The Duggars: In the Media and TLC

[poopchute]

Is it wrong to compare this to the tiger woods scandal. Gosh I'm hoping women come out describing his sexual tastes and how he talks shit about his family. Maybe if a woman got pregnant by him on the side he'll pay for the abortion or pay her off. Please don't hate me for thinking this!

"No turkey unless it's a club sandwich!"

[MonicaM]

Is it wrong to compare this to the tiger woods scandal. 

 

This is way more fun than anything involving Tiger Woods.  Tiger Woods never set himself up as a role model and spokesperson for the moral behavior everyone should follow.  

[kassygreene]

I last read this forum apparently 24 seconds before the story posted here, and didn't know this was happening until I saw the TalkingPointsMemo.com blurb earlier today.  Crikey.

 

Sadly, I'm not sure that this can make the Duggars go away.  If it does, fine.    The first test of that will be how much, if any, Duggar presence there will be in the August 30 TLC Very Special Special (which from everything I've read will not be under the editorial control of anyone who has ever had Duggar in his/her name).  But since I first started following this forum after TWOP was put down I've noticed, to the credit of the posters here, that time and again the followers of this forum keep hoping for the best, that Derrick will be Jill's way out, that Ben isn't really as noxious as he and his father seem, that the older girls are hoping for escape, that JB would descend into fully incoherent babble, that Mechelle's vocal fry would permanently fry her vocals....

 

We hope that Anna and her children can break away.  It won't happen; her culture doesn't give her that out, and neither will her parents.  We hope that something will save the feral children.  It won't happen, the state of Arkansas has lots of problems that permit even uglier things to stand.  Half a dozen wild children don't have a chance.

 

Two accounts?  The first one was not very anonymous, and if he was attempting to "meet" people in his area, it wouldn't be that hard to out him.  The second account had a better username, and was in a region with more possibilities (although the rape-y answer about forcing sex I would hope reduced the numbers).

 

As for the data breech/dump/outing - that it could happen means AM was a fairly typical IT shop - careless.  This is kind of geeky, but that kind of raw data can't be easily faked - the best you can do is patch different values in, byte by byte, without shortening or lengthening the data. There was far too much verifiable data for that to be the case.  Neither was this specifically targeted at Josh Duggar, or any other hypocritical holy-roller.  If the hackers are to be believed, they are exposing the fraud of AM not actually deleting data they've been paid to delete - that just so happens to be scorching one whole helluva lot of earth.  To demonstrate the potential for blackmail of retaining that data, they released it all.  

 

This is largely a sideshow to the AM situation.  There are .gov and .mil addresses in this data dump.  Thousands, apparently.  That is misuse of federal assets.  And there are also the non-governmental addresses.  If I was running or managing a business which provided email accounts to employees, I would be testing every damn one of them against the database right now.  Any and every hit I made would be another meeting to schedule regarding salary continuation plans.

 

Think I'm over-reacting?  Depending on the employee regulations, and what was done with the email accounts (and you do not own your email, the employer who pays for it does), there are people who are going to get fired.  And this data is on the internet, being made more and more easily accessible.  The only "good" thing about this is that it now isn't fodder for blackmail.  There are no clothes, new or old; the emperor is naked.

 

Circling back:  I don't think this is the other shoe.  I think there is still something else.  I don't know what, but I will continue to be surprised at how unsurprising it will be.

[HeyNow]

I will give Josh credit for saying he's the biggest hypocrite, because yeah, he is. 

I want proof he knows the definition of the word hypocrite.

[riverblue22]

I worked for a large county government outside of Washington, D.C.  You always knew that nothing you wrote on government computers was private.  Questionable sites were blocked (no TMZ at lunch!) and people were called out for sites that were visited.  I think it was very clear to all employees that visiting dating sites would potentially cause a lot of trouble.  I'm just really surprised that there are such lax standards elsewhere and so many stupid people!

[kalamac]

I work in IT, and the most fun thing to do is walk up behind people and say "is that work related?" and watch them scramble. Heh.

 

I am not at all surprised that so many people were using their work email addresses. I've found as soon as you give people an email address, about 75% of them, regardless of education or natural common sense start using that address to sign up for all sorts of shit. It's amazing.

[Loves2Dance]

Are we sure this is what they knew?

Not court worthy, but no one lives with cameramen like that and not slip-up. This is Josh we're talking about...all is takes is logging into the wrong thing at the wrong time. 

[Wellfleet]

It's his constitutional right to express his opinions, but he also supported legislation that would rob entire groups of people who did nothing to him of their rights. Not constitutional. I'm not in Washington lobbying to pass bills that would legally obligate Josh Duggar to have sex with both men and women just because that's what works for me. I'm not in Washington lobbying to make Josh Duggar's marriage to Anna not recognized by the state just because I personally find them and their cult distasteful. Overall I don't agree with what the hackers did either, it's a huge invasion of privacy. But I don't have a problem with Josh specifically being outed because it really couldn't happen to a more deserving person. Nobody would be anywhere near this frenzied about it if Josh hadn't been spewing judgment in his grammatically free-jazz English  for the past ten years at every opportunity. Josh Duggar is a liar, a charlatan, a low-rent used-car salesman who uses Christianity to bolster his own ego and his own selfish needs. 

 

This is the crux of the issue for me too. The Duggars - and Josh in particular, with his position at the FRC - threw stones. And they threw them first. I don't think anyone here is proud of feeling happiness or even "glee" over this latest tidbit about Josh. But by the same token, I think it's probably human nature to feel good seeing hypocrites taken down a peg or two. Especially people who continually imply that they're better than nearly everyone else because of their exemplary behavior. And more especially when those people get caught doing the very thing for which they condemn others.

Edited August 21, 2015 by Wellfleet

[magpye29]

I don't think this is the other shoe.

 

Neither do I.  There's a whole wardrobe out there defying gravity

[msblossom]

Yeah, the "my precious wife Anna" thing alone deserves quite a swift kick to the nutsack. Anna, I have steel-toed Doc Martens if you want to borrow them.

You hit a home run there, Aja. My sentiments exactly. So many of your posts are worthy of double 'likes'.

Edited August 21, 2015 by msblossom

[Marigold]

Me too.

 

Tip of the iceberg...stay tuned!!!!

[Catlyn]

Here's the original confession and then the revised versions: 

http://gawker.com/jo...crit-1725405629

 

One would think ol' Josh would finally realize the internet is forever.

Actually, there was one more before the blog closed. I guess they are having someone ghost-write a final one. Or, they've given up on it.

[Cherrio]

Actually, there was one more before the blog closed. I guess they are having someone ghost-write a final one. Or, they've given up on it.

Sierra must of gone home or been attacked by one of those flamingo's.

[Julia]

from the People article:

 

It's like he's a completely different person from who they thought he was.

Um, yeah. He's a hypocrite and a liar who hides his sexually inappropriate activity so he can profit from a public face of hyper-vigilant propriety. Who saw that coming.

 

I asked in the Josh thread, but what does everyone thing about the molestation documentary? Will it air? I think it'll air, but Jill and Jessa will be conveniently cut out, with no comment by TLC.

 

I question whether Jill and Jessa will be allowed to say much in that documentary. Based on their Fox interview, I suspect their thoughts on how to responsibly handle molestation aren't anything RAINN is going to be willing to associate with. I think it's far more likely that they're going to be shown sitting in a room being schooled.

 

Either way, I think it would be a huge mistake to cut them out of it. If there was ever a clear example that protecting the molester from having to deal with the consequences of his actions and get help is a tragic mistake, it's this one.

 

Are we sure this is what they knew?

Interesting question. Because while I tend to agree that there are probably more shoes hanging in the air, if this is the secret the producers knew, there's no way that Jim Bob and Michelle didn't know it. Which makes their claim that they only found out yesterday the first time they've unambiguously lied to protect their own reputations.

[kalamac]

Considering Josh's name was found so fast, and we'd all heard there was more to come before this current scandal, maybe one of the magazines had already been in talks with someone Josh had been seeing, who had told them that she met him through AM. Then when the AM stuff leaked, it was that they already knew to look, because they knew there was something to find.

[Aja]

It's like he's a completely different person from who they thought he was.

 

Pretty sure at least Jill and Jessa knew very well who--and what--he was.

Edited August 21, 2015 by Aja

[magpye29]

Which makes their claim that they only found out yesterday the first time they've unambiguously lied to protect their own reputations.

 

That we know of.

[Lemur]

This is way more fun than anything involving Tiger Woods.  Tiger Woods never set himself up as a role model and spokesperson for the moral behavior everyone should follow.  

 

Also, if you'd ever met Tiger in those pre-scandal days, he was quite clearly on the prowl, all the time, regardless of whether or not he or the woman was married.

 

(As in, when I met him in 2000, he not only hit on me, but every other woman under 30 in the room.)

[Skittl1321]

  There are .gov and .mil addresses in this data dump.  Thousands, apparently.

 

And while I have no doubt some of those are real, I bet a lot are fake.

 

I know I often hope that google was smart enough to set aside "fake@gmail.com" because I use that to sign up for stuff all the time. Sorry if it belongs to any of you. 

 

I would think most people signing up at AM were smart enough to fake an email address regardless of whether they used a .gov, .mil, .com ending.

[Julia]

That we know of.

Oh, I think that the entire course of their behavior in the matter of Josh has been about protecting their own reputations, but up to this point there's always been someone else they could have said they were doing it on behalf of. They were protecting the victims, they wanted to handle it in the bosom of the family, it was over and done with and they didn't want to rake up the past, they didn't want one mistake to destroy Josh's life...

Not only did they lie if they knew about this and they explicitly claimed they didn't, right out in the open with everyone watching, but quite a few of their other statements about Josh's redemption come into play. For instance: did they know when they were talking to that nice Miz Kelly on Fox?

Edited August 21, 2015 by Julia

[Churchhoney]

King James tells them so:

 

Proverbs 22:6, King James Version

"Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it."

 

They figure that's their insurance against surprises, I expect. And they think it's all about "training," not education, clearly. But in fact it's probably more about education, you're never safe from surprises, and they have never done even training consistently, especially with Josh. They're too dumb to figure any of that out, however, I would guess.

Edited August 21, 2015 by Churchhoney

[DangerousMinds]

Even though I am disgusted by everything AM stands for, I just want to say that even the creeps on there are deserving of Internet privacy. Today it's Ashley Madison; tomorrow it could be previously.tv or any other sites that have our personal information. (I totally use a burner email and fake names for account registrations, but know not everyone does.)

I agree 100%, and it seems most people out there aren't getting this.

[satrunrose]

 

They're baffled because they seem to believe that their kids are just programmable robots. If they control and manage what the kids do while at home in their formative years, then the kids will never deviate from those home-taught behaviors as adults.

Exactly Suz at Large! I think there are a very, very long list of things wrong with the Duggar approach to life, the universe and everything, but the most epic for me is that they treat their kids like a crate of barbies. No truly  individual names (Jana, Joy-Anna, Johanna), no personality short of a sentence long sound-byte that may or may not be accurate, a shared wardrobe of clothes, but man it's awesome to plunk that crate down in some other kid's face and show how many you own. 

[Chai]

blindgossip.com/?p=71479

 

May 22 2015 

 

If any one was interested in reading the blind gossip article where the popular guess was the Duggar family and what the producers knew. Please google the link above if my link here is broken and it should come up. 

[toodywoody]

Josh is a piece of work. And now there is an article saying Anna blames herself. Wtf!

Wonder how Jim boob is taking it?

[Liz Tudor]

Maybe Josh should be put through a remedial dose of blanket training. Surround the blanket with *ahem* things that stimulate his interest, and whack him with a paddle when he makes a move. Yep. That outta do it. Unless, of course, he's into that kind of thing. Maybe that's what he was after. Great, now I have this image of him in a ball gag on a blanket, waiting for it. Who had the brain bleach last?

[NewDigs]

It appears to be hitting more mainstream networks.

josh_the_man. Really. That's a CNN link.

Well, at least he got the, I am a big ol' hypocrite, part right.

Edited August 21, 2015 by NewDigs

[rulesoftravel]

 

I don't think anyone here is proud of feeling happiness or even "glee" over this latest tidbit about Josh.

I'm quite full of glee.  If he hadn't been so judgmentally obnoxious I probably wouldn't be, but he was, so I am.

[galax-arena]

I agree 100%, and it seems most people out there aren't getting this.

My stance is that I will fully support the prosecution of the hackers when/if they're ever caught, but I still have a lot of unapologetic schadenfreude towards Josh. As far as I'm concerned, his downfall is a silver lining of the hack. 

[Aja]

My glee surrounding Josh Duggar is separate from my feelings about the rest of the Duggars. He has devastated and shattered the lives of his wife, children and siblings (and parents too, but I don't care about them) just so he could swing his dick around. My heart breaks for all of the lives that have been shattered by his disgusting actions. As for Josh, Jim Bob and Michelle--"glee" is too weak a word. 

[rulesoftravel]

If I were married to a Duggar (and thank all the gods I'm not), I would be getting tested for STDs weekly.    I cannot believe that his apology does not mention how much danger he has exposed his "precious wife" to. 

[NextIteration]

If I were married to a Duggar (and thank all the gods I'm not), I would be getting tested for STDs weekly.    I cannot believe that his apology does not mention how much danger he has exposed his "precious wife" to. 

 

And potentially, the fetuses she's been carrying.

[DollEyes]

Well I for one am here with my foot long subway sandwich and a big bowl of jello waiting for this to play out.

 

Add some tater tot casserole and I'm in.

 

And afterwards, maybe you could watch 7th Heaven reruns-with or without the Woody Allen & Roman Polanski film festivals.

 

 

Who is running this clown show?

 

  That's an insult-to clowns everywhere.

 

 

I will give Josh credit for saying he's the biggest hypocrite, because yeah, he is.

 

  Not me. If Josh was really remorseful about his actions, then he wouldn't have butchered his initial apology nor ignored all the other shit he's done to those he claims to love. If Josh wanted to own his hypocrisy, then he should either own all of it or shut the fuck up about it.

Edited August 21, 2015 by DollEyes

[Satchels of gold]

I have zero shame for taking delight in this story in fact if this story where a person I would marry it, that's how much I love it. The people who should feel shame are those trying to take away people's rights and spread misinformation about the trans community.

[galax-arena]

 in fact if this story where a person I would marry it, that's how much I love it. 

You're ruining the sanctity of marriage. No wonder Josh Duggar couldn't keep it in his pants. 

[Julia]

If Josh was really remorseful about his actions, then he wouldn't have butchered his initial apology nor ignored all the other shit he's done to those he claims to love. If Josh wanted to own his hypocrisy, then he should either own all of it or shut the fuck up about it.

I don't think Josh wrote any of those apologies. I think they were Jim Bob's edits of something Gov. Huckabee's friend knocked out.

[DollEyes]

 So Josh's apologies are allegedly as phony as he is? I'm not surprised.

Edited August 22, 2015 by DollEyes

[Churchhoney]

If I were married to a Duggar (and thank all the gods I'm not), I would be getting tested for STDs weekly.    I cannot believe that his apology does not mention how much danger he has exposed his "precious wife" to. 

 

I suppose that would be too much reality for them. Also, they mainly seem to mention stuff that they can eventually turn around and blame the problem on. As in -- It was porn that made me do it! Porn! It was the internet that led me astray!

 

Hard to blame his problem on an STD.

[galax-arena]

Only tangentially related to the Duggars, but an interesting read for anyone concerned about the hacking in general:

 

Why the Ashley Madison leak puts thousands of women and LGBT lives at risk in intolerant countries.

 

So, yeah. The hackers are assholes and I don't agree with people praising them. But Josh's downfall is the one bright spot. 

[CofCinci]

I have zero shame for taking delight in this story in fact if this story where a person I would marry it, that's how much I love it. The people who should feel shame are those trying to take away people's rights and spread misinformation about the trans community.

Word. The Duggars are terrible people who feverently and purposefully advocated for discrimination against millions.

[barbedwire]

Pride goes before a fall.

 

Really, Josh, you were not a gift to a world.  I feel just a tiny bit sorry for the pressure that was put on you by the church of Gothard that said get married young and have a bunch of kids.  Please get yourself fixed.

 

And, Anna, run!

[Fuzzysox]

This article says it all!

 

http://www.fishwrapper.com/post/2015/08/20/josh-duggar-porn-anna-cheating-ashley-madison-family-pictures-photos-pics/

[Lemur]

I have zero shame for taking delight in this story in fact if this story where a person I would marry it, that's how much I love it. The people who should feel shame are those trying to take away people's rights and spread misinformation about the trans community.

Marry it?  I wouldn't go that far.  I would take it behind the middle school and get it pregnant.  

[Julia]

So, yeah. The hackers are assholes and I don't agree with people praising them. But Josh's downfall is the one bright spot.

What's interesting is that they don't seem to have struck against Ashley Madison because it's a scumbag business run by scumbags. From what they've said, they struck against Ashley Madison because their customers weren't getting laid enough.

[MargeGunderson]

I want proof he knows the definition of the word hypocrite.

 

He may just be confused by the giant picture of himself next to the definition in the dictionary.

 

His message didn't come across as sincere to me - especially with all of the revisions. Seems like he should have gotten it right the first time, not changed it repeatedly, probably based on the advice of PR people/public response.

[rulesoftravel]

 

What's interesting is that they don't seem to have struck against Ashley Madison because it's a scumbag business run by scumbags. From what they've said, they struck against Ashley Madison because their customers weren't getting laid enough.

My impression of why the AM website was hacked was because they were taking money to delete accounts and were not deleting accounts.     Which the hackers felt was fraud.  Today they posted emails from the CEO, I believe.

Edited August 21, 2015 by rulesoftravel

[Frost]

It's interesting that this story was tops on the People site this morning and  as of right now, it seems to have disappeared completely.

[HeyNow]

Family Research Council weighs in:

 

http://www.people.com/article/family-research-council-slams-josh-duggar-cheating-scandal

[HumblePi]

When the news hit the media about Josh in May of this year, an article written by former fundamentalist Christian church member Brooke Arnold hit the internet. I highly recommend reading this article. After reading the article, which was very concise and clear, I can honestly say that I understand not only where this all stems from, but why. It's only because the Duggars have been a high-profile family for seven years that the story about Josh and his sexual molestation and porn addiction are even making news. There are many 'Josh Duggars' out there that we'll never know about. Do we not care about them because they don't have their own TV show and preach about the bible, or do we just not care about anyone else that has emotional issues because of a renegade religious cult?

 

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/28/i_couldve_been_a_duggar_wife_i_grew_up_in_the_same_church_and_the_abuse_scandal_doesnt_shock_me/

[Satchels of gold]

Did we know they guy who told his wife she was pregnant was a Madison user too? I always read all the post but I don't remember reading that. I've got to rethink my agnostic/ athesist stance because the baby Jesus seems to be answering all my prayers as of late.

ETA God put it on his heart to quit his job too!

Edited August 21, 2015 by nc socialworker