The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

[AstridM]

16 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I don’t think Jinger is free at all. She’s being used by her husband’s church to diss Gothard and promote their own brand of problematic religion. 

Agree. This brand may be even worse, imo. 

[realityfan26]

Am I the last person on this thread to make a connection between the FreeJinger website and the title of her book, "Becoming Free Indeed"?

[BetyBee]

7 hours ago, realityfan26 said:

Am I the last person on this thread to make a connection between the FreeJinger website and the title of her book, "Becoming Free Indeed"?

The title is probably the cleverest part of Jinger's book.

[floridamom]

If Jinger wouldn't mind her children going to college, she would have to enroll them in a real school first. I hope she's not thinking about a non-accredited fundy college.

[scriggle]

10 hours ago, Lady Edith said:

While she didn’t “break free” entirely, she was able to shift her focus enough to realize that she had been controlled her entire life

And she's still being controlled. She probably doesn't realize it but she is. She's traded control by her parents/gothard for control by her husband and his church.

[madpsych78]

We'll see what happens in the upcoming years. I respect her thoughts about keeping her kids from the public (especially with the whole Josh thing) even while she is in the public, because she also made a point to mention that they could choose to live a public life if they wished in the future. She talked a bit about her children - her daughters - having choices such as going to college or pursuing careers, which seems to conflict with MacArthur's teachings. While Jinger has stepped away from the IBLP, I think the next potential hurdle for her will be MacArthur and possibly Jeremy. 

Notice that Jeremy has been minimally involved aside from Jinger mentioning him and showing pictures with him and all that, and I really genuinely wonder what Jeremy really thinks about Jinger's book and these promotions. I would think that Jeremy the famewhore may be experiencing a bit of jealousy because he comes off as a bit of an afterthought. But I would also think that Jeremy the wannabe mega-preacher could see this as a good thing if Jinger is ultimately able to steer others towards "their" way of thinking (i.e., MacArthur's church). Jinger did talk about how others have different perspectives than her though...like I didn't feel like she was trying to "sell" me on anything.

[SnapHappy]

10 hours ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I don’t think Jinger is free at all. She’s being used by her husband’s church to diss Gothard and promote their own brand of problematic religion. 

"Being Used" is subjective.  She may love the chance to say exactly how she feels about the restrictions she was raised with, so it's a win/win. 

She certainly seems to be enjoying the hell out of things right now.

And for all the "control" people think Jeremy has over her every move, he's letting her shine without making it all about him. 

 

Edited January 19, 2023 by SnapHappy

[GeeGolly]

There are so many nuances to Jinger's situation, but I'm not sure it matters.

Whether or not Jinger thinks about college for herself (I doubt it), whether we see her kids in public school when they're old enough and whether or not this is a McDaddy PR stunt, she is putting out a book that suggests its okay to question one's faith. She's putting out a book suggesting its okay to question one's parents. She's putting out a book suggesting the secular world is okay.

While I understand Jinger still has hateful beliefs similar to her siblings and parents, "writing" (and reading aloud) this book is a good thing.

And one last thing - maybe Jinger has had moments of anger toward her parents in regard to being raised in fear and raised on TV. Keeping that anger and any conversations/arguments/disputes private is much more mature than posting vague and not so vague poison darts on SM, a la Amy and Derick.

Edited January 19, 2023 by GeeGolly

[CountryGirl]

2 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

She is putting out a book that suggests its okay to question one's faith. She's putting out a book suggesting its okay to question one's parents. She's putting out a book suggesting the secular world is okay.

Nodding along to all of this. I watched the People clip and when she used the word "damaging" several times, my jaw dropped and then, I smiled.

That she is questioning those teachings and now considers them "damaging" is huge for her, considering the environment in which she was raised. Even without her calling out Jim-Boob and Meech, which I didn't expect her to, not in that forum, they are the ones who shared those teachings with her and practically beat them into her head, so for me, she is, whether consciously or not, including them in the "damaging" part. But also, her talking about not sheltering herself or her daughters from other perspectives as she was (that is more of a direct hit on her parents as they physically, emotionally, spiritually sheltered her) and I loved when she said that God doesn't say to do that and that's "not who we are supposed to be as people." 👏

While I realize these seem like the tiniest of baby steps, for someone raised as she and her siblings were, these are huge and give me hope for her and her children especially. I obviously don't agree with all her beliefs, but that she is questioning things and encouraging others to question as well, which goes against everything she's ever been taught, is wonderful to see. 

[Salacious Kitty]

It's the beginning of critical thinking. I wonder how she felt when she first began to question her upbringing. She's said before that she is prone to anxiety, so it must have been scary before it was freeing.

[Absolom]

1 hour ago, madpsych78 said:

She talked a bit about her children - her daughters - having choices such as going to college or pursuing careers, which seems to conflict with MacArthur's teachings.

I don't know about MacArthur's published work.  I refuse to read it, but every woman we know who attends his church has a college degree and works outside the home.  The people who attend there that we know are normal people so this has had to be eye-opening to Jinger. 

[Churchhoney]

16 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

Probably her her lack of education.  She would have to start with remedial classes.  Also her confidence and sense of imagination, which was squashed by her parents.

In other words, the same thing that quickly clued Der into the fact that it'd be decades -- or never -- until his wife managed to complete the education required for the SBC to certify them as missionaries. 

But hey, Duggar parents and loyalists, your brand of education has nothing but GREAT consequences for those subjected to it. 

[Jeeves]

1 hour ago, Absolom said:

I don't know about MacArthur's published work.  I refuse to read it, but every woman we know who attends his church has a college degree and works outside the home.  The people who attend there that we know are normal people so this has had to be eye-opening to Jinger. 

That makes sense. I wonder if even a majority of MacArthur's church members really have read much of his writings or have delved into his theology beyond listening to his sermons. It doesn't surprise me that he's succeeded at filling the pews with folks from mainstream, educated, financially stable demographics. As you said, that kind of non-sequestered life would have been an eye-opener for Jinger. 

As @GeeGolly pointed out, her book is a real break with the IBLP cr*p she was indoctrinated with. While I think the book is backed by MacArthur's organization (and money) in hopes of attracting a younger demographic than the many oldies now in the pews, it's still a big step for her. I'm no fan of MacArthur, AND wish her well with the book and her life.

On a snarky note, I'm a bit amused to see this playing out in terms of Jeremee's association with MacDaddy's church and seminary. We've discussed for years the apparent special treatment, including financial breaks, that he's received. And now, the MacArthur organization is pushing a pretty high profile PR campaign - but via Jinger's book. After all, she has the name recognition and social media follower numbers that Jeremee can only dream about even now. 

[SnapHappy]

18 hours ago, Teriacky said:

The bracelet may be a copy. I’ve seen quite a few of really good Cartier copies. (It could also have been provided for the photo shoot.) Publicity is always full of smoke and mirrors. 

I think Jeremy would go without new kicks and street tacos for 5 years before he'd let Jinger wear a knock-off Cartier. 

His church, and consequently the congregation, has big money. They know from real, and I just can't see him setting up his baaaaabe to be side-eyed by the ladies that lunch for wearing fake.  That would reflect on HIM. 

 

Edited January 19, 2023 by SnapHappy

[AstridM]

“Candid” but also posed? Sure, Jeremy.

[Westiepeach]

30 minutes ago, SnapHappy said:

I think Jeremy would go without new kicks and street tacos for 5 years before he'd let Jinger wear a knock-off Cartier. 

His church, and consequently the congregation, has big money. They know from real, and I just can't see him setting up his baaaaabe to be side-eyed by the ladies that lunch for wearing fake.  That would reflect on HIM. 

 

I can't see Jeremy giving up ANYTHING for Jinger.

[zenme]

6 minutes ago, Westiepeach said:

I can't see Jeremy giving up ANYTHING for Jinger.

I don't think he cares if she or the girls wear knock-offs.  I think he cares if HE wears knock offs.

Edited January 19, 2023 by zenme

[CountryGirl]

 

[ginger90]

Jinger Duggar 🤦‍♀️

[ginger90]

Jinger’s most recent post on Instagram has some nasty comments.

Of course Amy’s while not nasty,  is in all caps, look at ME!

[AstridM]

59 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Jinger Duggar 🤦‍♀️

Right. 

[Salacious Kitty]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

Jinger Duggar 🤦‍♀️

At least the linked article used Vuolo. 

How emasculating for Jeremy. 😂

[SMama]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

Jinger Duggar 🤦‍♀️

The last name Duggar gets more clicks. It’s just a business decision.

[Zella]

7 hours ago, Jeeves said:

On a snarky note, I'm a bit amused to see this playing out in terms of Jeremee's association with MacDaddy's church and seminary. We've discussed for years the apparent special treatment, including financial breaks, that he's received. And now, the MacArthur organization is pushing a pretty high profile PR campaign - but via Jinger's book. After all, she has the name recognition and social media follower numbers that Jeremee can only dream about even now. 

JereMe better watch it. They're liable to replace him at his doughnut hour with Jinger. LOL (I know they won't, but the thought amuses me.)

[Salacious Kitty]

2 hours ago, Zella said:

JereMe better watch it. They're liable to replace him at his doughnut hour with Jinger. LOL (I know they won't, but the thought amuses me.)

I bet Johnny Mac recruits her for women's seminars. Once the book is published, she's going to be the most famous member of the GCC congregation. And Mac Daddy would be a fool not to take advantage of her fame. 

[auntieminem]

Jill has doubled down her support of Jinger. She put a short clip in her stories and Jinger put it in her stories. She was just saying how proud she was of Jinger and she knew it was a hard journey for J&J or some other duggar speak. Repeating she is proud and keep speaking the truth. Seems none of the other siblings are saying anything.  Looks like Jessa would say something since it was Ben who got Jinger thinking and questioning the IBLP. The comments on Jinger's page is pretty interesting with lots of negatives for her blaming her parents and talking about how worldly she is. JB must be exploding.

[Zella]

2 minutes ago, auntieminem said:

 Looks like Jessa would say something since it was Ben who got Jinger thinking and questioning the IBLP.

I wonder if that's a point of conflict between those two, meaning Jessa and Ben. 

Edited January 20, 2023 by Zella

[Salacious Kitty]

3 minutes ago, Zella said:

I wonder if that's a point of conflict between those two. 

Jessa hasn't shown any support online for Jinger after the People interview. The only family members I've seen post are Jill, Amy, and Deanna.

[GeeGolly]

I'm going to guess this is all brand new news to Jill, Amy and Deanna. Jessa and JB&M have likely been in on it from the beginning. Jill's post feels sincere, if not a bit confusing.

[Zella]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm going to guess this is all brand new news to Jill, Amy and Deanna. Jessa and JB&M have likely been in on it from the beginning. Jill's post feels sincere, if not a bit confusing.

I found Jill's garbled reference to Jeremy fascinating. I'm assuming she and Jinger don't talk much (if at all) if she's unsure on whether or not Jinger and Jeremy still support each other and just assumes that to be the case. (I'm not actually poking fun at or being critical of Jeremy for once, and I agree Jill's post is sincere. I just find it fascinating that Jill feels the need to ramble on so awkwardly about it.)

Edited January 20, 2023 by Zella

[GeeGolly]

3 hours ago, Zella said:

I found Jill's garbled reference to Jeremy fascinating. I'm assuming she and Jinger don't talk much (if at all) if she's unsure on whether or not Jinger and Jeremy still support each other and just assumes that to be the case. (I'm not actually poking fun at or being critical of Jeremy for once, and I agree Jill's post is sincere. I just find it fascinating that Jill feels the need to ramble on so awkwardly about it.)

I found that part odd as well. Maybe Jill is confused because Jeremy is not by Jinger's side in all the promos. I mean he's not even lurking in the background - that we can see anyway.

Jill also filmed herself saying how proud she is of Jinger in an IG story.

[auntieminem]

I don't think Jill was questioning Jer's support for Jinger. I think she is just including him and his role. In her story she said how proud she is in both of them and she knew it was hard for them. Jill comments support on many of her siblings IG posts even if though few of them reciprocate.  She certainly knows how it feels to be shunned by JB and some of the other family so even though she and Jinger were not the closest, she wants to support her.  What a messed up family.  

[Zella]

39 minutes ago, auntieminem said:

I don't think Jill was questioning Jer's support for Jinger.

I don't think she's questioning. I just think she and Jinger must not talk much if she has to equivocate like that, and the result is kind of awkward. 

[laurakaye]

15 hours ago, Zella said:

JereMe better watch it. They're liable to replace him at his doughnut hour with Jinger. LOL (I know they won't, but the thought amuses me.)

Deacons and Donuts Duggars

Has Jeremy gone kind of radio silent or am I just not paying attention?  Seems like if the little wifey is suddenly all over the news, he'd use this prime opportunity to flood the Insta with pictures of his expensive shoes, or shoving a cheeseburger into his face, or posing pensively in a suit with a fancy pocket square in a bid to finally get that influencer gig he feels he so deserves.

[BradandJanet]

40 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

Deacons and Donuts Duggars

Has Jeremy gone kind of radio silent or am I just not paying attention?  Seems like if the little wifey is suddenly all over the news, he'd use this prime opportunity to flood the Insta with pictures of his expensive shoes, or shoving a cheeseburger into his face, or posing pensively in a suit with a fancy pocket square in a bid to finally get that influencer gig he feels he so deserves.

Maybe MacArthur's ordered Jer to be quiet for a change. 

[Ohiopirate02]

16 minutes ago, BradandJanet said:

Maybe MacArthur's ordered Jer to be quiet for a change. 

It's pretty obvious that Thomas Nelson has loosened the purse strings a bit and there is an actual marketing budget for this book.  A book written by Jinger about Jinger.  The Vuolos would have been advised by their publisher and agent that Jeremy needs to take a backseat for the next few weeks while Jinger promotes her book lest he say or do anything to stop sales.  And while Jeremy is a douche, he is smart enough to realize the benefits of taking a couple of steps back.  All Jeremy needs to do is sit there quietly and think about all the sneakers he can buy when the book earns out and Jinger starts to get royalty checks.  

[Jeeves]

29 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

It's pretty obvious that Thomas Nelson has loosened the purse strings a bit and there is an actual marketing budget for this book.  A book written by Jinger about Jinger.  The Vuolos would have been advised by their publisher and agent that Jeremy needs to take a backseat for the next few weeks while Jinger promotes her book lest he say or do anything to stop sales.  And while Jeremy is a douche, he is smart enough to realize the benefits of taking a couple of steps back.  All Jeremy needs to do is sit there quietly and think about all the sneakers he can buy when the book earns out and Jinger starts to get royalty checks.  

I just now visited the Amazon page for the book. Yep. There's a nice layout of promo material, obviously from the publisher. The book will be released on January 31. In the meantime, it appears pre-orders have been placed at a healthy rate. Here's a screenshot from the book detail information:

[SMama]

17 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

I just now visited the Amazon page for the book. Yep. There's a nice layout of promo material, obviously from the publisher. The book will be released on January 31. In the meantime, it appears pre-orders have been placed at a healthy rate. Here's a screenshot from the book detail information:

JB must be going out of his mind knowing he no longer has a death grip on Jinger’s earnings and allot to the other 18 as he sees fit.

I hope Jinger, as the sole author, gets to use the money earned without having to ask Jeremy. It is their collective money but she should be able to use it for what she wants.

[Salacious Kitty]

1 hour ago, SMama said:

JB must be going out of his mind knowing he no longer has a death grip on Jinger’s earnings and allot to the other 18 as he sees fit.

I hope Jinger, as the sole author, gets to use the money earned without having to ask Jeremy. It is their collective money but she should be able to use it for what she wants.

Well, if that bracelet is real, she already spent about $5k. 

[AstridM]

10 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I found that part odd as well. Maybe Jill is confused because Jeremy is not by Jinger's side in all the promos. I mean he's not even lurking in the background - that we can see anyway.

Jill also filmed herself saying how proud she is of Jinger in an IG story.

Jill - you could’ve just called Jinger privately and told her how proud you were. No need to be so performative. 

2 hours ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

It's pretty obvious that Thomas Nelson has loosened the purse strings a bit and there is an actual marketing budget for this book.  A book written by Jinger about Jinger.  The Vuolos would have been advised by their publisher and agent that Jeremy needs to take a backseat for the next few weeks while Jinger promotes her book lest he say or do anything to stop sales.  And while Jeremy is a douche, he is smart enough to realize the benefits of taking a couple of steps back.  All Jeremy needs to do is sit there quietly and think about all the sneakers he can buy when the book earns out and Jinger starts to get royalty checks.  

“Written by” Jinger 🤣🤣🤣

1 hour ago, SMama said:

JB must be going out of his mind knowing he no longer has a death grip on Jinger’s earnings and allot to the other 18 as he sees fit.

I hope Jinger, as the sole author, gets to use the money earned without having to ask Jeremy. It is their collective money but she should be able to use it for what she wants.

She won’t. 🥲🥲🥲

[auntieminem]

1 hour ago, AstridM said:

Jill - you could’ve just called Jinger privately and told her how proud you were. No need to be so performative. 

She might have. Given all the negative comments from people defending her parents (so far she has only publicly said negative things about Gothard and IBLP) and I assume Jill is trying to publicly support her.  I would do the same for my sister. 

Edited January 20, 2023 by auntieminem

[Gemma Violet]

Here's a video of the People photoshoot.  You'll notice that Jeremy was not there.

 

[Salacious Kitty]

7am? Your clock says it's 10:15. 😃

[Gemma Violet]

26 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

7am? Your clock says it's 10:15. 😃

I noticed that, too. 😁

Of course it could be a broken clock, but probably not.  😊

[sixlets]

Jinger got a pretty nice magazine spread and publicity (to go along with her prop, Felicity). If anyone would like to read and/or see the People article, just let me know. My copy arrived Friday. I should be able to post it mid-late evening. 

[BetyBee]

Thanks for the video link, @Gemma Violet! I don't watch much video of Jinger and I was struck by how much her speaking style and cadence remind me of Joy. Jinger is a more polished version, but the similarities are there. 

[Meow Mix]

For someone who claims to not want to be famous or in the spotlight, she sure seemed to be into that photo shoot.  And I know I'm being mean, but it was so nice of God to make sure she had perfect weather for her photo shoot.  I'm sure all the people who have lost homes and loved ones in these storms are glad that Jinger had a nice day.

As for the Cartier bracelet, it is possible it was a loaner for the book cover photo.  I know she said the outfit was hers, but I am sure that they provided accessories that would complete the picture.  It looks like someone is putting a lot of money and effort in this promotion compared to the first two books.  Maybe McArthur agreed to pitch in some cash to make this one look more professional since the book is advertising for his church.

[sixlets]

It looks like I'm going to have to do multiple posts due to the size of the files.  A thousand apologies that the pics are a bit wonky.  I just like to do things differently 😉

[Lisa418722]

On 1/20/2023 at 2:54 PM, SMama said:

I hope Jinger, as the sole author, gets to use the money earned without having to ask Jeremy. It is their collective money but she should be able to use it for what she wants.

Whatever Jeremy wants, Jinger wants.  

[Meow Mix]

I'm really finding this marketing campaign interesting.  Someone in McArthur's camp has clearly been studying the internet and wants to make this book look like Jinger's idea instead of something Jeremy came up with.  There have been countless comments on Jeremy putting words in Jinger's mouth especially when they played a game of would you rather.  Someone wants to avoid that looking like the case here.  Also, I don't think Jeremy is capable of letting Jinger do most of the talking in interviews, so it's better just to not have him around at all.