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S03.E08: Whit's End


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Craig voices a theory about Whitney and Kathryn, but not everyone shares his opinion. Meanwhile, Craig seeks redemption in the wake of a ruined mountain trip and a strained group dynamic, and Kathryn breaks news to Thomas about the baby.

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The nanny is awesome. She is like the perfect mediator. 

Cameron is big time excited about being in Patricia's circle. She can make a shit ton of money because Patricia only knows rich people. I get why Cameron wants to stay loyal, I think it's a business decision. That said, she's really been a bitch this season.

Craig was chewing tobacco in his scene with Naomi at the cabin. His left cheek was lopsided and he was sucking on something.

Craig was sure fast to let Kathryn know, all of a sudden after his discovery that Whitney is really burned, that she now shouldn't care. Okayyyyyy. 

Is Whitney's LA place rented for production? It looks like a house you see on porn. I don't think he really lives there. 

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I am confused.  In season one I thought Kathryn didn't want anyone to know that she'd been with Whitney.  In fact I remember her saying that she thought he was gay and they talked about fashion.

Whitney is just creepy.

Bravo didn't bleep out all the swear words.  I clearly heard Whitney call Craig a "cocksucker."

And Kathryn is still batshit.  She has a fantasy about this life with Thomas, but it's not grounded in reality.

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Craig is an ass.  If I was Naomi, I'd really want to know why the Whitney/Kathryn relationship matters so much to him.  It's really none of his business.  He's like a junior high school girl.

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Whitney is gross. And his popped collar was ridiculous. ETA his wanting Craig on all fours...

The Nanny should get an extra check for mediation.

Shep ripping on people that donate anonymously?

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In the words of Bugs Bunny, what a bunch of maroons.  Thomas wanting to go to L.A.  right before Katherine's due date.  He's so freaking selfish!  And Whitney getting all pissy that Thomas decides not to go and blaming it all on Katherine.  Uh....yeah!  Of course Katherine didn't want him to go.  He's the Father, for cripes sake.  Whitney never should have invited Thomas knowing that his baby is due any day now and Thomas should have never accepted in the first place.  What a bunch of maroons!!  Idiots too!

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Kathryn might've had a fling with Whitney because he is a producer on the show, but found a better (and more dramatic) way to solidify her role. Whitney was played and tossed aside, and then couldn't get her off the show. Plus, she changed his precious Thomas. :(

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Were we to believe that Whit and his "girlfriend" were having adult funtimes for those 2 hours? Those kisses in the driveway were AWKward and he got totally redressed down to putting on his sneakers afterwards before that Elvis inspired "song."  

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Larissa's laugh would drive me insane.

Whitney's house looks like something out of a futuristic Clockwork Orange. I can see him playing the lead role made famous by Malcolm McDowell. (Don't tell him I said that, it would go to his head. One of them.)

I'm getting tired of Thomas and Kathryn. I want him to find a new serious girlfriend, closer to his age, with tact and class. If such a companion exists for T-Rav. I want Kathryn to go back to Monck's Corner.

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1 hour ago, bravofan27 said:

Craig was chewing tobacco in his scene with Naomi at the cabin. His left cheek was lopsided and he was sucking on something.

Is Whitney's LA place rented for production? It looks like a house you see on porn. I don't think he really lives there. 

Craig totally had chew in for a couple of scenes - with Naomie in the kitchen and outside with Cameran and Whitney after everyone else cleared out.  That was some fun editing because he'd have the bump in his cheek, and then not, then it was back etc. Chewing tobacco just grosses me out.

There is one LA house that gets rented for lots of tv shows, commercials and movies, that I thought was Whitney's house at first - but I think that house has a pool.  It's very similar with floor to ceiling glass and its up in the hills.

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First things first:  What the heck was on Whit's lip when he returned to the group after he went and sulked when Craig confronted him.

I thought the episode was kind of boring.  Too much Whit.  As much as he tries to be a cool, interesting guy, he's boring.  Larissa isn't in love.  Either he's paying her or she just uses him for publicity.

Really TRav.  Shame on both you and Whit stating that Kathryn being pissed off about the trip to LA was about control.  You both looked like fools.  Get a clue.

Loved Craig confronting Whit.  Whit, you douth protest too much.  And you've pulled Kathryn's strings any chance you've gotten.  The girl chose someone else.  There's a reason why you're in your forties and still single.  It's not by choice.  You just aren't the guy you liked to think you are.

Very little Landon.  Yay!

And wow.  Cameron has become such a disappointment.  Guess we know what your agenda is now. 

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I think, with no evidence, that the producer credit may mean another paycheck or a bonus for delivering or discovering a cast member, not an editing gig.

 

Everyone who participates in these shows is there for the viewers to ridicule or be appalled by; no one escapes.

Cameron has said she doesn't want to deal with the disruption of a pregnancy and a child.  I wish she could feel some empathy for someone who is experiencing the life changes that result from pregnancy and lean up off Katherine.  You know, it ain't easy.

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8 minutes ago, SFoster21 said:

I think, with no evidence, that the producer credit may mean another paycheck or a bonus for delivering or discovering a cast member, not an editing gig.

 

Whitney created the show with Bryan Krestner, his buisness partner in the failed restaurant who has appeared on the show, thet cast it and sold it, which is why they both have an exec producer credit. There are several articles out there that talk about it.

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All that white furniture in Whitney's CA home.  And then he put his shoe on the white couch as he serenaded the gf!  Sorry, that caught my eye right away.  ;)

Agree on the Cameran disappointment.  I didn't catch the $$ connection with Whitney, but that makes sense.

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Wow, how much time did Whit have to spend to get that LA place looking so immaculate & non-descript.  Let's see, just had to get rid of last nite's rentboy -- and then the whips & chains & plugs & various whatever.  Sigh, sounds like hard work for ole Whit.

Oh, those stains on the floor of that sorta creepy loft?  Ew.  I didn't believe his explanation for those icky stains for one second.  Where are the coffins Whitney sleeps in?  We didn't get to see those.  Guess there's an LA coffin & a Charleston coffin?

Poor Larissa.  Whitney better pay her extra for this act.  Yuck.  She had to look excited about hugging & being near him.  Shuddering.  Oh Whit, you have as much musical talent as Tom Sandoval.  Uh, that is -- NONE!

Anyone catch Horseteeth getting up?  Was it 5 or 6 when he got up?  Oh yeah, he was making eggs.  Doesn't matter to Horseteeth.  Guess he'll have his eggs at 5.  Mmm, kay.

Anyone see that cheap-ass bouquet of meh flowers Thom-ass got Kathryn?  It's bad enough he wears those awful white jeans that highlight his saggy ass, but he's cheap too?  Ugh.

Cam, sheesh, you were quite the butt-smootcher in this one.  Hmmm, could it be cuz Whit is a producer?  You ain't exactly difficult to read, hun.

Not much Snowflake in this one.  Hey, I'm not complaining.

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2 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

Craig is an ass.  If I was Naomi, I'd really want to know why the Whitney/Kathryn relationship matters so much to him.  It's really none of his business.  He's like a junior high school girl.

If Craig devoted half as much energy and focus to his work as he has done to Kathryn/Whitney, he'd have passed the bar already or would at least know what bourbon is.

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25 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

I thought the episode was kind of boring.  Too much Whit.  As much as he tries to be a cool, interesting guy, he's boring. 

This show would be so so dull if Whitney was the central character.  He is not likable and he is painfully unfunny.  Evidently he wants to be a major part of the show, but he is so stilted and awkward, even when he is talking with Shep and TRav.

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Thankfully, amid all the nastiness there was the adorableness that is Kensie speaking on the phone to her "DaDaDaDa."  That child is beautiful.  None of us truly know how much time she gets to spend with Thomas but her on-screen interactions with him this season have been just adorable.  

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Someone needs to give Dawn custody of the babies and Kensie and St. Julian too.

Once again, Thomas' relationship with Whitless either has or should change because Thomas is a father of two. Doing dipshit things with Whitless after a renob show should be far lower on Thomas' priorities because he has children to care for. How do none of them see that Thomas has to grow up? Why won't they listen to Dawn? She's making all of the sense. Maybe that explains why the rest of cast is sounding stupider and more unreasonable. Dawn has stolen all of the sense in Charleston. Just listen to Dawn. She's the one in the uniform/scrubs.

I wonder how Whitney is going to address him calling Kathryn a liar and the editors contradicting him at every turn. Larissa's Stella Adler classes are working. She no longer looks like someone who wants to vomit at the sight of him.

What exactly does Whitney do in L.A.? He doesn't seem to have any active projects. Why wouldn't he go to Georgia? There is a very active film and television scene there. And there is probably a lot less competition for dollars and crew in Georgia.

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"I have been in love many times before, but they usually don't go for me." Oh, Whitney, you slay me. This truly made me laugh. 

Last week I was wondering why Kathryn needed another crib, but then I concluded that perhaps Kensie still needed hers.  But there's no way a person needs two changing tables.  What happened to Kensie's?

Cameran and her "there's nothing more to it than Whitney doesn't like Kathryn" spiel can just keep on walking.  I don't like plenty of people; hell, I've had to work with tons of assholes that I'd just as soon never see again and screwed me over career wise.  But I didn't pitch a fit about having to be in the same room as them.  I just did my job, behaved cordially, and didn't engage beyond necessary.  Whitney gets too riled up with mention of Kathryn for there not to be something else.  I still think he's pissed she hijacked his show, and possibly his bromance with TRav.

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9 minutes ago, Lizzing said:

"I have been in love many times before, but they usually don't go for me." Oh, Whitney, you slay me. This truly made me laugh. 

Last week I was wondering why Kathryn needed another crib, but then I concluded that perhaps Kensie still needed hers.  But there's no way a person needs two changing tables.  What happened to Kensie's?

Cameran and her "there's nothing more to it than Whitney doesn't like Kathryn" spiel can just keep on walking.  I don't like plenty of people; hell, I've had to work with tons of assholes that I'd just as soon never see again and screwed me over career wise.  But I didn't pitch a fit about having to be in the same room as them.  I just did my job, behaved cordially, and didn't engage beyond necessary.  Whitney gets too riled up with mention of Kathryn for there not to be something else.  I still think he's pissed she hijacked his show, and possibly his bromance with TRav.

Kensie was under two when Kathryn's son was born.  Two changing tables?  If they have their own rooms...yes, she needed another changing table.  Does she want to bring either of them to the others room if one was sleeping?  Nope.

I totally agree that Whit gets too riled up about Kathryn.  And IMO, there is something else there.  She dumped him for TRav.  I think that hurt him greatly. 

Like or not but TRav made it very clear at the end of the show that with the birth of his son, the Ravenel name would be carried on.  And no doubt to me that choosing Kathryn as the mother of his children had a lot to do with the 'stock' she comes from. 

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An answer to "When can they say cocksucker?"- Five years ago, US Supreme Court October 2011 ruling: on FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION ET AL. v. FOX TELEVISION STATIONS, INC., ET AL.  Now even "shit" can be said...15+ times per episode on "Suits".

Craig is this season's Ass (I agree with Bronzedog)-- He is the petulent youth that is clueless...saying things "Wrong Place, Wrong Time"--- If what he has to say is "SO important" (rather than for effect) he should have confronted Whitney in private.  That would have been the grownup thing to do.  Instead, Craig Conover, is the "Peter Pan" prepubescent child... unable to focus on his law exam...able to focus on mythical dreams "I'm going to be CEO of a bourbon empire". 

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1 hour ago, ninjago said:

This show would be so so dull if Whitney was the central character.  He is not likable and he is painfully unfunny.  Evidently he wants to be a major part of the show, but he is so stilted and awkward, even when he is talking with Shep and TRav.

I just remembered that on last season's reunion, Andy called Kathryn and Thomas the Taylor and Burton of the cast. While I'm sure that meant nothing to most of the cast, it was probably was a huge blow to Whitney's ego. That was almost certainly the moment when he realized he had no chance of recapturing the narrative of the show and reframing it back towards his original intent. You can tell it's just curdling him, souring him from the inside out.

To contrast Shep cracks on Craig, but you can tell that he isn't all that invested anymore. Shep mainly sees this a fun way to get paid to party and meet girls. If that means he has to put with Craig or Kathryn, so what.

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I don't get it. I don't. Thomas is 30(❗) years older than Kathryn--T.H.I.R.T.Y.     So, why is all the vitriol and venom SOLELY directed at 24(?)year old Kathryn ❓❓❓❓      And, in addition, during those years of his HO'leymoleying, surely tHOmas must have learned about control and contraception. SO, why is all the vitriol and venom solely directed at Kathryn❓ Yeah, yes, oui, si,... Kathryn is manipulative...BUT tHOmas is as well.

What.  the.  f _ _ k ❗     Whitney and Larissa. Was that a comedy sketch ❓

Golly. Gee. The way that Cameran's face is firmly pressed against and avidly kissing stale ?$$, she could be a stand-in for a particular character on the t.v. series, PREACHER.

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4 hours ago, Neurochick said:

I am confused.  In season one I thought Kathryn didn't want anyone to know that she'd been with Whitney.  In fact I remember her saying that she thought he was gay and they talked about fashion.

Whitney is just creepy.

Bravo didn't bleep out all the swear words.  I clearly heard Whitney call Craig a "cocksucker."

And Kathryn is still batshit.  She has a fantasy about this life with Thomas, but it's not grounded in reality.

An answer to "When can they say cocksucker?"- Five years ago, US Supreme Court October 2011 ruling: on FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION ET AL. v. FOX TELEVISION STATIONS, INC., ET AL.  Now even "shit" can be said...15+ times per episode on "Suits"

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That was charming, Bravo apparently didn't think viewers could figure out the expletives if they bleeped them out so they didn't.

Charleston must not have a finishing school.

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11 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

Craig is an ass.  If I was Naomi, I'd really want to know why the Whitney/Kathryn relationship matters so much to him.  It's really none of his business.  He's like a junior high school girl.

The thing that bugged me about Craig talking about Whitney and Kathryn is that it made Kathryn look bad; I mean she liked one guy and slept with his best friend to get back at him?  If a man did that to two women, we'd all call him a dog; guys like that used to get booed on shows like Jerry Springer, back in the 90's.  I think Whitney should get down on his knees and thank God that he dodged that bullet.  

Kathryn needs to realize that even though Thomas has two children now, he only wants to PLAY the role of "daddy."  He doesn't want to actually BE a daddy.  That's why Thomas wanted to go to LA with Whitney and Shep.  You can't make anybody grow up.  If Thomas doesn't want to grow up, he's not going to grow up, no matter how many children Kathryn manages to push out.  Kathryn needs to understand that.  She wanted Thomas, she got him, now she has to deal with him.  

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10 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

The nanny is awesome. She is like the perfect mediator. 

Cameron is big time excited about being in Patricia's circle. She can make a shit ton of money because Patricia only knows rich people. I get why Cameron wants to stay loyal, I think it's a business decision. That said, she's really been a bitch this season.

Craig was chewing tobacco in his scene with Naomi at the cabin. His left cheek was lopsided and he was sucking on something.

Craig was sure fast to let Kathryn know, all of a sudden after his discovery that Whitney is really burned, that she now shouldn't care. Okayyyyyy. 

Is Whitney's LA place rented for production? It looks like a house you see on porn. I don't think he really lives there. 

I don't know if it he rents or owns the LA place, but I do think that's where he may spend most of his time.  Patricia even commented on Whitney's current loft space, and said that he has had three lofts in as many years, so that means that he rents a loft in Charleston whenever they are filming.  And, apparently, the one he's in now must have been furnished.  When Patricia mentioned something about "not being too sure about this pillow", Whit's reply was "So what - it's rented".  

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