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cmr2014
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I was thinking about this and the idea that the girls weren't "harmed" and weren't "damaged goods" which led me to realize that ALL of the Duggar children are "damaged goods" and I think that's becomi

Churchhoney
Churchhoney

They put themselves on tv and have proclaimed over and over and over and over again that their way of life is the way to ensure that your children are totally safe from every evil of the world, and in

WhitneyWhit
WhitneyWhit

I don't know where to post this but I fucking met Michelle Duggar. Let me set the scene. So my cousin is getting married and we were at a shop looking at dresses here in Kentucky when the Duggars marc

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

While I don't think any type of extremists should have a platform, I don't see a lot of folks scrambling to be like to Duggars. The viewers seem to fall into three categories: like minded, meh and haters.

I see families like the Kardashians as doing more widespread damage, especially to women. Because folks do scramble to be like the Kardashians and I'm guessing they have way more fans.

I'm not saying the Duggars are harmless, I just think they make far less of an impact as many think they do.

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Chicklet

Chicklet

The problem is the Kardashians don't think they need to control everything and those of the Duggar ilk do. Look up the Seven Mountains Mandate.

Now the Kardashians have tried to wreck fashion (someone please explain them and Kanye to me) and have tried to convince their followers that if it didn't get documented on social media it didn't happen so yea they have influence. 

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

1 hour ago, Chicklet said:

The problem is the Kardashians don't think they need to control everything and those of the Duggar ilk do. Look up the Seven Mountains Mandate.

Now the Kardashians have tried to wreck fashion (someone please explain them and Kanye to me) and have tried to convince their followers that if it didn't get documented on social media it didn't happen so yea they have influence. 

I was more talking about body image, sex, privilege, etc. 

 

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

5 minutes ago, Chicklet said:

Well yes they do that. But Duggars subvert societal (non-religious) norms. Or attempt to. 

Maybe the Kardashians do that also considering the acceptance of sex tapes by young people. Ok they are both horrible people.

IMO, the Kardashians have more 'success' at influencing folks' behaviors. The Duggars, not so much, they can barely sell a book, never mind their brand of Christianity.

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satrunrose

satrunrose

I suppose this should go in the Old Time Religion thread, but I'm so curious to know how the Duggars deal with the cognitive dissonance of "God has great things planned for Josh, so the devil is targeting him" and "Clearly, with these past revelations, the devil has won and God hasn't gotten out of the tub". Do they try to convince themselves that they never believed that Josh was super special and chosen (we have always been at war with East Asia) or that he's somehow going recover from this?

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Zella

Zella

49 minutes ago, satrunrose said:

I suppose this should go in the Old Time Religion thread, but I'm so curious to know how the Duggars deal with the cognitive dissonance of "God has great things planned for Josh, so the devil is targeting him" and "Clearly, with these past revelations, the devil has won and God hasn't gotten out of the tub". Do they try to convince themselves that they never believed that Josh was super special and chosen (we have always been at war with East Asia) or that he's somehow going recover from this?

Oh I wouldn't be surprised if they think he is still being targeted. Like he's walking around with the devil's bullseye on his back. 

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doodlebug

doodlebug

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9 minutes ago, Zella said:

Oh I wouldn't be surprised if they think he is still being targeted. Like he's walking around with the devil's bullseye on his back. 

I think JB and M have come too far to turn back now.  They will continue to insist that the devil is torturing poor Joshy because he is so special and destined for greatness.  To admit that they were wrong about him and that they spent decades favoring him and buying his way out of trouble for no good reason is not going to happen. I would hope that some of the older kids have gotten a clue, especially those with spouses and are no longer buying the myth that Josh is God's chosen.

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MMEButterfly

MMEButterfly

54 minutes ago, satrunrose said:

I suppose this should go in the Old Time Religion thread, but I'm so curious to know how the Duggars deal with the cognitive dissonance of "God has great things planned for Josh, so the devil is targeting him" and "Clearly, with these past revelations, the devil has won and God hasn't gotten out of the tub". Do they try to convince themselves that they never believed that Josh was super special and chosen (we have always been at war with East Asia) or that he's somehow going recover from this?

Have the Duggars ever read about the lives of the first century Christians post-Pentecost? Nothing in Josh's behavior remotely resembles them. Wouldn't a follower of Jesus bear a greater resemblance? 

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WinnieWinkle

WinnieWinkle

1 minute ago, doodlebug said:

 I would hope that some of the older kids have gotten a clue, especially those with spouses and are no linger buying the myth that Josh is God's chosen.

Aside from being born first what on earth did Josh Duggar ever do to give him this golden child status?  I mean was he healing lepers?  Speaking 5 languages at the age of 3? Solving world hunger?  I just do not get it.

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Zella

Zella

3 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

I think JB and M have come too far to turn back now.  They will continue to insist that the devil is torturing poor Joshy because he is so special and destined for greatness.  To admit that they were wrong about him and that they spent decades favoring him and buying his way out of trouble for no good reason is not going to happen. I would hope that some of the older kids have gotten a clue, especially those with spouses and are no linger buying the myth that Josh is God's chosen.

Yep! They have doubled down for him so many times that I don't think they will ever admit they were wrong. 

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4 minutes ago, WinnieWinkle said:

Aside from being born first what on earth did Josh Duggar ever do to give him this golden child status?  I mean was he healing lepers?  Speaking 5 languages at the age of 3? Solving world hunger?  I just do not get it.

My phone screwed up my reply. What was interesting to me in the Reddit AMA with the verified childhood friend of Josh is that Jim Bob and the other elders in the church apparently really liked that Josh was "a good talker" and felt that would be an asset. 

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MMEButterfly

MMEButterfly

9 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

I think JB and M have come too far to turn back now.  They will continue to insist that the devil is torturing poor Joshy because he is so special and destined for greatness.  To admit that they were wrong about him and that they spent decades favoring him and buying his way out of trouble for no good reason is not going to happen. I would hope that some of the older kids have gotten a clue, especially those with spouses and are no longer buying the myth that Josh is God's chosen.

BBM, thus enhancing their ego-centric views of self. 

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ozziemom

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JimBoob ever admitting he is wrong about anything seems highly unlikely. They will continue to “pray on it” and do whatever it takes for Josh. Meanwhile they barely know a thing about their other kids or grandkids. I have little hope that the grown kids who depend on JB for everything will have any other thoughts but what JB tells them.

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Tuxcat

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8 hours ago, ozziemom said:

JimBoob ever admitting he is wrong about anything seems highly unlikely. They will continue to “pray on it” and do whatever it takes for Josh. Meanwhile they barely know a thing about their other kids or grandkids. I have little hope that the grown kids who depend on JB for everything will have any other thoughts but what JB tells them.

Agree they will never admit publicly. Agree also that JB is just the center around which the other kids orbit. He doesn't know them and I think that was true of Michelle when she was still birthing.

Though now, I think she is closer to her adult girls. I also think she still secretly talks to Jill. Michelle's world view was funneled to her through JB. But now the adult daughters might be opening up different discussions and ideas for her. If true, that could be pretty interesting down the line - though we would never hear about that publicly. Over time, these new exposures might also cause her to feel guilty about choosing the Gothard ways.

They say a parent is only ever as happy as their least happiest child. Not true for JB. But perhaps devastatingly true for Michelle.

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

On 5/9/2021 at 11:16 AM, WinnieWinkle said:

Aside from being born first what on earth did Josh Duggar ever do to give him this golden child status?  I mean was he healing lepers?  Speaking 5 languages at the age of 3? Solving world hunger?  I just do not get it.

He was the first loin fruit of JIm Bob Duggar (who I think also believed for a long long time that he might be the person sent by the correct Jesus to save America from its heathen satanic modern self) and Meeechelle, the cheerleader Jim Bob Duggar snagged. 

I have a feeling that's all it took to make Josh a Very Special Episode from birth. 

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Just think, if "reality tv" were actually a thing, we'd already have had special episodes about the banning of Jill from the TTH and about every single incredibly sexist and ill-advised word of Katey's and Jed!'s engagement and wedding vows. 

And next up there'd be a special episode about the bond hearing. 

Because then rather than taking real, very messed-up people and casting them in an utterly whitewashed, false, scripted, Disney-princess fantasy version of their lives and convincing a lot of naive people that it's "reality," they'd show the actual "reality" of the 21st-century, fundamentalist Christian patriarchy gone completely haywire when two lunatics decide to have 19 children come hell or high water and set themselves up as national role models. 

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cmr2014

cmr2014

1 hour ago, awaken said:

In what way could they possibly help India with COVID?  They wouldn’t even mask, limit travel, or social distance to help keep their own families and friends safe. 

I would imagine that the lion's share of the money will go to "administrative costs," but there will be some left over to buy Bible tracts to mail to someone in Dehli.

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emmawoodhouse

emmawoodhouse

5 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

I would imagine that the lion's share of the money will go to "administrative costs," but there will be some left over to buy Bible tracts to mail to someone in Dehli.

They could send blatant covid denier Lawson Bates over to deliver the tracts personally. He still wouldn't put on a mask. 🙄

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

I have no idea how legit (or not) the Duggar/Bates organization is, but what makes me suspicious is, for the last year many US states were suffering and clamoring for help. Where were they then?

I guess it could be because there wasn't enough supplies and donations to go around during that time, but it seems to me MedicCorps only show their faces when its other countries.

Or is it a white savior thing? Or maybe they 'help' unsuspecting countries that initially appreciate the help. Help that turns out to be a Mickey Mouse operation?

Or maybe they're legit?

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Albanyguy

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1 hour ago, Chicklet said:

I wouldn't trust a Duggar or Bates with any amount of money and I would demand transparency which is not going to happen as Grift is their blood type.

My guess is that it's partly a fundraising scam and partly a clumsy attempt to deflect attention away from Josh and all the bad publicity he's brought down upon them: "See, no matter what Josh may have done, we're all really good people! We care about human suffering!".

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I have no idea how legit (or not) the Duggar/Bates organization is, but what makes me suspicious is, for the last year many US states were suffering and clamoring for help. Where were they then?

I guess it could be because there wasn't enough supplies and donations to go around during that time, but it seems to me MedicCorps only show their faces when its other countries.

Or is it a white savior thing? Or maybe they 'help' unsuspecting countries that initially appreciate the help. Help that turns out to be a Mickey Mouse operation?

Or maybe they're legit?

Well, there are a fair number of fundamentalist mission hospitals in India. Countries like that with few Christians are considered big and important 'mission fields" for them.

My guess is that one of those mission hospitals has some connection to somebody these people know -- maybe from a church they've been in or run by a Gothardite. So mediccorps is collecting money that they'll send to that hospital (after taking "administrative fees," of course).

I think a lot of their co-religionists will quickly read this -- correctly -- as money going to a conversion mission in a "heathen" country. And since that's something they believe they're especially charged by God to do, that'll burnish mediccorps' image.

Whereas doing something in the U.S. about covid, they'd be unlikely to be able to channel any money through a conversion-mission-run health operation, since in the U.S. a lot of conservative Protestants have been on the Covid-isn't-real side. and hospitals here aren't often run by their ilk. 

So it's definitely white savior.

But the place where they're almost certainly directing their money isn't itself unsuspecting, exactly. I'm sure everybody in its neighborhood has long known that the hospital is run by American conservative Protestants looking to convert people, alongside whatever else they might do. So, you know, hard to tell how much individuals who get care there are bothered or not bothered by the conversion part. 

I think the idea of godbothering somebody when you're also extending "charity" of whatever kind is rotten. But I know that it's something they definitely see as commanded by the scriptures, so there you are. Just hope that the mediccorps grifters don't take too big a fee and that the hospital they're supporting is more about health and care than it is about pressuring people to convert. With this gang knowing them, though, that's probably not too likely. But you never know. 

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cmr2014

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4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I have no idea how legit (or not) the Duggar/Bates organization is, but what makes me suspicious is, for the last year many US states were suffering and clamoring for help. Where were they then?

I guess it could be because there wasn't enough supplies and donations to go around during that time, but it seems to me MedicCorps only show their faces when its other countries.

Or is it a white savior thing? Or maybe they 'help' unsuspecting countries that initially appreciate the help. Help that turns out to be a Mickey Mouse operation?

Or maybe they're legit?

As far as I know, there's only one previous instance of Medicorps volunteering at a national emergency -- the hurricane a couple of years ago in the Bahamas. In that case, they stomped around and commandeered supplies and ate meals that were flown to them from Florida.

I think it's entirely possible that they *want* to do good, but they simply have no idea what to do. They may have seen an organization at a disaster site once, and, of course, assumed that they knew everything there was to know about managing disaster relief.

The Duggars are *never* students. They are never interested in learning from others. There is no one in this organization, or on their board, who knows anything about disaster relief. I can't imagine a scenario where this will help even one person in India.

Maybe it's all just a grift. Maybe the gen 2 Duggars really don't understand the difference between a "charity" and a "grift."

One more thing. Any organization that wanted to help in India should have been on the ground weeks ago. The fact is that they have no supply chain, no cash reserves, no contacts, no nothing, really. They're some guys with planes and basic first aid skills. The fact that they've roused themselves to maybe think about doing *something* to help weeks after the crisis began isn't terribly impressive.

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madpsych78

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If you actually go to the Mediccorps website, the only Duggars/Bates represented are John David and Nathan Bates. The one who is actually listed at the top is Dr. E. Elias Gollapalli, DO who specializes in emergency medicine. He is named as the Medical Director for Mediccorps.

Interestingly, there are two MDs listed and they are both women.

And then you've got JD, Nathan, and Andrew Patton, with maybe some EMT training at most but otherwise are not presumably at the level of these other individuals.

https://mediccorps.org/who-we-are-2/

I don't know how much of a grift it is - they note they are a non-profit - but they clearly have a religious angle in their medical missions.

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Rootbeer

Rootbeer

53 minutes ago, JoanArc said:

A little googling so is this guy has medical licenses in Florida Michigan, and Kansas. He seems to live very close to the SOS ministries people. Maybe a coincidence. Probably not a coincidence.

It also seems that his actual first name is Esli although he uses Elias professionally.  Gollapalli is an Asian surname and there is a village called Gollapalli in India.

Best case scenario: Dr Gollapalli is either from India or has family there and has deep connections to the country and is better able to assist in this crisis than many other American fundamentalists/evangelicals.

Many Indian physicians in the US, Christian or otherwise, use some of their income to build and staff clinics and small hospitals in the areas where their family originated.  They often will spend their vacation time away from their US practices working in their clinics in India.

So, while I don't trust the Duggars or Bates; I believe they didn't hook up with this guy until after the disaster in the Bahamas (their behavior was the disaster); so maybe they now have someone in their organization who has some altruistic leanings.

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