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1 minute ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

I absolutely believe that Michelle doesn't give a hoot about her daughters, or any other girls or women.   She will never stop defending her predator son.   It makes me wonder how much else that's gone on, and was never announced.  

I really do try to put myself in her shoes. As a mother, I would have been horrified to find out my 14 year old son was touching his sisters. I absolutely would have sought out all the counseling and help in the world - for all of the children.  But, I would not have cast Josh off. He's my son. I would have tried to help him and to be very vulneralby honest I am not sure if police would have been my very first thought either. Maybe... I just don't know.

In in the context of HER world, with JB and Gothard literally controlling absolutely everything about that world, I think Michelle thought at the time that she was helping. He shaved his head, manual labor, forced to be mute, locks on doors, christian counseling for all of them... In her world, that meant she was helping.

Then she sees her adult son viewing pornagraphy and cheating (I would not understand but lets be honest with the world we live in)... As a mother, I'd feel awful and I'd question where I went wrong. What should we have done?  But he's an adult and technically not breaking the law. 

Now? Gutted. Absolutely gutted to see what he's been doing all along. To know how just depraved and ill his mind must be. To understand now the gravity of these last 20 years in this new context must be incredibly difficult for not just Michelle but his sisters too. I don't think they knew.

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From stories I've read, it seems like a lot of parents don't handle sexual abuse well, especially when both victim and offender are their children. Boob and Michelle aren't unique in that aspect. My main criticism is they've continued to treat Josh with kid gloves since then. Jesus Jail instead of real rehab, financially supporting his family, bailing him out of the Ashley Madison scandal, hiring an extremely high-priced attorney for the CP case, asking people who are casual acquaintances at best to act as Josh's foster parents, etc. 

I don't know if it's guilt, denial, self-preservation or what, but their devotion to Josh at the expense of everyone else is insane 

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22 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

I really do try to put myself in her shoes. As a mother, I would have been horrified to find out my 14 year old son was touching his sisters. I absolutely would have sought out all the counseling and help in the world - for all of the children.  But, I would not have cast Josh off. He's my son. I would have tried to help him and to be very vulneralby honest I am not sure if police would have been my very first thought either. Maybe... I just don't know.

In in the context of HER world, with JB and Gothard literally controlling absolutely everything about that world, I think Michelle thought at the time that she was helping. He shaved his head, manual labor, forced to be mute, locks on doors, christian counseling for all of them... In her world, that meant she was helping.

Then she sees her adult son viewing pornagraphy and cheating (I would not understand but lets be honest with the world we live in)... As a mother, I'd feel awful and I'd question where I went wrong. What should we have done?  But he's an adult and technically not breaking the law. 

Now? Gutted. Absolutely gutted to see what he's been doing all along. To know how just depraved and ill his mind must be. To understand now the gravity of these last 20 years in this new context must be incredibly difficult for not just Michelle but his sisters too. I don't think they knew.

All the kids including Josh needed real help and therapy. The therapist would have had to report the abuse to CPS, so it wouldn’t have been Michelle‘a decision. That’s absolutely what should have happened.

22 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

I really do try to put myself in her shoes. As a mother, I would have been horrified to find out my 14 year old son was touching his sisters. I absolutely would have sought out all the counseling and help in the world - for all of the children.  But, I would not have cast Josh off. He's my son. I would have tried to help him and to be very vulneralby honest I am not sure if police would have been my very first thought either. Maybe... I just don't know.

In in the context of HER world, with JB and Gothard literally controlling absolutely everything about that world, I think Michelle thought at the time that she was helping. He shaved his head, manual labor, forced to be mute, locks on doors, christian counseling for all of them... In her world, that meant she was helping.

Then she sees her adult son viewing pornagraphy and cheating (I would not understand but lets be honest with the world we live in)... As a mother, I'd feel awful and I'd question where I went wrong. What should we have done?  But he's an adult and technically not breaking the law. 

Now? Gutted. Absolutely gutted to see what he's been doing all along. To know how just depraved and ill his mind must be. To understand now the gravity of these last 20 years in this new context must be incredibly difficult for not just Michelle but his sisters too. I don't think they knew.

What “Christian counseling” did any of the kids get??!

22 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

I really do try to put myself in her shoes. As a mother, I would have been horrified to find out my 14 year old son was touching his sisters. I absolutely would have sought out all the counseling and help in the world - for all of the children.  But, I would not have cast Josh off. He's my son. I would have tried to help him and to be very vulneralby honest I am not sure if police would have been my very first thought either. Maybe... I just don't know.

In in the context of HER world, with JB and Gothard literally controlling absolutely everything about that world, I think Michelle thought at the time that she was helping. He shaved his head, manual labor, forced to be mute, locks on doors, christian counseling for all of them... In her world, that meant she was helping.

Then she sees her adult son viewing pornagraphy and cheating (I would not understand but lets be honest with the world we live in)... As a mother, I'd feel awful and I'd question where I went wrong. What should we have done?  But he's an adult and technically not breaking the law. 

Now? Gutted. Absolutely gutted to see what he's been doing all along. To know how just depraved and ill his mind must be. To understand now the gravity of these last 20 years in this new context must be incredibly difficult for not just Michelle but his sisters too. I don't think they knew.

There is nothing wrong with pornography between consenting adults. It’s legal and I think most people have looked at/watched it at some point. The cheating was unfortunate, but also not illegal and should have been between Josh and Anna only to work out. Michelle wasn’t responsible for either of those. Nor should she have felt responsible for them, imo.

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3 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

There is nothing wrong with pornography between consenting adults. It’s legal and I think most people have looked at/watched it at some point. 

I agree however Anna wasn't in agreement nor would she have approved of the cheating.

 

4 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

What “Christian counseling” did any of the kids get??!

24 minutes ago, Tuxcat said:

The girls said they received counseling. I wasn't there obviously and thankfully 🤣

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1 minute ago, Tuxcat said:

I agree however Anna wasn't in agreement nor would she have approved of the cheating.

 

The girls said they received counseling. I wasn't there obviously and thankfully 🤣

Any licensed therapist would have been obligated to report child abuse to CPS. I don’t believe they got any real counseling. They all needed it, including Josh. Or especially Josh!

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1 minute ago, Cinnabon said:

Any licensed therapist would have been obligated to report child abuse to CPS. I don’t believe they got any real counseling. They all needed it, including Josh. Or especially Josh!

LOL I agree. I doubt they were licensed. Counseling in the terms of "christian counseling" can refer to a person being counseled by church leaders/elders - it doesn't have to mean professional counseling. I can go right now and get counseled by a priest.  For Michelle, she likely doesn't see a difference.

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1 hour ago, emmawoodhouse said:

Have we ever seen that wizened raisin cry? Maybe when they left Joshley in DC? 

 

Maybe we’ll see her cry when her favorite yet reprobate son’s ass is hauled to prison, where he belongs for decades. I do know he won’t spent the time he deserves to be incarcerated.

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1 hour ago, Tuxcat said:

I really do try to put myself in her shoes. As a mother, I would have been horrified to find out my 14 year old son was touching his sisters. I absolutely would have sought out all the counseling and help in the world - for all of the children.  But, I would not have cast Josh off. He's my son. I would have tried to help him and to be very vulneralby honest I am not sure if police would have been my very first thought either. Maybe... I just don't know.

In in the context of HER world, with JB and Gothard literally controlling absolutely everything about that world, I think Michelle thought at the time that she was helping. He shaved his head, manual labor, forced to be mute, locks on doors, christian counseling for all of them... In her world, that meant she was helping.

Then she sees her adult son viewing pornagraphy and cheating (I would not understand but lets be honest with the world we live in)... As a mother, I'd feel awful and I'd question where I went wrong. What should we have done?  But he's an adult and technically not breaking the law. 

Now? Gutted. Absolutely gutted to see what he's been doing all along. To know how just depraved and ill his mind must be. To understand now the gravity of these last 20 years in this new context must be incredibly difficult for not just Michelle but his sisters too. I don't think they knew.

I keep imagining Michelle taking to her bed and (if she knows that child sexual abuse is involved) being doped up to the gills on Valium/Xanax/etc. to keep from completely losing her mind.  Or maybe I’m just imagining that, because that’s what I would do if he were my son.

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3 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

I keep imagining Michelle taking to her bed and (if she knows that child sexual abuse is involved) being doped up to the gills on Valium/Xanax/etc. to keep from completely losing her mind.  Or maybe I’m just imagining that, because that’s what I would do if he were my son.

Same.  I mean I know she is nuts - like deeply nuts - but she's not completely evil.  I wouldn't wish what is happening to this family on anyone.

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I wouldn't wish this scenario on anyone, but I have a hard time feeling sorry for Michelle. She's the one who chose to do robocalls claiming that allowing trans folks in bathrooms would endanger children while ignoring the rich hypocrisy of that statement given what she knew and hid about her own family. She actively chose to do that and she actively chose to go on national TV and lie about what happened about the molestations to make Josh look better. 

I think Josh is ultimately responsible for his own actions, but she is not an innocent bystander. I sort of lump her in the same category with Anna, who also chose to go out of her way to defend Josh on social media for all of these years despite knowing what she knew. She didn't have to do that, but she did. 

And until either of them actively renounce the fact they have been apologists for him and until they have been as vocal in that as they have been in defending him and making excuses for him, I'm not inclined to think they truly accept he is at fault. 

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3 minutes ago, Zella said:

until either of them actively renounce the fact they have been apologists for him and until they have been as vocal in that as they have been in defending him and making excuses for him, I'm not inclined to think they truly accept he is at fault

My guess is that they will never do this, not because they are apologists for him, but because they truly believe Satan exists and Satan was behind Josh's actions.

I don't know how many mainstream Christians actively believe in Satan and that Satan is behind the sins people commit. I know I sure didn't when I was involved in my (Anglican) church growing up and as a young adult. God was good, and people did awful things because they were awful people. Free will, y'all.

But fundamentalist Christians truly believe in the Devil, and that he actively acts in people's lives.

So I don't think we'll see JB, Michelle or even Anna condemning Josh. His actions possibly, but I think they will honestly believe that Satan has taken hold of Josh.

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4 minutes ago, Pingaponga said:

My guess is that they will never do this, not because they are apologists for him, but because they truly believe Satan exists and Satan was behind Josh's actions.

I don't know how many mainstream Christians actively believe in Satan and that Satan is behind the sins people commit. I know I sure didn't when I was involved in my (Anglican) church growing up and as a young adult. God was good, and people did awful things because they were awful people. Free will, y'all.

But fundamentalist Christians truly believe in the Devil, and that he actively acts in people's lives.

So I don't think we'll see JB, Michelle or even Anna condemning Josh. His actions possibly, but I think they will honestly believe that Satan has taken hold of Josh.

I'm sure that is true for them, but I also know a fair number of people who believe Satan is real who would still not defend and protect Josh. I think he is the golden boy of the family, their prince that was promised, and that is what it all really boils down to. The other kids are expendable compared to him, despite him repeatedly proving he is not worthy of that. 

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Jim Bob and Michelle need to banish Josh from the family. He poses a grave danger to them all.

He has a deep seated sexual problem that he obviously can't control. I don't know if he's a pedophile, a sex addict, a porn addict, or all of the above.

The path that Josh is on is very dark and dangerous. The family has already suffered public humiliation, molestation, and financial loss due to Josh's problems.

Jim Bob and Michelle need to cut him loose in order to protect themselves and the rest of the family, especially Anna and her children.

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4 minutes ago, Libby said:

Jim Bob and Michelle need to banish Josh from the family. He poses a grave danger to them all.

He has a deep seated sexual problem that he obviously can't control. I don't know if he's a pedophile, a sex addict, a porn addict, or all of the above.

The path that Josh is on is very dark and dangerous. The family has already suffered public humiliation, molestation, and financial loss due to Josh's problems.

Jim Bob and Michelle need to cut him loose in order to protect themselves and the rest of the family, especially Anna and her children.

That will never, ever happen, although I agree with you.  There’s no way to fix what’s wrong with Smuggar.

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They have been breeding this army of Christians for years, their entire family, their church, their friends etc have supposedly prayed for Josh since he was 14 to protect the chosen one from Satan's attacks.

So what are they thinking about all those years of prayers. Surely their god heard them because they are the right Christians. Are their prayers too weak, are they asking for the wrong thing or did God just shrug and let it go with I gave y'all free will, actions have consequences...

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1 minute ago, crazy8s said:

They have been breeding this army of Christians for years, their entire family, their church, their friends etc have supposedly prayed for Josh since he was 14 to protect the chosen one from Satan's attacks.

So what are they thinking about all those years of prayers. Surely their god heard them because they are the right Christians. Are their prayers too weak, are they asking for the wrong thing or did God just shrug and let it go with I gave y'all free will, actions have consequences...

It's Satan, of course. Always Satan. Let in because of too much interaction with the godless, or some similarly asinine reason. There's absolutely nothing that can happen that will make them rethink their beliefs. There's always an excuse they can use to justify doing the same thing over and over again.

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Jinger posted a mothers day message to Michelle and to Jeremy's mom.

 

 

3 hours ago, JoanArc said:

I hope Jill drops enough shade to fix global warming.

9 hours ago, Chicklet said:

If Josh were gay they would disown him faster than the speed of sound all while loving the sinner and hating the sin of course. From a very big distance.

I'd like to take this moment to remind people that newly sainted Jill and Derick stated that homosexuality was a sin a few months ago. Just saying... 

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JereME's post.  🥴

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22 hours ago, lascuba said:

It's Satan, of course. Always Satan. Let in because of too much interaction with the godless, or some similarly asinine reason. There's absolutely nothing that can happen that will make them rethink their beliefs. There's always an excuse they can use to justify doing the same thing over and over again.

Or, Satan keeps attacking them because they are TOO righteous. Would be a waste of Satan’s time to attack someone who was not so fervent for the Lort.

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13 hours ago, Tuxcat said:

Jinger posted a mothers day message to Michelle and to Jeremy's mom.

 

 

I'd like to take this moment to remind people that newly sainted Jill and Derick stated that homosexuality was a sin a few months ago. Just saying... 

Oh but they said they would be nice to LGBTQ+ people if they were invited into their homes.  SUCH an improvement over the rest of the Duggars!

Tikichick

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Even if I could get over the hurdle of accepting Michelle's willingness to continue birthing ever more children for the Lord that she handed off to her daughters to raise, I cannot accept the idea she stood behind the idea her daughters should accept culpability, including publicly, for what Josh did to them.   Nope, that's definitely a bridge too far.    

Any credit, any limelight she gets for the sheer number of children she birthed is dimmed and diminished many times over by her failure to do the actual work of mothering them.   Failing grade.

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Tuxcat

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7 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

I cannot accept the idea she stood behind the idea her daughters should accept culpability, including publicly, for what Josh did to them.   Nope, that's definitely a bridge too far.    

I know that's Gothardism but when did she say they were culpable publicly? Do we know for sure that she accepted that idea?

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Just now, Tuxcat said:

I know that's Gothardism but when did she say they were culpable publicly? Do we know for sure that she accepted that idea?

It's my understanding the girls had to publicly accept culpability when this was all taken in front of their church along with Josh.   If that is accurate Michelle didn't step in and shut that down.   IMO JB & M should have been the ones up there after the second incident, telling their church how they mishandled things after it happened the first time.

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Tuxcat

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16 minutes ago, Tikichick said:

It's my understanding the girls had to publicly accept culpability when this was all taken in front of their church along with Josh.   If that is accurate Michelle didn't step in and shut that down.   IMO JB & M should have been the ones up there after the second incident, telling their church how they mishandled things after it happened the first time.

Oh gotcha. I didn't realize they had to say they were at fault when they were at church.

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4 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Oh I guess I misunderstood. I always thought it was speculation the girls publicly (or privately) were made to say they were at fault. 

I've read that information here several times.   I don't have any way of knowing if it's absolutely true, however in light of the current events and the many explanations of Gothard's position on sexual abuse of children it does fit the (abhorrent) beliefs that the girls were forced to state their responsibilities along with Josh.

 

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2 minutes ago, Zella said:

I wonder if the Duggars had a big family meeting yesterday or this weekend. If so, I can imagine that got awkward fast. 

I was thinking that the TTH probably has a very dark pall over it lately and I really feel for the ones stuck at home with no ability to retreat to their own home and close their doors and attempt to find a means to cope, or even simply some escapism in a movie, a book, a video game, or whatever it is that may let them forget for even a few minutes what's going on.

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2 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

One day do you think that they will have a come to Jesus meeting and wake up that they did everything wrong parenting wise or are their heads so far up their asses that they can never pull them out?

I wish they would ...before the next generation is wrecked.   But I don’t see it happening 

Tikichick

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17 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

I wonder how Blob is handling the situation with Smuggar because he always has to be in control and now he's not in control?

Every time I think about that aspect all that I can see is either that giant donkey maw in a straight line, lips pursed; or just opening to say something and then closing without uttering a word, over and over again.   

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2 hours ago, Caracoa1 said:

I believe Josh is "in the know" of information that could destroy Jim Bob financially and that is why Jim Bob will do everything possible to get Josh off.

I completely agree that Joshie has *something* on JB, and I think this whole situation will get a whole lot worse before it gets better, and unfortunately a lot of lives will be upended. That said, my 12-year old self giggled uncontrollably at the last 4 words of your statement.

*slinking away*

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