S03.E08: Whit's End

[Tara Ariano]

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Craig voices a theory about Whitney and Kathryn, but not everyone shares his opinion. Meanwhile, Craig seeks redemption in the wake of a ruined mountain trip and a strained group dynamic, and Kathryn breaks news to Thomas about the baby.

[bravofan27]

The nanny is awesome. She is like the perfect mediator. 

Cameron is big time excited about being in Patricia's circle. She can make a shit ton of money because Patricia only knows rich people. I get why Cameron wants to stay loyal, I think it's a business decision. That said, she's really been a bitch this season.

Craig was chewing tobacco in his scene with Naomi at the cabin. His left cheek was lopsided and he was sucking on something.

Craig was sure fast to let Kathryn know, all of a sudden after his discovery that Whitney is really burned, that she now shouldn't care. Okayyyyyy. 

Is Whitney's LA place rented for production? It looks like a house you see on porn. I don't think he really lives there. 

[Neurochick]

I am confused.  In season one I thought Kathryn didn't want anyone to know that she'd been with Whitney.  In fact I remember her saying that she thought he was gay and they talked about fashion.

Whitney is just creepy.

Bravo didn't bleep out all the swear words.  I clearly heard Whitney call Craig a "cocksucker."

And Kathryn is still batshit.  She has a fantasy about this life with Thomas, but it's not grounded in reality.

Edited May 24, 2016 by Neurochick

[biakbiak]

Whitney actually lives mostly in LA he is basically in Charleston for filming.

[mbaywife123]

Jeez, Whitless is so full of crap. He was so mad and stormed off then came back for an apology that he was not owed. He calls Kathryn a moron but she outsmarted Mr. Producer and has stayed on "his" show when he probably wanted her gone and Bravo overuled him.

The others being all mad about what Craig said wasn't about being hurt for Whitless but more about possibly making their producer mad at them. Cameron is the worst sucking up for her Drunkie-O, TV job.

He then runs home to tattle to Mommy that Craig was mean to him so that she can make rude remarks about Craig to try to salvage her baby boys ego and sway some viewers to their corner, PATHETIC!

The guitar/singing scene to his "girlfriend" scene was WTH?, was he trying to audition as an Elvis impersonator?

[ExplainItAgain]

Oh, look! Whitney at the guitar. Clearly he wasn't the "talent" behind Renob.

Geez, Dawn. Way to involve yourself in the Thomas/Kathryn drama. Aren't nannies supposed to be discreet?

[Chicklet]

I think Whitney overreacted and Shep was right. People who are telling the truth don't get all wound up like that. I don't remember much else. I think I fell asleep.

[Lola43]

I hate JD more with each passing episode.

[bosawks]

I think my favorite character on this show is TRav's white jeans.

[mbaywife123]

6 minutes ago, bosawks said:

I think my favorite character on this show is TRav's white jeans.

I think mine is Drunkie-o's butler.

[hoosier80]

Thomas was seriously thinking of going out to LA, saying oh the due date is still a week away (or her induction date).  Holy crap, what an asshat.  Kathryn was on bedrest, doctor ordered so they said.  Even if he thought she was playing up her difficult pregnancy, they just don't admit you to the hospital because you want to cause drama.  She'd already been in the hospital for high blood pressure I believe.  Even if it were a normal pregnancy, babies do not necessarily follow the schedule.  How many times do we see the baby arriving early before the parents can get to the hospital stories?  Heck, I arrived about 3 weeks early way back in the stone ages.  He wants to PLAY Daddy, he's not really down with being a day-to-day father, as it would interrupt his social life.  He still wants to drink, screw random women/girls, and be that 20 something forever.   

Whitney is just an ass.  He's either pissed off that Kathryn took away or is taking time away from his good buddy (either his drinking pal or maybe he does have the hots for Thomas - he has always pinged my gaydar, but whatever).  Thomas looks to be into chicks, so if you are gay or bi, Whitney, it was never going to happen.  Option B is that he was invested in Kathryn in some way.  I still think Patricia told him to pursue a woman from an old name family in the south.  Patricia may have the money, but she does not have the old South lineage.  Maybe that was it, or maybe he did or was developing feelings for Kathyrn, or maybe he wanted her to be his beard.  There is something more there.  That he reacted the way he did towards Craig does make me think that Craig hit a big old nerve.  Then Whitney acted like a little bitch, running away, taking his boot licker Cameran with him, then running back to mommy to then come up with witty one liners.  His one line about Craig having to apologize on all fours, something he was good at?  Just so gross.  Then he tells Craig in previews that he was much more amusing in his former persona.  Like Craig is just a little pet for his royal amusement.  If Craig didn't need the paycheck, I'd tell them to piss off - all of them.  

Naomi got all pissed too - I'm thinking she doesn't want kicked off the show.  

Oh and Whitney "singing" playing his original song.  What in the holy hell was that?  The poor woman posing as his girlfriend could barely stop laughing.  His house did look like a porn movie set.  There's no way he owns that unless Pat forked over some money.  

While Kathyrn has had her share of freak outs, hello she's very pregnant at this point, so I'm sure the whole situation she's in plus raging hormones do not help.  

[Bronzedog]

Craig is an ass.  If I was Naomi, I'd really want to know why the Whitney/Kathryn relationship matters so much to him.  It's really none of his business.  He's like a junior high school girl.

[SGfan]

So very little of Landon talking about anything at all was quite a treat!

[Neeners]

Whitney is gross. And his popped collar was ridiculous. ETA his wanting Craig on all fours...

The Nanny should get an extra check for mediation.

Shep ripping on people that donate anonymously?

Edited May 24, 2016 by Neeners

[mbaywife123]

2 minutes ago, SGfan said:

So very little of Landon talking about anything at all was quite a treat!

Like I really like liked this also. Like really.

[Suck It Trebek]

Dani just seems down to earth and above the fray. Stay gold, Ponyboy. Stay gold.

[Sai]

In the words of Bugs Bunny, what a bunch of maroons.  Thomas wanting to go to L.A.  right before Katherine's due date.  He's so freaking selfish!  And Whitney getting all pissy that Thomas decides not to go and blaming it all on Katherine.  Uh....yeah!  Of course Katherine didn't want him to go.  He's the Father, for cripes sake.  Whitney never should have invited Thomas knowing that his baby is due any day now and Thomas should have never accepted in the first place.  What a bunch of maroons!!  Idiots too!

[nexxie]

Kathryn might've had a fling with Whitney because he is a producer on the show, but found a better (and more dramatic) way to solidify her role. Whitney was played and tossed aside, and then couldn't get her off the show. Plus, she changed his precious Thomas. :(

[olivia1]

Were we to believe that Whit and his "girlfriend" were having adult funtimes for those 2 hours? Those kisses in the driveway were AWKward and he got totally redressed down to putting on his sneakers afterwards before that Elvis inspired "song."  

[Major Bigtime]

Larissa's laugh would drive me insane.

Whitney's house looks like something out of a futuristic Clockwork Orange. I can see him playing the lead role made famous by Malcolm McDowell. (Don't tell him I said that, it would go to his head. One of them.)

I'm getting tired of Thomas and Kathryn. I want him to find a new serious girlfriend, closer to his age, with tact and class. If such a companion exists for T-Rav. I want Kathryn to go back to Monck's Corner.

[TexasGal]

1 hour ago, bravofan27 said:

Craig was chewing tobacco in his scene with Naomi at the cabin. His left cheek was lopsided and he was sucking on something.

Is Whitney's LA place rented for production? It looks like a house you see on porn. I don't think he really lives there. 

Craig totally had chew in for a couple of scenes - with Naomie in the kitchen and outside with Cameran and Whitney after everyone else cleared out.  That was some fun editing because he'd have the bump in his cheek, and then not, then it was back etc. Chewing tobacco just grosses me out.

There is one LA house that gets rented for lots of tv shows, commercials and movies, that I thought was Whitney's house at first - but I think that house has a pool.  It's very similar with floor to ceiling glass and its up in the hills.

Edited May 24, 2016 by TexasGal

[SFoster21]

Wow, Kevin Spacey, from the Old Vic to playing a cat!. Hope the money was good.

Love that cool painted fence behind Craig and Shep!

[missy jo]

Cameran has *really* changed and not for the better. It started last season when she and Shep were  so awful to Craig.

Now we open this season, and Cameron has moved on up to socializing with Patricia (!), and cozying up to Whitney. She's gone from Greek Chorus to nasty and judgmental. 

[Bees52]

 Since he says he's a chef, I sure hope Whitney's cooking is better than his singing.

[ninjago]

Hahaha!  Craig totally nailed Whitney and everyone there knew it.

[HunterHunted]

39 minutes ago, mbaywife123 said:

Jeez, Whitless is so full of crap. He was so mad and stormed off then came back for an apology that he was not owed. He calls Kathryn a moron but she outsmarted Mr. Producer and has stayed on "his" show when he probably wanted her gone and Bravo overuled him.

The others being all mad about what Craig said wasn't about being hurt for Whitless but more about possibly making their producer mad at them. Cameron is the worst sucking up for her Drunkie-O, TV job.

He then runs home to tattle to Mommy that Craig was mean to him so that she can make rude remarks about Craig to try to salvage her baby boys ego and sway some viewers to their corner, PATHETIC!

The guitar/singing scene to his "girlfriend" scene was WTH?, was he trying to audition as an Elvis impersonator?

It's so clear that Cameran is thirsting for access to Drunkie-O's Rolodex of rich assholes who buy superfluous houses. Plus she's been on this reality fame ride before and knows that this shit doesn't last so it's better to plan for the lean years. But she doesn't need roll her eyes and have such epic stank face. There is a way to be above the fray and ignore to Thomas/Kathryn foolishness, while not coming off like a judgmental cow.

I don't know why these dipshits don't seem to understand that both Craig and Shep were given the roles as Kathryn proxies. It's not so much that they like her and it's more because they're least bothered by her. And if the rest of these morons like this Bravo cash they'd do well to be a little bit more tolerant of Kathryn because without her this show quickly turns into Miami Social, Most Eligible Dallas, and The New Atlanta. If you can't recall any of the details of those shows, that is my precise point.

If these idiots are sucking up to Whitless because he's a producer, they can keep hoovering because they ain't getting shit from. He ain't in charge of shit. Kathryn would be gone if he had any power. Craig wouldn't be coming out to L.A. if he had any power. It was so clear that the real producers told him in no uncertain terms that they wouldn't film if it was just Whit and Shep in L.A. 

Despite the producer credit, the real producers have no problems portraying him as a creepy loser. Whitney's real problem isn't that he caught feelings for Kathryn. It's that is that she embarrassed him twice: the first when she banged him for a week just to get an invitation to a party where Thomas would be and the second when she and Thomas hijacked the show he pitched and produces, relegating him to an almost friend of role. I'm sure mama's fancy boy thought that this would be his big break where he could make a name for himself and be southern, monied, and cool. But that no good trash from Monck's Corner came in there and stole his opportunity away.

Kathryn is childish and manipulative, but I don't think these guys realize just how childish and immature it makes them look when they scoff at her when she's making objective sense. For example her discomfort at Thomas being 3000 miles away the week before they induce on a difficult pregnancy.

[breezy424]

First things first:  What the heck was on Whit's lip when he returned to the group after he went and sulked when Craig confronted him.

I thought the episode was kind of boring.  Too much Whit.  As much as he tries to be a cool, interesting guy, he's boring.  Larissa isn't in love.  Either he's paying her or she just uses him for publicity.

Really TRav.  Shame on both you and Whit stating that Kathryn being pissed off about the trip to LA was about control.  You both looked like fools.  Get a clue.

Loved Craig confronting Whit.  Whit, you douth protest too much.  And you've pulled Kathryn's strings any chance you've gotten.  The girl chose someone else.  There's a reason why you're in your forties and still single.  It's not by choice.  You just aren't the guy you liked to think you are.

Very little Landon.  Yay!

And wow.  Cameron has become such a disappointment.  Guess we know what your agenda is now. 

[SFoster21]

I think, with no evidence, that the producer credit may mean another paycheck or a bonus for delivering or discovering a cast member, not an editing gig.

 

Everyone who participates in these shows is there for the viewers to ridicule or be appalled by; no one escapes.

Cameron has said she doesn't want to deal with the disruption of a pregnancy and a child.  I wish she could feel some empathy for someone who is experiencing the life changes that result from pregnancy and lean up off Katherine.  You know, it ain't easy.

Edited May 24, 2016 by SFoster21

[biakbiak]

8 minutes ago, SFoster21 said:

I think, with no evidence, that the producer credit may mean another paycheck or a bonus for delivering or discovering a cast member, not an editing gig.

 

Whitney created the show with Bryan Krestner, his buisness partner in the failed restaurant who has appeared on the show, thet cast it and sold it, which is why they both have an exec producer credit. There are several articles out there that talk about it.

Edited May 24, 2016 by biakbiak

[Thumper]

All that white furniture in Whitney's CA home.  And then he put his shoe on the white couch as he serenaded the gf!  Sorry, that caught my eye right away.  ;)

Agree on the Cameran disappointment.  I didn't catch the $$ connection with Whitney, but that makes sense.

Edited May 24, 2016 by Thumper

[mbaywife123]

Whitless reminds me of a three person combo: Eddie Munster, Bud Bundy and Mr. Burns.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Wow, how much time did Whit have to spend to get that LA place looking so immaculate & non-descript.  Let's see, just had to get rid of last nite's rentboy -- and then the whips & chains & plugs & various whatever.  Sigh, sounds like hard work for ole Whit.

Oh, those stains on the floor of that sorta creepy loft?  Ew.  I didn't believe his explanation for those icky stains for one second.  Where are the coffins Whitney sleeps in?  We didn't get to see those.  Guess there's an LA coffin & a Charleston coffin?

Poor Larissa.  Whitney better pay her extra for this act.  Yuck.  She had to look excited about hugging & being near him.  Shuddering.  Oh Whit, you have as much musical talent as Tom Sandoval.  Uh, that is -- NONE!

Anyone catch Horseteeth getting up?  Was it 5 or 6 when he got up?  Oh yeah, he was making eggs.  Doesn't matter to Horseteeth.  Guess he'll have his eggs at 5.  Mmm, kay.

Anyone see that cheap-ass bouquet of meh flowers Thom-ass got Kathryn?  It's bad enough he wears those awful white jeans that highlight his saggy ass, but he's cheap too?  Ugh.

Cam, sheesh, you were quite the butt-smootcher in this one.  Hmmm, could it be cuz Whit is a producer?  You ain't exactly difficult to read, hun.

Not much Snowflake in this one.  Hey, I'm not complaining.

[izabella]

2 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

Craig is an ass.  If I was Naomi, I'd really want to know why the Whitney/Kathryn relationship matters so much to him.  It's really none of his business.  He's like a junior high school girl.

If Craig devoted half as much energy and focus to his work as he has done to Kathryn/Whitney, he'd have passed the bar already or would at least know what bourbon is.

[ninjago]

25 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

I thought the episode was kind of boring.  Too much Whit.  As much as he tries to be a cool, interesting guy, he's boring. 

This show would be so so dull if Whitney was the central character.  He is not likable and he is painfully unfunny.  Evidently he wants to be a major part of the show, but he is so stilted and awkward, even when he is talking with Shep and TRav.

[ProudMary]

Thankfully, amid all the nastiness there was the adorableness that is Kensie speaking on the phone to her "DaDaDaDa."  That child is beautiful.  None of us truly know how much time she gets to spend with Thomas but her on-screen interactions with him this season have been just adorable.  

[HunterHunted]

Someone needs to give Dawn custody of the babies and Kensie and St. Julian too.

Once again, Thomas' relationship with Whitless either has or should change because Thomas is a father of two. Doing dipshit things with Whitless after a renob show should be far lower on Thomas' priorities because he has children to care for. How do none of them see that Thomas has to grow up? Why won't they listen to Dawn? She's making all of the sense. Maybe that explains why the rest of cast is sounding stupider and more unreasonable. Dawn has stolen all of the sense in Charleston. Just listen to Dawn. She's the one in the uniform/scrubs.

I wonder how Whitney is going to address him calling Kathryn a liar and the editors contradicting him at every turn. Larissa's Stella Adler classes are working. She no longer looks like someone who wants to vomit at the sight of him.

What exactly does Whitney do in L.A.? He doesn't seem to have any active projects. Why wouldn't he go to Georgia? There is a very active film and television scene there. And there is probably a lot less competition for dollars and crew in Georgia.

[Lizzing]

"I have been in love many times before, but they usually don't go for me." Oh, Whitney, you slay me. This truly made me laugh. 

Last week I was wondering why Kathryn needed another crib, but then I concluded that perhaps Kensie still needed hers.  But there's no way a person needs two changing tables.  What happened to Kensie's?

Cameran and her "there's nothing more to it than Whitney doesn't like Kathryn" spiel can just keep on walking.  I don't like plenty of people; hell, I've had to work with tons of assholes that I'd just as soon never see again and screwed me over career wise.  But I didn't pitch a fit about having to be in the same room as them.  I just did my job, behaved cordially, and didn't engage beyond necessary.  Whitney gets too riled up with mention of Kathryn for there not to be something else.  I still think he's pissed she hijacked his show, and possibly his bromance with TRav.

[breezy424]

9 minutes ago, Lizzing said:

"I have been in love many times before, but they usually don't go for me." Oh, Whitney, you slay me. This truly made me laugh. 

Last week I was wondering why Kathryn needed another crib, but then I concluded that perhaps Kensie still needed hers.  But there's no way a person needs two changing tables.  What happened to Kensie's?

Cameran and her "there's nothing more to it than Whitney doesn't like Kathryn" spiel can just keep on walking.  I don't like plenty of people; hell, I've had to work with tons of assholes that I'd just as soon never see again and screwed me over career wise.  But I didn't pitch a fit about having to be in the same room as them.  I just did my job, behaved cordially, and didn't engage beyond necessary.  Whitney gets too riled up with mention of Kathryn for there not to be something else.  I still think he's pissed she hijacked his show, and possibly his bromance with TRav.

Kensie was under two when Kathryn's son was born.  Two changing tables?  If they have their own rooms...yes, she needed another changing table.  Does she want to bring either of them to the others room if one was sleeping?  Nope.

I totally agree that Whit gets too riled up about Kathryn.  And IMO, there is something else there.  She dumped him for TRav.  I think that hurt him greatly. 

Like or not but TRav made it very clear at the end of the show that with the birth of his son, the Ravenel name would be carried on.  And no doubt to me that choosing Kathryn as the mother of his children had a lot to do with the 'stock' she comes from. 

[littleprince1977]

An answer to "When can they say cocksucker?"- Five years ago, US Supreme Court October 2011 ruling: on FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION ET AL. v. FOX TELEVISION STATIONS, INC., ET AL.  Now even "shit" can be said...15+ times per episode on "Suits".

Craig is this season's Ass (I agree with Bronzedog)-- He is the petulent youth that is clueless...saying things "Wrong Place, Wrong Time"--- If what he has to say is "SO important" (rather than for effect) he should have confronted Whitney in private.  That would have been the grownup thing to do.  Instead, Craig Conover, is the "Peter Pan" prepubescent child... unable to focus on his law exam...able to focus on mythical dreams "I'm going to be CEO of a bourbon empire". 

Edited May 24, 2016 by littleprince1977

[HunterHunted]

1 hour ago, ninjago said:

This show would be so so dull if Whitney was the central character.  He is not likable and he is painfully unfunny.  Evidently he wants to be a major part of the show, but he is so stilted and awkward, even when he is talking with Shep and TRav.

I just remembered that on last season's reunion, Andy called Kathryn and Thomas the Taylor and Burton of the cast. While I'm sure that meant nothing to most of the cast, it was probably was a huge blow to Whitney's ego. That was almost certainly the moment when he realized he had no chance of recapturing the narrative of the show and reframing it back towards his original intent. You can tell it's just curdling him, souring him from the inside out.

To contrast Shep cracks on Craig, but you can tell that he isn't all that invested anymore. Shep mainly sees this a fun way to get paid to party and meet girls. If that means he has to put with Craig or Kathryn, so what.

[AnnaMayWong]

I don't get it. I don't. Thomas is 30(❗) years older than Kathryn--T.H.I.R.T.Y.     So, why is all the vitriol and venom SOLELY directed at 24(?)year old Kathryn ❓❓❓❓      And, in addition, during those years of his HO'leymoleying, surely tHOmas must have learned about control and contraception. SO, why is all the vitriol and venom solely directed at Kathryn❓ Yeah, yes, oui, si,... Kathryn is manipulative...BUT tHOmas is as well.

What.  the.  f _ _ k ❗     Whitney and Larissa. Was that a comedy sketch ❓

Golly. Gee. The way that Cameran's face is firmly pressed against and avidly kissing stale ?$$, she could be a stand-in for a particular character on the t.v. series, PREACHER.

[Irritable]

Cameran is insufferable this season, and a lot dumber than I thought she was if she believed for one minute that everyone wouldn't see through her loyalty to Whitney and know that it's all about keeping her connection with Patricia.  Gross, Cameran.  Ew.

I would much rather watch an hour of Kathryn at home interacting with Kenzie than one minute of Whitney play-acting with his "girlfriend".

This show has a bad habit of always making me feel badly for Craig. 

[littleprince1977]

4 hours ago, Neurochick said:

I am confused.  In season one I thought Kathryn didn't want anyone to know that she'd been with Whitney.  In fact I remember her saying that she thought he was gay and they talked about fashion.

Whitney is just creepy.

Bravo didn't bleep out all the swear words.  I clearly heard Whitney call Craig a "cocksucker."

And Kathryn is still batshit.  She has a fantasy about this life with Thomas, but it's not grounded in reality.

An answer to "When can they say cocksucker?"- Five years ago, US Supreme Court October 2011 ruling: on FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION ET AL. v. FOX TELEVISION STATIONS, INC., ET AL.  Now even "shit" can be said...15+ times per episode on "Suits"

[scrb]

That was charming, Bravo apparently didn't think viewers could figure out the expletives if they bleeped them out so they didn't.

Charleston must not have a finishing school.

[Lizzing]

I forgot to say earlier that I really liked Danni finally saying what a lot of folks around here have been saying, that it's uncool that everyone gives Kathryn shit for acting up while giving TRav a pass for the same behavior.  It's a shame it didn't seem to resonate that much with most of the cast.

[bblancobrnx]

I am a little more in love with Dani after she called these buffoons out for not treating Katheryn and Thomas with the same set of rules. You tell 'em Dani!

[Major Bigtime]

I like Dani.  I just wish she didn't look like she smells something stinky all the time. 

[Suck It Trebek]

18 minutes ago, Major Bigtime said:

I like Dani.  I just wish she didn't look like she smells something stinky all the time. 

I can't blame her for having that look when she has to deal with these people .

[Neurochick]

11 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

Craig is an ass.  If I was Naomi, I'd really want to know why the Whitney/Kathryn relationship matters so much to him.  It's really none of his business.  He's like a junior high school girl.

The thing that bugged me about Craig talking about Whitney and Kathryn is that it made Kathryn look bad; I mean she liked one guy and slept with his best friend to get back at him?  If a man did that to two women, we'd all call him a dog; guys like that used to get booed on shows like Jerry Springer, back in the 90's.  I think Whitney should get down on his knees and thank God that he dodged that bullet.  

Kathryn needs to realize that even though Thomas has two children now, he only wants to PLAY the role of "daddy."  He doesn't want to actually BE a daddy.  That's why Thomas wanted to go to LA with Whitney and Shep.  You can't make anybody grow up.  If Thomas doesn't want to grow up, he's not going to grow up, no matter how many children Kathryn manages to push out.  Kathryn needs to understand that.  She wanted Thomas, she got him, now she has to deal with him.  

Edited May 24, 2016 by Neurochick

[njbchlover]

10 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

The nanny is awesome. She is like the perfect mediator. 

Cameron is big time excited about being in Patricia's circle. She can make a shit ton of money because Patricia only knows rich people. I get why Cameron wants to stay loyal, I think it's a business decision. That said, she's really been a bitch this season.

Craig was chewing tobacco in his scene with Naomi at the cabin. His left cheek was lopsided and he was sucking on something.

Craig was sure fast to let Kathryn know, all of a sudden after his discovery that Whitney is really burned, that she now shouldn't care. Okayyyyyy. 

Is Whitney's LA place rented for production? It looks like a house you see on porn. I don't think he really lives there. 

I don't know if it he rents or owns the LA place, but I do think that's where he may spend most of his time.  Patricia even commented on Whitney's current loft space, and said that he has had three lofts in as many years, so that means that he rents a loft in Charleston whenever they are filming.  And, apparently, the one he's in now must have been furnished.  When Patricia mentioned something about "not being too sure about this pillow", Whit's reply was "So what - it's rented".