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Jessa, Ben and Their Brood: Making a (Diaper) Mountain out of a Mold House


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5 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Yikes. Two girls with jobs and another in school? No wonder the Seewalds don't seem welcome at the TTH anymore. They might inspire Jana to apply at Home Depot and tell her parents to piss off. 

Worse. They might inspire Hannie/Jennifer/Jordyn/Josie to aspire to do something more with her life. 

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20 minutes ago, Temperance said:
5 hours ago, BitterApple said:

Yikes. Two girls with jobs and another in school? No wonder the Seewalds don't seem welcome at the TTH anymore. They might inspire Jana to apply at Home Depot and tell her parents to piss off. 

Worse. They might inspire Hannie/Jennifer/Jordyn/Josie to aspire to do something more with her life. 

Wouldn't that be awesome!

I'd be thrilled if the Seewald in-laws could inspire Ben & Jessa to do something more with their lives than grift and kiss JB's ass.

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6 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

She went to the academy?  Good for her.  In our state you have to be at least 23.  

Very curious about the educational and other requirements of her force. DH is a LEO and hiring in our metro area is extremely competitive for newbies. MH  evaluations, neighbors interviewed as character references. Incredibly deep background search. 

Good for her though.  21 is the minimum age here to take the POST exam. 

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I'm surprised that the 3 Seewald daughters are working. I remember hearing one went rogue wearing pants, dating and even wearing a typical bathing suit, but when the family was introduced to us they seemed as Fundy as the Duggar family. Ben's father posted Fundy writings and was impatient and pushy about Ben marrying Jessa.

I'm not sure Ben and Jessa are envying the sisters though. I think they believe they're celebrities. Even if Ben and Jessa are taking home around $50,000 between them from TLC, they're not doing much to earn it. Ben has time to study and take classes and still earn money filming. Three more kids and no TLC might have them feeling differently though.

Is the Seewald daughter a real police officer? Around here there are ceremonies with cops getting pinned in full uniform.  

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23 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm surprised that the 3 Seewald daughters are working. I remember hearing one went rogue wearing pants, dating and even wearing a typical bathing suit, but when the family was introduced to us they seemed as Fundy as the Duggar family. Ben's father posted Fundy writings and was impatient and pushy about Ben marrying Jessa.

I'm not sure Ben and Jessa are envying the sisters though. I think they believe they're celebrities. Even if Ben and Jessa are taking home around $50,000 between them from TLC, they're not doing much to earn it. Ben has time to study and take classes and still earn money filming. Three more kids and no TLC might have them feeling differently though.

Is the Seewald daughter a real police officer? Around here there are ceremonies with cops getting pinned in full uniform.  

Jessica (police officer above) was the one who wore daring clothing, I thought.  I seem to remember some screen capture where she was holding Spurge (or Henry), clad in short (for Duggars) shorts.

She's also, IIRC, the one who social media-leaked Spurgeon's name and quickly drew it back.

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9 hours ago, Catfin said:

Very curious about the educational and other requirements of her force. DH is a LEO and hiring in our metro area is extremely competitive for newbies. MH  evaluations, neighbors interviewed as character references. Incredibly deep background search. 

Good for her though.  21 is the minimum age here to take the POST exam. 

I know a lot of law enforcement departments are now seeking people with four year college degrees. Some departments have a hard time getting good quality people. In Helena, they have a lot of people applying for few spots. They are also looking for more female officers. They did have one female officer go through the law enforcement academy, but she left two weeks after she graduated after starting her patrol training because she felt she could not handle the job.

It is nice to see Ben's sister going into a tough demanding field. Good luck to her!

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They did have one female officer go through the law enforcement academy, but she left two weeks after she graduated after starting her patrol training because she felt she could not handle the job.

The weeding out process could be quicker!

Many years ago I took a civil service test to work with disabled individuals. The people who requested a certain facility were to come in for orientation. Included was a film, pretty true to the job. There were 20 of us, and 4 left after the film. They had no idea what the job entailed until that day. That’s early weeding out!

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12 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

I wonder how JB feels about all of this because Ben's sister has topped JD. How terrible a female becomes a full time officer while JD is a volunteer constable. I love it!

I wonder if JD still has time for that constable stuff.  So much piloting to do these days!

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6 minutes ago, riverblue22 said:

I wonder if JD still has time for that constable stuff.  So much piloting to do these days!

He was voted in I believe, so he must be doing it still. I know where I live the reserve deputies and officers put in 40+ hours a week just like the regular full time ones do. I have nothing against volunteers because they work just as hard as the regular officers with the same type of training (except for the three months of training at the law enforcement academy.) In otherwords, they need brain power, physical strength, and good people skills. Something the Duggars are lacking in.

7 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Is the Seewald daughter a real police officer? Around here there are ceremonies with cops getting pinned in full uniform.  

She worked as a dispatcher for almost a year and worked at a sandwich shop before that.  She never went to the police academy, so knows what her job title really is.

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She was seen as the rebel after she moved in with her boyfriend and started dressing like a normal girl. She is dating a cop now and apparently drinks, too.  I think the Seewalds have loosened up a little because of her.

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2 minutes ago, Lunera said:

She worked as a dispatcher for almost a year and worked at a sandwich shop before that.  She never went to the police academy, so knows what her job title really is.

 

Maybe she's heading into the academy, or doing a new position that puts her on an academy track? I have a cousin in law enforcement, and he started in emergency dispatch. He did it locally, then for a county, then was accepted into the academy, went to work for a sheriff's dept, then a local police dept, and I believe now works for the state as an investigator. Basically, he put in the work at various low-level jobs and worked his way up to meet his goals.

If Jessica Seewald started in dispatch and is now some sort of officer, she's probably on the same general path, so good for her! I wonder if she's also pursuing a degree in criminal justice or if she picks up credits for that as she goes...

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59 minutes ago, questionfear said:

Maybe she's heading into the academy, or doing a new position that puts her on an academy track? I have a cousin in law enforcement, and he started in emergency dispatch. He did it locally, then for a county, then was accepted into the academy, went to work for a sheriff's dept, then a local police dept, and I believe now works for the state as an investigator. Basically, he put in the work at various low-level jobs and worked his way up to meet his goals.

If Jessica Seewald started in dispatch and is now some sort of officer, she's probably on the same general path, so good for her! I wonder if she's also pursuing a degree in criminal justice or if she picks up credits for that as she goes...

She could have been hire as an officer and is heading to the academy. I know this is the way they do it where I live unless you have certification from the state as a law enforcement officer (already went through the academy.) There was one young man who just graduated from the academy and started his patrol training who graduated from college with a four year degree, was a 911 dispatcher, a reserve sheriff deputy, and was hired last year as a police officer. His uncle was a sheriff deputy and a bomb squad technician. A lot of departments are now wanting people to have four year degrees in criminal justice and/or other related fields. I know some of the volunteers I know became volunteers because they wanted to go in the law enforcement field. One guy was hired as a state prison guard, a couple were hired as 911 dispatchers, one went to school to study criminal justice, and a few went though police reserve training.

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12 hours ago, BitterApple said:

They definitely can't have that. There'd be no one left to play Auntie-Mom to the ever-growing horde of grandchildren.

Or caregiver to Meechelle and Jim Boob

2 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

I know a lot of law enforcement departments are now seeking people with four year college degrees. Some departments have a hard time getting good quality people. In Helena, they have a lot of people applying for few spots. They are also looking for more female officers. They did have one female officer go through the law enforcement academy, but she left two weeks after she graduated after starting her patrol training because she felt she could not handle the job.

It is nice to see Ben's sister going into a tough demanding field. Good luck to her!

I know here it is pretty much mandatory.  If you want to be Corporal, Lt, Captain, Chief you need higher than a bachelor's.

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The kidney specialist who was taking care of my husband when he was first diagnosed told us about a guy who became a sheriff deputy after getting a kidney/pancreas transplant. Someone who wanted to help others after what we went through. Ben, Jessa and the rest of the Duggar clan could take lesson from him.

FWIW, many municipalities around where I live in Louisiana don't require college degrees to be in law enforcement.  Some of the people who work in law enforcement here have degrees, but most have some college classes but no degree.  I think areas with a more highly educated populace/more college graduates would be more inclined to require a degree for law enforcement, but in areas (like much of the south) where educational attainment among the population is lower, college degrees aren't as likely to be a requirement for the local police/sheriff's office.

From North Little Rock PD's hiring page: http://www.nlrpolice.org/recruitment/police_officer_hiring_procedure/

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North Little Rock's police force doesn't require any education beyond a GED/high school diploma (and it looks like they pay about $6,000 below the national average salary for an entry level police officer).

Good for Jessica Seewald! 

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The examination from a practicing psychiatry or psychology would disqualify the Duggars along with a thorough background investigation. I could imagine the background check on JD. He is so godly, he serves the Lord, he puts the Lord first etc. etc. The psychologist or psychiatrist would have a field day with him or any other Duggar wanting to be a full time law enforcement officer.

Not to mention pass a GED - I don't think SODT education would allow many of them to pass a GED.  And then there's the whole interview where you need to show your ability to communicate - I'm not sure anyone other than MAYBE - and that' a big maybe JD and Jana would have a shot at that part.

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39 minutes ago, DragonFaerie said:

Not to mention pass a GED - I don't think SODT education would allow many of them to pass a GED.  And then there's the whole interview where you need to show your ability to communicate - I'm not sure anyone other than MAYBE - and that' a big maybe JD and Jana would have a shot at that part.

Talking on a reality television show or doing an interview for a magazine would be different than dealing with all sort of people ranging from a little kid to a drug dealer, child molester, a woman who got the crap beaten out of her, having to tell someone a family member was killed by a drunk driver, or being able to communicate well with dispatchers, your fellow law enforcement officers, and other emergency personnel in cases where every second counts, and you need to depend on others to protect you. JD may have done a little of this type of thing, but I do not think any of the Duggars would do well being interviewed by a police chief or the officer(s) who handle the training aspect.

I would love to see who the Duggars would use as references because family members would not work out too well. I know when I applied to be a volunteer I needed three references. I could have use a family member or friend, but I went with three professional references instead. Who knows...Maybe JB might try to hook up one of his available sons with Ben's sister. Hey maybe he could hook her up with JD.

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2 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

The examination from a practicing psychiatry or psychology would disqualify the Duggars along with a thorough background investigation. I could imagine the background check on JD. He is so godly, he serves the Lord, he puts the Lord first etc. etc. The psychologist or psychiatrist would have a field day with him or any other Duggar wanting to be a full time law enforcement officer.

Interesting, right?  My late brother, who was a clinical psychologist, did evaluations for some law enforcement agencies in the south.  He didn't do it for long, because he could identify red flags, but the agencies weren't interested. They wanted very cursory exams just to sort of cover themselves.  They were looking for warm bodies.  Entry level or maybe upper level, law enforcement doesn't pay well, sadly, so there are a lot of vacancies.  

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1 minute ago, lookeyloo said:

Interesting, right?  My late brother, who was a clinical psychologist, did evaluations for some law enforcement agencies in the south.  He didn't do it for long, because he could identify red flags, but the agencies weren't interested. They wanted very cursory exams just to sort of cover themselves.  They were looking for warm bodies.  Entry level or maybe upper level, law enforcement doesn't pay well, sadly, so there are a lot of vacancies.  

Scary! I bet the warm body way of thinking is part of the reason why JD was voted in as constable. In fact, when you think of the Duggar way of courting and marriage, the warm body theory comes into play. JB still has some vacancies to full.

I also think any Duggar child would not do well on the written test because I heard it is darn right hard.

6 hours ago, MyPeopleAreNordic said:

FWIW, many municipalities around where I live in Louisiana don't require college degrees to be in law enforcement.  Some of the people who work in law enforcement here have degrees, but most have some college classes but no degree.  I think areas with a more highly educated populace/more college graduates would be more inclined to require a degree for law enforcement, but in areas (like much of the south) where educational attainment among the population is lower, college degrees aren't as likely to be a requirement for the local police/sheriff's office.

Ditto for the local PDs my cousin and now two of his daughters work for in Maryland - the girls do/did admin/desk work until they’re 21, and went thru the academy, but both went directly from high school.

 

I haven’t particularly followed the other Seewalds, but good for Ben’s sister, living her own way as an adult, and nice to see her parents there supporting her despite the tensions that likely came with some other decisions (like living with the boyfriend!).

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10 hours ago, riverblue22 said:

I wonder if JD still has time for that constable stuff.  So much piloting to do these days!

 

9 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

He was voted in I believe, so he must be doing it still. I know where I live the reserve deputies and officers put in 40+ hours a week just like the regular full time ones do. I have nothing against volunteers because they work just as hard as the regular officers with the same type of training (except for the three months of training at the law enforcement academy.) In otherwords, they need brain power, physical strength, and good people skills. Something the Duggars are lacking in.

 

3 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

Scary! I bet the warm body way of thinking is part of the reason why JD was voted in as constable. In fact, when you think of the Duggar way of courting and marriage, the warm body theory comes into play. JB still has some vacancies to full.

I also think any Duggar child would not do well on the written test because I heard it is darn right hard.

Constable is purely a political office in Arkansas. (I say all this as the sister of an Arkansas constable. I adore my brother and he is a good guy, so I'm not bashing the position just to be bashing.) There is absolutely no requirement for you to do anything -- there are no minimal hours you must put it, no patrols you go on, no mandatory shifts, no reason to ever set foot in the police department or sheriff's office. You fill out some paperwork to run for office and participate in the election. I know people who have been constable since the 1970s and never done anything -- they never even have campaigned. On the flip side, they don't get paid and provide their own equipment and transportation. 

Since we're in a rural county, it occasionally means local people who are having a domestic dispute call the constable because it's quicker for the constable to come than the sheriff. People on my road have done that for years because the constable will at least be there in 5-10 minutes, rather than 20-45 minutes, like the sheriff's department.

That's not to say that the constable does not have a lot of power (in my county and I assume all of Arkansas, a constable has the authority to arrest the sheriff, as well as anyone else, so the general rule of thumb is don't vote for a crazy mad dog because once they're constable, they can be hell to deal with). 

For all those reasons, JD's constable position does not make me think he has any default training or even that much law enforcement experience, though I give him kudos for at least having a little more ambition than the others. He may very well volunteer for the department in addition to his constable work, but it is not a requirement. (Unless his county has stricter constable requirements, which is possible. But I really don't see people where they live calling the constable--they are right outside one of the largest cities in the state. They won't have to worry about a delayed response time.)

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46 minutes ago, Zella said:

 

 

Constable is purely a political office in Arkansas. (I say all this as the sister of an Arkansas constable. I adore my brother and he is a good guy, so I'm not bashing the position just to be bashing.) There is absolutely no requirement for you to do anything -- there are no minimal hours you must put it, no patrols you go on, no mandatory shifts, no reason to ever set foot in the police department or sheriff's office. You fill out some paperwork to run for office and participate in the election. I know people who have been constable since the 1970s and never done anything -- they never even have campaigned. On the flip side, they don't get paid and provide their own equipment and transportation. 

Since we're in a rural county, it occasionally means local people who are having a domestic dispute call the constable because it's quicker for the constable to come than the sheriff. People on my road have done that for years because the constable will at least be there in 5-10 minutes, rather than 20-45 minutes, like the sheriff's department.

That's not to say that the constable does not have a lot of power (in my county and I assume all of Arkansas, a constable has the authority to arrest the sheriff, as well as anyone else, so the general rule of thumb is don't vote for a crazy mad dog because once they're constable, they can be hell to deal with). 

For all those reasons, JD's constable position does not make me think he has any default training or even that much law enforcement experience, though I give him kudos for at least having a little more ambition than the others. He may very well volunteer for the department in addition to his constable work, but it is not a requirement. (Unless his county has stricter constable requirements, which is possible. But I really don't see people where they live calling the constable--they are right outside one of the largest cities in the state. They won't have to worry about a delayed response time.)

I do remember reading someplace JD can serve papers to someone who is getting kick out of their house or apartment for not paying rent, and he can pull people over for traffic violation, but I do not think he is probably sent out on more serious situations or ask to back up local law enforcement officers. I also wonder if JB pulled some strings to get JD elected constable. Of course the Duggars pretend JD is a big shot law enforcement officer, but we know he probably is not. And lets not forget the one stupid episode where JB went on a ride along with JD.  I still cannot believe people voted for him after the episode. He was an embarrassment to the uniform.

I still love the fact a sister of one of JB's sons-in-law is more successful than all of his sons put together. Take that Duggars!!!

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21 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

I do remember reading someplace JD can serve papers to someone who is getting kick out of their house or apartment for not paying rent, and he can pull people over for traffic violation, but I do not think he is probably sent out on more serious situations or ask to back up local law enforcement officers. I also wonder if JB pulled some strings to get JD elected constable. Of course the Duggars pretend JD is a big shot law enforcement officer, but we know he probably is not. And lets not forget the one stupid episode where JB went on a ride along with JD.  I still cannot believe people voted for him after the episode. He was an embarrassment to the uniform.

I still love the fact a sister of one of JB's sons-in-law is more successful than all of his sons put together. Take that Duggars!!!

 

Just based on my own observations, I don't think Arkansas constables are "sent out" by dispatch or would ever be requested as backup. If they were, it would have to be a truly awful situation. We've had murders and high-speed chases and whatnot here, and to my knowledge, the constables have never been mobilized.

They really have no official connection to the local law enforcement departments at all and have substantial autonomy. Their work is very much citizen-directed. My brother and the constable before him (a neighbor) just received phone calls from residents in their districts. My brother actually has no radio or official means to communicate with the sheriff's office. The neighbor has a police scanner, but it's just because he is nosy. I don't think he had any way for them to communicate with him either. 

There's certainly an off-chance they could be called into a really tense domestic dispute or some other potentially dangerous situation, but that's definitely not normal. The worst I heard--and this is awful to tell on someone!--is the neighbor who was a constable was called to respond to a fight between a guy and his soon-to-be-ex girlfriend. Said girlfriend was expressing her anger by taking craps (yes, more than one) on the floor, so the constable had to detain her and remove her from the property. I never asked about the logistics of that. ;)

It's entirely possible that JB pulled strings! That wouldn't surprise me at all. It is also possible JD gets voted for based on his last name. Constable races are often not competitive, so they might just run for it, knowing it is unlikely he would be challenged. In fact, the Arkansas constable website mentions that only about half of all jurisdictions have a constable. Here in my county, it's not uncommon for the constable to be elected by default simply because there is no challenger. 

I've never seen the ride-along episode. That must have been a stunt or something he asked to do to burnish his "credentials." My brother has never been on a ride-along, despite being friends with several people in the department. I seriously doubt that is something he does as part of his regular duties.

I agree the Duggars try to make it out like JD is a big-time law enforcement officer when he isn't. There's no shame in being a constable, but it's ridiculous to act like it makes him a highly trained, experienced cop. I am curious what he thinks about the Seewald sister's new career in law enforcement. 

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11 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

He was voted in I believe, so he must be doing it still. I know where I live the reserve deputies and officers put in 40+ hours a week just like the regular full time ones do. I have nothing against volunteers because they work just as hard as the regular officers with the same type of training (except for the three months of training at the law enforcement academy.) In otherwords, they need brain power, physical strength, and good people skills. Something the Duggars are lacking in.

Around here, working as a police reserve officer (unpaid) is a great/common way to get experience while completing degree. It gives you an in with a department and gives them a chance to vet you and vice versa. They are not allowed to carry  guns. 

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2 hours ago, Zella said:

It's entirely possible that JB pulled strings! That wouldn't surprise me at all. It is also possible JD gets voted for based on his last name. Constable races are often not competitive, so they might just run for it, knowing it is unlikely he would be challenged. In fact, the Arkansas constable website mentions that only about half of all jurisdictions have a constable. Here in my county, it's not uncommon for the constable to be elected by default simply because there is no challenger. 

I've never seen the ride-along episode. That must have been a stunt or something he asked to do to burnish his "credentials." My brother has never been on a ride-along, despite being friends with several people in the department. I seriously doubt that is something he does as part of his regular duties.

I agree the Duggars try to make it out like JD is a big-time law enforcement officer when he isn't. There's no shame in being a constable, but it's ridiculous to act like it makes him a highly trained, experienced cop. I am curious what he thinks about the Seewald sister's new career in law enforcement. 

 

Actually as far as I know, JD has run unopposed and wins by default.

I do get the sense that JB wanted him to do it.  He seems to call the shots. It wouldn't suprise me if JD was too busy flying and next election cycle was replaced by one of his brothers. 

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Maybe JB will have Ben do a ride along with his sister when she has finished her training because in his way of thinking observing someone is a way to earn skills. After Ben picks up a few pointers, he can have Ben run for JD's constable seat. Oh what the heck! Just have one of his brothers do a ride along with one of the officers from the department Ben's sister will be a part of since men cannot be taught things by a female.

20 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

The examination from a practicing psychiatry or psychology would disqualify the Duggars along with a thorough background investigation. I could imagine the background check on JD. He is so godly, he serves the Lord, he puts the Lord first etc. etc. The psychologist or psychiatrist would have a field day with him or any other Duggar wanting to be a full time law enforcement officer.

Too bad they won't do that and film it. Now that would make their ratings go way up. Watching the entire Duggar family being questioned by a psychologist or psychiatrist and have to answer their questions? Especially JB and Michelle. And Derick. Josh, Anna... 

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21 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

The examination from a practicing psychiatry or psychology would disqualify the Duggars along with a thorough background investigation. I could imagine the background check on JD. He is so godly, he serves the Lord, he puts the Lord first etc. etc. The psychologist or psychiatrist would have a field day with him or any other Duggar wanting to be a full time law enforcement officer.

The examiner's first conclusion would be an intellectual/educational one: No Duggar has a vocabulary exceeding 200 words. About the same as a three year old.

And a lot fewer than your average border collie.

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2 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

I can see the episode now. Jessa will now try to improve her cooking skills. How exciting! Not!

The thing is, that's something she actually stands a chance of succeeding at it she weren't so cowardly and impatient. Way back when she tried those cooking videos, the food looked awful and everyone mocked her for it. She could have used that and marketed herself as a terrible cook  who's trying to learn. People love that shit. Look at all those food and lifestyle blogs with so-so recipes that are successful because the blogger are so "relatable." But since she has no sense of humor about herself, she chickened out and never tried again. And if she were to try, she'd soon grow frustrated at not having instant success and praise and give up again. 

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