Party of One: Unpopular TV Opinions

[ribboninthesky1]

This reminded me of my related unpopular opinion; I hate "callbacks" and I hate the culture of always finding callbacks to previous minor things. Big things OK, but the "oh that was a callback to that time in season 2 when he lifted that thing off the table, isn't that wonderful" just annoys me. Probably it's because I'm too stupid to remember every episode, line, and nuance of season 2 when I'm in season 7!

 

Hee! I have pretty good recall, so I agree with you on the big things.  But I don't remember every single detail on a show that has several episodes under its belt, either.  But then, I commonly read how some fans rewatch episodes multiple times and catch additional details. I don't do that.  Nothing wrong with it, it's just not my thing.  Once is usually enough for me, and twice if there is a specific plot point or dialogue discussion, and I need to go back to verify what was done or said. If I'm streaming an episode, I'll "rewind" if I didn't understand something.  

 

In regards to good/bad acting:  I give kids a huge break.  Yes, some young actors are better than others, and sometimes the writing for them is awful--they're either written too old or too young for their character's ages--but I don't hold that against them.  When I hear people going on and on about how bad kids' are in tv shows that center around kids or families with kids, I wonder why they are watching the show in the first place.

 

When I watched Gilmore Girls, I'll never forget the criticism I read about the actress that played April, Luke's daughter.  Look, I hated that storyline as much as the next person, but the child playing April had nothing to do with it. It was ridiculous.  

 

Part of the problem though is people are complaining in real-time about something, and then you look at the show as a whole, and the plot works. Everything must be summarily judged immediately and everyone has to have a opinion right now. 

 

I agree with you in that, sometimes, a show can be greater than the sum of its parts.  That's one reason I can appreciate streaming technology - it gives me access to different kinds of shows, past and present, and I can watch several episodes to get a feel for the story.  I'll even concede that, at times, watching a show and NOT following online discussion enables me to enjoy the show for what it is.  

Edited June 13, 2015 by ribboninthesky1

[ganesh]

I just find the knee jerk reactions to be overly much at times, so I don't really participate in those discussion boards. I questioned before whether most people commenting on a show actually are watching the show anyway.

[supposebly]

 

I agree with you in that, sometimes, a show can be greater than the sum of its parts.

I couldn't agree more. A lot of shows improve for me by watching a few episodes in a row. Overarching plotlines seem more fleshed out and I don't get so bogged down in the details of an episode compared to when I watch weekly and have a week to think about just one episode.

 

For example, I watched Stargate SG-1 when I was sick for quite a long time and I would never have watched it at all on a weekly basis. There is just not enough going on to hold my interest in just the one episode.

 

On the other hand, I manage about 2-3 episodes of Justified max because there is just so much going on. And I'm not talking about plot, just too much stuff to digest and think about.

 

I love them both but they are very different shows and for me, they have to be watched differently.

Edited June 13, 2015 by supposebly

[Misslindsey]

I really liked the whole West Wing cast except for Donna. I was fine with her being an annoying side character, but when she got her own storylines I really became irritated with her. I forgot what they said her educational background was, but she ended up the first lady's chief of staff. Seriously? That would be like watching Bonnie, Ginger, Carol, or Margaret as the first lady's chief of staff. Though, I would have rather watched that. Some of my hatred right be because I always disliked the Josh/Donna pairing. I preferred Josh with Amy or Joey.

[Danny Franks]

I really liked the whole West Wing cast except for Donna. I was fine with her being an annoying side character, but when she got her own storylines I really became irritated with her. I forgot what they said her educational background was, but she ended up the first lady's chief of staff. Seriously? That would be like watching Bonnie, Ginger, Carol, or Margaret as the first lady's chief of staff. Though, I would have rather watched that. Some of my hatred right be because I always disliked the Josh/Donna pairing. I preferred Josh with Amy or Joey.

 

I preferred Josh just as a political animal. The shoehorned romance never worked in the West Wing, and especially not with Josh's character, who was borderline unbearable a lot of the time, and was just worse whenever he was involved with a woman. I'm glad I stopped watching the show before they went any further with Josh/Donna than the occasional subtext-laden moment. I actually felt like Josh being pushed to the front of the show was more about Bradley Whitford being buddies with Aaron Sorkin, than about his actual value as a character.

[kiddo82]

I don't care what people, famous or otherwise, are tweeting about my favorite shows or sporting events. I'm talking specifically about ESPN (they currently have an article on their website about what celebrities were tweeting about Steph Curry during the basketball game last night. That's some in depth journalism right there.) but to bring it more back to topic shows like Danncing With the Stars and certain reruns of Pretty Little Liars will have a scroll of fan tweets on the bottom of the screen. (I'm sure there's more but these are the ones I've noticed) It's distracting and adds nothing to my enjoyment. If I cared what these people had to say, I'd follow them myself.

[ganesh]

I got locked into Farscape mid way through the first season. The final four episodes of S1 blew me away. If you're not on board by then, the S2 episode "The Way We Weren't" typically locks everyone into the show. 

[Chaos Theory]

I got locked into Farscape mid way through the first season. The final four episodes of S1 blew me away. If you're not on board by then, the S2 episode "The Way We Weren't" typically locks everyone into the show.

I am a big sci-fi person and Farscape bored the crap out of me.

[ByTor]

Same here.  It's also the same with me for the shows in general. I'll think "that was a great episode!" and get to the forums and almost everyone is talking about how much it sucked.  Oh well......

Reminds me of a show I watched where I thought "I really like this!" with the forums saying otherwise...that show being Under the Dome :)

 

In regards to good/bad acting:  I give kids a huge break.

 Yeah, for example I've seen a lot of complaints about Lily from Modern Family being such a terrible actress...personally I think she's really good considering how young she is.

 

I am working my way through Better Call Saul, and my unpopular opinion is that I am fascinated by Chuck, Chuck's story, and Jimmy and Chuck's relationship. I think this is a UO because there is a lot of "Chuck is boring" on the forums I've read.

I've seen mixed opinions of Chuck.  What fascinated me most was Michael McKean's acting.  I've never seen him in a dramatic role & I'm struck by how good he is.

Edited June 15, 2015 by ByTor

[DeLurker]

I agree bad acting is somewhat in the eye of the beholder,  and shirtlessness or someone extremely attractive can distract from bad acting.

 

Bad acting is like porn - I can't tell you what it is, but I know it when I see it.

  That's one reason I can appreciate streaming technology - it gives me access to different kinds of shows, past and present, and I can watch several episodes to get a feel for the story.  I'll even concede that, at times, watching a show and NOT following online discussion enables me to enjoy the show for what it is.  

I like streaming for older shows because going in I know what the criticisms were.  Somehow, they don't bug me.  I watched Lost that way and Firefly recently.

[ganesh]

I was originally saying, when you get all the piling on "They're so *obviously* a bad actor," no one really knows what they're talking about. The original example was that JP isn't really a bad actor and "brought every scene on Mad Men down that she was in." She played a particular character who wasn't that likable and wasn't supposed to be. 

[Chaos Theory]

Playing unlikealble characters is hard. Sometimes people translate unlikeable character into bad actor. I'm strange though. I like a good unlikeable character.

Edited June 15, 2015 by Chaos Theory

[DittyDotDot]

Playing unlikealble characters is hard. Sometimes people translate unlikeable character into bad actor. I'm strange though. I like a good unlikeable character.

 

Me too! Shows would be boring if every character was likeable, IMO.

[Danny Franks]

I am a big sci-fi person and Farscape bored the crap out of me.

 

I'm a big sci-fi person, and I have always found Star Trek to bore the crap out of me. Every iteration of it just felt sterile, staid, static and lacking in anything approaching dynamism and energy. For me, it's the absolute worst of sci-fi, and the fact that it makes up so much of what people assume standard sci-fi to be is depressing to me.

 

Farscape was the antithesis to Star Trek in almost every way possible (many of them deliberate). I remember Ben Browder talking on one of the DVD commentaries about how they made sure that they were very tactile with one another, and with the puppets, because it was always glaring how the characters on Star Trek almost never touched one another, never seemed to share simple human contact and companionship.

 

So I guess that's another unpopular opinion of mine: Star Trek belongs in the television dustbin. Sci-fi, and television in general, has moved way beyond what that show ever was or could be.

[FormerMod-a1]

I am a big sci-fi person and Farscape bored the crap out of me.

 

I'm a big sci-fi person, and I have always found Star Trek to bore the crap out of me. 

 

I'm a big sci-fi person and Firefly bored the crap out of me.

[ganesh]

I think there's a place for Star Trek. Some of TOS and TNG did have some good stories. It was originally meant to be allegorical and there's nothing wrong with that. There is still a place for it. The current movie franchise isn't Star Trek, and I'm not a super fan by any means. It's just a typical action pg13 movie with known property. 

 

Babylon 5 is probably a more apt comparison to Star Trek than Farscape since Farscape largely took place way way way far away from Earth, while the other shows always intended to have Earth around. The actual 'work' of B5 was much much much more thought out than ST. Uniforms had pockets! How the space station worked was clearly thought out in terms of current engineering. Not that the show centered on stuff like that. The politics made more sense on B5, actual fighting. I believe they worked with real NASA engineers to design the Starfury. I mean, I don't need to know how exactly everything works, but there's got to be evidence of some structure there. Even the advanced alien technology had some thought behind it. 

 

I think you could make a fairly relevant Star Trek show today. Their problem, however, was going back instead of going forward, imo. 

[spaceytraci1208]

Playing unlikealble characters is hard. Sometimes people translate unlikeable character into bad actor. I'm strange though. I like a good unlikeable character.

Agreed! Hence my love for Oz

[ribboninthesky1]

Bad acting is like porn - I can't tell you what it is, but I know it when I see it.

 

Ha! I like the analogy.  Seems to ring true. 

 

 

I like streaming for older shows because going in I know what the criticisms were.  Somehow, they don't bug me.  I watched Lost that way and Firefly recently.

 

I see your point.  I was referring to shows that are usually still on air.  For example, a few months back, I watched the first 3 seasons of Grimm via Amazon Prime.  I thought David Guintoli didn't bring much of anything to the role, and didn't care much for Nick.  I peeked into the forum later on, and apparently the character was well-loved while his girlfriend Juliette was mostly hated. Mind you, I didn't think much of Bitsie Tulloch's performance, either, but she wasn't any worse than Guintoli.

 

But then, I don't often read as much criticism of a man's performance compared to women's. I suspect women are expected to be able to convey a "full range of emotion" while men are often given a pass for being more reticent. I think both can be challenging to play, especially if it's the opposite of your natural disposition.      

[GHScorpiosRule]

Playing unlikealble characters is hard. Sometimes people translate unlikeable character into bad actor. I'm strange though. I like a good unlikeable character.

 

 

I have nothing against liking unlikable characters--if they're played with layers.  I'm going to reallllly date myself, but the first unlikable character I loved, and hated, and loved to hate, was one JR Ewing, played by the awesome Larry Hagman.

 

But in recent shows? I find I can't like anyone. Because I'm supposed to like them more than the good guys. Or at least, that's the narrative. (Is that the right word?). Gimme the good guys; I have no problem not liking today's bunch of bad guys.

[ToxicUnicorn]

Farscape was the antithesis to Star Trek in almost every way possible (many of them deliberate). I remember Ben Browder talking on one of the DVD commentaries about how they made sure that they were very tactile with one another, and with the puppets, because it was always glaring how the characters on Star Trek almost never touched one another, never seemed to share simple human contact and companionship.

I think you could make a fairly relevant Star Trek show today. Their problem, however, was going back instead of going forward, imo.

 

 

I'm watching Farscape now, after a few false starts.  It seems fairly timeless to me.  I like the news that all the touching (and invading personal space) on Farscape was a deliberate counterpoint to Star Trek.  It's true - it makes it feel like an entirely different show.

 

An even bigger difference from the personal relationships is the dialogue.  Farscape characters sound reasonably natural.  ST:TNG was always stilted and often pollyanna-ish and preachy.  (Not that I didn't love Picard - I could listen to him say anything, but still, it was a flaw of the show.)

[ganesh]

We also don't view Farscape from their military pov, which is basically what ST is. They start the show by introducing us to the criminals. So there's some leeway with what you can do there.

 

I mean, I'd choose Farscape every time. The aliens are truly *alien*. Even the Sebeaceans, who are human basically are still kind of alien. "You killed my brother with that white death pod of yours!" *snort* Plus, all the leather. 

 

 

Game of Thrones is over and I am over it. I'll watch it when it comes back on, but I didn't spend more than 15 seconds reflecting over the finale. And I certainly have zero interest in the 1 million articles "explaining" to me what happened on the show I just actually watched thank you. 

[PrincessEnnui]

Family Guy. Its funnier doing clean bits and surreal humor than pot shots, gross out humor, or cringe comedy. Case in point:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx0KSqKOzUE

 

 

Why they decided that Pyrrhic comedy was the ticket, I don't know.  

[Chaos Theory]

Its weird I don't like Family Guy mainly because of the Dog.  I can deal with nudity,  violence, and crass language but talking animals who have sex with humans......not so much.  It grosses me out.    I have the same problem with BoJack Horseman.  Hey don't judge we all have our limits.  That is mine.  

[Enigma X]

Its weird I don't like Family Guy mainly because of the Dog.  I can deal with nudity,  violence, and crass language but talking animals who have sex with humans......not so much.  It grosses me out.    I have the same problem with BoJack Horseman.  Hey don't judge we all have our limits.  That is mine.  

I actually find many episodes of Family Guy funny but find just as many unfunny My main nitpick is Brian, the dog, having sex with humans. I have a twisted humor but can't wrap my head around that. Other than that, he is the most unlikable character on the show.

[SmithW6079]

Plus he had a human child! The bestilaity turned me off too.

[Danny Franks]

I'm watching Farscape now, after a few false starts.  It seems fairly timeless to me.  I like the news that all the touching (and invading personal space) on Farscape was a deliberate counterpoint to Star Trek.  It's true - it makes it feel like an entirely different show.

 

An even bigger difference from the personal relationships is the dialogue.  Farscape characters sound reasonably natural.  ST:TNG was always stilted and often pollyanna-ish and preachy.  (Not that I didn't love Picard - I could listen to him say anything, but still, it was a flaw of the show.)

 

I think the clearest point at which I'd say Farscape found its feet was the introduction of Chiana. Not only because she provided a cool, sexy energy and fresh antagonism, but also because I just feel like the writers and the actors had figured the show out, by then. Of course Scorpius was introduced a couple of episodes later, which boosted them further.

 

I think Star Trek is just too mannered and restrained, in everything it does. Writing, acting, directing, all feel like they're being dredged from a past age of television where cameras couldn't move. It doesn't seem to matter what iteration of the show it is (although, funnily enough, the original series is probably the most dynamic and exciting), there's just this cold sterility to it all. Sometimes the only way I could tell the Vulcans from the humans was the ear shape.

 

The military aspect of Star Trek is an interesting point, and I can see how the coolness a regimented rank system comes across. But honestly, I think it's more because the show was never really about people, but more about the grand ideas of space travel and exploration, and Gene Roddenberry's dream of humanity united. Like, what was the difference between Riker and Chakotay, when it came down to it? One had a beard and the other a tattoo? We've seen military SF done in far grimier style, with Battlestar Galactica. Another show that made Star Trek look very badly dated.

[PrincessEnnui]

I actually find many episodes of Family Guy funny but find just as many unfunny My main nitpick is Brian, the dog, having sex with humans. I have a twisted humor but can't wrap my head around that. Other than that, he is the most unlikable character on the show.

 

This is one of the things I meant by Pyrrhic comedy. Several years ago, when I was active on another board, people were posting about how much they disliked the Brian/human pairings and the next new episode of FG had Brian pointedly mentioning getting a condom while making out with Jillian. I also remember them brutally killing off the unpopular vaudeville duo with Stewie saying to the audience, "They're dead, alright! Dead! They're not coming back!" Then one of the duo made at least one other appearance after his supposed death.

 

I've never seen a show go out of its way to antagonize their fans. Especially one that was saved from cancellation by its fans.

Edited June 16, 2015 by PrincessEnnui

[Anna Yolei]

When it comes to bad acting no one, and I mean NO ONE, holds a candle to Charity Rahmer.

No one.

Oh, GOD! She lasted a whole 16 days before being recast. Ronn Moss from the Bold and the Beautiful has long been the low bar to which all terrible, hammy soap performances are compared to--for good reason--but compared to her, he may as well be Patrick Stewart performing Shakespeare.

It does beg the question: who the hell did she sleep with to book that job as Belle Brady?! No casting director who wasn't high off his ass could have thought she was any good.

Edited June 16, 2015 by Anna Yolei

[memememe76]

Playing unlikealble characters is hard. Sometimes people translate unlikeable character into bad actor. I'm strange though. I like a good unlikeable character.

 

I think playing the unlikeable character who gets to say the funny, quirky, snarky quips is pretty darn easy these days. The tougher role is the unlikeable character who's written in a serious, non-humourous manner. Basically, anyone who has to be the "wet blanket" of the show. I'm thinking Maid Marion on "Once Upon a Time" or Ana Lucia on "Lost" or Vanessa on "Gossip Girl".

[Rick Kitchen]

Cynthia Sullivan was hired on All My Children to play a lookalike for Jenny after Jenny was killed off.  She was brought on as a potential love interest for Greg because of the resemblance, but she was soooo bad they had to cut her early.

[DeLurker]

Wow!  That's a trip in the Wabac Machine!

 

While Cynthia Sullivan's face did look a lot like Kim Delaney (who is always referred to as Dead Jenny in my head), I believe her body was a bit bigger than Kim Delaney's though which stood out especially next to Gregg (Laurence Lau).  He's 5' 10" and was very slender back in the AMC run.  Cynthis wasn't large I don't think, but Kim Delaney and Laurence Lau both were on the petite side.

 

I could never tell if Cynthia Sullican's acting was bad, but she just did not "fit".  Gregg and Jenny were the big deal young couple back then and their little group of Gregg, Jenny, Jesse and Angie I think really worked together well.  She did not last very long anyway.

[LydiaMoon1]

When it comes to bad acting no one, and I mean NO ONE, holds a candle to Charity Rahmer.

No one.

 

 

Oh, GOD! She lasted a whole 16 days before being recast. Ronn Moss from the Bold and the Beautiful has long been the low bar to which all terrible, hammy soap performances are compared to--for good reason--but compared to her, he may as well be Patrick Stewart performing Shakespeare.

It does beg the question: who the hell did she sleep with to book that job as Belle Brady?! No casting director who wasn't high off his ass could have thought she was any good.

THANK YOU!  I have seen many a bad actor over the years, but NO ONE could hold a candle to this chick.  She literally was...The..Worst.  Looking back on it though, I wish Days had kept her around longer.  She made that soap appointment TV. I wasn't about to miss that that trainwreck.  She gave me some of the best laughs of my TV-viewing life. Come to think of it, now that I know her name I'm going to Youtube to watch some clips.

 

ETA: Unfortunately, it appears that the best videos of Charity Rahmer's "acting" have been pulled (http://daytimeconfidential.com/2009/06/14/the-best-of-charity-rahmer). That makes me sad.  Comedy gold like that should be allowed to live forever.

Edited June 16, 2015 by LydiaMoon1

[proserpina65]

I'm a big SF/Fantasy fan, and I vastly prefer the original Battlestar Galatica to the reboot.  And by that I mean I loved the original, which was fun and occasionally thought provoking, and hated the reboot which was too dark and nihilistic for me.  Plus, Dirk Benedict!

 

Yeah, I said it.

[Neurochick]

Game of Thrones is over and I am over it. I'll watch it when it comes back on, but I didn't spend more than 15 seconds reflecting over the finale. And I certainly have zero interest in the 1 million articles "explaining" to me what happened on the show I just actually watched thank you.

 

 

I'm with you there.  

 

As for SF, I liked Star Trek:TOS when it was on and I think it did work for the time it was made.  I also like the original Battlestar Galactica.  The reboot was okay until

Dee blew her brains out

, and after that, I really didn't care what happened next, oh and the ending sucked too.  

Edited June 16, 2015 by Neurochick

[DittyDotDot]

I guess I'm the odd duck here; I liked Star Trek and Farscape, for different reasons. I also liked both the original and the reboot of Battlestar Galactica, again, for different reasons. I guess I just don't think Sci Fi has to be only one thing. And while I don't love Defiance, I do like things about it.

[UYI]

Oh, GOD! She lasted a whole 16 days before being recast. Ronn Moss from the Bold and the Beautiful has long been the low bar to which all terrible, hammy soap performances are compared to--for good reason--but compared to her, he may as well be Patrick Stewart performing Shakespeare.

It does beg the question: who the hell did she sleep with to book that job as Belle Brady?! No casting director who wasn't high off his ass could have thought she was any good.

 

It has since been speculated that DAYS recast a bad actress like CR on purpose in order to make it easier for the audience to accept Martha Madison after the departure of Kirsten Storms. In other words, a better actress like MM would have had an easier being accepted by the audience as Belle after someone as disastrous as CR had taken over for fan favorite KSt. 

 

It's a funny story, but it still sounds like something pulled directly out of someone's ass. That sounds like a colossal waste of time and money to bring on a deliberately bad actress in order to make replacing the original with a better one easier. But hey, it's DAYS. They're capable of almost anything.

 

I really wish that clip of CR as Belle where she's looking for Shawn in that cage he was held in by Jan was still on YouTube. It was the best example of what a crap actress she really was. There are a few other scenes of her available, though, like this one:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywi1mHp43Wk

 

Topic? I often only like watching TV shows after they have already completed their run. It's probably why I've always liked older sitcoms from the 50's-90's, stuff that would be on Nick at Nite or TV Land. 

Edited June 16, 2015 by UYI

[FormerMod-a1]

I guess I'm the odd duck here; I liked Star Trek and Farscape, for different reasons. I also liked both the original and the reboot of Battlestar Galactica, again, for different reasons. I guess I just don't think Sci Fi has to be only one thing. And while I don't love Defiance, I do like things about it.

 

Oh I liked Star Trek, Farscape and Battlestar Galactica (and Babylon 5 and Stargate, etc).  I just didn't like Firefly.  My previous post was just fun quoting all the others to make a list of "I like all sci-fi except.." but I only said I didn't like Firefly.

[LydiaMoon1]

I really wish that clip of CR as Belle where she's looking for Shawn in that cage he was held in by Jan was still on YouTube. It was the best example of what a crap actress she really was. There are a few other scenes of her available, though, like this one:

Yes, that "looking for Shawn in the cage scene" is exactly the scene I was looking for. CR was so bad in that scene that she made the actress who played Jan Spears (who was really good, in my opinion, because she actually made that ridiculous storyline work) come completely out of character and give her this look that was so full of WTF that, to this day, I can't remember it without cracking up.

Edited June 16, 2015 by LydiaMoon1

[kathyk24]

My UO is that I like David Guintoli and have since the start of Grimm. I like the "boring" normal characters and have a low tolerance for the quirky sidekick especially when they need the hero to bail them out of trouble that they caused. See Sock from Reaper and Kenzi from Lost Girl as examples. I can't stand actors who chew scenery and call it acting especially John Noble.

[Haleth]

My UO is that I HATE the new format for SYTYCD with half the contestants being street dancers.  I would much rather see kids who have spent their lives in dance studios compete than a bunch of kids who roll around on the sidewalk.  I can only take street performances in small doses.  If the show doesn't have the street kids performing outside their genres once the teams are set, I'm afraid I'll be out.

[proserpina65]

I can't stand actors who chew scenery and call it acting especially John Noble.

 

I cringe whenever a show announces that they're adding John Noble to the cast.  I really don't like watching his scenery chewing.

 

{Edited because "case" and "cast" are two entirely different things.  Wish I could blame it on autocorrect.}

Edited June 17, 2015 by proserpina65

[Madding crowd]

My unpopular opinion is about the show The Middle. I don't think Axl is a horrible person, nor do I think Sue Heck is a saint. I also don't understand reading things that something bad should happen to Axl because he teases his sister or acts lazy. Like all sitcom characters, Axl, Sue and Brick are exaggerated versions of typical teens. Axl also ends up helping out, doing what his parents and sister wants even though he complains about it.

I'm not sure I would watch a sitcom about a teenage boy (I know Axl is now 21), who just goes around doing his chores and his sisters bidding without complaint. Also, Sue is pretty average and I Iike that about her character. I've never found her to be overly intelligent, overly competent or anything other than average, like the rest of her family.

Edited June 17, 2015 by Madding crowd

[mansonlamps]

The Sue Heck fandom has very nearly caused me to stop reading the Middle message boards. She's a great character and Eden Sher is great in the part, but the extreme worship makes no sense to me.

[Bastet]

I like Modern Family's Claire.  (I like Phil, too, and think they're a nice match.)  I think her flaws make sense given her experiences, and are nicely balanced by her strengths.  There's an incident in which she is right about how something happened, and Phil - who didn't see it - refuses to accept that scenario, saying they'll "just have to agree to disagree."  She says no, because she's right.  I feel her in that moment, because I loathe "agree to disagree" in situations like that.  Agree not to argue about it, sure.  But agree to classify something as a legitimate difference of opinion when I know I'm stating fact and the other person isn't, no.

 

(I only watch the show in syndication - which means I've seen the same 50 episodes over and over - so I'm sure they all become increasingly one-note, and thus quicker to annoy, as the seasons wear on.)

[ByTor]

The Sue Heck fandom has very nearly caused me to stop reading the Middle message boards. She's a great character and Eden Sher is great in the part, but the extreme worship makes no sense to me.

My unpopular opinion has to do with Sue getting wins. I very often see on the boards how nice it is that Sue finally got a win.  However, that gets said so much that I've come to think  Sue basically always gets a win, it's just that how she gets her wins are a bit different.  Her pattern: Sue sets out to achieve something (Sue screeches in excitement)/something goes wrong (Sue screeches in disappointment)/the thing that goes wrong turns around, most often by accident/Sue gets her way (once again screeching in excitement).  I do give ES credit, I'm sure she's playing Sue exactly how she's supposed to, but I'm finding that the screeching is getting more over the top as time goes on.

 

 

But agree to classify something as a legitimate difference of opinion when I know I'm stating fact and the other person isn't, no.

Sounds like an argument my ex husband used to have with me, he'd say his opinion is an opinion and can never be wrong, so if his opinion is that grass is pink, he's not wrong. Huh?

[Julia]

Sounds like an argument my ex husband used to have with me, he'd say his opinion is an opinion and can never be wrong, so if his opinion is that grass is pink, he's not wrong. Huh?

 

Sounds like he has a real talent for being an ex husband.

[meep.meep]

Sounds like an argument my ex husband used to have with me, he'd say his opinion is an opinion and can never be wrong, so if his opinion is that grass is pink, he's not wrong. Huh?

Oh those ex husbands - they're great for stories.

 

On one of the early Big Bang Theory episodes, Sheldon and Stewart, the comic book store owner have a discussion about right and wrong.  Stewart has said something is very wrong.  Sheldon says there's only right or wrong.   Stewart says;  "If I say a tomato is a vegetable, I'm wrong.  If I say it's a suspension bridge, I'm very very wrong."

[Chaos Theory]

The problem I have with comedies is they all seem to brecome one note after awhile. Eventually the long running ones takes a characters major determining trait and exadurate it to the extreme. Some shows autocorrect and soften exadurated characters mot don't. Dramas are a little better or at least I don't notice it as much.

[Princess Sparkle]

I feel like I might have to hide after that I say this, but: my SNL UO is that I legitimately like both Colin Jost and Michael Che behind the update desk.  I think they've worked out the kinks and are gelling together, and I don't see the "animosity" between the two that some seem to see.  I actually see two guys that crack each other up, and feel comfortable around each other to rib each other over bad jokes.

[Sandman87]

The problem I have with comedies is they all seem to brecome one note after awhile. Eventually the long running ones takes a characters major determining trait and exadurate it to the extreme. Some shows autocorrect and soften exadurated characters mot don't. Dramas are a little better or at least I don't notice it as much.

TVTropes has a page all about characteristics that become exaggerated and take over a character:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flanderization