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AstridM

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3 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Jinger wrote about the ED in her book with Jeremy. Nothing new there. 

I assume JB had to tell her it was okay to play or whatever because he was her umbrella of authority. I wonder if Jinger ever shared this anxiety with her parents? She seems to have suffered a lot of anxiety. I wonder if this is common within the IBLP? I mean, they rule with fear, so I imagine being raised that way is hell. 

I wonder if she’s less anxious now because her new beliefs in Calvinism/predestination tell her that it doesn’t matter what she does in life. She’s either one of the “chosen” or not and none of her actions can change that. Great “get out of jail free card,” isn’t it? 

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My push presents after having my kids were my kids. 

Spencer Hastings
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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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AstridM

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2 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

To me, it sounds like they were fed the hardline prolife talking points. Which of course have nothing to do with science. 

Well, yes, but had they eventually learned basic biology, they’d realize that birth control doesn’t actually kill embryos. In fact, hormonal forms simply prevent ovulation. If no egg is released, there can’t be any abortion. Obviously condoms prevent semen from even entering the uterus, and even emergency contraception (aka the morning after pill) acts by preventing pregnancy, not ending a pregnancy. They are just unbelievably ignorant. 

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merylinkid

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2 hours ago, BetyBee said:

Well said! I think JB especially is responsible, since Meech stopped thinking for herself long ago. I believe that if she'd never married him, she'd probably be living a pretty mainstream life. JB is a huge control freak and a very awkward human being in general. He was always going to fail at the important things in life, while being successful at lining his own pockets. 

JB's true Gods are Money and Power.   In either order.   Equally?

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SMama

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27 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

She seems to have suffered a lot of anxiety. I wonder if this is common within the IBLP? I mean, they rule with fear, so I imagine being raised that way is hell. 

At five years old Spurgeon was worried about being 17 and not finding the one, allegedly followed by worrying what if he died without meeting his soul mate. 
 

Kids that age are usually in the here and now. Thoughts of the future revolve around what they want to play next, what snack they want, and how to put off chores and homework. Ben and Jessa rule with fear and it shows.

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SMama

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I don’t care if she was coached but I got a good laugh at Jinger pointing out how Gothard told people how to conduct their marriages, how to raise their children, but he never married and had no children. Even if you do not know much about the Duggars her parents are going to come across as just plain stupid, gullible rubes who screwed up 19 kids (and counting) based on the whims of a sexual predator.

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3 hours ago, AstridM said:

Well, yes, but had they eventually learned basic biology, they’d realize that birth control doesn’t actually kill embryos. In fact, hormonal forms simply prevent ovulation. If no egg is released, there can’t be any abortion. Obviously condoms prevent semen from even entering the uterus, and even emergency contraception (aka the morning after pill) acts by preventing pregnancy, not ending a pregnancy. They are just unbelievably ignorant. 

At the very least, you'd think they'd use the rhythm method (well, maybe some of them do), but I guess that flies in the face of the "always be joyfully available" mantra.

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auntieminem

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5 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

 

I assume JB had to tell her it was okay to play or whatever because he was her umbrella of authority. I wonder if Jinger ever shared this anxiety with her parents? She seems to have suffered a lot of anxiety. I wonder if this is common within the IBLP? I mean, they rule with fear, so I imagine being raised that way is hell. 

They had to have known because she talked about being anxious and afraid at night and going into her parents bedroom often to tell them about it. I think she said they would talk to her. So far she has not said anything bad about her parents but she certainly said a lot about Gothard and how ridiculous and cult like the ILBP is.  It is kind of funny that JB insisted Jeremy listen to Gothard's tapes or videos. Jeremy and Jinger listened/watched together online and then Jeremy would point out things that were not biblical or just crazy. 

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jcbrown

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20 hours ago, AstridM said:

I bet that super special salad cost more than $12.

$11.25 if you buy it in-store, $15.35 from Doordash. In Northern California, anyway.

6 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

One has to wonder how much science they were taught. I imagine it wasn't much. The girls probably only learned about ovulation when they were old enough to read Meech's monthly chart, which hung in the kitchen, IIRC. 

That is so very very creepy and invasive. I guess you would have a good idea of when to NOT go into your parents' room at night.

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Trivial, but..... I just realized that I've become accustomed to seeing Jinger spelled with a J. It was so visually jarring to me at first - back in the TWOP days! - but recently, when seeing a caption spelling her name as Ginger, I did a double-take at the G!

-Signed, the 1967 spelling bee champion of Miller Elementary School. 

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Meow Mix

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The one thing I hope is that this book puts the final nail in the IBLP coffin.  People have been calling out Gothard's false teachings for years (see Recovering Grace), but no one more mainstream famous had done so until now.  Since Jinger was part of the propaganda piece known as Growing Up Duggar, to see her disavow those beliefs is going to resonate with some people within the community.  There will still be diehards like Jill Rodrigues and Lori Alexander, but I think MacArthur is hoping to pull a lot of people who may be wavering his way.  He wants younger middle to upper middle class people to fill his churches and his pockets.  The oldsters he has now are dying off.

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floridamom

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I think the only reason Jinger made "the change" in faith interpretation was because Jeremy, her husband and headship, told her to and pointed her in his direction. She is still just as much controlled now as she was then. I feel sorry for her, I really do, because I don't think she has been given proper education and life experience to actually be her own person. 

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On 1/27/2023 at 12:38 PM, AstridM said:

Well, yes, but had they eventually learned basic biology, they’d realize that birth control doesn’t actually kill embryos. In fact, hormonal forms simply prevent ovulation. If no egg is released, there can’t be any abortion. Obviously condoms prevent semen from even entering the uterus, and even emergency contraception (aka the morning after pill) acts by preventing pregnancy, not ending a pregnancy. They are just unbelievably ignorant. 

Well since JB and Meech think that birth control made Meech miscarry or some shit like that (please feel free to correct me) it's not surprising they think that way. 

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merylinkid

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10 hours ago, Meow Mix said:

He wants younger middle to upper middle class people to fill his churches and his pockets.  T

That leaves out the Rodrigues'.   Jill WANTS to grift into high class.   But the poor starving waifs look is the only thing getting her anything now.  

Gothardism is dead.  Even those who still claim to follow it -- don't really.  And the next generation is moving into more mainstream ultra conservative churches.  Because 1) those don't want to live such restricting lives and 2) they don't want to be 18 people living in a 3 bedroom house after having a kid a year they can't support.   There will be more Jingers than Jill R's in the future.   The kids who grew up poor and crowded won't want to do that as adults, once they find out there are choices.

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satrunrose

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I wish I could be that optimistic (and I do agree that there will be fewer gothardites) but we have an alarming number of the kids who should know better riding the baby train. None of them have made it to the double digits yet, but that's mostly because they haven't had time. I'm quite sure that the M train would have kept going if FF wasn't unavailable. Jed! Joe, Joy and Jessa aren't showing signs of stopping either. Now, you could argue that (for all but Jessa) they missed a lot of the realities of what it means to have 18 people in a three bedroom house, but then you've got Nurie Rod-Keller. Both Nathan and Nurie dealt with the realities of growing up Gothard and yet here's little Newman (complete with letter theme, which neither family had) on his way before Nemo hit 1. 

It makes me sad.

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sagittarius sue

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1 hour ago, satrunrose said:

I wish I could be that optimistic (and I do agree that there will be fewer gothardites) but we have an alarming number of the kids who should know better riding the baby train. None of them have made it to the double digits yet, but that's mostly because they haven't had time. I'm quite sure that the M train would have kept going if FF wasn't unavailable. Jed! Joe, Joy and Jessa aren't showing signs of stopping either. Now, you could argue that (for all but Jessa) they missed a lot of the realities of what it means to have 18 people in a three bedroom house, but then you've got Nurie Rod-Keller. Both Nathan and Nurie dealt with the realities of growing up Gothard and yet here's little Newman (complete with letter theme, which neither family had) on his way before Nemo hit 1. 

It makes me sad.

Agree, along with some revulsion of this adoration of baby bumps and loads of babies and young children.  It's like they worship a fertility god rather than Jesus!

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Twopper

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On 12/18/2022 at 9:45 AM, Fosca said:

Why is it so brown?  I've never had brown pizza; it looks more like something I cleaned up when my cat ate something wrong.

ETA: Someone on Reddit suggested it was a taco pizza with a refried beans base, burnt cheese, and canned jalapeños.  That makes the most sense to me, but I still wouldn't eat it.  

Well, this will teach me never to look at this thread whilst eating my lunch 🤢

having recovered somewhat from the taco that Jeremy made and, presumably, Jinger ate, I have finally somewhat caught up on this thread. 

I will be interested to see what she has to say. It must be tricky to criticize the Gothard cult without making the parents look bad. Of course, I do think that JB and M were pretty awful. I am glad she is on her journey of freedom. 
I think in some/most pictures she is trying to be photogenic. She looks better than okay, but the camera doesn’t love her. 
I am wondering if her book is successful by the church standards, whether she will appear on their merch. I can see a book that is a collection of “her favorites”—prayers, meditations, Bible verses—- or maybe a few Bible study guides ala Beth Moore.

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25 minutes ago, sagittarius sue said:

Jinger was on ABC's Good Morning America.  I haven't watched the video yet, but here it is.

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/19-kids-counting-star-jinger-duggar-opens-family/story?id=96758756

The best part about that segment is that Jinger is referred to as Jinger Duggar 100% of the time, like that Vuolo dude doesn’t exist. This must be so difficult for fame whore Jeremy. 😂

As expected they brought up the FF and Jinger got all teary eyed but held back those tears and didn’t mess up her make up.

Jinger is quoted as saying (re birth control) “just because children are a blessing doesn’t mean you should have as many as you can.” 😱 🔥 

Your turn, JB & Michelle, Joe & Kendra, Ben & Jessa. 

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BetyBee

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I thought Jinger did pretty well in that interview. It's hard to break away from your parents, but it has to feel great to break away from that creep Gothard and disgusting Josh. I'm glad for her that she's come as far as she has. With Jeremy as her support system, she probably won't journey much farther religion-wise, but she is clearly happier where she is now. I hope that her speaking out inspires others in IBLP to do the same and that that awful institution dies out. 

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6 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

I thought Jinger did pretty well in that interview. It's hard to break away from your parents, but it has to feel great to break away from that creep Gothard and disgusting Josh. I'm glad for her that she's come as far as she has. With Jeremy as her support system, she probably won't journey much farther religion-wise, but she is clearly happier where she is now. I hope that her speaking out inspires others in IBLP to do the same and that that awful institution dies out. 

If she is happy, then good for her. In a way, she did get what she wanted. 

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Salacious Kitty

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56 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I didn't watch the interview, but on Reddit, they say she call out Gothard but not (curennt) IBLP.

I think it's implied when she says she rejects the teachings. 

2 minutes ago, auntieminem said:

GMA just had a short clip so hope the entire interview will have more about Gothard and IBLP.  There is a short clip added to her stories and Jeremy was with  her at the interview.  They seem to be in NYC staying with his grandparents. I wonder if she is doing more interviews for the book launch?

The book launches tomorrow, so this is definitely part of the hype machine. She's with a major publishing house this time around.

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andromeda331

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12 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I don't think Gothard is involved. He showed up at Family Camp a few years ago and had a police escort off the property. 

He's not but although the board is the same as it was when they booted him off which they only did after he became a liability Gil and Erin's father-in-law were on the board covering up for Gothard and are still on it. Everything's still the same except without Gothard.

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Salacious Kitty

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1 minute ago, andromeda331 said:

He's not but although the board is the same as it was when they booted him off which they only did after he became a liability Gil and Erin's father-in-law were on the board covering up for Gothard and are still on it. Everything's still the same except without Gothard.

Oh I don't dispute that it's the same, just with a different figurehead. Although they let women wear pants at Family Camp now. That's a change from the Gothard days. But in the scheme of things, it's really nothing.

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SMama

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If Jinger was quoted accurately, that statement about not having as many kids as you can would be the one that would upset her parents the most. Their brand was their legalistic religious beliefs, but what catapulted them into reality TV stardom was the irresponsible breeding. JB hasn’t shied away from his desire to have 200+ grandchildren. Nevermind if the grandchildren are wanted, fed/clothed properly, given enough time, or even loved.

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BetyBee

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The banana curls seem to be a thing of the past. I wish the stupid wisdom booklets were too. That stuff was all Gothard's personal preferences re girls and not the least bit "Biblical". What a load of cr*p! The world would be a better place for women if all of that bs thinking would disappear. JB & Meech were fools to fall for that nonsense. 

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Meow Mix

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I am once again impressed by the marketing campaign for this book.  And I have to admit I am shocked that Jinger would go so far as to say that you shouldn't have a million kids just because you can.  It's going to be hard for her parents to spin that as anything other than a criticism of their choices.  I wonder how her siblings like Joe, Jed!, and Joy are reacting to someone saying that having baby after baby is a bad idea.  I hope she and Jer stick to that and either stop with the two they have or have only one or two more.

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GeeGolly

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7 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

The banana curls seem to be a thing of the past. I wish the stupid wisdom booklets were too. That stuff was all Gothard's personal preferences re girls and not the least bit "Biblical". What a load of cr*p! The world would be a better place for women if all of that bs thinking would disappear. JB & Meech were fools to fall for that nonsense. 

Gothard may have added in some of his fetishes, but really he was just trying to set the clock back to when women didn't have any rights. Just like there is systemic racism and there's systemic misogyny. Unfortunately Gothard found a very succinct way to move an already existing agenda forward. 

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AstridM

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4 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Gothard may have added in some of his fetishes, but really he was just trying to set the clock back to when women didn't have any rights. Just like there is systemic racism and there's systemic misogyny. Unfortunately Gothard found a very succinct way to move an already existing agenda forward. 

When I think harder about it, it seems like the Duggar girls still living at home are still being forced to adhere to many IBLP standards but the boys/young men are not. 

Has Jinger even once asked her parents why they chose to follow an unmarried bachelor’s rules about marriage and child rearing? That’s something people want to know. 

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11 minutes ago, AstridM said:

When I think harder about it, it seems like the Duggar girls still living at home are still being forced to adhere to many IBLP standards but the boys/young men are not. 

Has Jinger even once asked her parents why they chose to follow an unmarried bachelor’s rules about marriage and child rearing? That’s something people want to know. 

Probably for the same reason some viewers thought the Duggars were quaint. It was being sold as an easier, simpler, safer way to follow one's faith and raise God fearing kids. 

And... some obstetricians are men, men design woman's clothing, not all pediatricians have kids, Priests aren't married or have kids...

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sagittarius sue

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2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

Gothard may have added in some of his fetishes, but really he was just trying to set the clock back to when women didn't have any rights. Just like there is systemic racism and there's systemic misogyny.

The trend for greater misogyny appears to be growing.  That's why I'm thrilled my state has just passed into law the provision that abortions are legal anytime during the pregnancy, and MN will not cooperate with states seeking to prosecute women who come here from other states.  It also eliminates previous requirements for a 24 hour wait period as well as getting the consent of both parents of a minor, etc.  Abortion was already legal in our state constitution, but this firms it up even more.

I think this change is due to the horror stories coming from other states where women suffering an incomplete miscarriage are denied a necessary D&C until it becomes an emergency, also women with non-viable ectopic pregnancies that are denied operations until it becomes a life-threatening situation.  I think these situations are worse than before Roe v. Wade because I doubt people then ever considered it a legally prosecutable abortion.  Also, it avoids the late pregnancy abortion controversy which is such a tiny percentage, and usually only happens to save the health of the mother, or remove a fetus that is no longer alive.

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