S08.E12: Always the Bitch, Never the Bride

[Cherrio]

Boring episode, but I loved that Bethanny loves Home Goods which is one of my fav places to shop.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

1) Bethenny, you do have parents. Your father is deceased and your mother is alive and more than likely living in a 20 mile radius of you. Your step-father is also alive. Stop it. 

I bet she aunts and uncles and cousins that would be great to get to know and come to terms with her childhood. Aunties are good like that. Cousins too that lived thru the no seat belt era riding backwards in the cargo area of a station wagon that laugh about it and roll their eyes instead of exaggerating it into monster abuse stories. 

2) With as many lawyers as she has wouldn't Bethenny have Advance Directives well thought out ? Isn't the term living will antiquated ? Living will is a great term for Bethenny to cry about for us because of the word WILL denoting death but Advance Directives are handy little packets for proactive  future planning before you're  sick. 

If Bethenny had them in place back when Julie Plake was in charge of Bryn when there was a happy marriage and NO health crisis ..... Then she has them now in this bitter divorce era.

 The real anxiety for Bethenny might be remembering which intern of the week that schlepped B's Birkins, preg tests, and Adderall while B was "homeless".... is the person in charge of the current Advance Directives she has in writing. 

Edited June 23, 2016 by Alonzo Mosely FBI
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[eurekagirl mOo]

27 minutes ago, jinjer said:

 Bethenny is a drama queen. I think she knew she went overboard in the Berkshires and is using her medical problems to excuse it.  Only 2-3 tablespoons of blood is lost during a normal menstrual cycle, yet it seems like a lot of blood sometimes when the flow is heavy.  Losing 10% of her blood is like donating a pint of blood. If it is happening over several days, the body is replenishing it as it happens - but a rapid loss like giving blood gives the feeling of lightheadedness.  And even then, the body replenishes the plasma within 24 hours and the red blood within 6 weeks. I have a feeling Bethenny is probably anemic to begin with given her Skinny Girl methods of being naturally thin.  Bethenny wasn't lightheaded/faint or fumbling for words when she was screaming at Luann.  Those words were incisive.

I do feel for her pain from the fibroids. And the annoyance of bleeding. But she can take a seat for the way she treats other people.  She would have someone other than Dorinda holding her hand if she treated people in her life the right way.

I bled TO MY KNEES!! That was no teaspoon.

[Knuckles]

33 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

they're throwing this elaborate doggie wedding to raise awareness about puppy mills.

The doggie wedding was to give the wives something to do....and to suggest despite all evidence, that these are warm, caring women. Using living creatures and forcing them to play dress up is just wrong. There are events all over NYC to promote dog health and welfare, among them Cancer Walks, where owners and dogs walk a designated route with sponsors... the one I join each year always raises more than 100k. Staging this event which undermined a dog's natural dignity, and still raised only a measly 10k....epic fail.

So this is supposed to be entertainment...one harridan acting as if  fibroids were a terminal cancer diagnosis, a tedious princess demonstrating the boredom that is her life, and a newcomer with a imminent divorce from a husband whose fortune was built on a porn website. Other than Lu providing a master class in how to handle a domineering, screeching bitch, what is there to amuse or divert the audience?  Probably long since time to cut this show loose.

[abbottrabbit]

10 hours ago, Thumper said:

I thought the dog wedding was hysterical, and I'm not even a dog person.  Dorinda: "my dog is a country dog!" cracked me up.

Cat lady here, but the dog nuptials may be my favorite thing from this half of the season. I'm sick to fuck of all the yelling and drama. (also, I'm jealous, the way I get when I go to ballgames that turn out to be "Pups at the Park" nights. You can't do shit like that with cats, especially my neurotic, ex-feral mess, and it's fucking cute)

And I loved the idea that sweet li'l country dog Lucy was going to get her head turned by going to the big city society wedding. 

8 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

 

I like Jules product, and I'm going to try it. It's in Whole Foods (which won't see SkinnyGirl because of the preservatives, haha). It will probably be too expensive to buy very often, but hopefully it will give me some energy or least help me poop. TMI, I know. 

Wait, it's out?? It looked REALLY interesting. Dammit, I was just at WF last night. 

 

7 hours ago, breezy424 said:

 

Then we have the 'living will' situation.  Isn't it standard when you have an operation to be asked if you have a living will or a Medical Power of Attorney?  At least that has been my experience with family situations.  Yeah, I get that she doesn't have family, by choice, so maybe Beth needs to do some reflecting on her choices in life. 

 Not only that, but given her insistence that her only "family" is her minor child, not having a Medical PoA is just flat out negligent. You want your not-yet-ex-husband making decisions about your care, Bethenny? Then get your paperwork in order. 

6 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

A couple of things come to mind-didn't Bethenny say last year that her childbearing window had closed?  It seemed to be her reason for rejecting two of the options. She is 45 years old, soon to be 46 years old.  Her current lover is married and pushing 50 so I guess I am wondering all the drama of having a hysterectomy. 

This was baffling to me -- even if it weren't for the age thing (and yes, advances in medicine are wonderful and Halle Berry and Laura Linney are going around having babies well into middle age and so on), she doesn't necessarily strike me as someone who would want another child. 

(Not to mention that I'm about to begin my final descent toward forty myself, and while I can still maybe see myself having a baby now, the idea of having a teenager in my late fifties gives me hives. Even if Bethenny were the most maternal person on the face of the earth, would she really want to be turning sixty and having to teach this kid how to drive at the same time?)

[laffytaffy997]

When Ramona started eating the cake,  I seriously wanted it to end up being one of those fancy cakes they make specifically for dogs.

[Duke2801]

8 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

The most interesting thing I got out of this week's show was that Carole co owns her dog with some guy I have never seen before? What's up with that? Usually when two people who don't live together co own a dog it is because they used to be a couple and are sharing custody of the dog. What is the story with Carole I wonder?

 

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The guy she co-parents the dog with is Tripp, who lives in her building (or he use to, not sure if he still does). We met him during the first season. He is a close friend of Carole's. The way she explained it at the time was that they both fell in love with the dog when they found him. They decided to adopt him together. Unconventional to be sure, but she is nothing if not a bit unconventional. 

OK,  I was really confused by the Baby co-parenting thing too!  I assumed Adam was Baby's "father."

And isn't Tripp the guy who lives in LA whom she co-parents Margaret with?

So I did a little research and found this nugget on Bravo: Baby's "co-parent" is Megan King Edmond's brother!

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Carole may have dined with Yolanda Foster and Brandi Glanville from The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills during Season 6 of RHONY, but she's got an even stronger connection to the California girls of The Real Housewives of Orange County. She's raising her adorable pup Baby with model RJ King, who also just happens to be the brother of RHOC star Meghan Edmonds. And if you're not following Baby's wonderful adventures on Instagram, you need to fix that ASAP

As a fervent dog lover who can't imagine not having my dog with me ALL the time, this thing is very strange to me. But as long as the dog is loved and well-cared for, then hey, I guess it's all good.

Edited June 23, 2016 by Duke2801

[ghoulina]

28 minutes ago, abbottrabbit said:

This was baffling to me -- even if it weren't for the age thing (and yes, advances in medicine are wonderful and Halle Berry and Laura Linney are going around having babies well into middle age and so on), she doesn't necessarily strike me as someone who would want another child. 

I think for a lot of women, even if you are done having kids, the idea of taking away that option is still pretty hard to wrap your mind around. Obviously we are much more than a uterus, but I can see why it would be a big deal to lose yours. I am done having kids. DONE. But if I was told tomorrow that I had to lose my uterus, I think it would really floor me. Hell, I had to have a tooth removed in the spring (no insurance, and it was cheaper than a crown) and I got all upset about how THAT made me feel less of a person. I just can't judge someone for thinking that's a huge deal, even if it's almost certain they weren't going to have any more kids. 

[zoeysmom]

Vulture recap.  http://www.vulture.com/2016/06/real-housewives-of-new-york-city-recap-season-8-episode-12.html I agree with Ramona getting 1,000 negative stars in the vacation department and being compared to a kidney stone.

[Yours Truly]

8 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Why I can't get aboard with the Beth sympathy train.  Beth has declared more than once that she bled all over her car and all over her house - she bled on the rug and she bled all over her linens.  I have visions of a freaking crime scene with all this bleeding.  If you're bleeding this much then get yourself to the ER or at the very least to your doctor's office.  If you're bleeding this much why didn't you opt for something to correct this right away since according to you, you were bleeding out all over the place.  You instead chose to wait.  But then, you said you were bleeding for three days.  WTH is actually going on.

All I know if I were creating blood filled crime scenes I would resolve the situation immediately.  Which leads me to believe that the situation was not exactly what was the actual situation.  And after seeing Beth on WWHL and her seemingly embarrassment about the whole thing, there was some exaggeration going on.

Don't get me wrong.  Fibroids  can be a big deal as some posters have expressed but was it as a big of a deal in Beth's situation and her symptoms as she described it as serious as it actually was?  I have doubts.  Her waiting, despite her self descriptions of bleeding all over the place, just add to it.

Then we have the 'living will' situation.  Isn't it standard when you have an operation to be asked if you have a living will or a Medical Power of Attorney?  At least that has been my experience with family situations.  Yeah, I get that she doesn't have family, by choice, so maybe Beth needs to do some reflecting on her choices in life. 

Sounds like Beth took a page out of Yolanda's book when describing what she was going thru... Wonder if she will be crucified in the same manner.

Regardless, this is one big thing that bugs so much about Beth. She talks and behaves in such exaggerrations it's completely vomit inducing. Take a fucking valium and slow the fuck down. I don't understand how anyone can go through life as manic as that fucking women. SHEEESHH!

Edited June 23, 2016 by Yours Truly

[SweetieDarling]

1 hour ago, poeticlicensed said:

Staging that wedding must have cost well in excess of the 10:k they raised. 

I'm guessing the "bride's" Marchesa dress cost that much.  What do you do with something like that?  You can't donate it. Refashion it into a christening gown? 

[Trace]

Lordy you all. Instead of the "Vagina Monologues", it's the "Vagina Emergencies". "Paging Dr. Vagina......Dr. Vagina?  Line 2".

[Duke2801]

I can't quote everybody but let's just say I am nodding and agreeing with you all who were rolling your eyes at the dog wedding.  And again, I freaking LOVE dogs - and all animals. Well, most of them <side-eyeing you, spiders and piranhas>.

And, as it's been mentioned--it wasn't so much the wedding itself, but the over-the-top ridiculousness and the what had to be exorbitant expense of the whole thing.  Which - as was keenly pointed out - HAD to have cost much more than the $10k they raised.  But anywho. I guess money raised is money raised.

Gosh dangit Bethenny, I do not like you. You are mean, egotistical, and basically an asshole for the most part.  So STOP making me feel a modicum of sympathy for you, OK?  I've never dealt with endometriosis, but I can only imagine that it would be scary to be bleeding that severely, and then hear phrases like "living will." And yes, to somebody who has never had a hospital stay (like me), to hear that you have to be in the hospital for 3 days IS jarring and upsetting.  At least, I know I would feel that way.  

As for the hysterectomy/child-bearing thing, I mean... I can't hate on her for that either. I am sure if you had your kids young, it's hard to imagine starting over again in your 40s. But I DO have friends who are still having kids well into their 40s. One my besties just had her first last month at age 42.  Another woman I know got accidentally (seriously-not on purpose) pregnant at 46 and gave birth at 47. So it's become much more common nowadays, and not just with celebrities.

Bethenny did mention last season she'd like to have one more child. It was in her scene with Frederick when they were looking for places for her to live.  So it's not out of left field that she was upset by that.    

So, I shall continue to hate on the woman for a myriad of reasons, but her reaction to the endometriosis and the possible hysterectomy will not be two of them.

Edited June 23, 2016 by Duke2801

[shoegal]

8 hours ago, WireWrap said:

No, she met with Luann in the early evening and at best, with Carole the next day in the afternoon/evening followed by Dorinda the following day/morning, that is a 2.5 day span. I don't know any Dr. that wouldn't see her right away given that her Dr. already knew there was a problem, which is why they removed her IUD earlier in the first place. Also, there are a lot of Hospitals/ERs in NYC that she could have gone to if her bleeding/pain/weakness were as bad as she claimed. I still believe that Bethenny put filming before her own health which is stupid beyond belief, especially since she isn't dependent on her Bravo paycheck to pay her bills and I don't think the producers/Bravo/Andy/NBC Universal would have held it against her to take time off to get better.

The drinks with Carole were the same night as drinks with LuAnn, Bethenny is wearing the same outfit and references speaking with LuAnn just before she came.  Shopping with Dorinda was scheduled the next day, prior to the 2 pm appointment she had made the day before.  Less than 24 hours to get to the doctor to address the issue.  Did she put filming ahead of her own health?  Yeah, the scene with Dorinda probably, but I'm guessing it was already scheduled and she didn't want to let HomeGoods down, since they were being promoted and probably had to do some work on their end to allow filming, so she went to work when she didn't feel like it because she has obligations.

[zoeysmom]

2 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I did not notice the same outfit as they were different episodes so I will have to go back and re-watch/compare. Why go out at all if her bleeding/pain/cramps were that bad? Why then meet with Carole after Luann and why go shopping with Dorinda the next morning if she is that weak/in pain/cramping and bleeding that bad? Is she that desperate to be on camera that she is willing to risk her health?

ETA, I don't think Bethenny is lying/faking per say, exaggerating/playing it up for the cameras...Yes but not lying/faking that she is sick.

Watch Bethenny hunched over the shipping cart, barely able to move at Home Goods.  Then watch the speed at which she is able to hightail it out of Home Goods.  All I could think of-that s one way to get out of standing in line.  The producer got left behind to tend to Dorinda's packages.

[Boofish]

12 hours ago, sasha206 said:

Previews.  Not that surgery isn't serious, but give me a fucking break Bethenny.   You don't have cancer.  The tears are ridiculous.

My daughter at only 28 had the same issues and surgery as Bethenny. She cried for weeks and her recovery was long and painful. She didn't have cancer but she had every right to her fears, tears, questions, doubts and feelings and so like her or not, so does Bethenny.

Edited June 23, 2016 by Boofish

[ElDosEquis]

9 minutes ago, Trace said:

Lordy you all. Instead of the "Vagina Monologues", it's the "Vagina Emergencies". "Paging Dr. Vagina......Dr. Vagina?  Line 2".

True story.

We used to have codes called over the P.A. system. Code yellow was that we had no more beds in the facility, Code Orange was a disaster and then we went from Code Red (fire) to Dr Firestone, Until we got a REAL Dr Firestone in the facility.

The absolute best page was for Dr Beaver who was a ......ready?.............OB/GYN.

[poeticlicensed]

10 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

Watch Bethenny hunched over the shipping cart, barely able to move at Home Goods.  Then watch the speed at which she is able to hightail it out of Home Goods.  All I could think of-that s one way to get out of standing in line.  The producer got left behind to tend to Dorinda's packages.

I noticed that Homegoods was a sponsor. My guess is that Beth wouldn't shop at Homegoods and was only pushing the cart around as a backdrop for the scene. Once the filming was nearing the end, there was no reason to continue to shop, much less pay. 

[StevieRocks]

12 hours ago, laschifosavita said:

I am unexpectedly pro dog weddings after watching this episode.  It needs to be the new trend that show up on all the shows.

The amount they raised doesn't seem to be at all proportional to what they spent, but it did get the charity on television.  I would guess that it'll end up being worth it.

Amen. Anything that brings attention to the horrendous and shameful tragedy of angels living in puppy mills run by Satanic sub-human filth is always good to see. I agree with you totally about the amount raised. As much as these hags bark on Twitter, I wish they had organized something for Bravo fans to contribute to not only this but other charities that support animal rescue. <3

[Sheenieb]

9 hours ago, shoegal said:

Drinks with Carole were the same night as drinks with LuAnn, Bethenny is wearing the same outfit and references just speaking to LuAnn. Shopping with Dorinda was the next day, I'm assuming scheduled in advance and before her 2 pm doctors appointment, which was the emergency appointment she had made the day before (the day of drinks with LuAnn and Carole).

I stand corrected. Thanks for setting it straight.

[shoegal]

8 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Why I can't get aboard with the Beth sympathy train.  Beth has declared more than once that she bled all over her car and all over her house - she bled on the rug and she bled all over her linens.  I have visions of a freaking crime scene with all this bleeding.  If you're bleeding this much then get yourself to the ER or at the very least to your doctor's office.  If you're bleeding this much why didn't you opt for something to correct this right away since according to you, you were bleeding out all over the place.  You instead chose to wait.  But then, you said you were bleeding for three days.  WTH is actually going on.

All I know if I were creating blood filled crime scenes I would resolve the situation immediately.  Which leads me to believe that the situation was not exactly what was the actual situation.  And after seeing Beth on WWHL and her seemingly embarrassment about the whole thing, there was some exaggeration going on.

Don't get me wrong.  Fibroids  can be a big deal as some posters have expressed but was it as a big of a deal in Beth's situation and her symptoms as she described it as serious as it actually was?  I have doubts.  Her waiting, despite her self descriptions of bleeding all over the place, just add to it.

Then we have the 'living will' situation.  Isn't it standard when you have an operation to be asked if you have a living will or a Medical Power of Attorney?  At least that has been my experience with family situations.  Yeah, I get that she doesn't have family, by choice, so maybe Beth needs to do some reflecting on her choices in life. 

Bethenny did get herself to a doctor's office pretty quickly.  Here's the thing with the bleeding, women bleed from their uterus all the time.  It's not as if she was bleeding from somewhere that she wasn't used to bleeding from, like say vomiting blood or something unusual.  I used to have very heavy periods (before a wonderful OBGYN put me on the right bc) and regularly bled through clothes, onto furniture, and on at least one occasion, all down my leg and onto my shoes and the floor underneath me.  I didn't go to the emergency room.  You're used to bleeding from your period.  Bethenny stated she had just had her IUD removed, so yeah, she was expecting some bleeding.  It was a lot of bleeding, so she went to the doctor.  She got scary news and reacted. 

[NewDigs]

20 minutes ago, shoegal said:

The drinks with Carole were the same night as drinks with LuAnn, Bethenny is wearing the same outfit and references speaking with LuAnn just before she came.  Shopping with Dorinda was scheduled the next day, prior to the 2 pm appointment she had made the day before.  Less than 24 hours to get to the doctor to address the issue.  Did she put filming ahead of her own health?  Yeah, the scene with Dorinda probably, but I'm guessing it was already scheduled and she didn't want to let HomeGoods down, since they were being promoted and probably had to do some work on their end to allow filming, so she went to work when she didn't feel like it because she has obligations.

Bolding mine.

Or maybe she was hoping to nudge HomeGoods into carrying her product. Don't they sell a lot of closeouts and overstocks? 

She doesn't do much that's not self serving.

[Blondie]

This season revolves around Beth"a"ny.  She calls all the shots.  She screams at her castmates  She ices them out or accepts them.  She has a health scare.  Yadda Yadda Yadda.   All bow to Queen Betheny. 
Do I really want to watch next week?
Ramona is so embarrassing.  She has to make everything about her.  Standing on the chair at the doggie wedding.  Then cutting the cake?  She is hideous.   Complaining about having to return a swimsuit because she wouldn't get to go on the Mexico trip.  She just does not play well with others.
 

[HunterHunted]

11 minutes ago, poeticlicensed said:

I noticed that Homegoods was a sponsor. My guess is that Beth wouldn't shop at Homegoods and was only pushing the cart around as a backdrop for the scene. Once the filming was nearing the end, there was no reason to continue to shop, much less pay. 

Bethenny was crowing about how she used TJ Maxx to decorate her house in the Hamptons. TJ Maxx, Homegoods, and Marshalls are owned by the TJX Corporation. 

[Lizzing]

I've got a question about Sonja.  Beth, Dorinda, Carol, and Ramona are saying Sonja should not go on the (now cancelled) trip to Mexico because of her problems with alcohol.  Aside from her getting excessively sloppy early last season in AC, I don't recall her getting belligerently drunk or incoherently lost in the streets on the show, at least no more than anyone else on the show.  Bethenny said on WWHL that "there's a lot" that we, the viewers, don't see that happened between seasons.  Yet no one has given any kind of concrete example of something that happened.  B has straight up also said she hasn't hung around with Sonja, even in the off season, so what has her "worried" about Sonja and booze?  Ramona has also said she's dialed back her time around Sonja, and won't go out with her, so how does she know what's going on?  Is Sonja really in trouble with booze, or is it just a ploy to punish Sonja on the contract holdout?   Ramona getting kicked out of John's dry cleaning party made Page 6; have Sonja's alleged antics been reported anywhere?  To be clear, I'm not a Sonja defender, but based on what is on the show, the argument for excluding people from drinking occasions works far better if applied to Dorinda.  The HWs in general are lax with throwing around drug and alcohol accusations.  Ramona should remember when she was tagged a drunk a few seasons ago; hell, I caught a rerun of post Morocco trip where Lu was trying to label Alex as a problem drinker.

As for Bethenny's fibroid issue, I don't know about the rest of y'all, but part of my take that she's over reacting is based not only her history of exaggerated histrionics ("orphan" & "homeless" rants, for example), but also overall distrust for all RH health care stories after the various degrees of fakery allowed by production, especially in the OC.

Edited June 23, 2016 by Lizzing

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

55 minutes ago, Duke2801 said:

 

So I did a little research and found this nugget on Bravo: Baby's "co-parent" is Megan King Edmond's brother!

 

no WAY! God, I love you people! Good find. 

[ElDosEquis]

Had the ramonster cut the cake and used a plate and fork to eat it? I wouldn't have thought that it was bad.  But to cut it and proceed to smash it up on the table?

Methhenny was the "classic patient" - she knew all the HUGE words for the procedures, but didn't know about the hyst  until Dor told her about it? Talk about not paying attention? I understand NOT being able to make hide nor hair of what a doctor tells you, but ask them to explain exactly what they are saying to you.

I am not crumbing on endometriosis or girly problems - only BF. She is going to try to get knocked up again,  Andy's mouth is salivating -Bethenny Re-Weds, Bethenny Version 2.. he'd love to see her have her own program again.

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In the years before she died, my mom and I had some really great conversations. She loved the fact that she had a hyst and didn't have to worry about her menses any more and I was glad my days of shopping for kotex ended. She would send me into the store with a note, I'd hand the note to the clerk, the clerk would go to the back of the store and bring a box to the counter, put it into a paperbag and then finish the transaction...It wasn't anything dirty or nasty. I appreciated the fact that she didn't make a big deal out of it and was thoughtful enough NOT to send me into the store on a 'wild goose chase'?

[RedheadZombie]

2 hours ago, ryebread said:

You feel the upset that the former posters who had/have Lyme disease felt in the Yolanda threads.  Some left the boards because they felt some were being insensitive toward Yo and her Lyme.  We've all got our hot buttons.  For good reason.  Mine is infertility.  Check the OC boards.  If that's Megan's storyline all season, it will be interesting because many viewers (and some of the HWs) probably won't be sympathetic to how a woman who is infertile feels.  (Just relax, you'll get pregnant...)   

I can't give credit to Beth for continuing to do her job when she was bleeding worse than a stuck pig.  She's got the resources to have stayed home like Yo.  I don't recommend a white bathrobe, though.

If she was bleeding all over her sofas and car, why on earth would she chose to go sit on a banquette at a restaurant or walk around a Home Goods store?

I actually can't stand this no matter who is the target.  I really dislike Yolanda but the vitriol was so bad I stopped reading for a bit. I've never been back to Yolanda's thread.  I am one of the most cynical, sarcastic, and irreverent people out there, but it's beyond my ability to read the never ending negativity.  Aviva was extremely unlikable and easy to make fun of, but the insensitivity to a woman who lost her leg as a child was unbelievable.  The mocking of her story of the incident.  Criticizing a child who's leg was mangled for screaming, and of her father for urging her to continue to scream.  And then her return to the site of her trauma was all about Aviva faking the whole thing and tormenting the woman who was with her at the time. 

I'm at about my limit with references to Carole's teeth, and I finally figured out the ignore feature.  I really can't stand the frame by frame analysis and anecdotal stories of how others bravely endure something, which automatically means so and so is malingering, faking, milking a story line, what the fuck-ever.  God forbid I'm not suggesting things should be off limits and not climbing on my high horse. I simply hate a medical issue being parsed and microscoped - even hated with Brooks. 

And as for Meghan P.I., Ryebread, I haven't watched OC yet, but my understanding is the problem is with Jim's vasectomy.  Unless Meghan announces there are issues with her own reproductive system, her issue isn't truly infertility.  Need to go watch.   

Edited June 23, 2016 by RedheadZombie
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[charmed1]

...and Meg's brother, RJ King was on the first episode of Catfish. His photos were being used by a girl who was  catfishing another girl.

[shoegal]

30 minutes ago, NewDigs said:

Bolding mine.

Or maybe she was hoping to nudge HomeGoods into carrying her product. Don't they sell a lot of closeouts and overstocks? 

She doesn't do much that's not self serving.

Either one, I think they've been pretty good to her. I remember a scene in her spin off where she's shopping at HomeGoods. It seems there is a relationship there that probably benefits them both.

[RedheadZombie]

2 hours ago, jinjer said:

 Bethenny is a drama queen. I think she knew she went overboard in the Berkshires and is using her medical problems to excuse it.  Only 2-3 tablespoons of blood is lost during a normal menstrual cycle, yet it seems like a lot of blood sometimes when the flow is heavy.  Losing 10% of her blood is like donating a pint of blood. If it is happening over several days, the body is replenishing it as it happens - but a rapid loss like giving blood gives the feeling of lightheadedness.  And even then, the body replenishes the plasma within 24 hours and the red blood within 6 weeks. I have a feeling Bethenny is probably anemic to begin with given her Skinny Girl methods of being naturally thin.  Bethenny wasn't lightheaded/faint or fumbling for words when she was screaming at Luann.  Those words were incisive.

I do feel for her pain from the fibroids. And the annoyance of bleeding. But she can take a seat for the way she treats other people.  She would have someone other than Dorinda holding her hand if she treated people in her life the right way.

If Bethenny has endometriosis, which I believe she's stated she does, it's very unlikely she had those quaint periods measured in tablespoons. It's more likely she had heavy, long periods, consisting of clots.  This history would indicate she's familiar with heavy bleeding, and not panicking over a few blood droplets.  

Spoken as a fellow endometriosis sufferer. 

ETA:  This doesn't excuse her treatment of people, which is unrelated to what I'm commenting on. 

Edited June 23, 2016 by RedheadZombie

[NewDigs]

Hopefully it will benefit HomeGoods.

But I wouldn't want manic Bethy representing my business. 

[Duke2801]

18 minutes ago, charmed1 said:

...and Meg's brother, RJ King was on the first episode of Catfish. His photos were being used by a girl who was  catfishing another girl.

O rlly?  Dang, the boy gets around on the reality tv show circuit.  Runs in the family!

[Almost 3000]

2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

hematomato

Hee...

[njbchlover]

1 hour ago, laffytaffy997 said:

When Ramona started eating the cake,  I seriously wanted it to end up being one of those fancy cakes they make specifically for dogs.

That's what I was wondering, too!!  

Actually, I was waiting for Heather from RHOC to come out from behind the backdrop and yell at her (but, maybe she wouldn't - after all, Ramona didn't ruin any cake bow!!)    ;-)

[ElDosEquis]

Sonja's vagina is tight

Beffy's is bloodied

Luann's is 'wet'

Jules' is brusied and battered.

Ramona's is vacant and

Carol doesn't own one?

[QQQQ]

IMO, it doesn't make sense to argue whether Beth is being overly dramatic re: her medical issues as this is not a one-size-fits-all situation. No two woman are going to have the exact same physical symptoms, medical histories, childbearing goals, pain tolerance levels, job demands, medical teams, insurance resources, personal support systems, or mental frames of reference. If I write that I experienced 2x the uterine blood loss as B but still managed to climb Mt. Everest with an orphan on each shoulder*, that doesn't change a single thing about B's situation. 

 

* A total lie. It was one orphan.

[Almost 3000]

56 minutes ago, NewDigs said:

Bolding mine.

Or maybe she was hoping to nudge HomeGoods into carrying her product. Don't they sell a lot of closeouts and overstocks? 

She doesn't do much that's not self serving.

They already do.

[SCS]

10 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

So all the dogs were a backdoor ad for the Secret Life of Pets and the Homegoods excursion was also a paid promotion, right?  Because both had special ads during the commercial breaks.

Editing my post away -- I missed that HunterHunted said the same thing as me about 45 minutes before I posted. Forgive me--I was blinded briefly by Beth's bloodbath . :-0 

Edited June 23, 2016 by steelcitysister
oops

[Lizzing]

Jeez, people, doncha know that Bethenny totally copied Luann on this whole TJMaxx thing? 

(Sarcasm, if it doesn't translate....she did a Countess Report segment there prior to RHONY.)

[ZaldamoWilder]

raiderred, thanks for sharing that information.  I hope you feel better now that the mystery is solved  ;)

I love that Dorinda took her coat off to get into the shopping real good.  Lol.   Also loved that she insisted she was going with Beth.  She's a nice lady when not having cake rageouts. 

Agree with Ramona, the dog wedding was *too-too*.  If anybody tweets could you please send her this message for me:  Bitch we've talked about this, keep your damn hands off an uncut cake.   Ruined the top layer and all that.  Disrespectful heffa.

You know what?  Dammit, Jules made me love her.  I didn't wanna do it, I didn't wanna do it.   A windowsill cooch injury doesn't sound like a lot of fun but I giggled when she told the story.  Hematomato!  Lol!!  Girl's a hoot. I wonder if her sense of humor is Jewish or Asian.

In my spirit I think I'm supposed to feel some kind of way about a chick who loves animals but wears fur, but since I thought it also looked fabulous on, I'm not sure how legit mad I need to get at Sonja.  Rouge is gorgeous.  It might be okay to put him down on the floor girl, that's what paws are for. 

11 hours ago, breezy424 said:

She also talked about running into Martha Stewart at events and basically being shunned by her.  The last time she saw her they were elbow to elbow and she didn't say anything because she feels Martha and her are on the same level.  Sorry Beth, you're not 'Martha Stewart'.

If it were posed to her I think she'd concede that never having done a two year stint for lying to federal investigators is one difference she can appreciate. 

4 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

They didn't do a great job with the editing of giving us a timeframe, but clearly she met with Lu and Carole on the same evening. I just watched and she is wearing the exact same thing during both meetings. Same dress (or top), and even the same necklace. Looks like she was telling the truth. She had a doctor appointment scheduled for the next day. 

No snark, I'm genuinely curious - have ya'll ever gotten an appointment with your doctor within 48 hours of thinking to yourself, this is a problem.  I lost the post where it was said but the girl had an IUD removed, expected some blood loss, got much more than she anticipated and saw her doctor 2 days later.  Is the thing that lends it no credibility that she was able to get out of bed and meet Dorinda on the morning of her appointment? 

3 hours ago, eurekagirl mOo said:

WOW. I know ya'll don't like Bethanny but seriously, you have to tear her apart because she has a female problem and she's scared? REALLY? 

I had a complete hysterectomy when I was 29 years old I bled everywhere and all the dam time but I couldn't stay home and cry about it. I still had to go to the grocery, run errands, take care of the the kids. I had great insurance and I still had to get 2 drs. to say ok before I could get the surgery. It took weeks! When I finally had my surgery it hurt like HELL for a month afterward. And, no, I couldn't have kids after that. Luckily I already had my son (adopted) because I sure couldn't carry with my female problems. Now all this was 30 years ago but she's still a woman and she's still scared. I had not endometriosis. Not to sound like Yolanda but the Doctor who did the surgery said it was the worst he had seen. And I STILL had to function before the surgery.I 

I give her credit for still doing her job and not pulling a Yolanda and staying home. If even one woman gets help because of this it's a good thing.

The answer seems to be, really.    Thanks for sharing your story too.  All of you, like, if you were able to handle it by shrugging it off, that's great but how does that mean anyone else should?  The descriptions sound fairly serious to me.

The thing about how she's reacting (or for some of you overreacting) is she didn't know they were fibroids before seeing the doctor.  Knowing the diagnosis puts in perspective, I imagine, but in the hours leading up to finding out all she knows is she's bleeding a lot more than is normal for her. 

I watched Luann's special.  I loved how simply she told her story.  She has led a fascinating life.  I genuinely felt something for her when she was describing the beginning of the end with the count.  Maintaining your lifestyle and where you do that might be one of those things that would organically come up on a second or third date though.

[abbottrabbit]

When we're talking paid promotions  -- let's not forget Priv, which will apparently come to your house and do beauty things to you so you can live just like a Real Housewife!*

 

* Side effects of Priv may include divorce, foreclosure, ghost writers, Lyme disease, Munchausen syndrome, Munchausen by proxy, and possible federal jail time. Do not consume alcohol while using Priv (unless it is Skinnygirl, Tipsy Girl, Ramona Pinot, or Fabellini). While using Priv, you may experience hair loss -- see your hairdresser about extensions. If you bleed from your coochie-coo for more than 24 hours while using Priv, seek immediate medical attention. Vanity product lines not included; auto-tuned dance tracks also sold separately. 

[islandgal140]

The product placement this episode was, as Sonja would say, ridix! I know Bravo wants to double down and make that paper but they are doing too much.  I don't even blink my eye at the HomeGood stuff or when they feature hotel, restaurants but Jeez, the terribly acted commercials. Ugh! The most blatant was that segment with Jules and that on call, at home makeup service. Unfortunately, I watched it live and had to watch commercials. They actually had a commercial for PRIV with an incentive to get 10% off when promo code Bravo (LOL!) and in the segment just after the commercial, they have Jules using the service. Come the hell on!

Back to scheduled programming!

What an odd little episode. 

The dog wedding? You know I remember when Oprah first announced building an all girl's school in South Africa. There was so much talk of what else she could be doing with the money - donating it to this or that, create jobs,  or building a corresponding boy's school. I can't remember who said it but it was essentially 'one shouldn't direct or dictate goodness.' It stuck with me. I am not agree with the method and of course I hope a significant portion of the $10k raised (is that all?) went to help dogs, but people came together towards making the world a little better for a worthy cause so I can't see the bad. Hopefully, that Marchesa dress was donated, as was the hall, food, alcohol and cake.

On to the snark:

- is this all Carole has for us this season - dog wedding's, Luann bitching and struggle chef?

- I realized while watching Sonja and Ramona together again that I prefer the Lu/Sonja combo better.  When Sonja and Ramona are together they are just way too juvenile

- Glad the trip was called. First of all Mexico? That is Vicki G's go to vacay locale.  How pedestrian. Secondly, the invited, not invited, disinvited stuff was just ugly, ridiculous and outright hateful. What kind trip would it be with Carole the drip, Beth the raging bitch, hoodrat Dorinda and crazy eyed Ramona?

- Who takes, keeps and shows a picture of their contused nether regions on their phone? Sonja zooming in was just too damn much!

- I don't understand hiring a nanny you can't communicate with. Isn't it a concern that if you aren't around that the nanny wouldn't be able to communicate with others to get the help the children may need in case of emergency?

- I don't care if it is a dog wedding, it is rude as hell to take a slice of the cake before it has been cut. The organizer mentioned that Vanity Fair and other media outlets were covering it. I wouldn't doubt that like most weddings, the cake cutting was meant to be part of the event. 

- It is one thing to lament the trip not happening. It is another to whip out your Mexico lookbook pics of you in a new internet ordered one piece and show the crowd after you realize the trip was called on the count of illness. 

- I'm not gonna hassle B on her medical issues except to wonder how one can lose 10% of their blood and be a walking, gushing crime scene and function at the level she did? I've been lucky as hell not to have any gyno concerns outside of mild PMS and cramps easily dealt with some over the counter meds. Still doesn't excuse her slut shaming Lu though. 

Edited June 23, 2016 by islandgal140

[ElDosEquis]

3 minutes ago, abbottrabbit said:

When we're talking paid promotions  -- let's not forget Priv, which will apparently come to your house and do beauty things to you so you can live just like a Real Housewife!*

 

* Side effects of Priv may include divorce, foreclosure, ghost writers, Lyme disease, Munchausen syndrome, Munchausen by proxy, and possible federal jail time. Do not consume alcohol while using Priv (unless it is Skinnygirl, Tipsy Girl, Ramona Pinot, or Fabellini). While using Priv, you may experience hair loss -- see your hairdresser about extensions. If you bleed from your coochie-coo for more than 24 hours while using Priv, seek immediate medical attention. Vanity product lines not included; auto-tuned dance tracks also sold separately. 

What about the "erection that lasts more than 4 hours"? and will the price stay the same if I sign up for auto-delivery?

[ryebread]

59 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

And as for Meghan P.I., Ryebread, I haven't watched OC yet, but my understanding is the problem is with Jim's vasectomy.  Unless Meghan announces there are issues with her own reproductive system, her issue isn't truly infertility.  Need to go watch.   

Yeah, that's what she's claiming.  And meanwhile, having a hysteroscopy on TV and acting like she's being eviscerated on the table.

Looks like gyn procedures are the new bikini wax.

[HumblePi]

I watch the housewives of Beverly Hills, Orange County and New Jersey in addition to the New York housewives. The dog wedding, the torn vagina, the bleeding of 10% of blood supply.....all of it was so cringe-worthy that every time I heard my husband's footsteps approaching as I watched, I quickly changed the channel to CNN News. He thinks I'm nuts for watching any of these housewives franchises and I usually 'poo poo' his criticism of them. But this time, he was right and I had to hide the fact that I was watching.

Between the dog wedding, the snarly remarks back and between Jules and Michael, the 'laceration' of the labia, and Bethenny's bleeding out 10% of her blood supply, it was all depressing and so weird. This episode reminded me that wealthy people in NY and LA care more about their pets than their spouses or children and that there is no outside world where terrorism, wars and sickness exists because it just doesn't have any bearing on their shallow lives at all. Yes, I know....people would argue that this is a scripted 'reality' show where we're supposed to be able to leave the troubles of daily life behind and just indulge ourselves in some fantasy television and enjoy it.

The whole story Jules told about straddling a window or something and either lacerated or bruised her 'coochie'coo' sounds like total bullshit. All this drama between her and Michael gives my mind some darker and more sinister thoughts about that.

Then there's this article about Jules not being asked to return for the next season.

http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/jules-wainstein-may-be-booted-from-real-housewives-of-new-york-city-w210929

[ottergirl]

3 hours ago, charmed1 said:

I had fibroids and a subsequent myomectomy, so while I'm sympathetic to Bethenny's situation, I'd hardly call it a health crisis. Maybe I'm an emotionless robot, but I guess I don't get the histrionics. What the doctor told Bethenny is pretty much the standard. Hysterectomy, myomectomy or UFE. Take your pick.  And yes, they ask you if you have a living will because you're getting on an operating table. Anything can happen. All the adult women in my family have had fibroids and three of the Atlanta housewives have had them, notably Cynthia. When my mom had them, doctors were taking out uteruses left and right. Now, there's more of an effort to preserve the uterus especially if the patient has not given birth. 

Again, I'm definitely sympathetic to anyone suffering from fibroids. They are nasty little bitches that made life hell for me and so many people I know and love. I guess it's just surprising to see someone who prides themselves on being so tough and ball busting, act like they've been given 6 months to live over something so common. I probably would've been like Ramona too, flipping through all the outfits I bought.

I'm just going to say, the numbers of women IN THIS THREAD who have had fibroids and surgery shows you just how common it is. I had fibroids, I had all the awesome insane bleeding stuff, at one point my hemoglobin was 7.4, which my doctor pointed out was so low that if I had lost all that blood at once, I would not have been able to stand without fainting.  So I get Bethenny's symptoms and it is unsettling.  Also, it's different for everyone, and I'm not going to dictate how anyone else, including Bethenny, should respond. I ultimately had a myomectomy because at the time I was still hoping to get pregnant and it was the best pregnancy-preserving option. My doctor said if I didn't care about preserving fertility, getting rid of them was very simple (this is the mechanism Cynthia used - more of a laser approach). 

Where I sigh, a bit, is that Bethenny is acting like this is all SO dangerous and SO frightening.  Again, everyone is different, but in my case, I knew so many women who had dealt with the exact same issue (in a team with about 35 women, I was the fifth one to have the surgery in two years). I was never worried or upset or scared -- just frustrated and tired of the hassle. (It really is stressful when you have a big presentation to give, which is going to take two hours, but you can't trust yourself to get through it without ... you know.) 

So yeah, Bethenny in MY PERSONAL opinion is making a bigger production than it requires.  But then again, "making a bigger production than it requires" is a core part of the Housewife job description. So whatever.

Where I'm more irritated is her constant writing and rewriting of the Housewife Code of Conduct, of which she has made herself sole author arbiter (with Andy's approval).

In Bethenny's code of conduct, housewives are required to be "real" and "honest" about everything going on in their lives -- including off camera things, such as what everyone did over the summer, or what Luann does off camera, or what Sonja does off camera. However, her own personal love life and family is considered off limits.  (She doesn't put her love life on the show, she doesn't put her kid on the show, and she says this is her new policy: no personal life.  ON A SHOW THAT IS ABOUT HER PERSONAL LIFE. And when she drags the OTHER wives' personal lives into every single minute.)

And when Luann tried to point out her hypocrisy in the blog (dating married men), then she says "fine, open up my hood, I have nothing to hide," as if Luann has viciously exposed her, when all Luann did was point out that Bethenny was doing the exact thing she was accusing Luann of doing. So Bethenny is "real" when she's outing other people, but they're attacking her when they defend themselves.

Or when she says that everyone has to be real, and tell the truth, and not fake anything; and when her supposed personal Housewife brand is authenticity and "I don't fake things for the camera." Yet in one of her many interviews with PEOPLE this week she is quoted saying, she doesn't take Housewife conflicts "off the court" -- meaning that what she says on the show has no bearing on what happens in real life, or how she feels about women in real life. But isn't the entire point that she is being real?  These rules and contradictions make my head spin.

But hell.  Maybe we can chalk it all up to blood loss. 

[HumblePi]

51 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

If Bethenny has endometriosis, which I believe she's stated she does, it's very unlikely she had those quaint periods measured in tablespoons. It's more likely she had heavy, long periods, consisting of clots.  This history would indicate she's familiar with heavy bleeding, and not panicking over a few blood droplets.  

Spoken as a fellow endometriosis sufferer. 

ETA:  This doesn't excuse her treatment of people, which is unrelated to what I'm commenting on. 

I'm not trying to defend Bethenny (Lordie no!) but feel it's important to clarify the differences between endometriosis and fibroids.

Endometriosis is a condition where the type of tissue that lines the uterus also grows outside the uterus, usually on the ovaries, the fallopian tubes, the outer wall of the uterus, the intestines, or other organs in the abdomen. Since they are the same type of cells that usually line the uterus, they respond to estrogen and grow a little each month and sometimes slightly bleed.

Uterine fibroids are benign lumps of muscle and connective tissue that grow on the uterine wall. Fibroids can cause a feeling of moderate to severe pelvic pressure at any time. And the closer they are to the uterine lining, the heavier the menstrual flow. It may last longer than seven days. Fibroid tumors are concerning because they can become cancerous.

[Rainny]

4 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I did not notice the same outfit as they were different episodes so I will have to go back and re-watch/compare. Why go out at all if her bleeding/pain/cramps were that bad? Why then meet with Carole after Luann and why go shopping with Dorinda the next morning if she is that weak/in pain/cramping and bleeding that bad? Is she that desperate to be on camera that she is willing to risk her health?

ETA, I don't think Bethenny is lying/faking per say, exaggerating/playing it up for the cameras...Yes but not lying/faking that she is sick.

I couldn't do it. No way I could be bleeding so badly that I ruin rugs, bedding and all that and then get dressed up and go out. I would be worrying the entire time about my clothing, the car seats, the restaurant seats, floor, etc. Especially not if I felt as weak and tired as she said she did. There is just no reason to put yourself through all of that. 

I believe her, I just wouldn't do it, I would have been in the emergency room, or at home resting until my Dr. appointment.