total suckers for.

This is about a 4-year-old that parents are finding hard to control -- Pearl's description -- "The only factor common to all her weird acts of defiance is defiance itself. She seeks to dominate because that is where her greatest pleasure lies. Sue finds pleasure in standing crossways to the will of others. She is on a quest for sovereignty—to be the supreme potentate. She will not make the compromises necessary to be a part of society."

Who was the first person to act like 4-year-old Sue? --  "Lucifer was the first one to take independent action. The Bible speaks of his motive: “I will ascend up; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God (above other angels and cherubim); I will be like the most high (be like God) (Isaiah 14:14).” The original sin was not committed by Adam. It was committed by Lucifer, the cherub. He developed a will to dominate, to control, to call the shots, to direct not only his affairs, but the affairs of others. He wanted to be sovereign."

Here's how he describes what Sue's mother tries to do --"Though she is perplexed as to what she should do, she knows that there are answers, things she can do that will purge her daughter of this diabolical will to dominate."

Surprise surprise, Sue is just like that old debbil EVE -- "This was the third aspect of Eve’s temptation—to be like the gods, to know good and evil without making any judgments. The Apostle John calls it “the pride of life.” Originally it was just a child’s desire for pleasure, but not any more. It is now something much worse. This child’s desire for pleasure has now mutated into a desire to dominate. This will to dominate is amazing in its strength, profound in its dedication and consistency, and evil in its disregard for the needs of others. We have discovered the soil in which the seed of sin is germinated.

Uh-oh, 4-year-old Sue has become addicted to sin --"Sue’s addiction to dominance is as strong as any addiction to heroin, alcohol, pornography, or gambling."

And here's how the parents have to deal with it, says Michael -- "Fear God and the king. When adults or children choose the wrong path they must be brought to repentance....Sue is too young to fear God, but properly placed fear is essential to mental and spiritual health. Sue needs to fear her parents as Christians fear God. I am not talking about fear of a spanking, nor fear of their presence, but rather, she should fear the authority they command."

And here's how mom is supposed to begin creating that fear of authority -- "When you do spank, make sure that it is forceful enough to get her undivided attention. If she can scream “huggie” while you are spanking her, you are probably not spanking hard enough.
Do not allow 15 seconds to lapse between the offense and the spanking. And do not allow more than 10 feet between the place of the offense and the place of spanking. The association is essential. Don’t hug her in reference to the spanking. That is an apology, and it is a diversion from the issues."

And here's how mom's supposed to finish the job, using the example of Sue repeatedly getting up or asking for things at night -- "Let her watch the clock with you. When the hand gets to the bedtime hour, you will kiss her good night and leave the room. Do not answer any more questions, and do not respond except with a switch, in the event she breaks any of the rules. If she gets up to potty, there had better be yellow liquid in the pot, or she gets another switching....

"You can get an intercom and mount it high on the wall so you can hear everything that goes on in her room. Don’t let her know that her room is bugged. If you can’t get the intercom, you may have to sleep outside her room. If she gets out of bed, go in there, and without saying a word, give her one or two licks—whatever it takes to get her back in bed. If she rushes to obey when she hears you coming, give her five licks anyway.
Do not drag her to the bed. It is important that she exercise her own will to obey. If she throws a screaming fit, give her several moderate licks every few minutes and wait beside her until she is so tired she obeys. Do this all night long, every night, until she readily complies."

https://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/the-will-to-dominate/?topic_slug=babies-challenging-authority

Edited August 26, 2020 by Churchhoney

[Westiepeach]

5 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

So here's the secret or not-so-secret guru of, at least, Meeechelle and Jill R, Michael Pearl, on kids and SIN!!!! If you heard people constantly talking about little kids like this -- and all these people did because Pearl and others who agree with him (like their parents) were always talking like this and, for all we know, still are. People have cringing in the younger Duggarlings in recent years. ... And we know Jill R is heavily into this still. She sent Nurie and Kaylie to live with the Pearls a few summers ago.

The vision childhood -- hell, the vision of people in here -- is kind of astonishing, if you ask me.

4-year-old parents are finding hard to control -- Pearl's description -- "The only factor common to all her weird acts of defiance is defiance itself. She seeks to dominate because that is where her greatest pleasure lies. Sue finds pleasure in standing crossways to the will of others. She is on a quest for sovereignty—to be the supreme potentate. She will not make the compromises necessary to be a part of society."

Who was the first person to act like 4-year-old Sue? --  "Lucifer was the first one to take independent action. The Bible speaks of his motive: “I will ascend up; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God (above other angels and cherubim); I will be like the most high (be like God) (Isaiah 14:14).” The original sin was not committed by Adam. It was committed by Lucifer, the cherub. He developed a will to dominate, to control, to call the shots, to direct not only his affairs, but the affairs of others. He wanted to be sovereign."

Here's how he describes what Sue's mother tries to do --"Though she is perplexed as to what she should do, she knows that there are answers, things she can do that will purge her daughter of this diabolical will to dominate."

Surprise surprise, Sue is just like that old debbil EVE -- "This was the third aspect of Eve’s temptation—to be like the gods, to know good and evil without making any judgments. The Apostle John calls it “the pride of life.” Originally it was just a child’s desire for pleasure, but not any more. It is now something much worse. This child’s desire for pleasure has now mutated into a desire to dominate. This will to dominate is amazing in its strength, profound in its dedication and consistency, and evil in its disregard for the needs of others. We have discovered the soil in which the seed of sin is germinated.

Uh-oh, 4-year-old Sue has become addicted to sin --"Sue’s addiction to dominance is as strong as any addiction to heroin, alcohol, pornography, or gambling."

And here's how the parents have to deal with it, says Michael -- "Fear God and the king. When adults or children choose the wrong path they must be brought to repentance....Sue is too young to fear God, but properly placed fear is essential to mental and spiritual health. Sue needs to fear her parents as Christians fear God. I am not talking about fear of a spanking, nor fear of their presence, but rather, she should fear the authority they command."

And here's how mom is supposed to begin creating that fear of authority -- "When you do spank, make sure that it is forceful enough to get her undivided attention. If she can scream “huggie” while you are spanking her, you are probably not spanking hard enough.
Do not allow 15 seconds to lapse between the offense and the spanking. And do not allow more than 10 feet between the place of the offense and the place of spanking. The association is essential. Don’t hug her in reference to the spanking. That is an apology, and it is a diversion from the issues."

And here's how mom's supposed to finish the job, using the example of Sue repeatedly getting up or asking for things at night -- "Let her watch the clock with you. When the hand gets to the bedtime hour, you will kiss her good night and leave the room. Do not answer any more questions, and do not respond except with a switch, in the event she breaks any of the rules. If she gets up to potty, there had better be yellow liquid in the pot, or she gets another switching....

"You can get an intercom and mount it high on the wall so you can hear everything that goes on in her room. Don’t let her know that her room is bugged. If you can’t get the intercom, you may have to sleep outside her room. If she gets out of bed, go in there, and without saying a word, give her one or two licks—whatever it takes to get her back in bed. If she rushes to obey when she hears you coming, give her five licks anyway.
Do not drag her to the bed. It is important that she exercise her own will to obey. If she throws a screaming fit, give her several moderate licks every few minutes and wait beside her until she is so tired she obeys. Do this all night long, every night, until she readily complies."

https://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/the-will-to-dominate/?topic_slug=babies-challenging-authority

Oh. My. God. 😥

[crazycatlady58]

And people wonder why the Digger adults don't rebel against their parents/their upbringing. Raised this way since birth almost, under educated and in the case of the Rodriguez children probably under fed which can have a negative effect on the intelligence.

[rue721]

2 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

So here's the secret or not-so-secret guru of, at least, Meeechelle and Jill R, Michael Pearl, on kids and SIN!!!! If you heard people constantly talking about little kids like this -- and all these people did because Pearl and others who agree with him (like their parents) were always talking like this and, for all we know, still are. People have reported seeing cringing in younger Duggarlings in recent years. ... And we know Jill R is heavily into this still. She sent Nurie and Kaylie to live with the Pearls a few summers ago.

Makes you see why Jessa, Jill, etc., have thought so much in terms of sin.

The vision of children -- hell, the vision of people in here -- is kind of astonishing, if you ask me. And there are reams and reams and reams of this stuff that all these people have eagerly read. And the thing is, it has tiny grains of truth in it here and there -- so that can draw people in -- and then he takes it to this crazy crazy place, using scripture, something they're all total suckers for.

This is about a 4-year-old that parents are finding hard to control -- Pearl's description -- "The only factor common to all her weird acts of defiance is defiance itself. She seeks to dominate because that is where her greatest pleasure lies. Sue finds pleasure in standing crossways to the will of others. She is on a quest for sovereignty—to be the supreme potentate. She will not make the compromises necessary to be a part of society."

Who was the first person to act like 4-year-old Sue? --  "Lucifer was the first one to take independent action. The Bible speaks of his motive: “I will ascend up; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God (above other angels and cherubim); I will be like the most high (be like God) (Isaiah 14:14).” The original sin was not committed by Adam. It was committed by Lucifer, the cherub. He developed a will to dominate, to control, to call the shots, to direct not only his affairs, but the affairs of others. He wanted to be sovereign."

Here's how he describes what Sue's mother tries to do --"Though she is perplexed as to what she should do, she knows that there are answers, things she can do that will purge her daughter of this diabolical will to dominate."

Surprise surprise, Sue is just like that old debbil EVE -- "This was the third aspect of Eve’s temptation—to be like the gods, to know good and evil without making any judgments. The Apostle John calls it “the pride of life.” Originally it was just a child’s desire for pleasure, but not any more. It is now something much worse. This child’s desire for pleasure has now mutated into a desire to dominate. This will to dominate is amazing in its strength, profound in its dedication and consistency, and evil in its disregard for the needs of others. We have discovered the soil in which the seed of sin is germinated.

Uh-oh, 4-year-old Sue has become addicted to sin --"Sue’s addiction to dominance is as strong as any addiction to heroin, alcohol, pornography, or gambling."

And here's how the parents have to deal with it, says Michael -- "Fear God and the king. When adults or children choose the wrong path they must be brought to repentance....Sue is too young to fear God, but properly placed fear is essential to mental and spiritual health. Sue needs to fear her parents as Christians fear God. I am not talking about fear of a spanking, nor fear of their presence, but rather, she should fear the authority they command."

And here's how mom is supposed to begin creating that fear of authority -- "When you do spank, make sure that it is forceful enough to get her undivided attention. If she can scream “huggie” while you are spanking her, you are probably not spanking hard enough.
Do not allow 15 seconds to lapse between the offense and the spanking. And do not allow more than 10 feet between the place of the offense and the place of spanking. The association is essential. Don’t hug her in reference to the spanking. That is an apology, and it is a diversion from the issues."

And here's how mom's supposed to finish the job, using the example of Sue repeatedly getting up or asking for things at night -- "Let her watch the clock with you. When the hand gets to the bedtime hour, you will kiss her good night and leave the room. Do not answer any more questions, and do not respond except with a switch, in the event she breaks any of the rules. If she gets up to potty, there had better be yellow liquid in the pot, or she gets another switching....

"You can get an intercom and mount it high on the wall so you can hear everything that goes on in her room. Don’t let her know that her room is bugged. If you can’t get the intercom, you may have to sleep outside her room. If she gets out of bed, go in there, and without saying a word, give her one or two licks—whatever it takes to get her back in bed. If she rushes to obey when she hears you coming, give her five licks anyway.
Do not drag her to the bed. It is important that she exercise her own will to obey. If she throws a screaming fit, give her several moderate licks every few minutes and wait beside her until she is so tired she obeys. Do this all night long, every night, until she readily complies."

https://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/the-will-to-dominate/?topic_slug=babies-challenging-authority

Abuse abuse abuse!

I don’t have any kids, just a dog that I love to pieces...and I can never imagine hurting my dog like that! For offenses like being stubborn or wanting to go to the bathroom 😥😞 My heart breaks for children who were or are treated the way the Perl’s want — it’s cruelty. Total lack of compassion on the part of the parents *cough* I mean wardens and overseers.

[Zella]

5 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

If she can scream “huggie” while you are spanking her, you are probably not spanking hard enough.

Holy fuck reading that made me sick to my stomach. They can dance around that all they want, but that's not discipline--that's beating your kid. Especially a four-year-old whose "evil sin" is getting up at night. Wonder how Michael Pearl would feel if someone beat the living shit out of him every time he got up to take a piss in the wee hours of the morning. 

Edited August 27, 2020 by Zella

[SMama]

I volunteer to do the beating. 

[Zella]

1 minute ago, SMama said:

I volunteer to do the beating. 

I think we should all get in line to dole one out to him! 🙂 

[Madtown]

Spurgeon wanted to bake bread.

 

[galaxygirl76]

8 hours ago, Zella said:

I think we should all get in line to dole one out to him! 🙂 

We can do this Murder on the Orient Express style. The Pearls are the absolute worst.

[QuinnInND]

What the fuck was that I read?? Good God.  My parents weren't pearl followers, but that sounds like the way I was treated as a kid. Beaten, cuffed for anything. Unreal that people advocate that for children. Smh.  

Topic? Homemade bread is the best! Yum! Warm yeasty goodness. Now I want to make bread. Off to check the pantry for ingredients! 

[BigBingerBro]

[lookeyloo]

What in the world?  Are those girls Ivy and Lissy?  Oy I wouldn't have posted that picture.

[emmawoodhouse]

What did Jinger do with Lissy's hair? It looks like she just woke up from a nap. 

[GeeGolly]

2 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

What did Jinger do with Lissy's hair? It looks like she just woke up from a nap. 

Look at Ivy's!

[emmawoodhouse]

Yikes! I guess Jessa wants to be "relatable," but she forgot about her image-conscious sister. 

[JoanArc]

25 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

What in the world?  Are those girls Ivy and Lissy?  Oy I wouldn't have posted that picture.

Which is why Jessa posted it!

[GeeGolly]

Having raised my kids when the cordless house phone was a new phenomenon, I wonder how kids as young as Ivy and Lissy, figure out phones. How do they know when they're watching something or when they're talking with someone. And how do they know when its a character from a show or a relative? 

[crazy8s]

19 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Having raised my kids when the cordless house phone was a new phenomenon, I wonder how kids as young as Ivy and Lissy, figure out phones. How do they know when they're watching something or when they're talking with someone. And how do they know when its a character from a show or a relative? 

18 month old grand girl always tries to grab my nose on face time, she knows it's me but would be equally happy trying to grab minnie mouse's nose- somehow she has also figured out how to send random videos - mostly of her feet or the ceiling. and long texts of all emojis are always her because the older 3 can spell and send real messages

[Tasya]

It's FaceTime which is why it's blurry. My biggest take away is that Felicity gives two shits about her Arkansas family lol. 

[heckkitty]

On 8/26/2020 at 2:22 PM, Churchhoney said:

So here's the secret or not-so-secret guru of, at least, Meeechelle and Jill R, Michael Pearl, on kids and SIN!!!! If you heard people constantly talking about little kids like this -- and all these people did because Pearl and others who agree with him (like their parents) were always talking like this and, for all we know, still are. People have reported seeing cringing in younger Duggarlings in recent years. ... And we know Jill R is heavily into this still. She sent Nurie and Kaylie to live with the Pearls a few summers ago.

Makes you see why Jessa, Jill, etc., have thought so much in terms of sin.

The vision of children -- hell, the vision of people in here -- is kind of astonishing, if you ask me. And there are reams and reams and reams of this stuff that all these people have eagerly read. And the thing is, it has tiny grains of truth in it here and there -- so that can draw people in -- and then he takes it to this crazy crazy place, using scripture, something they're all total suckers for.

This is about a 4-year-old that parents are finding hard to control -- Pearl's description -- "The only factor common to all her weird acts of defiance is defiance itself. She seeks to dominate because that is where her greatest pleasure lies. Sue finds pleasure in standing crossways to the will of others. She is on a quest for sovereignty—to be the supreme potentate. She will not make the compromises necessary to be a part of society."

Who was the first person to act like 4-year-old Sue? --  "Lucifer was the first one to take independent action. The Bible speaks of his motive: “I will ascend up; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God (above other angels and cherubim); I will be like the most high (be like God) (Isaiah 14:14).” The original sin was not committed by Adam. It was committed by Lucifer, the cherub. He developed a will to dominate, to control, to call the shots, to direct not only his affairs, but the affairs of others. He wanted to be sovereign."

Here's how he describes what Sue's mother tries to do --"Though she is perplexed as to what she should do, she knows that there are answers, things she can do that will purge her daughter of this diabolical will to dominate."

Surprise surprise, Sue is just like that old debbil EVE -- "This was the third aspect of Eve’s temptation—to be like the gods, to know good and evil without making any judgments. The Apostle John calls it “the pride of life.” Originally it was just a child’s desire for pleasure, but not any more. It is now something much worse. This child’s desire for pleasure has now mutated into a desire to dominate. This will to dominate is amazing in its strength, profound in its dedication and consistency, and evil in its disregard for the needs of others. We have discovered the soil in which the seed of sin is germinated.

Uh-oh, 4-year-old Sue has become addicted to sin --"Sue’s addiction to dominance is as strong as any addiction to heroin, alcohol, pornography, or gambling."

And here's how the parents have to deal with it, says Michael -- "Fear God and the king. When adults or children choose the wrong path they must be brought to repentance....Sue is too young to fear God, but properly placed fear is essential to mental and spiritual health. Sue needs to fear her parents as Christians fear God. I am not talking about fear of a spanking, nor fear of their presence, but rather, she should fear the authority they command."

And here's how mom is supposed to begin creating that fear of authority -- "When you do spank, make sure that it is forceful enough to get her undivided attention. If she can scream “huggie” while you are spanking her, you are probably not spanking hard enough.
Do not allow 15 seconds to lapse between the offense and the spanking. And do not allow more than 10 feet between the place of the offense and the place of spanking. The association is essential. Don’t hug her in reference to the spanking. That is an apology, and it is a diversion from the issues."

And here's how mom's supposed to finish the job, using the example of Sue repeatedly getting up or asking for things at night -- "Let her watch the clock with you. When the hand gets to the bedtime hour, you will kiss her good night and leave the room. Do not answer any more questions, and do not respond except with a switch, in the event she breaks any of the rules. If she gets up to potty, there had better be yellow liquid in the pot, or she gets another switching....

"You can get an intercom and mount it high on the wall so you can hear everything that goes on in her room. Don’t let her know that her room is bugged. If you can’t get the intercom, you may have to sleep outside her room. If she gets out of bed, go in there, and without saying a word, give her one or two licks—whatever it takes to get her back in bed. If she rushes to obey when she hears you coming, give her five licks anyway.
Do not drag her to the bed. It is important that she exercise her own will to obey. If she throws a screaming fit, give her several moderate licks every few minutes and wait beside her until she is so tired she obeys. Do this all night long, every night, until she readily complies."

https://nogreaterjoy.org/articles/the-will-to-dominate/?topic_slug=babies-challenging-authority

Where. The. Hell. Is the anger reaction on here?😡

[BigBingerBro]

[QuinnInND]

 

[Temperance]

Felicity looks like she might be at a haircutters. Ivy's in a awkward hair phase. 

[GeeGolly]

Looks like Ben lost his chair, at least in the living room. I think I saw a fold up picnic table in between the two rooms too. Jessa seems to change up her living room monthly.

[lookeyloo]

Ivy looks like baby Josie.

[Genevrier]

4 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

Ivy looks like baby Josie.

Yikes!

[QuinnInND]

 

[GeeGolly]

No truck for Ivy?

[Chicklet]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

No truck for Ivy?

What are you suggesting? That girls and boys play with the same toys? Unpossible! Girls play with dolls and play house.

[iwantcookies]

Another job that they won’t be allowed to do.

[BitterApple]

7 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

Ivy looks like baby Josie.

My first thought! I was wondering if anyone else would notice or if it was just me. 

[Mindthinkr]

7 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Jessa seems to change up her living room monthly.

Oh, you must mean clean it!
If you move stuff to vacuum it’s just easier to leave it rearranged.