Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[JBC344]

7 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

I'm not sure how they expect us to take it but if they really do think that we should be rooting for Kristen then I just, wow. Oh who am I fucking kidding, they expect us to love Ben for fuck's sake! They're complete idiots.

This is when I realized that they want us to see Gabi as evil and for us to root for anyone against her. And I'm not here for it.

But I'm pretty sure it looked just like all the other actual flashbacks of the past year that they've done. And they've been making the flashbacks to the stuff we actually saw air on the show in a different color scheme so if that Brady/Kristen/Haley/baby scene was supposed to be a fantasy sequence then they should have made it look different. This has made realize that now they can show 'flashbacks' but then if they decide to go a different way they can later just claim they were 'fantasy sequences.' Fucking hell!

That would have made this story 1000 times more interesting.

My understanding is that the flashbacks will have a time notation; six months, three months, etc. I don't believe that the Brady/Kristen scene had a time stamp. 

5 hours ago, Katy M said:

Because Chad is the son/child that Stefano spent the least time with?  Less is more where Dimeras are concerned.  Wait, Stefano didn't even know Stefan did he?  He should be the favorite.  I don't think I can even name all of his children.  The internet might run out of space if I attempted it.

Tony, Andre, Renee, Lexie, Megan, Benjy, Peter, Kristen, Stefan, and Chad.

Everyone knows that Lexie was always Stefano's favorite. 

[peachmangosteen]

1 minute ago, JBC344 said:

My understanding is that the flashbacks will have a time notation; six months, three months, etc. I don't believe that the Brady/Kristen scene had a time stamp. 

Good point. It still deeply annoys me that they gave it the same look as the flashbacks, especially since today Ben had his little fantasy and it looked different than the flashbacks. 

[msrachelj]

Has Ciara been hitting the tanning bed hard? Her skin tone looks at least 3 shades darker than when we first met her. 

[DanaMB]

Hope’s right eyebrow is becoming its own character. She moves it constantly. 

And what’s with Ciara’s Jersey Shore tan?

Edited December 11, 2019 by DanaMB

[Petunia13]

No @DaphneCat I clocked it and it was misogynistic. 

[CanaryFan98]

4 hours ago, BuckeyeLou said:

I am a Kayla&Patch fan, but I have to admit that Kayla & Justin's dinner scene today was sweet...they seem comfortable together & Justin had a point when he said they "could not live on Memories".   Meanwhile, why is Abby wearing such un-attractive, baggy clothes? And her hair is terrible.  Does "Steverino" know that Kayla has moved in with Justin? 

I think it helps that they aren't making Jayla into this "great love" they are just two middle aged adults who found something in the other after losing their great loves. It would've been nice with a competent writer to have seen this build to this point. 

[Retired at last]

Yes, @msrachelj, Ciara definitely looks different. Her face is darker and rounder and I hope she didn't have work done - she is too young, but she definitely has a much fuller face now. I haven't noticed if the rest of her is also a little bigger, but it's just different.

[CanaryFan98]

I think its pretty obvious why Marlena is giving the results because Kayla finally has a life outside the hospital...

[TenaciousWarrior]

I liked Marlena today. She works as a supportive friend and compassionate doctor and parent. I like this version of her instead of the damsel in distress.

[IWantCandy71]

20 hours ago, boes said:

Fabulous post!  You explained it all much better than I've ever been able to do.  He reminds me of Elvira Gulch, wanting to take Dorothy's dog away in the Wizard of Oz.  You just WANT Toto to go and bite her leg again.  

Show would have benefited from a laugh track today, but then maybe the laughter would have caused me to miss Kristen's "I am psycho, hear me roar" speech.  When she said she was going back to Salem to take back her life, I wonder if she meant the 25-to-life jail sentence that she's VERY entitled to.  Interesting to see her and Lani go from whack-ass crazy pious church ladies to ripping off their veils and tossing them on the chapel floor with attitude, as if the nuns had kept them there against their will.   Do you think Show really wants us to see Kristen as some tragic heroine who is regaining her strength to claim the happiness she deserves?

I'm hoping she tries to fly from the balcony like Jenn did, and lands SPLAT on Lani.  I'm sentimental that way.

I haven't a clue what Show is doing with Kate, not a clue.  She supposedly loves Chad like a son, but she couldn't wait to run over and tattle on him to his NotDaddy Stefan aka Patches.  I don't buy for one micro-second that Steve Johnson is now inhabited by Stefano Dimera, not even a little bit.  That's just Steve with a better haircut.

I can believe that Kate would betray Chad, though, since Chad has become as insufferable an ass as his wife.  I always liked Billy Flynn's Chad but that feeling has passed.  He seems to have settled on "asshole" for his interpretation of the character and he's really good at it.  Ugh.

I so wish Gina Hope had tossed Abigail off that balcony.  And then, every day, Gina Hope brings another person up to that balcony and tosses them off, too.  It could become her thing......

Thank you !  I love Greg Vaughn, and if he could just stand there and glower and not speak, I could watch that all day. LOL But no likey whiney Eric. Not a bit.

I agree with everything else, and I am calling Gina/Hope "Hina" because why not ? I wanted her to shove Abby, too ! Who else was screaming "DO. IT !" LOL Meeeee !

I was also wanting JJ to do it-meaning to shoot Kristen. When she had those crazy eyes, talking about rising from the ashes-not a court in the land would care if he would've shot her. Justifiable homicide, that.

I will say, if RC is trying to do campy fun (and I think he is), it's wonderful. I just don't know how seriously you can take the less campy stuff on a show like this, though. But then, Days has always veered towards a parody of soaps at different periods. I enjoy it, as long as it doesn't get too crazy.

 I LIKE Chad like this, because I was always more a Chad/Gabi fan, and I think the scene yesterday was definitely played to show that there is still some attraction there between them. The meaner, more ruthless version of Chad is more interesting, and a good match for Gabi as she is now, I think. Plus I do think they reminded the audience of Kate/Gabi disliking each other, for a reason. Not sure if that means a revisit of Chad/Gabi, but I wouldn't rule it out.

[CanaryFan98]

Chad/Gabi I definitely think it will happen if it doesn't that will be the surprise

Spoiler

Because BF is on contract. Kate is recurring and possibly left already. Eli will reunite with Lani and the other guys are in other storylines. JJ is being written off the show and even if he were still here they wouldn't revisit that ever again either. So Chad is the only guy left.... works for me I can FF them.

[IWantCandy71]

20 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

All you need is a raincoat to become a greasy Columbo.

No.  Columbo was smart, in fact, as one of the murderers said to him "I believe your IQ is probably quite high". Columbo was not only smart, he didn't let people know just how bright and observant he was.

That ain't Abby. 

Now, she could be Columbo's long lost relative, "Dumbo". That'd fit.

[Petunia13]

JJ was in “Italy” and they do trial by judge for manslaughter and murder, he’d probably would have been shit fucked. 

And yes I think Marlena, a psychiatrist, was very inappropriate giving her diagnosis Mickey has no chance and I’m fine being alone in that opinion. 

[Irlandesa]

4 hours ago, buffynut said:

I keep wondering why Marlena, who must be close to 70 now, is still working.

I'm guessing she does it because she liked it.  And she probably is at the point in her career where she can set her own hours.  She can schedule 10 hours a week to work with patients, 10 hours a week to work with people she's too close to and probably shouldn't and the rest of the time she can play kissy face with John.

She shouldn't be giving this diagnosis.

[DaphneCat]

34 minutes ago, Petunia13 said:

And yes I think Marlena, a psychiatrist, was very inappropriate giving her diagnosis Mickey has no chance and I’m fine being alone in that opinion. 

Nope, you're not alone.  Given that pretty much no one walks around with results in file folders these days, why couldn't Sarah have just logged in and looked up the results herself - surely as a doctor she would have access to her daughter's results?

Maybe I'm just prejudiced against Marlena because I thought she was being a total bitch today when she was using HER power against Sarah to promote Eric vs. Xander.

[Skarzero]

22 hours ago, boes said:

Kristen's "I am psycho, hear me roar" speech.  When she said she was going back to Salem to take back her life, I wonder if she meant the 25-to-life jail sentence that she's VERY entitled to.  Interesting to see her and Lani go from whack-ass crazy pious church ladies to ripping off their veils and tossing them on the chapel floor with attitude, as if the nuns had kept them there against their will.   Do you think Show really wants us to see Kristen as some tragic heroine who is regaining her strength to claim the happiness she deserves?

I would say no but then again Ron wanted us to root for Ben and Abitchgail so.... yeah probably lmao 

10 hours ago, Sidney said:

Being a little arrogant aren't we, Chad? What makes you think you're  Stefano's favorite son? lol

I'm surprised his head didn't blow up in cartoon like fashion b/c that was cartoonishly hilarious. I half expected EJ to materialize to slap him in the face before vanishing again. XD

21 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

Lani and Kristen remind me of a Wallmart Great Value version of Bey and Gaga at the end of Telephone

LOL! I was personally thinking more Dollar Tree version but Wal-mart works too 👍 

11 hours ago, Katy M said:

At least they didn't tear off more clothes and have sex on the chapel floor and have nuns walk in on them.

  

Why put that image in my head???? lmfao!!!! Do you have ptsd from typing this??? OMG.......

11 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

This is when I realized that they want us to see Gabi as evil and for us to root for anyone against her. And I'm not here for it.

Preach!! I'm not here for it either!! 

[IWantCandy71]

1 hour ago, Petunia13 said:

JJ was in “Italy” and they do trial by judge for manslaughter and murder, 

I forgot where they were. And yeah her being a DiMera, and "Stefano" being alive, yeah I guess JJ would be toast.

I like JJ. Even bed head drug head JJ. I used to love his Jennifer hate when he was first SORAS'd.  I miss those days, and I thought Ron was going back there and having JJ have a hate on for his mom again. Got too happy but I don't think it'll last.

[tribeca]

5 hours ago, buffynut said:

I keep wondering why Marlena, who must be close to 70 now, is still working. 😉

They go out to eat every meal.  Not enough social security for that. 

[boes]

3 hours ago, IWantCandy71 said:

I forgot where they were. And yeah her being a DiMera, and "Stefano" being alive, yeah I guess JJ would be toast.

I like JJ. Even bed head drug head JJ. I used to love his Jennifer hate when he was first SORAS'd.  I miss those days, and I thought Ron was going back there and having JJ have a hate on for his mom again. Got too happy but I don't think it'll last.

Ahhh, good times, those were good times, when JJ was seeing Jenn for who she really was, during her Dr. Tan the Dan man times.  If course it couldn't last, but it was nice....

I generally like Marlena but lately, between that owl hoot laugh of hers and the constant vacant, non-blinking stares, coupled with that zoned out valium smile I sorta hope someone would give her a wedgie and shake her the fuck awake.

Why was she smiling while she told Eyeore and Sarah that their baby was dying?  Did she just get back from Stepford or did Hina (thanks for that one, IWantCandy71) put a pod under her bed?

Edited December 12, 2019 by boes

[Frozendiva]

Surely there is a night doctor to give Eric and Sarah their daughter's diagnosis - and not Dr. Evans - a psychiatrist. Kayla would have given the file and case to whoever comes on after she goes home.

Sad for the baby.

At least Doc will tell Xander what the diagnosis is - he would have access to Uncle Vic's specialists.

Geez, Gina, you had the perfect opportunity to get rid of Abs. And now you are reopening the case. That's kinda suspicious.

How do collect calls work on someone's cell phone?

At least Ben has the lawyer of doom, Justin.

Kayla's condo is very nice and reminds me of Ted's a bit.

Deus ex videotape when DiMera now has the software to determine video tampering?

Chad, both you and Abs should go back to Paris.

[Pearson80]

4 hours ago, TenaciousWarrior said:

I liked Marlena today. She works as a supportive friend and compassionate doctor and parent. I like this version of her instead of the damsel in distress.

Same here, even when she was a damsel in distress, she fought back and hard to survive. The pit storyline was Marlena at her best and Deidre was just absolutely breathtaking, a beautiful woman during that era.

Edited December 12, 2019 by Pearson80

[CanaryFan98]

2 hours ago, IWantCandy71 said:

I forgot where they were. And yeah her being a DiMera, and "Stefano" being alive, yeah I guess JJ would be toast.

I like JJ. Even bed head drug head JJ. I used to love his Jennifer hate when he was first SORAS'd.  I miss those days, and I thought Ron was going back there and having JJ have a hate on for his mom again. Got too happy but I don't think it'll last.

For some reason this show doesn't want the kids to hate their mother for a long period of time the only one that seems to be allowed to do that was Sami with Marlena.

JJ hating Jennifer should've lasted a lot longer beyond him hating her moving onto Daniel. They could've delved into her favoring Abby over him etc, pushing him away because he reminds her too much of Jack... there were a lot of things they could've done with this. It would've made the JJ/Eve affair a lot better too.  Instead they reformed him too quickly and he's been lost ever since.....

Ciara could've easily returned to town in a similar storyline resenting Hope for leaving her behind after Bo died with Shawn/Belle, marrying Aiden which brought Chase into their lives and her rape etc. Instead they didn't bother doing any of that and had her hating Claire for no real reason when she returned and then she got with Ben and went downhill ever since...

Lucas hated Kate for a bit but of course that didn't last because well Kate skates no matter what. 

A lot of storyline potential was lost there's a reason why Sami/Marlena's relationship was so memorable in comparison because the resentment was real and drove story for years...

Edited December 12, 2019 by CanaryFan98

[boes]

2 hours ago, boes said:

Wrong thread

Edited December 12, 2019 by boes

[DisneyBoy]

10 hours ago, boes said:

Except it's Marlena.

I'd rather get my psychiatric care from Mickey D's drive thru window.  At least there's at least a good chance you could get fries with that.

...oh my God....burned by boes! BURNED!

So I'm playing catch-up here....but did Kristen really just tell someone else to stop feeling sorry for themselves? Really..? That's been her MO for the last 25 years!

I just watched the scene where JJ is waving his gun around and shouting and Eli has spouted off some venomous line about how the two ladies have gotten away with destroying lives but now think they're holier-than-thou just because they put some veils on their heads.

...and even though I intensely dislike Lani and this current incarnation of Kristen and find their whole nun storyline incredibly stupid for the very same reasons Eli just pointed out, I still find myself wondering...does Ron really think ugly lines like that make the show enjoyable? I know he's doing everything he can to ring every last possible ounce of drama out of this series before it gets cancelled, and sometimes I do enjoy that, but there's just such an ugliness to the whole scene that I can't get over.

JJ attempted suicide because he accidentally shot Theo, but now he's going to deliberately shoot Kristen in the head, in another country, while she's a nun, all because he's back on drugs? And he really thinks it's going to bring him peace? That makes zero sense. I didn't particularly like the melodrama of JJ contemplating suicide around the holidays when it first happened, but it's part of his character history that he didn't die because Gabi saw him through it and he decided to be a better man and gave up his career on the police force and to help people in a nonviolent way. He's an EMT worker. I don't care how gut-wrenching it was to lose his girlfriend at the hands of the town nut job, I just don't see JJ going to these kinds of extremes...or claiming that he feels it is going to bring him peace. I sincerely doubt that.

Bizarrely, I think I've finally seen a little bit of acting from Sal for the first time since she joined the show what....5 years ago? She actually broke through to JJ by bringing up Theo as a point of comparison, and I would applaud her for finally doing her job, but at this point I'm still incredulous as to how she's kept it all this time.

Truly, truly, I would look the other way if JJ just shot both of them and he and Eli returned to town and acted as if nothing happened, because the whole affair is nonsense. Kristen trying to become a nun is out of the blue stupid, and Lani as we've already said ad nauseam is a complete certifiable moron for not telling anybody about the telephone app that could kill Julie...not even when she's in another country.

Gah! I really need to start doing what some of you guys do and just let the stupid and the crazy roll off my back, because the minute I try to sit down and actually get into the nitty-gritty of a scene, I'm just so angry that anybody behind the scenes would green light it without giving it half as much thought as we do here. It's their show. Don't they care about it being kind of good?

This is a completely separate note: while it's cool to see so many new sets, I feel like none of them have much personality. Whenever I used to watch Another World, I could tell immediately where the characters were based on how the sets were designed, the colour of the walls, the accessories strewn about, the lighting, that kind of stuff. Felicia Gallant's apartment felt like Felicia. Justin's apartment here...I don't know who or what that's supposed to feel like. There just haven't been many sets that were eye-catching in the last few years. Aside from the DiMansion and Kiriakis sets...which others are uniquely distinct? I'd say Julie's new restaurant is very distinct and memorable, and that I also like John and Marlena's townhouse, but aside from that I'm totally drawing a blank. Everything else that has been made is a sort of generic three walls with a door and a table. I realize they don't have a big budget for something opulent, but Gina is literally living in a one-room studio with Steveno. Wouldn't two people need a lot more space than that? If they're going to be the main villains for the next little while, shouldn't they at least have some kind of residence to call their own? And how many bedrooms have Chad and Abigail occupied I didn't seem to reflect either of their personalities in any way?

Details, you know?

Edited December 12, 2019 by DisneyBoy

[Rafael]

On 12/10/2019 at 2:58 AM, SueB said:

Kate, Kate, Kate - you got some ‘splaining to do.  How did you know where Steven-O was at?  And do you hate Kayla that much? 
 

  
 

Why would Kate hate Kayla ? Is it contrieved hate ? 

It would have been better if Steve and Kayla had adopted Philip and Mimi's Bio kid Tyler "Pocket" instead of creating the lame Joey . 

Could have seen Kate and Victor constantly meddling in Steve and Kayla's life as a result of wishing to keep contact with their bio grandson. It would have been an interesting battle for Tyler's soul Which could have paved the way for an Organic Feud between Kayla and Kate. Sigh

Edited December 12, 2019 by Rafael

[Rafael]

10 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

For some reason this show doesn't want the kids to hate their mother for a long period of time the only one that seems to be allowed to do that was Sami with Marlena.

JJ hating Jennifer should've lasted a lot longer beyond him hating her moving onto Daniel. They could've delved into her favoring Abby over him etc, pushing him away because he reminds her too much of Jack... there were a lot of things they could've done with this. It would've made the JJ/Eve affair a lot better too.  Instead they reformed him too quickly and he's been lost ever since.....

Ciara could've easily returned to town in a similar storyline resenting Hope for leaving her behind after Bo died with Shawn/Belle, marrying Aiden which brought Chase into their lives and her rape etc. Instead they didn't bother doing any of that and had her hating Claire for no real reason when she returned and then she got with Ben and went downhill ever since...

Lucas hated Kate for a bit but of course that didn't last because well Kate skates no matter what. 

A lot of storyline potential was lost there's a reason why Sami/Marlena's relationship was so memorable in comparison because the resentment was real and drove story for years...

Yeah but nowadays On this show ,its much easier tO hate on your dad .

They dOnt really depict Any offspring hating on mum anymore .the closest we ever got to this scenario was when Paige hated Eve for sleeping with JJ.

Joey hating  Steve , theresa once mentioned that she and Andrew hated Shane , Brady hated John after that whole "John Seducing Kristen debacle " . Sonny hating on Justin for cheating on Adrienne . 

AbBY Hating on jack,who was kidnapped by terrorists and openly worshipping Daniel and using her Own dad's funeral to ship for Daniel and Jennifer. 

Lets not fOrget Dario hating Eduardo,though it sorta does make sense. 

Edited December 12, 2019 by Rafael

[Rafael]

I woUld have preferred if Princess Gina got caught just prior to this time jump. 

Then I would have preferred that Ron revisit Justin and Hope as a pairing.

Yes ,back in 2009 ,they did tease that they could hook up during Bo and Carly's affair . 

Atleast it would have made sense for Justin and HOpe to get together since Hope cannOt function without a man plus Justin did lust after her for a while back in 2009 . Atleast this pairing would have history behind it.

Kayla Being desperate for a man ? Being desperate for some Justin lovin ? Hell No !!  I The way she has been written doesnt show any hint of being desperate to hooK up with other guys especially Justin of all people  . This Justin /Kayla nonsense does not work. They only have friendship chemistry.  

Edited December 12, 2019 by Rafael

[Retired at last]

Maybe Kate hates Kayla because she was ready to call her dead and give her heart to Julie?

[domina89]

20 hours ago, JBC344 said:

Tony, Andre, Renee, Lexie, Megan, Benjy, Peter, Kristen, Stefan, and Chad.

Everyone knows that Lexie was always Stefano's favorite. 

Did EJ get disowned or something?  😉

[Katy M]

43 minutes ago, domina89 said:

Did EJ get disowned or something?  😉

See. It's impossible to remember them all.  I know Peter and Kristen aren't biological, but if the rest of them are, that's 9 kids.  Most, if not all, from different mothers.  Dude got around.

[BuckeyeLou]

Wally Kurth did a great job today in a powerful scene with Will.  It was very emotional & I really felt for both Justin & Will, and when he said that he still thought of Will as a Son, it really made me teary-eyed.  And again, Justin & Kayla bonding & supporting each other really hit home.  On the other hand, I am sick of Eric's glowering face, and how awful of him to swat Nicole away & act like he didn't care about her(thought she was the 'love of his life"), ugh.  Paul Telfer(Xander) plays the wounded, vulnerable guy so good...I was really feeling for him & glad Maggie was supporting him.

[YupItsMe]

20 hours ago, CanaryFan98 said:

I think its pretty obvious why Marlena is giving the results because Kayla finally has a life outside the hospital...

That’s what I thought too, but probably also because Marlene is Eric’s mom.

[DaphneCat]

1 hour ago, BuckeyeLou said:

On the other hand, I am sick of Eric's glowering face, and how awful of him to swat Nicole away & act like he didn't care about her(thought she was the 'love of his life"), ugh.  Paul Telfer(Xander) plays the wounded, vulnerable guy so good...I was really feeling for him & glad Maggie was supporting him.

He SAYS the most important thing is Mickey, but somehow HIS FEELINGS are more important.  If he really cared about that baby he'd be grateful for any person who could make her happy - even if he hated them.  But, because he is an ASS, he won't actually put her first.  And yet, we have to hear over and over about what a peachy-keen, wonderful great person Eric is.  Maggie is actually earning back some of the good feeling I had for her before she trashed Theresa, I only wish she had told Eric to his face how petty and childish he was being.

[Silver Raven]

I missed the beginning of the show.  Why was Justin visiting Will?  They were very emotional scenes, both actors did a great job.

Oh, good God, SHUT UP, Eric!

I like Nicole's office door.

[WendyCR72]

Eric is a douche. Getting to the point (and I hate it because I despised Dan, too!) that I wish that Eric had gotten himself killed in his DWI instead of Dan, at this point.

Team Sarah. Team Xander. Team ANYTHING OR ANYONE that will stick it to St. Piousness of Holy Hypocrisy.

[WendyCR72]

I still want a repeat of the whole retcon with Zack (or was it Ciara?) with Bo and Hope, but this time done with Sarah and Xander. I'd LOVE for Mickey to really be Xander's and make Eric's head EXPLODE. If that explosion is literal and takes him out, even better.

[CanaryFan98]

11 hours ago, Rafael said:

Why would Kate hate Kayla ? Is it contrieved hate ? 

It would have been better if Steve and Kayla had adopted Philip and Mimi's Bio kid Tyler "Pocket" instead of creating the lame Joey . 

Could have seen Kate and Victor constantly meddling in Steve and Kayla's life as a result of wishing to keep contact with their bio grandson. It would have been an interesting battle for Tyler's soul Which could have paved the way for an Organic Feud between Kayla and Kate. Sigh

Well Kayla did tell Lucas and Will she was pretty much dead and not going to recover plus she was willing to give her heart away to Julie.  Kate threatened to sue her etc.

It would've been great if this was really about about Phillip/Stephanie (or even Tyler/Pocket) but I don't think I'll ever get that pairing again.

11 hours ago, Rafael said:

Yeah but nowadays On this show ,its much easier tO hate on your dad .

They dOnt really depict Any offspring hating on mum anymore .the closest we ever got to this scenario was when Paige hated Eve for sleeping with JJ.

Joey hating  Steve , theresa once mentioned that she and Andrew hated Shane , Brady hated John after that whole "John Seducing Kristen debacle " . Sonny hating on Justin for cheating on Adrienne . 

AbBY Hating on jack,who was kidnapped by terrorists and openly worshipping Daniel and using her Own dad's funeral to ship for Daniel and Jennifer. 

Lets not fOrget Dario hating Eduardo,though it sorta does make sense. 

Yes and Paige died shortly after see didn't last.  Although had they recasted Paige and kept her she could've gone dark because of the whole thing kind of like Liza did on AMC with Tad/Marian(although she was already at that point more or less). 

Theresa didn't care for Kim either but they never delved into why. However you have a point the show focuses on the kids hating their dad sometimes its warranted and I don't mind it but I like a balance here. Yeah I know too much to ask.

[JBC344]

6 hours ago, domina89 said:

Did EJ get disowned or something?  😉

Lol, you won't believe me but I kept saying EJ in my head but apparently didn't put him down. Yes, Stefano has ten kids. 

[tribeca]

Maggie was excellent today if she would just leave her no good husband. 

[BuckeyeLou]

3 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

I missed the beginning of the show.  Why was Justin visiting Will?  They were very emotional scenes, both actors did a great job.

Oh, good God, SHUT UP, Eric!

I like Nicole's office door.

Justin was visiting the jail to see Ben as he is now Ben's new attorney(Ben's other attorney quit), and he happened to run into Will.    And yes, to Eric shutting up with the anger.

3 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

I missed the beginning of the show.  Why was Justin visiting Will?  They were very emotional scenes, both actors did a great job.

Oh, good God, SHUT UP, Eric!

I like Nicole's office door.

[Frozendiva]

So, Sarah and Eric must have good health insurance or lots of money to get such prompt treatment for the baby. Things are different up here in Canada with healthcare for all and you do have to wait a bit for cancer treatment. Mostly it is very prompt.

Eric, you should be grateful that your friends and family are offering you support - but then it is all about you and your prayers. And your God will look after you because you are St. Eric of the Super Righteous. Xander is the baby's 'daddy' right now in the way that it counts. You should not be steamrolling folks. Nicole, for whatever reason, loves you and you are treating her like dirt. Ugh.

Enjoyed the Will and Justin scenes. All well done.

Kate, get your nose out of Sonny's life. What he does is not your business. Will did not want to see him and he respected that.

Don't know if Kayla also wore the striped hat that was noticeable in her condo with her outfit.

Salem's elves decorated the town and homes quite quickly!

[Irlandesa]

I liked quite a few scenes today which made me wonder what human who understood humanity wrote the ep?  It was unusually loaded with different points of view and no one coming off as too ridiculous. 

Will and Justin were sweet and I loved their scenes.  I am a little worried, though, that the show doesn't know how Will killed Adrienne the longer they go on focusing on the fact that he did.  I fear that when they finally come around at giving us the specifics, Sonny & Justin's desire to stay close to Will won't make a lick of sense.

I liked that Maggie was very much on her daughter's side.  It might not be logical but sometimes family can be like that.  I feel conflicted when people discuss the Eric and Xander situation.  On one hand, it's true that Eric wasn't given the opportunity to be close to his daughter.  But it can also be true that Xander was a good caregiver.  Even if Eric found out right away that Mickey was his daughter, that doesn't mean Xander wouldn't have also been a caregiver if he was living with Sarah. 

We also got Kayla giving Xander Eric's side of things on how he's justifiably (if annoyingly) mad.

I have to admit, Sonny and Evan's kiss looked hot.  Did that air on one of the days the show was preempted?  I think there's one day that I didn't bother watching On Demand.

[YupItsMe]

1 hour ago, Frozendiva said:

So, Sarah and Eric must have good health insurance or lots of money to get such prompt treatment for the baby. Things are different up here in Canada with healthcare for all and you do have to wait a bit for cancer treatment. Mostly it is very prompt.

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Sarah is a doctor. That makes a big difference in the promptness of treatment in real life. Also, Mickey’s illness is very serious and would probably rush things up too.

[CanaryFan98]

2 hours ago, tribeca said:

Maggie was excellent today if she would just leave her no good husband. 

I didn't like her comparing Xander to Mickey its not the same at all. Mickey was a kind and decent man who didn't deliberately keep a kid from her father. Neil was literally a sperm donor.

I like Xander but there's no need to whitewash him either its why I prefer him to Ben but at this rate its well on its way.

[IWantCandy71]

On 12/11/2019 at 11:10 PM, CanaryFan98 said:

For some reason this show doesn't want the kids to hate their mother for a long period of time the only one that seems to be allowed to do that was Sami with Marlena.

JJ hating Jennifer should've lasted a lot longer beyond him hating her moving onto Daniel. They could've delved into her favoring Abby over him etc, pushing him away because he reminds her too much of Jack... there were a lot of things they could've done with this. It would've made the JJ/Eve affair a lot better too.  Instead they reformed him too quickly and he's been lost ever since.....

Ciara could've easily returned to town in a similar storyline resenting Hope for leaving her behind after Bo died with Shawn/Belle, marrying Aiden which brought Chase into their lives and her rape etc. Instead they didn't bother doing any of that and had her hating Claire for no real reason when she returned and then she got with Ben and went downhill ever since...

Lucas hated Kate for a bit but of course that didn't last because well Kate skates no matter what. 

A lot of storyline potential was lost there's a reason why Sami/Marlena's relationship was so memorable in comparison because the resentment was real and drove story for years...

Well, it's not a great mark of a character, I guess. To hate the woman who gave birth to you and/or raised you. I think Sami and Marlena's strife started when Sami was a teen and walked in on her mom and John having sex, so Sami actually had a fairly good reason to have a hate on for Marlena. Her distaste for her mom was reasonable, considering the circumstances. But I think overall, soaps have always wanted their characters to grow beyond bratty teenage angst and forgive their mothers for their mistakes.  More's the pity, because a JJ/Jennifer feud redux would be angsty entertainment.

[IWantCandy71]

31 minutes ago, CanaryFan98 said:

I didn't like her comparing Xander to Mickey its not the same at all. Mickey was a kind and decent man who didn't deliberately keep a kid from her father. Neil was literally a sperm donor.

I like Xander but there's no need to whitewash him either its why I prefer him to Ben but at this rate its well on its way.

No, Mickey just thought Michael was his son for years, and raised him as his own, and finding out the truth, that Mike wasn't his, devastated Mickey. The thing with Xander isn't the same, but I can see Maggie making that comparison, because it's two men loving a kid that isn't their flesh and blood. That, Xander and Mickey have in common. I don't like weepy Xander, and if this is what being with Sarah is going to do to him, end it now, please. I think he can be shady  but have redeeming qualities, and as long as he gets hoisted by his own petard from time to time, I'm okay with that. That crying scene with Kayla was a no go, I cannot take another one like it. It doesn't feel in character. I think the Xander I remember, would still be upset, but would hide it, and would punch someone (or something ) rather than show that kind of emotion in front of someone. Although......I do remember him getting very upset back in the day, with how Victor would reject him. But even then, it was hurt and anger in equal measure, and that is how I see the character. He'd be devastated-but he'd go find someone to beat up to get it out. Not sob into a tissue. 

I loved, loved, loved Wally's performance today. Best part of the show.

[DisneyBoy]

4 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

Kate, get your nose out of Sonny's life. What he does is not your business. Will did not want to see him and he respected that

Sorry but I loved Kate's interference today. She ain't blind and she can see what Sonny's up to. His own widower father is in jail at the same time forgiving Will, while Sonny is making time with some new young thing? Come on now. I love that Kate is so passionate about Will that she would step up and remind Sonny not to throw their marriage away after they nearly spent their lives apart. I was practically fist-bumping her through all of her dialogue.

...especially since all this concern should be coming from Marlena's lips as well. She married them! Of course, Ron has her strictly in Ben's corner as far as cheerleading is concerned...

As much as I root for them, I am so fed up of Eric and Nicole crying. Did they break a mirror 5 years ago? Because I feel like we're all being tortured a little too much here.

I'm sad to say this, but I'm not really enjoying Paul Telfer's performance as the heartbroken Xander. I feel like maybe he's reaching a bit too far. Maybe his talents really are limited to being the sexy, sleazy bad guy.

Edited December 13, 2019 by DisneyBoy

[MsTree]

2 hours ago, IWantCandy71 said:

That crying scene with Kayla was a no go, I cannot take another one like it. It doesn't feel in character. I think the Xander I remember, would still be upset, but would hide it, and would punch someone (or something ) rather than show that kind of emotion in front of someone.

I disagree. I think showing emotion shows a sign of growth. Punching something or someone is violent, and doesn't sync with the "new" Xander who took care of Sarah and her child until Eric banished him from their lives.

[SueB]

I think they skipped a bit between yesterday and today. No scene of Marlena telling Xander, no scene of Justin talking to Ben.  
 

Eric extreme reaction is taking his worst two features (self-righteousness and controlling) and amplifying them.   While he obviously is entitled to his anger, I don’t think he’s putting the child’s best interest at heart.  I find that out of character.  I suspect the ‘you’re shit, Xander’ to be a precursor to him sliding back morally.  
 

I’m glad Kate interfered today.  I think it will backfire.  
 

Loved Justin/Will.  

[IWantCandy71]

4 hours ago, MsTree said:

I disagree. I think showing emotion shows a sign of growth. Punching something or someone is violent, and doesn't sync with the "new" Xander who took care of Sarah and her child until Eric banished him from their lives.

Emotion can be in many forms, though. I don't think Xander choosing to be angry would be regression. If you're told you can't be around a sick baby you helped changed the diapers for, anger isn't an unreasonable response. Sure, it's immature to go hit something, but I'd rather see him hit something, than sit there and bawl. I don't think crying like that in front of Kayla was in character. Crying alone, maybe.