Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[Petunia13]

1 hour ago, Peanut6711 said:

Pretty sure Nicole is secretly interning as Julie's replacement, and she's doing quite well in the program. 

You caught that too? 

She’s getting on my nerves. 

For the first time in years Chloe’s not in relationship drama or being harassed by mobsters. She first thing she does is butt into Brady’s relationship w his criminal girlfriend and volunteering to help save Phillip from gangsters. What a Dumb Dumb. 

[Thatoneshow]

22 hours ago, RunningMarket said:

00% Abby cut her off in line at Starbucks. Probably distracted looking at her phone.

Even worse, she probably said 'Good morning' before Gwen had her morning coffee.

22 hours ago, Peanut6711 said:

Plus I want some character, anyone (I'm not picky), to point out how she was once the "Gwen" in Sami and Ej's relationship. Or in other words, the homewrecker.  Not so much fun when the roles are reversed, eh Abs?

While I would like for Abby's hypocrisy to be thrown in her face without someone being around to quickly defend her actions, I don't think she can be compared to Gwen. Abby tried to get bitchy with Sami after the truth came out (and the town somehow made Sami the freaking villain) but she didn't target EJ to hurt Sami. Gwen is intentionally doing things to cause problems in with Abby's family for.....reasons.

I am far from a fan of Chabby, together or apart, but it seems the writers aren't really fans of theirs either. I get that Gwen needed to put the ball in motion, but it just seems it was too easy for Chad to believe what he wanted to believe about Abby and hurt her. Just hope Gwen didn't take some fertility magic pills and ends up pregnant.

 

There is something off putting about Nicole being concerned for Ava and calling her "friend" while calling for Charlies head. Ava is a rapist and so much more but here is Nicole nagging the woman Ava kidnapped so she could RAPE her husband. Its supposed to be loving and protective but I am just seeing a bitch. Sami needs to come back so Nicole can be sidelined. It doesn't make her look good that she quickly jumped from believing it was blonde haired Tripp to dark haired Charlie. This is why there never should have been more than one person accused. And I fail to see how the same international laws that applied to Tripp, won't apply to Charlie.

So Tripp wants to go behind Charlies back to get a DNA test because Kayla doesn't look at him the same. So why didn't he want to do the DNA test when she first looked at him this way?

[Thatoneshow]

2 hours ago, Peanut6711 said:

Zander is such an idiot! Is he really so dense to not realize that you don't just stop working for the mob that easily? I hope the mob kills him instead. 

While I don't want him dead, I don't understand why he of all people would think this is the end. Phillip has no money, Titan does. The mob wouldn't just stop at killing Phillip, they would come to their doorstep to collect what is owed. Seems he would be the one trying to join with Philip to neutralize the threat instead of sadsack Brady. They can go back to hating each other later.

[CanaryFan98]

2 hours ago, Thatoneshow said:

Even worse, she probably said 'Good morning' before Gwen had her morning coffee.

While I would like for Abby's hypocrisy to be thrown in her face without someone being around to quickly defend her actions, I don't think she can be compared to Gwen. Abby tried to get bitchy with Sami after the truth came out (and the town somehow made Sami the freaking villain) but she didn't target EJ to hurt Sami. Gwen is intentionally doing things to cause problems in with Abby's family for.....reasons.

I am far from a fan of Chabby, together or apart, but it seems the writers aren't really fans of theirs either. I get that Gwen needed to put the ball in motion, but it just seems it was too easy for Chad to believe what he wanted to believe about Abby and hurt her. Just hope Gwen didn't take some fertility magic pills and ends up pregnant.

 

There is something off putting about Nicole being concerned for Ava and calling her "friend" while calling for Charlies head. Ava is a rapist and so much more but here is Nicole nagging the woman Ava kidnapped so she could RAPE her husband. Its supposed to be loving and protective but I am just seeing a bitch. Sami needs to come back so Nicole can be sidelined. It doesn't make her look good that she quickly jumped from believing it was blonde haired Tripp to dark haired Charlie. This is why there never should have been more than one person accused. And I fail to see how the same international laws that applied to Tripp, won't apply to Charlie.

So Tripp wants to go behind Charlies back to get a DNA test because Kayla doesn't look at him the same. So why didn't he want to do the DNA test when she first looked at him this way?

If by writers you mean Ron? Yes he doesn't like them but Ken does which is why Chabby will never be broken up for long (even though it would be best for both characters tbh). I think Ron wanted Stefan/Abby and the rape was a mere inconvenience but the fans wanted Stefan/Gabi and Chad/Abby much to his dismay so he's taking it out on all the characters involved.... 

[FilmTVGeek80]

2 hours ago, Thatoneshow said:

It doesn't make her look good that she quickly jumped from believing it was blonde haired Tripp to dark haired Charlie. This is why there never should have been more than one person accused. And I fail to see how the same international laws that applied to Tripp, won't apply to Charlie.

So Tripp wants to go behind Charlies back to get a DNA test because Kayla doesn't look at him the same. So why didn't he want to do the DNA test when she first looked at him this way?

What does one being blonde and the other having dark hair have to do with it? Nicole, and the other people, who now think it's Charlie didn't really randomly change their minds. I think it helps that Allie's grandfather John took part in the investigation and helped put the pieces together. It helps that Ava was found tied up in Charlie's apartment. It helps that Allie has already expressed feeling uncomfortable around Charlie. It also helps that, drugged up or not, Ava has confirmed that not only is Charlie her son (so his DNA could match Henry's just as much as Tripp's) but said that Charlie confessed to her.

I'm guessing the same laws that applied to Tripp will apply to Charlie. Right now he's just being charged with Ava's kidnapping.

Tripp admitted that he was being stubborn about initially not wanting to take the test because he was mad that Kayla (and possibly Steve) wouldn't believe him without it. He said that he would have given his permission eventually. And, honestly, he probably could have stopped them from reading the results if he wanted to since they had done it behind his back.

 

[Peanut6711]

2 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

For the first time in years Chloe’s not in relationship drama or being harassed by mobsters. She first thing she does is butt into Brady’s relationship w his criminal girlfriend and volunteering to help save Phillip from gangsters. What a Dumb Dumb. 

I feel like there should be a pool going as to who will come after Chloe first--Kristin or Angelo? 🤣

 

2 hours ago, Thatoneshow said:

While I would like for Abby's hypocrisy to be thrown in her face without someone being around to quickly defend her actions, I don't think she can be compared to Gwen. Abby tried to get bitchy with Sami after the truth came out (and the town somehow made Sami the freaking villain) but she didn't target EJ to hurt Sami. Gwen is intentionally doing things to cause problems in with Abby's family for.....reasons.

I am far from a fan of Chabby, together or apart, but it seems the writers aren't really fans of theirs either. I get that Gwen needed to put the ball in motion, but it just seems it was too easy for Chad to believe what he wanted to believe about Abby and hurt her. Just hope Gwen didn't take some fertility magic pills and ends up pregnant.

There is something off putting about Nicole being concerned for Ava and calling her "friend" while calling for Charlies head. Ava is a rapist and so much more but here is Nicole nagging the woman Ava kidnapped so she could RAPE her husband. Its supposed to be loving and protective but I am just seeing a bitch. Sami needs to come back so Nicole can be sidelined. It doesn't make her look good that she quickly jumped from believing it was blonde haired Tripp to dark haired Charlie. This is why there never should have been more than one person accused. And I fail to see how the same international laws that applied to Tripp, won't apply to Charlie.

Agree that Abby didn't set out to target Sami (unlike Gwen to Abs), but it's the fact that she lacked (and probably still does) the self-awareness of her role in it all that I'd love to see it pointed out to her to the point that she finally has an epiphany that she was a homewrecker just the same as Gwen because after a certain point she didn't care about the damage she was causing to not just Sami but Sami and EJ's kids.  I guess you could call her depraved indifference (lacking regard of others) homewreckery rather than first degree (premeditated) homewreckery. 😄

Also agree that Nicole needed put in her place today too. It's as if she has nothing better to do these days than to stick her nose in business that she is barely peripheral to.  But I do think the legal circumstances are a bit different with Charlie and Tripp should his confession to Ava stand up in court or he makes (albeit probably accidentally) a confession to Rafe or someone else. In addition, there's those new kidnapping charges w/Ava too. Those are going to be tougher for him to get out of.  Can't wait till Claire realizes that Ava was there and tied up when she wanted to have a little Christmas sexy time. I expect her to recall at some point that thud she heard when Ava kicked over the trash can. 

2 hours ago, Thatoneshow said:

While I don't want him dead, I don't understand why he of all people would think this is the end. Phillip has no money, Titan does. The mob wouldn't just stop at killing Phillip, they would come to their doorstep to collect what is owed. Seems he would be the one trying to join with Philip to neutralize the threat instead of sadsack Brady. They can go back to hating each other later.

This is exactly why I'd like to see him as a causality in the mob mess. He's so self-centered that he also lacks self awareness. Plus his toxic masculinity attitude is obnoxious. 

[Retired at last]

I don't even watch anymore - just read summaries, because there are no characters left that I even kind of like. I know that Nicole seems to be a fan favorite, although I never understood why, but they have just made her into another cartoon. Barging into interrogation rooms, insisting that she be informed of what kind of poison was in Ava's system, etc. And now she is getting Allie all riled up again to go after Charlie. She needs to stay the heck in her own lane and wait for Eric to come home (or not). It is annoying just reading about her. Julie already has that job. (With Maggie behind her.)

[WendyCR72]

4 hours ago, Thatoneshow said:

While I don't want him dead, I don't understand why he of all people would think this is the end. Phillip has no money, Titan does. The mob wouldn't just stop at killing Phillip, they would come to their doorstep to collect what is owed. Seems he would be the one trying to join with Philip to neutralize the threat instead of sadsack Brady. They can go back to hating each other later.

Xander is not being smart here, but let us remember if Phillip wasn't being a greedy scumbag and getting into this in the first place with Ava Vitali, there would be no ball TO set in motion here. So if Xander must face consequences, let Phillip die, too.

This IS his fault, too. (Hey, he brought Ava back to town, so I have no use for Phil these days. LOL!)

[Frozendiva]

Tripp, it really wasn't a good idea to break in to Charlie's home and take some DNA evidence with you. And a worse idea to knock out your dad, who was looking for you. And a third bad idea to forget your phone and have to go back for it. And, for the final and, to have Charlie come back home. Hello.

Nicole, butt out of the police investigation. Let Rafe and probably Shawn do their work. Get the court-ordered DNA sample, etc. Stay home and don't get involved. You have zero business being at the police station.

I did appreciate Kayla saying she owes Tripp a massive apology if the DNA test proves Charlie is Allie's baby daddy. No, it is not a legal test.

Xander, you should not have touched the shell company. He underthought a bit in that the mob wouldn't notice it. Maybe just create another shell company. Maybe he would want Angelo Vitali killing off Philip.

Why do Chloe and Brady have to have a meeting in a hotel room? Friends or not, it was a bit unprofessional. Realistically, Brady will wait for Kristen?

Claire, you just picked the wrong guy and didn't ask a lot of questions of him. He could fool almost anyone.

Edited January 16, 2021 by Frozendiva

[enchantingmonkey]

10 hours ago, Peanut6711 said:

Zander is such an idiot! Is he really so dense to not realize that you don't just stop working for the mob that easily? I hope the mob kills him instead. 

The degree to which Xander is being so smug about all of this has me rooting for it to blow up in his face in one way or another.  I won't even be too upset if Philip does something rotten to Sarah.  

Isabel Durant's crying voice didn't help me to feel any empathy for Claire's realization at how much life can suck.  

Wait, did SanctimoniousNicole say a bunch of people want to kill Charlie for what he did to Allie?  Is Charlie going to become a Who-Dun-It?  

I really wish Charlie had enough knowledge about Nicole to tell her to climb down off of her high horse.  Sheesh.  

Loved Charlie stone-faced lying to Rafe.  Hated that Rafe was able to outsmart him.  I guess the Salem PD has to score a point every now again.  Law of Probability, and all.

Poor Kayla.  This DNA debacle isn't her fault.  It's so much easier to blame Plot-Point-Writing.  

Yes, Tripp and Charlie finally come face to face!  

[Frozendiva]

I forgot to mention that I noticed Rafe’s new facial hair.

Wanting to kill your rapist is normal. Going through with it, another. Many women and men do not get justice.

[kitmerlot1213]

I'm really starting to hate this busybody version of Nicole and I massively hate that she went from wanting to lynch Tripp to making death threats to Charlie in a blink of an eye and without even a hint of an apology to Tripp.  She's the worst and she and her niece Ally can hang out together being blithering idiots.

Chloe is also annoying me with her continued pointless existence.  Is the entire point of her being on the show is to drive a wedge between Kristen and Brady or is it to drive a wedge between Brady and Phillip? 

I do appreciate Kayla's saying that if it comes out that Charlie is the rapist then she owes Tripp a huge apology--good for her for actually having a soul. 

I can't stand this revisionist history between Tripp and Claire--he had feelings for her way before Ciara roared into town with her chip on her shoulder so this idea that he always preferred Ciara to her is bunk.

Edited January 16, 2021 by kitmerlot1213

[CanaryFan98]

16 hours ago, Retired at last said:

I don't even watch anymore - just read summaries, because there are no characters left that I even kind of like. I know that Nicole seems to be a fan favorite, although I never understood why, but they have just made her into another cartoon. Barging into interrogation rooms, insisting that she be informed of what kind of poison was in Ava's system, etc. And now she is getting Allie all riled up again to go after Charlie. She needs to stay the heck in her own lane and wait for Eric to come home (or not). It is annoying just reading about her. Julie already has that job. (With Maggie behind her.)

I liked Nicole a lot more when she was a snarky schemer but Ari also gave her a vulnerability. When they fleshed Nicole out and delved into her backstory about how her father made her do child porn and molested her she was real to me. That being said that was a long time ago and Nicole has been long ruined since then. I don't hate her but I don't find myself liking most characters these days or caring. I'm glad a lot of the characters I liked over the years are gone.

[Pearson80]

43 minutes ago, CanaryFan98 said:

I liked Nicole a lot more when she was a snarky schemer but Ari also gave her a vulnerability. When they fleshed Nicole out and delved into her backstory about how her father made her do child porn and molested her she was real to me. That being said that was a long time ago and Nicole has been long ruined since then. I don't hate her but I don't find myself liking most characters these days or caring. I'm glad a lot of the characters I liked over the years are gone.

I always felt Nicole's backstory was a replay of Billie's own backstory with her father Curtis.. Billie's had more depth and then you add in the Kate factor.. Deborah Adair's Kate realizing that Austin and Billie were her babies was a beautiful story.  Early Billie written by Sherry Anderson was awesome, her bond with Austin, her struggles with addiction and her friendship with Carrie made her a sympathetic heroine, then JER had to ruin her by making her become obsessed with Bo..

[FrankOFoley]

I’m a couple days behind but I just want to say that I’m really enjoying DOOL these days, even with the retread of the missing babies. I find the acting better than usual. They seem to be putting a lot into their roles. And, Cady McClain makes me believe in Jennifer whereas I always felt that MR was like overcooked pasta—it’s there but you don’t really want it. Also, Tamara Braun and Mike Manning are superb. That is all.

[Silver Raven]

Uhoh.  Nicole said the "kill" word.  Is Charlie going to be murdered?

"You know Tripp, that guy who almost killed you?  He could never hurt a woman."

Whose kid's clothes was Chloe folding? And why did she have them in Brady's hotel room?

 

[BuckeyeLou]

37 minutes ago, Silver Raven said:

Uhoh.  Nicole said the "kill" word.  Is Charlie going to be murdered?

"You know Tripp, that guy who almost killed you?  He could never hurt a woman."

Whose kid's clothes was Chloe folding? And why did she have them in Brady's hotel room?

 

I wondered about the baby clothes too!  I thought maybe she was folding Rachel's clothes to help out Brady, but wouldnt there be a Nanny or Housekeeper to do that sort of thing?

[Silver Raven]

38 minutes ago, BuckeyeLou said:

I wondered about the baby clothes too!  I thought maybe she was folding Rachel's clothes to help out Brady, but wouldnt there be a Nanny or Housekeeper to do that sort of thing?

Not in a hotel.

[CanaryFan98]

3 hours ago, Pearson80 said:

I always felt Nicole's backstory was a replay of Billie's own backstory with her father Curtis.. Billie's had more depth and then you add in the Kate factor.. Deborah Adair's Kate realizing that Austin and Billie were her babies was a beautiful story.  Early Billie written by Sherry Anderson was awesome, her bond with Austin, her struggles with addiction and her friendship with Carrie made her a sympathetic heroine, then JER had to ruin her by making her become obsessed with Bo..

I think they were all replays of Steve/Adrienne the originals. Where you had the protective  brother who hated their abusive father and tried to escape him(Steve/Austin/Brandon) and the sister who was sexually exploited/abused by their father that was broken on the inside (Adrienne/Billie/Nicole) who had abusive fathers who deserved to die (Duke/Curtis/Paul Mendez). 

Course they made Abe Brandon's father, Ben/Jordan had a similar dynamic but Jordan was Clyde's stepdaughter and they were both turned into crazy people in the end. 

Yeah I liked Billie early on back when soaps could write complex heroines now they don't even bother. However I stopped caring about her when they did make her fixated on Bo. Although I didn't mind her when she and Nick hooked up.

Edited January 16, 2021 by CanaryFan98

[peachmangosteen]

3 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

"You know Tripp, that guy who almost killed you?  He could never hurt a woman."

Thank you.

I howled at Chloe folding baby clothes. They had to have been Rachel's. So, Chloe was in a hotel room folding the clothes of Brady's baby that he never sees because I guess he's just too busy to do it himself. It's hilarious!

[Silver Raven]

5 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

I howled at Chloe folding baby clothes. They had to have been Rachel's. So, Chloe was in a hotel room folding the clothes of Brady's baby that he never sees because I guess he's just too busy to do it himself. It's hilarious!

Did she bring Rachel's clothes from the Mansion, where she lives and apparently has a full time babysitter in her step great-grandmother, so she could fold them at the hotel?

 

[FilmTVGeek80]

12 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

"You know Tripp, that guy who almost killed you?  He could never hurt a woman."

That's not what Steve said. He said he never believed Tripp could hurt a woman like that - meaning rape. Holding a scalpel to someone's neck (and not using it) and holding someone down to rape them are very different.

[Aymery]

16 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

"You know Tripp, that guy who almost killed you?  He could never hurt a woman."

A big leap from Tripp threatening the woman he believed murdered his helpless mother in her hospital bed to force a confession from her, to accusing him of being a rapist. Was there ever an indication he wanted to murder Kayla?

In fact, wasn't Tripp first introduced onscreen getting into a fight with the owner of the diner where he worked because the guy tried to molest a female employee? 

Edited January 17, 2021 by Aymery

[Rafael]

Why must Charlie be Ava's long lost child ? Why ?

Why cant He simply be Angelo Vitale 's son ?

 

Have the TIIC not realised that this "long lost kid " gimmick has completely lost its value ?

Honestly. 

 

 

Edited January 17, 2021 by Rafael

[4evaQuez]

On 1/12/2021 at 7:42 PM, nilyank said:

Lucas found out he was a Horton but he didn't change his name for YEARS. When he finally did change, it was because he was upset with Kate and wanted to have nothing to do with her. It was around the time came back from Mexico intent on breaking up Sami and Lucas' who were going to get married much to Kate's displeasure. It may have been after the twins were born.

On top of this, I always got the feeling they had him change his name to keep the Horton surname on the show. Will's last name magically changed around this time, as well. I want to say Melissa's name changed around this time as Nathan showed up and both their names became Horton. I thought that was the actual reason for the Horton name as change.

[Rafael]

 

3 hours ago, Aymery said:

A big leap from Tripp threatening the woman he believed murdered his helpless mother in her hospital bed to force a confession from her, to accusing him of being a rapist. Was there ever an indication he wanted to murder Kayla?

 

Yes , he tried to smother her in her sleep with a pillow. 

Edited January 17, 2021 by Rafael

[Katy M]

52 minutes ago, Rafael said:

 

Yes , he tried to smother her in her sleep with a pillow. 

How on earth could you possibly take that as an indication of any type of ill will?

[Petunia13]

Nicole is best friends w Ava. Who she knows raped Steve. And Nicole destroyed the evidence of Eric being raped which allowed his sex offender to walk. But when it comes Ally she’s now the self appointed advocate for rape justice and patting herself on the back. 

[DaphneCat]

4 minutes ago, Petunia13 said:

Nicole is best friends w Ava. Who she knows raped Steve. And Nicole destroyed the evidence of Eric being raped which allowed his sex offender to walk. But when it comes Ally she’s now the self appointed advocate for rape justice and patting herself on the back. 

Everybody knows it isn't really important if the rape victim is a man.  Only women can be too drunk to give consent (Jack, Chad).  Even if a man was drugged (Eric) or forced (Steve) is it REALLY so bad?

[CanaryFan98]

1 hour ago, DaphneCat said:

Everybody knows it isn't really important if the rape victim is a man.  Only women can be too drunk to give consent (Jack, Chad).  Even if a man was drugged (Eric) or forced (Steve) is it REALLY so bad?

You forgot JJ who was also too drunk he didn't even know it was Lani at the time. Yet Lani rolled back into town showing pics to Gabi of her and JJ. They showed a flashback of JJ not knowing it was Lani and she took pics of him passed out on the bed. I can only imagine the reaction if the roles were reversed.

[DaphneCat]

2 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

You forgot JJ who was also too drunk he didn't even know it was Lani at the time. Yet Lani rolled back into town showing pics to Gabi of her and JJ. They showed a flashback of JJ not knowing it was Lani and she took pics of him passed out on the bed. I can only imagine the reaction if the roles were reversed.

You're right, I DID forget this one (probably blocked it out more likely.)  If someone doesn't even know who you are, how can you possibly think it's OK to have sex with them?  And, SHE'S supposed to be looked at as some kind of heroine.

[ByaNose]

Seriously what is it with KJL face? Botox? Botched face lift? Acting tic? Did he look like this in his first Days run? I can barely look at him sometimes. 

[WendyCR72]

11 hours ago, DaphneCat said:

Everybody knows it isn't really important if the rape victim is a man.  Only women can be too drunk to give consent (Jack, Chad).  Even if a man was drugged (Eric) or forced (Steve) is it REALLY so bad?

I think the soap press even made this line of thinking worse as, years ago, the character of Jax was raped on GH and soap journalist Michael Logan was insisting that men cannot be raped. I remember many even THEN were appalled by that line of (non-)thinking.

[peachmangosteen]

It's not like it's much better when it's female characters that are raped. Soaps just need to stop doing rape stories, particularly Ron as he has a very unsettling obsession with it and he also clearly does not understand what rape even is.

[norcalgal]

9 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I think the soap press even made this line of thinking worse as, years ago, the character of Jax was raped on GH and soap journalist Michael Logan was insisting that men cannot be raped. I remember many even THEN were appalled by that line of (non-)thinking.

Since I haven't watched GH in forever, could you DM me to fill me in on the Jax storyline?  [Jax/Brenda are my all time fave couple but I detested what the show did to them!   😠 😡  "No one leaves"- as if!] 

[4evaQuez]

10 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I think the soap press even made this line of thinking worse as, years ago, the character of Jax was raped on GH and soap journalist Michael Logan was insisting that men cannot be raped. I remember many even THEN were appalled by that line of (non-)thinking.

Carly and Jason laughed at Jax's rape.

[Rafael]

On 1/15/2021 at 11:38 PM, Thatoneshow said:

While I don't want him dead, I don't understand why he of all people would think this is the end. Phillip has no money, Titan does. The mob wouldn't just stop at killing Phillip, they would come to their doorstep to collect what is owed. Seems he would be the one trying to join with Philip to neutralize the threat instead of sadsack Brady. They can go back to hating each other later.

Again !!! 

 

Philip should have just called Billie ,who is an ISA agent . The ISA would have gladly helped Philip , a former ISA agent as well . Why ?because it was stated back in 2008 ,that the Vitales are the most feared mob in the nothern region of USA .  Ofcourse the ISA would be looking forward to nailing them by helping Philip out. 

 

But this is Mo-Ron Carlivati we talking about.

A hack who just expects us to forget character history and just go along with whatever contrieved plot he had just hatched up .

 

On top of that House Kiriakis is a quasi -mob house at this point. Why arent they fighting fire with fire ? Why doesnt Philip perhaps contact Nico ,his dad's main goon during the 90s , for help ? Philip grew up in front of Nico so i imagine Nico could call up other former Kiriakis goons to help him save Philip . 

Xander believing The Vitales will just leave Philip is stupidity as well because Back in 2014 ,it was established that Xander was pretty much handed the reigns of Victor's mob but they largely left the US and operated in Greece and Cyprus .Victor wanted to clean up his image abit so he can be seen as a  respectable citizen of salem by Bo. This was after Bo accused him of being behind the crime wave salem was experiencing back in 2003  .  So Xander should know and understand mob behavioural patterns.

 

 

But its Carlivati , we must just go along with this contrieved nonsense even if it completely dumbs down characters or blatantly ignores character history.

Edited January 18, 2021 by Rafael

[RunningMarket]

Something I've noticed in the past couple of episodes: it seems like the back of a set shows up through an open door in Charlie's apartment. It's the door next to the front door. If I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing, how is someone in production not noticing this?

Also, Xander has gone from cartoony silly "villain" to downright a-hole. He doesn't care about what happens to anyone else (save Sarah), as long as he gets to be CEO of Titan. Is Titan even that prestigious of a company? His motives don't justify the ends.

[Silver Raven]

WHAT is Sarah wearing!?  That long slit up the front with the leg hanging out!?

The "sunlight" in Rafe's office is interesting, but if I were Allie, I'd stand somewhere else because the sun is in her eyes.

 

[WendyCR72]

6 hours ago, norcalgal said:

Since I haven't watched GH in forever, could you DM me to fill me in on the Jax storyline?  [Jax/Brenda are my all time fave couple but I detested what the show did to them!   😠 😡  "No one leaves"- as if!] 

I would if I remembered the specifics! Alas, I don't even recall just WHO raped him, just that he was and Michael Logan dismissed the cries of rape by the viewers. THAT, I remember. And it was gross.

[norcalgal]

51 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

I would if I remembered the specifics! Alas, I don't even recall just WHO raped him, just that he was and Michael Logan dismissed the cries of rape by the viewers. THAT, I remember. And it was gross.

Thanks. Also, I should amend my original post to say Jax/Brenda were my fave GH couple, not favorite couple - period. That honor belongs (belonged?) to Jack & Jen but Im just sooooo disgusted and disheartened by the many dumbass storylines for this couple over the decades. 
For fave unconventional “couple” hands down my fave EVER on any soap is Carly/Lawrence. 

[peachmangosteen]

2 hours ago, RunningMarket said:

Something I've noticed in the past couple of episodes: it seems like the back of a set shows up through an open door in Charlie's apartment. It's the door next to the front door. If I'm seeing what I think I'm seeing, how is someone in production not noticing this?

I think that's just like another room/hallway in his apartment. I believe it's where he put Ava when Claire came.

Tripp being all 'grr you raped Allie and kidnapped my mom you suck' to 'aw wow your childhood sucked sorry' and then back to 'grr' was cracking me up. And once again Mike Manning is just really compelling to me. This whole 'my mom doesn't love me and that's why I do bad things' shit is really tired but he makes it work imo. 

I liked the Brady/Chloe/Phillip scenes even though they were equal parts stupid and offensive. The actors are good together.

I skipped the Xander/Sarah scenes until Rafe showed up. I just really can't take Sarah's personality. And they just grate so much together for me.

I really wish the Allie actress was better.

[RunningMarket]

44 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

I think that's just like another room/hallway in his apartment. I believe it's where he put Ava when Claire came.

It's like plywood slats nailed together. So perhaps it's Charlie's décor, but I swear it's laziness on the part of production. 😄

[CanaryFan98]

2 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

I would if I remembered the specifics! Alas, I don't even recall just WHO raped him, just that he was and Michael Logan dismissed the cries of rape by the viewers. THAT, I remember. And it was gross.

Irina a former lover of Jerry's(Jax's brother) she raped him twice the only reason I recall this is because my mom was still alive at the time watching Carly berate him over this saying he cheated on her. She was really irritated at Carly's reaction because Jax was raped and this was around the time she cheated on Sonny in a limo I think.  At this point I gave up on GH but she still watched till she passed. 

I didn't know this about ML but its not surprising that male rape tends to be dismissed look at how Eric's rape wasn't really about Eric but more about how Brady was betrayed and most people were incredibly dismissive over the whole thing.  Rape in general is terribly written on soaps the only times they aren't is when the rapist isn't a fan favorite or a regular cast member.  If soaps are going to write rape at this point let it be a dayplayer.

[Peanut6711]

5 hours ago, RunningMarket said:

Also, Xander has gone from cartoony silly "villain" to downright a-hole. He doesn't care about what happens to anyone else (save Sarah), as long as he gets to be CEO of Titan. Is Titan even that prestigious of a company? His motives don't justify the ends.

This! He grates the living daylights out of me. He's far too misogynists and self-involved for me to take him serious as a leading man and as part of a real couple. And Sara gets dumbed down when she's with him. I had to keep reminding myself today that she went to medical school because some of the stuff she rolled off with did not sound like someone who has been educated. 

[kitmerlot1213]

Sarah kind of freaks me out--she veers from the over the top cutesy baby talk (being proud that she and Xander fooled Phillip) to being the mature voice of reason (not wanting Phillip horribly murdered by the mob) and I also appreciated that she not only mentioned how difficult a time Victor was having in dealing with not only Ciara's death but also Bo's.

I did like Tripp's compassion towards Charlie when he realized he had an awful childhood as well but Charlie seems determined to brazen it all out.  Does he truly think he has Claire completely on his side that she'll go against her entire family to support him?

[FilmTVGeek80]

4 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

Tripp being all 'grr you raped Allie and kidnapped my mom you suck' to 'aw wow your childhood sucked sorry' and then back to 'grr' was cracking me up. And once again Mike Manning is just really compelling to me. This whole 'my mom doesn't love me and that's why I do bad things' shit is really tired but he makes it work imo. 

I found those Tripp/Charlie scenes really interesting. I actually loved that about Tripp. It shows he has a lot more humanity than Charlie does. It's possible Tripp was just trying to work him towards the end, pretending to have sympathy for him to get Charlie to be willing to confess, but I think he was actually sincere. I think he was rightly pissed at Charlie and didn't plan on feeling anything for him, but once Charlie started confiding in him, it changed a little. Like he said, he could relate and feel some empathy. Because of how he grew up, I think family really does mean a lot to Tripp, so I think he meant it that he'd stand by Charlie if he did the right thing and confessed. Once Charlie turned hostile again, it made sense his thinking switched to "bad childhood or not, my sympathy only goes so far and I'm not letting you take me down for something you did." 

Mike Manning is compelling, but Charlie's angst is kind of pathetic. It sucks that his mom didn't give him any love, but to think that is an excuse for most of what he's done (maybe save kidnapping Ava) and that he blame Tripp is just weak. My sympathy only goes so far.

Edited January 19, 2021 by FilmTVGeek80

[Silver Raven]

I'm wondering if Charlie is a child of rape, and that's why Ava keeps him at arm's length.

 

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18 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I found those Tripp/Charlie scenes really interesting. I actually loved that about Tripp. It shows he has a lot more humanity than Charlie does. It's possible Tripp was just trying to work him towards the end, pretending to have sympathy for him to get Charlie to be willing to confess, but I think he was actually sincere. I think he was rightly pissed at Charlie and didn't plan on feeling anything for him, but once Charlie started confiding in him, it changed a little. Like he said, he could relate and feel some empathy. Because of how he grew up, I think family really does mean a lot to Tripp, so I think he meant it that he'd stand by Charlie if he did the right thing and confessed. Once Charlie turned hostile again, it made sense his thinking switched to "bad childhood or not, my sympathy only goes so far and I'm not letting you take me down for something you did." 

 

I thought it was an interesting to note the parallel of Steve realizing that Jack was his brother but he also was the man that raped Kayla. Tripp has to walk the tightrope of reaching this newfound brother whom he could relate to on one level but also knowing what Charlie did was really reprehensible.

[Frozendiva]

The weird lighting giving Allie the orange sun streaks was distracting. Funny that Nicole got none of it and she was also in the sun. The blinds weren't really open all that much. Move away from the blind and at least pretend to squint. Yeah, Rafe, you can suggest hypnosis and yes, hypnosis did help Ben Weston learn that he did not kill Ciara. However, Allie is in an angry, yet fragile state.

Allie loves Henry *now*? What does she expect Charlie to do if indeed he did sire Henry? Pay support? Share custody? Visit the kid in jail if that happens to him for kidnapping his mom?

I thought Tripp and Charlie would be more adversarial and more angry with each other. Tripp showed a maturity as someone who also had a rough childhood, being in foster care, being abused by his foster parents. He didn't even know his parents. However, he did have some bad things he did but learned from them and grew up and is turning in to hopefully a decent dude. He could understand that Ava did not love her son Charlie. Yes, admit what you did and deal with the consequences. Charlie then went hostile and you can only do so much for someone. This is what your plate is like and you have to deal with it.

The actress playing Ava is not wearing a lot of makeup and she still shines. Letting Steve know that she sent Charlie to watch Tripp, to learn about him. Funny that Tripp never felt anyone watching him. As someone who has had stalkers, you really do sense that someone is watching you. She admitted that she sent Charlie to London to follow Tripp.

Xander? Great idea to delete the shell company. The mob just doesn't stop. Sarah's outfit was odd for where she was. Don't people dress normally these days?

No, Brady, a man who has a mob hit on him can't stay in your hotel room along with your baby. And staying at Chloe's is not the best idea. Surely he can hide at the hideout hotel or the Horton cabin.