Black Panther (2018)

[dkb]

This is a fantastic movie! Loved it so much.

The Erik scenes were hard to watch in the end. He was right in a way, but went about it the wrong way. 

Can't wait to see more of Black Panther stories in the future.

Agree with so many of your points above, so won't repeat, but, I gotta say the mid credits were gorgeous; the sand shaping into the different faces and objects! I usually enjoy all Marvel mid credit but these were especially pretty. Also the song "All The Stars" playing over the mid credits is amazing!

[Silver Raven]

1 hour ago, Enero said:

I was pleasantly surprised to see at the end that some of this was filmed in Georgia. Now I’m going to have to find out where and which scenes. 

Part of it was filmed at Pinewood Studios in Atlanta, and part of it in Sweet Auburn (the Oakland scenes, probably), as well as just, generally, "Atlanta", according to imdb.

[healthnut]

Really liked Okoye, she was my fave with Shuri a close second. Andy Serkis really did nothing for me but I thought everyone else was really strong. Loved Agent Ross and M’Baka. 

Does anyone know what was with the bumps (or whatever they were) on Killmonger’s body?

The moves did not feel like it was over two hours, buildup was good, pacing was great. For me nothing tops first Iron Man or first Avengers in the Marvel Universe but this one is a contender for #3. I get some people may not “get it” which is exactly how I felt when I saw Deadpool.

[thuganomics85]

Saw it last night and wanted some time to process it.  Overall, it was good, even great a lot of times, but not quite good as I was expecting and there will still be a few Marvel films I will rank above it. 

I was certainly impressed by its ambition and progressiveness, but I was kind of surprised that the overall story had a lot of common and cliched plots.  The new leader who suddenly finds himself assuming a responsibility that he isn't prepared for.  A love interest where it is obvious that they both care for one another, but can't be together for... reasons.  A mid-battle between the hero and the main baddie, where the hero gets his ass handed to him, but will obviously win the rematch.  A death that was clearly suppose to be important, even though I barely knew the character (where they banking on Zuri being played by Forest Whitaker being enough to make me care?)  The hero finding out that his dad wasn't the man he thought he was (what is with dad in the Marvel Universe being kind of dicks?)  And, of course, a sudden betrayal that really felt flimsy (W'Kabi came off like he was suppose to be T'Challa's best (childhood?) friend, but when T'Challa fails to capture Ulysses in his first attempt, W'Kabi goes straight into "You're dead to me, T'Challa!  Team Killmonger!")  I guess part of it is that I felt Ryan Coogler did an excellent job with Creed at taking a common story and making it feel fresh and exciting, but I felt like he didn't quite pull it off this go around.  I also could tell that he's still a bit inexperienced on the blockbuster front with some of the choppy fights and mediocre CGI work (although I guess that's more on the visual effect guys.)

That said, when the film worked, the film worked.  Despite the hit or miss CGI, Wakanda was gorgeous and really felt like a living, breathing city, filled with different types of people, culture, and beauty.  And while Marvel has generally been good with its cast no matter what, this might actually be the best acted film out of all of them.  For whatever weaknesses (for now) that he has, Coogler knows how to direct actors.

Great seeing Chadwick Boseman again and he's really nailed down T'Challa.  Strong, confident, brave, and truly wants to be a great king, but he still has a heart and loves his family, and even has a sense of humor at times.  Despite the film hitting a lot of common plot points, his performance really did make me love T'Challa, and still root for him.  It's crazy to think that only about five years ago, I was mainly seeing him in just guest spots on television.  Dude has what it takes to be a huge star, even when he decides to hang up the Black Panther outfit (hopefully that won't happen for a little while!)

Loved all of the strong women characters they have here.  Danai Gurira was awesome and Okoye is already a contender for once of the best badasses in the Marvel Universe (considering the way The Walking Dead has been lately, I'd almost be glad for Michonne to make an exit if that meant more Okoye.)  Lupita Nyong'o was awesome as well and did so much with the role.  And Letita Wright (who I remember from the second season of Humans) came close to stealing the show.  Shuri was both adorable and badass at the same time.  Ramonda was a bit underwritten though, but it's Angela Bassett, so whatever.

Ross wasn't bad, but I'm really not feeling Martin Freeman's American accent.  I wish he would reveal that he's actually an MI6 agent undercover in the CIA for some reason.  Andy Serkis was clearly having a ball (and we get to see his human form!)  Daniel Kaluuya really got wasted here, but hey, he's an Academy Award nominee now, so hopefully  he'll be done with these types of roles soon.  Winston Duke (who I still remember from Person of Interest) was awesome as M'Baku.  Hope we get more of him in future films.

That said, my MVP was easily Michael B. Jordan.  While Marvel has been upping their game lately in the villain department, Erik Killmonger truly might be one of the best villains in not just the Marvel Universe, but in all comic book films.  A guy who has understandable motivations and someone I can even sympathize with on some levels (his dad was Sterling K. Brown!  Damn you T'Chaka!), but a guy who still did (and was going to do) horrible things, and needed to be stopped.  Can't remember his exact words, but I think T'Challa saying something on the lines of "He's a monster, but one of our creation" was on point.  And then, of course, Jordan just delivered on all fronts.  I loved how Erik could have a swagger and charm in one moment, but suddenly turn into a rage monster the next.  Made him scary, unpredictable, but believable that he could develop followings and make allies.  Too bad he's dead, but I hope he gets bigger roles going forward.  And I won't complain if he and Cooger team up for the rest of their careers, because they clearly bring out the best in each other.

Whatever issues I might have, I still enjoyed it and I'm glad its killing it at the box office.  Wakanda forever, indeed!

Edited February 18, 2018 by thuganomics85

[Racj82]

5 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

Part of it was filmed at Pinewood Studios in Atlanta, and part of it in Sweet Auburn (the Oakland scenes, probably), as well as just, generally, "Atlanta", according to imdb.

Honestly, most productions do work in Georgia these days. Not even interesting to me any more. That Georgia peach logo is EVERYWHERE on credits.

[KatWay]

Well the movie didn't quite live up to its best film ever hype but no movie could. I liked it a lot though. The production, the cinematography, the costumes were all amazing. The actors also all did a really good job.

I really loved all the kick-ass women and how much they contributed to the story. Some of the dialogue felt a bit heavy-handed, as did the music sometimes, it almost overpowered the actors in terms of evoking emotions.

There were some things I wish had been expanded upon - what's everyday life like in Wakanda? We only saw one street and the throne room, which was a bit disappointing to me. Killmonger was a great villain, but I wondered how it would have played out if Eric had been raised in Wakanda after all (while visiting his native America & growing his resentment) and he and T'Challa had grown up as friends? Would have made them an even better villain/hero duo than Thor/Loki. He worked really well though.

Some scenes dragged a bit and the Okoye/W'Kabi love story felt tacked on, like I was really expecting there to be a bigger payoff when he just was like, okay betrayal it is! the second T'Challa didn't return with Klaue. Speaking of who, I completely forgot we already saw him in Age of Ultron. whoops.

Also the relationship between the mountain tribe and the kingdom would have been more interesting had it been fleshed out a bit more previously, they were hilarious but it might have had a bigger impact to have the come to T'Challa's aid at the end if they'd been more established.

[Dee]

‘Black Panther’ Rips Apart Box Office Records: 3-Day Opening Rises To $194M+; 4-Day At $223M+

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Disney/Marvel’s Black Panther is even more ferocious than ever imagined. Late night estimates (not from Disney) indicate that T’Challa is headed to $194M over three-days after a super Saturday night between $66.8M-$68M which is only 11% down from Friday on the high-end. Also if you back out $25.2M Thursday previews from Friday’s $76.4M, Saturday’s business is still technically +33%.  So that means business for Black Panther wasn’t front-loaded. Four-day figures remain a wild forecast for many analysts: They’re certain that Black Panther is expected to clear $220M, but he could fly as high as $230M. Projections at this minute are averaging around $223M. Over  three-days, Black Panther now beats Avengers: Age of  Ultron‘s 3-day number of $191.2M for the fifth best opening of all-time behind Avengers ($207.4M). On a four-day basis, it will also beat Ultron ($204.4M), but it might kick Avengers 4-day haul as well ($226.3M). It’s summer box office records during the second month of the year.

[Racj82]

I just wanted to share this with you guys. There is a part of the discussion towards the end involving Chadwick that nearly brought me to tears but also speaks to why this movie means so much to so many people.

 

Edited February 18, 2018 by Racj82

[dusang]

14 hours ago, calliope1975 said:

So much thought was put into the casino scene.

 

This.

Honestly, I enjoyed it but wasn't as blown away as I wanted to be - although how it could possibly have lived up to my hype I don't know. But I also really want to watch it again because I know they took such time and effort with the world on every level that I couldn't even absorb it all.

I did love a lot about it - including using a shoe as weapon as I've long felt that heels are an excellent weapon and I love turning what is clearly a strategic disadvantage into a strength.

One thing that does bother me is that the whole inciting incident of Civil War was that Wakanda was on an outreach mission in Uganda - so hadn't T'Chaka already made the decision to join the world? Or just in a limited capacity?

[Sandman]

On 2/16/2018 at 5:14 PM, Lantern7 said:

Anthony Serkis and Martin Freeman are the only major white actors in the film. They play Tolkien characters. Shut up, that's funny.

Hee! I just got that.

Loved it! It was riveting and heartfelt and funny in all the right ways. I was not disappointed at all -- Coogler has a much better hold on the balance between humour and the epic tone than Waititi, I thought. (I was terribly disappointed by Thor: Ragnarok.)

7 minutes ago, dusang said:

One thing that does bother me is that the whole inciting incident of Civil War was that Wakanda was on an outreach mission in Uganda - so hadn't T'Chaka already made the decision to join the world? Or just in a limited capacity?

Or maybe the King's death at the hands of terrorists made T'Challa and the Council change their minds?

Edited February 18, 2018 by Sandman

[Dee]

T'Challa's shy little lovesick "Hi..." when he first sees Nakia again was positively swoon-worthy.

[Sandman]

He froze.

[Morrigan2575]

This movie was perfect. I actually cried when Killmonger died. Fantastic story, amazing characters, beautiful cinamatography. Killmonger is probably the most realized villain in Marvel's history, next to Loki (who is now more anti-hero than villain).

[ChelseaNH]

If Judi Dench can get an Oscar nomination for Shakespeare in Love, maybe Sterling K. Brown can get a nomination for his work.  Killmonger's journey to his ancestral plane was arguably the most important scene in the movie -- remove it, and you have the same story, but it doesn't feel the same.

[Guest]

10 hours ago, thuganomics85 said:

The hero finding out that his dad wasn't the man he thought he was (what is with dad in the Marvel Universe being kind of dicks?)

I didn’t see it that way. I saw his dad as a good man, great leader, but had made one big mistake in the past.

This might be a dumb question, but how was T’Challa Black Panther while his dad was still alive? From what they said of the legend, shouldn’t the king have had the powers of Black Panther?

[Wynterwolf]

4 minutes ago, deaja said:

This might be a dumb question, but how was T’Challa Black Panther while his dad was still alive? From what they said of the legend, shouldn’t the king have had the powers of Black Panther?

The king and the Black Panther were not necessarily the same.  T'Challa said in Civil War that the mantle of Black Panther had been passed to him (but he didn't say from whom, it could have been from his father as his father had gotten older), and when his father died, he was the successor to become king (pending the challenge ritual we saw in this movie).  

[Morrigan2575]

How old is Shuri? Because I got Shuri/Bucky vibes from that post credit scene

[Wynterwolf]

Just now, Morrigan2575 said:

How old is Shuri? Because I got Shuri/Bucky vibes from that post credit scene

Shuri is 15... Bucky is like 100.   I loved their camaraderie, and the fact that she figured out how to rid him of the effects of the trigger words is huge, plus they'll have to work together to upgrade the arm.  I definitely see them trusting each other (which I think we also saw illustrated by the children teasing him in the beginning of that clip), but not anything else.  Shuri and Bucky are total friendship goals.

[Morrigan2575]

5 minutes ago, Wynterwolf said:

Shuri is 15... Bucky is like 100.   I loved their camaraderie, and the fact that she figured out how to rid him of the effects of the trigger words is huge, plus they'll have to work together to upgrade the arm.  I definitely see them trusting each other (which I think we also saw illustrated by the children teasing him in the beginning of that clip), but not anything else.  Shuri and Bucky are total friendship goals.

Oh she's 15? The actress was 25 so I figured a shelted early 20s. I don't count Bucky as being 100 since he's been frozen for most of it. However, 15 and anything other than another kid is yucky, so no.

ETA just checked the MCU wiki and she's 18, still too young but, that seems more in line with how she acted.

Edited February 18, 2018 by Morrigan2575

[caracas1914]

1 hour ago, Morrigan2575 said:

How old is Shuri? Because I got Shuri/Bucky vibes from that post credit scene

She looks 18 -20 tops to me and Bucky is what, 95 years old?  I dunno, that might be a little too much age gap for my taste, but I’m not judging....

[Morrigan2575]

5 minutes ago, caracas1914 said:

She looks 18 -20 tops to me and Bucky is what, 95 years old?  I dunno, that might be a little too much age gap for my taste, but I’m not judging....

I agree she's 18 and he's supposed to be in his mid 20s (25 in First Avenger - although Stan is older) and, while the age gap isn't huge it's the formative years that automatically turned me off (now that I know it).

However, I don't get this he's 100 thing at all. If he was awake/alive for those years, absolutely but, saying someone frozen at 25-26 and woken up 100 years later is supposed to be treated like a 126 year old person doesn't work for me at all (granted he was woken up for brief periods of time over the years). 

[calliope1975]

I've also seen 16 in some places for Shuri's age. Let's go with teenager. M'Baku was complaining that they had a child in charge of Wakanda's technology, but nothing confirming her age in movie. She is imminently shippable with several characters, but let's wait a few years, lol. 

What's the time passage from the beginning to end of movie. A week or so? And it began a week after the UN bombing? She healed Bucky quick. And got him some good shampoo and conditioner. 

[Enigma X]

I took M'Baku's comment only to mean she was young but not literally a child.  I think she is what we Westerners would consider an adult but maybe late teens early 20s.

Edited February 18, 2018 by Enigma X

[caracas1914]

1 hour ago, deaja said:

I didn’t see it that way. I saw his dad as a good man, great leader, but had made one big mistake in the past.

This might be a dumb question, but how was T’Challa Black Panther while his dad was still alive? From what they said of the legend, shouldn’t the king have had the powers of Black Panther?

My take was that above all else, T’chaka felt no responsibility for anything BUT Wakanda.  His nephew was not only a reminder of his actions but also part of the outside world.

It was an extension of the centuries long isolationist stance  of Wakanda and it’s forefathers, so T’Challas’s  ephiphany was that that core philosophy was fundamentally wrong, morally wrong.

On all levels he rejected the Wakanda ”way” at that moment;    It was a fleeting moment but the incredible “sand” narrative that showed the chronological development of Wakanda showed Africans in shackles being put on slave ships and the implication was that Wakanda kept their inward non intervention stance.

On the other hand, who could blame their ambivalence on how screwed up the outside world is and why get involved?  I got the impression Wakanda is not very large, the counter argument that getting involved in the outside world could also destroy them also has validity.      Now every Tom, Dick and Harry and Thanos will be after their vibranium.

[caracas1914]

Admittedly it was not a showy role like others, but I actually thought David Kaluya’s character was interesting, he seemed to be someone who respected power more than anything, so it was hardly surprising that his girlfriend and best friend were both bad asses.

 

Killmonger upset the cart by actually killing Klaue and showing himself to be (apparently) the biggest badass of all. 

 

So his taking Killmonger’s side showed his true colors, though it was sort of funny how he assessed the situation before surrendering , as in “fuck, I’m losing anyways.”

Edited February 18, 2018 by caracas1914

[Dee]

"Black Panther" Is An Unprecedented Box Office Sensation

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After Black Panther, Marvel Studios will release Avengers: Infinity War on May 4, Ant-Man and the Wasp on July 6, Captain Marvel on March 8, 2019, the untitled fourth Avengers film on May 3, 2019, and (with Sony Pictures) the untitled Spider-Man: Homecoming sequel on July 5, 2019. Two of those movies feature female heroes in the title, and each of them boasts wonderfully diverse casts. But none of them have people of color at their center.

That may change soon. Marvel Studios' chief Kevin Feige has remained tight-lipped about the company's plans beyond 2019. We know a third Guardians of the Galaxy is in the works, and Marvel's commissioned a script for a Black Widow movie with Johansson, but beyond that, there's just been mere speculation, including the tantalizing possibility of an all-female team-up film, and the plainly obvious inevitability of many sequels to Black Panther.

But what about a spinoff movie about Black Panther's phalanx of formidable female warriors, the Dora Milaje? Or a movie about Tessa Thompson's character Valkyrie from Thor: Ragnarok? Or movies based on Ms. Marvel (aka Kamala Khan, the company's first Muslim hero in an ongoing series), or Miss America (aka America Chavez, Marvel's first Latinx LGBT character)? If Marvel Studios can make a movie featuring a talking raccoon and monosyllabic tree-person into a worldwide blockbuster, certainly there could be room for these characters, too.

Beyond Marvel, Lucasfilm could give a serious look at a standalone Lando Calrissian movie with Donald Glover after Solo: A Star Wars Story opens May 25, and once Disney's merger with Twentieth Century Fox is complete, why not a solo movie about Storm? Warner Bros. has been awfully quiet about its solo movie for Cyborg (Ray Fisher) since announcing it in 2014.

Then there are all the possible movies featuring people of color that we never hear about, ones not based on established intellectual property, ones that live only in the notebooks and laptops and daydreams of filmmakers who never bothered to pitch them to the overwhelmingly white, straight, male studio executive ranks because they thought they'd just fall on deaf ears — or be shown the door. But now that the secret of Wakanda has been revealed to the world, each of those filmmakers should feel inspired to write and pitch and pitch again, the stories they thought could never get made. The iron is hot, hotter than it’s ever been. Now is the time to strike.

Edited February 18, 2018 by Dee

[Sandman]

3 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

This movie was perfect. I actually cried when Killmonger died. Fantastic story, amazing characters, beautiful cinamatography. Killmonger is probably the most realized villain in Marvel's history, next to Loki (who is now more anti-hero than villain).

I agree about Erik's being the most fully realized Marvel cinematic villain, but -- not for nothing, but Loki will never be an anti-hero; not after that "you were made to be ruled" scene in Stuttgart. That's just straight-up evil.

[Wynterwolf]

2 hours ago, Morrigan2575 said:

ETA just checked the MCU wiki and she's 18, still too young but, that seems more in line with how she acted.

Ah, thank you. Everything I had seen beforehand had her at 15. 

[AD35]

On 2/16/2018 at 1:25 AM, calliope1975 said:

but my heart belongs to Shuri. I'mma need her and Tony in a scene together stat just to watch her school him. 

I was thinking the same thing.  I would love it if they got a scene together comparing Stark Industry tech and Wakandan tech with Tony's coming up short on so many levels.

[Enigma X]

1 minute ago, AD35 said:

I was thinking the same thing.  I would love it if they got a scene together comparing Stark Industry tech and Wakandan tech with Tony's coming up short on so many levels.

Eh....I would rather see a more even exchange of ideas. Definitely, some scenes where Shuri and Wakandan technology are shown to be superior on some levels but also some acknowledgement that Tony has something to offer as a scientist and technology innovator in his own right.

[Sandman]

A little bit of one-upmanship/ competitiveness might be fun; I don't need Tony to be schooled altogether, but to see them geeking out together -- or to see Shuri and Peter Parker geek out together -- would be wonderful. I'm smiling already, just thinking of the possibilities. (You know what would be the best of all? For Shuri and Younger Howard Stark to meet somehow! That would fill me with glee. Hmm... I wonder what kind of inroads Wakandan science has made into time travel?)

[anna0852]

I want to see Shuri, Tony, Rocket and Peter collaborating together. God only knows what those 4 would produce!

[Sandman]

Bruce is pouting right now. And turning a little bit green, but only with envy.

[AimingforYoko]

Black Panther pop quiz, which is the best line reading by Letitia Wright?

1. "The real question is, What are THOSE?!?"
2. "Great, another broken white boy for me to fix."
3. "Don't sneak up on me, colonizer!"

[attica]

I like 3 for best written line, but 1 walking away for LW's delivery.

I'm trying to think of non-spoilery things to tell my friends who will but haven't yet seen the movie. I mean, I could squeal inarticulately, but that's not very grown up. So I'm thinking of this: Two words: Vibranium Rhinoceros. 

[Lugal]

Just saw it earlier and it was as awesome as I had hoped.  I really don't think it dragged much at all.  The only thing that came out of nowhere was Okoye and W'Kabi's love, so I wonder what kind of deleted scenes we might get on the Blu-Ray (I'm also hoping for more about the history/culture of Wakanda).  The design of this movie was incredible.  I would totally buy a book of the concept art.  And a really good job on the soundtrack/score.  When they were walking through the city of Wakanda at the beginning, it sounded like an Amadou and Mariam song, but I didn't catch their names in the credits.

Everyone was good in this movie, with Letitia Wright and Winston Duke stealing every scene they were in.  Seeing Angela Bassett with the white hair made me think of how kick-ass she would have been as Storm in X-men if she had accepted the part.  Anyone else want to give Danai Gurira and the Dora Milaje their own spinoff movie?  I have to give credit to Michael B. Jordan for really playing Erik as so human, especially that "bury me in the ocean" line.  I could not help but agree with him, until he was ready to turn the oppressed into the new oppressors.

And count me in for a scene in Infinity War with Tony Stark, Shuri and Rocket.

23 hours ago, attica said:

Two words: Vibranium Rhinoceros

That was so cool.

Edited February 19, 2018 by Lugal

[MisterGlass]

I'm in the good but not great camp.  There were some amazing moments, and some stumbles.

The women stole this movie to me.  Danai Gurira, Lupita Nyong'o, and Letitia Wright just nailed it.  They were all distinct, strong, vibrant characters.  The car chase scene with Gurira and Nyong'o acting like a chariot team was a great spectacle.  Wright as Wakanda's Q was charming, fun, and youthful without being obnoxious.  Angela Bassett was wonderfully regal, too.

The male actors were all good, but in some cases I think the story let them down.  Michael B Jordan's character starts out very well, and dragging the deceased Klaue to the border of Wakanda to gain admission was quite a statement.  However, once he started unveiling his master plan he became a shallower character.  He monologued.  The backstory was good but the take-over-the-world bit has been done.  I would have had more respect for the character if he had spent some time studying to lead, not just studying to kill.  He was too obviously a bad ruler.  It may be that they were going for irony with his story, but it didn't quite land for me.

That Wakanda would still have trial by combat is hard to reconcile with all their brilliant advancements and their egalitarian (aside from still having a hereditary king) society.  The movie's reliance on three different one-on-one fights to determine the future of a nation bothered me.

To end on a more positive note, the production design was superb.  All the costumes were beautiful, and the integration of technology into them was well executed.  And well done to whoever conceived and executed the queen's woven crowns.

[Morrigan2575]

1 hour ago, AimingforYoko said:

Black Panther pop quiz, which is the best line reading by Letitia Wright?

1. "The real question is, What are THOSE?!?"
2. "Great, another broken white boy for me to fix."
3. "Don't sneak up on me, colonizer!"

All of the above? She's my absolute favorite character. If you're forcing me to pick only one I'd go with "Great, another broken white boy for me to fix".

Getting into my character love, I cannot believe how much I loved M'Bako. When he was threatening Ross and went, I'm just kidding were vegetarian's...plus his laughter. He was a fun character. I knew he'd end up going to war for T'Challa even after turning him down but, I was still excited when they turned up.

I have to say that Michael B Jordan was wonderful in this role and, kind for stole the movie from Chadwick Boseman. 

I also have to add how much I loved Okoye, firstly Danai Gurira was stunning, just absolutely beautiful. Plus, she added humor and, heart to the role, which I didn't expect. I thought she'd just be the stoic warrior type.

I now want an all ladies movie with Shuri, Okoye and, Nakia kicking ass and taking names.

Edited February 19, 2018 by Morrigan2575

[Enigma X]

UO from me is that MBJ was ok but not outstanding to me. Which, in my mind, was still very good, because I consider many of the actors very good in this movie.

[MisterGlass]

39 minutes ago, Morrigan2575 said:

I now want an all ladies movie with Shuri, Okoye and, Nakia kicking ass and taking names.

If they ever actually make the Black Widow movie, one or more of them should be in it.  Nakia is a spy after all.

[Dee]

You want to know how AMAZING an actress Angela Bassett really is?

Watch her very closely during Nakia/T'Challa/Okoye's initial arrival.

She shifts from grieving widow to perceptive mother to indulgent referee within the blink of an eye.

It truly is remarkable.

[Matt K]

Well that was better than I had hoped for.  My wife cried at the end and I definitely teared up.  I really hoped they'd have brought Killmonger into the fold but damn his last line was poignant.  The film was not without flaws (I didn't care for W'Kabi going after T'Challa, it was one of the few scenes that didn't seem earned) but easily one of my favorite movies let alone Marvel movies. 

[benteen]

I got a vibe between Bucky and Shuri too.  Isn't Shuri supposed to be 16 in the movie?  I could be completely wrong of course.

[Spartan Girl]

Imagine the fit Stucky people will throw if Bucky and Shuri really do become a thing...

[Wynterwolf]

3 minutes ago, benteen said:

I got a vibe between Bucky and Shuri too.  Isn't Shuri supposed to be 16 in the movie?  I could be completely wrong of course.

tbh, I think Bucky would/will be shippable with anyone he interacts with.  Just so far, he hasn't had the opportunity to interact with many of the other characters.  

1 minute ago, Spartan Girl said:

Imagine the fit Stucky people will throw if Bucky and Shuri really do become a thing...

Ha, I have zero concerns about that.  

[SimoneS]

I can't get the movie or the song, "All the Stars" out of my head. I can't get over how fierce the women were throughout the movie. I would like Coogler to return for the next movie. I think he will do an even better job in his second Marvel superhero movie, especially since IMO Black Panther has the most overall talented cast than any other Marvel movie. 
@raven, I agree that the fight on the train was bad CGI. It was the weakest of the whole movie. It was difficult to even see fight at times. It was bad decision.

Killmonger's last line, "Bury me in the ocean with my ancestors who jumped from the ships because they knew death was better than bondage" reminds me of the tragic life of Margaret Garner, an enslaved woman of African descent, who killed her youngest daughter and attempted to kill herself and her other children when they were about to be captured rather than returning to slavery.

I hope in the next movie, we see how Wakanda deals with the corporations and governments that will be after its vibranium. I can see them attempting to destabilize and invade Wakanda so they can steal the vibranium and weaponize it. 

I would also like to see W'Kabi get a chance to redeem himself. Daniel Kaluuya is too talented to be dropped. If Loki can be redeemed so can W'Kabi.

Edited February 21, 2018 by SimoneS

[Morrigan2575]

7 hours ago, caracas1914 said:

Admittedly it was not a showy role like others, but I actually thought David Kaluya’s character was interesting, he seemed to be someone who respected power more than anything, so it was hardly surprising that his girlfriend and best friend were both bad asses.

 

Killmonger upset the cart by actually killing Klaue and showing himself to be (apparently) the biggest badass of all. 

 

So his taking Killmonger’s side showed his true colors, though it was sort of funny how he assessed the situation before surrendering , as in “fuck, I’m losing anyways.”

 

I took it a different way. W'Kabi's parents were killed by Klaue when he was a child. He has harbored hatred and a need for revenge for 30 years. T'Challa promised to kill or bring Klaue back for judgment (and death). When T'Challa failed to do either W'Kabi's bitterness grew, especially after T'Chaka failed to do anything for 30 years. So when Killmonger shows up with Klaue dead W'Kabi automatically respects him because Killmonger did what neither W'Kabi's best friend nor his previous King could.

I also think there's an unsaid bit to T'Chaka's failure to bring Klaue to justice. I think T'Chaka never really went after Klaue because it would either reveal the secret he kept buried about his brother's death and, the role his brother played in Klaue's theft. Or because the memories what happened in 1992 were too painful so he buried everything including his hunt for Klaue in the past.

Basically everything in the movie tied back to 1992.

Edited February 19, 2018 by Morrigan2575

[Sandman]

Hey, I just realized that Shuri's "Great! Another broken white boy for me to fix," is a reference to Bucky. (I'm usually not this slow. Er, I don't think.)

[msani19]

34 minutes ago, SimoneS said:

Killmonger's last line, "Bury me in the ocean with my ancestors who jumped from the ships because they knew death was better than bondage"

This line has stuck with me like no other line from a movie in a long time. I remember there was an audible response from the audience when he said it. It was a powerful statement. 

I'm still saying "Wakanda Forever" and giving my Wakanda salute. I went last night and went again today. It didn't need to be the best movie ever made in the history of movie making. None the less it was a fantastic movie and it was more than a movie to me and so many other people. I was almost in damn tears when I saw how MUCH it impacted the little boys and girls in the audience. The girls got to see women who were fierce as hell, smart, strong, and equal to the men. The boys got to see leaders who displayed strength and vulnerability. I was there for all of it. All of it. 

I'd love to see movies of just the women, they were that interesting. I'll be back for Black Panther 2, and I hate sequels!

[ChelseaNH]

7 hours ago, caracas1914 said:

My take was that above all else, T’chaka felt no responsibility for anything BUT Wakanda.

The Wakandans killed by the bomb at the beginning of CA:CW were engaging in outreach, so T'Chaka was at least exploring the possibilities of engaging with the rest of the world.  But certainly nothing like his son's commitment.